Indian Missiles News & Discussions - May 2017

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby Indranil » 07 Nov 2017 06:17

Future Astra is not based on the Brahmos motor at all. If anything there are lessons learnt from Akash. But the motor and fuel in general is very different.

Meanwhile, Akash NG will most likely be canisterized. The inside of that canister (for testing its short burn motor) measures 367 mm X 367 mm X 4863 mm. There will be a guide rail on the top, and one wing rail each on the two sides. Draw your own conclusions.

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby Rakesh » 07 Nov 2017 06:35

India’s Nirbhay Cruise Missile Ready For ‘Redemption’ Test
https://www.livefistdefence.com/2017/11 ... -test.html

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby shiv » 07 Nov 2017 06:36

ramana wrote:Such low-velocity bombs can get shot down with SAM. Not good idea.

Which low velocity bombs?

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Postby shiv » 07 Nov 2017 06:39

SAAW is AFAICT "Smart Anti Airfield Weapon". It is a self identifying name. I don't think it means anything else. It is meant to crater airfields and stop adversary aircraft from operating effectively

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby JTull » 07 Nov 2017 06:51

@Indranil, of course it will be a different motor. Brahmos NG will likely be 50cm dia while Astra is 17.8cm dia.

Personally I'm not aware of any successful ramjet application by DRDO yet. All I'm saying is if it participates in all new engine being developed for Brahmos NG then it could help other programs. After Meteor, even LREW is moving to ramjet. So logical to start thinking of future Astra development.

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Postby Rakesh » 07 Nov 2017 06:57

https://twitter.com/livefist/status/926672922214666240 --> The SAAW is currently under test on a twin rack, with a quad pylon to be an option too.

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby Singha » 07 Nov 2017 07:30

well are in usual corner - new missile with many fixes and a new engine mated to it.

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby shiv » 07 Nov 2017 07:41

Instead of the usual predictions I see on BRF about what will happen in 20 or 50 years, let me predict what will happen in next day of two and bet on it..

I bet will Nirbhay will work this time...

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby Philip » 07 Nov 2017 09:01

My point was the organisation and management structure and style of the BMos Corp. which led to success beyond just developing an anti-ship missile.The JV Corp. has taken it to greater heights with the variants.Ship,sub,land and shortly air-launched versions.Land and mountain attack versions with a new smaller BMos-NG/L version and BMos-H (hyper) in the works.

The quality of the missile too when compared with BMos.I pointed out some time ago the poor body of NB,shoddy riveting,etc.Hard to understand when most of BMos is also made by Indian pvt. industry.The last failure was supposedly due to sub-std. recycled material used ..
Let's hope that we've turned the project around and learn to network with other successful programmes so that we (DPSUS/Labs) partake in a "success mantra"!

Once perfected and in production,NB,BMos and the glide bombs will give us a superb capability where all 3 could be launched from multiple platforms of the 3 services.

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby sarang » 07 Nov 2017 09:23

Nirbhay test will fail onleee :(( :((

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby Philip » 07 Nov 2017 09:41

Before a play's first night,the author/director is wished "break a leg", for good luck.Never wish him the best.
Sarang has the right attitude!

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby vina » 07 Nov 2017 09:53

JTull wrote:@Indranil, of course it will be a different motor. Brahmos NG will likely be 50cm dia while Astra is 17.8cm dia.

Personally I'm not aware of any successful ramjet application by DRDO yet. All I'm saying is if it participates in all new engine being developed for Brahmos NG then it could help other programs. After Meteor, even LREW is moving to ramjet. So logical to start thinking of future Astra development.

Heard of Akash ?

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby manjgu » 07 Nov 2017 10:39

Phillip... a minor quibble. Is it that Brahmos has critical tech from the Russians ..being the reason for its success? for nirbhay which is a totaly indegenous we are still to master that critical tech?

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby Philip » 07 Nov 2017 11:55

Nein! We have taken the mizzile to undreamed of heights,improved upon it a lot.It was -if you read Dr.P's book,on the shelf,still awaiting a patron to complete the programme. Of course the main key component ,the engine is Russian,but there's much else to the JV that we've brought to the table,and are marching towards hyper-BMos. It is the style of management that delivers results that is the important factor.The BMos JV like any other corporate entity must deliver results,if not the axe falls on the incompetent.This NEVER happms with our DPSUs and their chiefs,boffins,beancounters,etc.,who lead a charmed life in "Never-Never" land.

No idea about the desi engine development. I don't think that a proper search was made for engines from the pvt. sector,allowing it to enter this domain after the US' sanctions which delayed both the LCA and GSLV programmes. That was the moment for throwing open the doors for desi projects to replace firang defence tech en masse. It never percolated down to our industrial base. The simple truth.NB is being developed by the DRDO in toto,BMos by the BMos Corp.,where Ru is a JV partner along with the DRDO.There's big diff. between the two .

PS:Asked before,what chances for a naval Akash,now that ti is canisterised.B-8 has emerged,supposedly a JV but in truth a firang system,

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby Neela » 07 Nov 2017 12:23

Nirbhay has been test-fired.
Let us hope all goes well.

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#BREAKING: @DRDO_India test fires cruise #missile Nirbhay from a defence range off #Odisha coast. (TheNewIndianXpress )
7:14 AM - 7 Nov 2017

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby Ashokk » 07 Nov 2017 12:23

Hemant Kumar Rout‏ @Hemant_TNIE 42 minutes ago

TNIE #BREAKING: @DRDO_India test fires homegrown subsonic cruise #missile Nirbhay from a defence range off #Odisha coast. @NewIndianXpress

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby sum » 07 Nov 2017 12:26

Wish they had announced after the end of test.

The tension is too much to keep waiting

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby nash » 07 Nov 2017 12:32

Almost a hour, any further news ... :roll:

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby Karthik S » 07 Nov 2017 12:33

May be they are testing for max range. Should take few more minutes.

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby suryag » 07 Nov 2017 12:35

no news until now is good news hopefully

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby ashishvikas » 07 Nov 2017 12:36

#Nirbhay launch successful, says a DRDO source

https://twitter.com/akananth/status/927792338713350145

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby shaun » 07 Nov 2017 12:36

Test failed :(

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby nash » 07 Nov 2017 12:37

ashishvikas wrote:#Nirbhay launch successful, says a DRDO source

https://twitter.com/akananth/status/927792338713350145


will wait for official announcement...

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby Karthik S » 07 Nov 2017 12:38

shaun wrote:Test failed :(


Boss, please provide a link.

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby nash » 07 Nov 2017 12:44

Delhi Defence Review‏ @delhidefence 2m2 minutes ago

NEWS: The @DRDO_India developed subsonic Nirbhay ground launched cruise missile was tested earlier this morning at 1030 hrs. More details are awaited. The missile has a strike range of over a 1000 km.

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby Karthik S » 07 Nov 2017 12:46

10:30 is more than 2 hours, wonder what's going on.

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby nash » 07 Nov 2017 12:52

I am afraid of obvious thing, but hope for the best .... :(

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby nash » 07 Nov 2017 12:53

Delhi Defence Review‏ @delhidefence 2m2 minutes ago

BREAKING: Sources indicate that this morning's Nirbhay ground launched cruise missile (GLCM) test by @DRDO_India was a success.

Still not official though

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby Ashokk » 07 Nov 2017 13:01

Anup Sayare‏ @sayareakd

its aint over unless @Hemant_TNIE sings, give us good news #nirbhay missile @DRDO_India :mrgreen:

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby nash » 07 Nov 2017 13:01

Hemant Kumar Rout‏ @Hemant_TNIE 22s23 seconds ago

Nirbhay #missile test successful. It travelled along predesignated flight path and homed in on the target. @DRDO_India @NewIndianXpress

I think we can trust this one.

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby sum » 07 Nov 2017 13:04

Rout sir has spoken.

Its mithai time!!

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby Karthik S » 07 Nov 2017 13:06

Wish it traveled for 1500km :twisted:

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby sum » 07 Nov 2017 13:07

Was the range of test mentioned?

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby nash » 07 Nov 2017 13:07

Karthik S wrote:Wish it traveled for 1500km :twisted:


update after 2 hours so more than 1K is very much possible

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby Karthik S » 07 Nov 2017 13:08

Usual phrase, over 1000 km.

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby rakall » 07 Nov 2017 13:09

https://twitter.com/Hemant_TNIE/status/ ... 6815474688
Nirbhay #missile test successful. It travelled along predesignated flight path and homed in on the target. @DRDO_India @NewIndianXpress

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby nash » 07 Nov 2017 13:10

as per @delhidefence it is over 1K KM

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby sum » 07 Nov 2017 13:11

Big congrats to ADE folks if true (they deserve the praise after only all the brickbats all year long)

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby Karthik S » 07 Nov 2017 13:12

If reports are accurate, need to conduct a test very soon to check for reliability.

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby suryag » 07 Nov 2017 13:20

In a sense the failures were good, because we saw three different root causes being nailed down, imagine if the actuator delay for the fin happened from the production lot, we would have been screwed :(


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