Pakistan forces watch -arms sales, operations, doctrine, etc

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Postby sanjchopra » 22 Jun 2007 04:25

Pak building a new nuclear reactor

Islamabad: Satellite images show that Pakistan is building a new nuclear reactor that can produce weapons-grade plutonium, an American watchdog group said on Friday, warning that it could contribute to an atomic arms race with archrival India.


A picture taken June 3 shows work progressing rapidly on the reactor at the Khushab nuclear site, 170 kilometers southwest of the Pakistani capital, Islamabad, the Institute of Science for International Security said.


The development of the reactor and other nuclear-related activities "imply" that Pakistan has decided to "increase significantly its production of plutonium for nuclear weapons," the Washington-based institute said in a report analyzing the images.


A senior official at the Pakistan Atomic Energy Authority said the country was "extending our infrastructure," but declined to address the details of the report.


“We are a declared nuclear state and we are pursuing our nuclear program for peaceful purposes," said the official, who asked that he not be named because of the sensitivity of the subject. "We are doing it for our national interests," the official added.


Pakistan has stated repeatedly that it will develop its secretive nuclear program and maintain an atomic arsenal to deter India, its more powerful neighbor, despite past leaks of sensitive technology to countries including Iran.


The report, co-authored by former UN inspector David Albright, said Pakistan may have decided to produce more plutonium for lighter warheads for cruise missiles, or to upgrade weapons aimed at Indian cities.


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Postby kit » 22 Jun 2007 09:02

Why dont we put some ideas here as to how you can negate the pakis new found capabilities ?

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Postby kit » 22 Jun 2007 09:07

For starters i would like to have a AA missile that can outrange the AMRAAMs and some pretty good ECCM s along with AESA radars that can fry up the AMRAAMs

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Postby JaiS » 22 Jun 2007 09:21

Dear kit, I like fluorescent colors better, so please use a shade of bright yellow next time. Also, you can post one word per post to really increase your post count, instead of typing a full sentence, every few minutes as a reply to your own posts !

P.S.: What do you mean by pretty good ECCM ?
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Postby JaiS » 23 Jun 2007 07:17

Pakistan mum after sailors disappear in Japan


There was no word from the government here about 11 personnel of the Pakistan Navy who have gone missing while their ships were on a goodwill visit to Japan.

Although the Pakistan embassy in Tokyo said they had 'disappeared' and expressed regrets and the Japanese government confirmed it, officials here, red-faced over the incident, have refused to comment.

'Eleven personnel from the Pakistan Navy have disappeared. It is a very regrettable incident,' Pakistani embassy spokesman Muhammad Abdul Wahid Khan was quoted as saying in media reports Saturday.

'We have asked Japanese authorities to apprehend the people so that we can immediately deport them and so they can face legal action,' Khan added.

The navy realised late on Thursday that the men were missing. The two ships, the PNS Moawin and PNS Babur, left Friday without the sailors at the end of the four-day visit.

A Tokyo police spokesman confirmed that the sailors were missing but put their number at 10.

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Postby rachit gupta » 24 Jun 2007 02:07

I am under the impression that missiles such as the AMRAAM, Sidewinder, TOW II, HARM & Harpoon are very technologically advanced.

If it is indeed the case then all aspects of our armed forces face much higher levels of danger.

We know that the TOW's when used with small teams can decimate an oncoming armoured column.

AMRAAMs are ofcourse very superior AAM's

Harpoons are a very real danger to our warships and the HARM's can inflict heavy damage to the AD network. Gulf War I - the Air Defence Personnel stopped switching on their radars because of this very missile.

Is India equipped to handle all this?

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Postby JCage » 24 Jun 2007 02:39

Yes.

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Postby Jaeger » 25 Jun 2007 16:26

doesn't anybody read the rest of this most excellent site? :evil:

one of the most important rules in defense purchasing is to ensure that your purchases/production follow a predefined path. this path has been drawn out so as to match and account for all current and future threat perceptions. thus we can be sure that IAF planners have mapped out a growth plan that accounts for both PAF and more importantly, PLAAF threats.

if there is an issue, it would be at the 'babu-convincing' stage. there is a superlative article in the IAF section of BR that deals with this stage. kindly take the trouble to read it.

and finally, even if the babu's (as is their wont, nay their birthright) manage to f#$k up the plan, the IAF finds ways to make do.

over and above this, take into account the level of training and the sheer professionalism of the IAF and you will have your answer. 500 AMRAAMs are daunting, but a professional AF will find a way to discount them.

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Postby JaiS » 26 Jun 2007 20:08

Chief of Naval Staff off to Russia

ISLAMABAD: Chief of the Naval Staff Admiral Muhammad Afzal Tahir on Monday left for Russia.

He was seen off at Islamabad International airport by Chief of Staff Vice Admiral Asif Humayun, Dy Chief of Mission Russian Embassy Artem Rudnitsky and Captain (Navy) K L Zadorin, Acting Air & Naval Attaché, and other senior Pakistan Navy officers.

During the visit, Chief of the Naval Staff will hold talks with his counterpart and other senior defence officials and discuss matters of mutual interest.

Chief of Staff, Vice Admiral Asif Humayun would be Acting Chief at the Naval Staff in his absence.

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Postby SRay » 26 Jun 2007 23:53

Sorry to turn this into a humor thread, but the following article on the disappearance (immigration!) of the 10 Pak sailors in Japan, adds the following tidbit:

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/st ... 02,00.html
Kyodo News said the Japan Coast Guard complained that one of the Pakistani ships accidentally discharged water contaminated with oil and sewage, causing a 2km spill that was cleaned up.

mhmm... we always knew they were full of it..

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Postby Baljeet » 28 Jun 2007 11:26

kit wrote:Why dont we put some ideas here as to how you can negate the pakis new found capabilities ?


Kit Sahib
Pakistani had the very best many times before, they can have it again as far as land forces are concerned. There is nothing more satisfying than having a head of a paki on stick.
BTW...I believe in Gandhi priniciple of, "Live and Let Live"

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Postby JaiS » 04 Jul 2007 07:30

No need to keep huge army, says Asghar Khan

ABBOTTABAD: Rejecting a huge army to ensure peace, former Air Force Chief Air Marshal (retd) Asghar Khan has said that India poses no threat to Pakistan.

"There is a no need to keep a huge army because it is wastage of resources," he said, while speaking at a two-day National Peace Conference organized by Sungi Development Foundation here Tuesday.


Eminent experts, scholars, intellectuals, peace activists and Sungi partners across the country are participating in the conference.

The former air chief suggested that Pakistan should keep a huge territorial reserve force.

He said that he was opposed to war with India in 1965 and as the air chief, was kept in the dark that Pakistan was going to attack India. "We always initiated attacks on India. We also started the Kargil adventure and our soldiers fought on the pretext that they were Kashmiri Mujahideen," he said.

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Postby PaulJI » 04 Jul 2007 16:43

I've just had a look at the lists of high hours F-16 pilots on F-16.net, & I was struck that the PAF pilot list is very top-heavy (though not as bad as Venezuela), with many of the highest hours being racked up by very senior officers. 3 Air Vice Marshals & 4 Air Commodores in the top 20. I take this as a bad sign: unless they've been promoted since getting those flying hours, it looks like vanity flying to me, wasting flight hours which would be better used by the blokes who'd fly the planes in a war.

http://www.f-16.net/f-16_pilots.html

Does anyone know how this compares with IAF practice?

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Postby Shreeman » 05 Jul 2007 21:17

Anyone else notice one of the AS-550s joining the three AH-xx over Lal masjid?

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Postby JaiS » 09 Jul 2007 02:50

Pak Navy ship arrives on goodwill visit

MUSCAT — Pakistan Navy Ship Tippu Sultan will arrive here today on a goodwill visit.

PNS Tippu Sultan was commissioned on September 23, 1994 and is named after Sultan Fateh Ali Tippu who ruled Mysore, now a city in southern India, from 1762 to 1799.

The modernisation of PNS Tippu Sultan was successfully accomplished at the Pakistan Navy Dockyard. During the process of modernisation, the state-of-the-art equipment/weapons/sensors like ESM Set DR-3000 S1X, an air/surface surveillance long range radar DA-08, surface to air missile SAM LY-60 (N), two manual/automatic 30mm Anti Air DS-30 (B) Guns, active towed array sonar (ATAS), wire guided active/passive homing torpedo system 43X2 and a modern command, control and commnications (C3) system were installed.

PNS Tippu Sultan is a leading ship of 25th Destroyer Squadron of Pakistan naval fleet. The ship is currently a holder of the Annual Safety Trophy 2005 as well as Overall Efficiency winner of the year 2005. It displays ‘E’ on its funnel casing.

Captain Bilal Abdul Nasir PN who joined Pakistan Navy as a cadet on April 1, 1984 and was commissioned in the operation branch in July 1988 is the commanding officer of the ship. He has done his cadet’s basic training from Turkish Naval Academy, Istanbul. He is a graduate of Pakistan Navy War College and Turkish Naval War College. His important sea appointments include gunnery officer of PNS Tughril, gunnery officer and principal war officer of PNS Tariq and executive officer of PNS Tippu Sultan. He has also served as a divisional officer and instructor at Pakistan Naval Academy.

The ship also carries an Alouette helicopter. Lt-Commander Faisal Hameed PN who is flight Commander joined Pakistan Navy as Junior Cadet in 1987 and was commissioned on July 1, 1991.

He joined Naval Aviation in 1997. He is a qualified rotary wing pilot of Alouette helicopter and is also a qualified instructor pilot. He holds the diploma in flight safety and did PN staff course in 2005.

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Postby JaiS » 09 Jul 2007 02:55

140th FW Judge at Falcon Air Meet 07

July 7, 2007 (by Capt. Nicole David) - In May 2007, members of the 140th Wing Colorado ANG returned to Jordan as judges for the second annual Falcon Air Meet (FAM) hosted by the Royal Jordanian Air Force (RJAF).

The goal of the Falcon Air Meet is to train and work through friendly competition between the air forces of the U.S., Middle East, and other F-16 users from around the world. In this year’s meet, F-16 units from Belgium, Turkey, Jordan, and the U.S., specifically the 55th Fighter Squadron from Shaw AFB, competed in the areas of maintenance and operations centered around Lockheed Martin’s F-16 Fighting Falcon.

The competition events consisted of a four-ship formation arrival, a scramble launch, air-to-air dog fighting, weapons loading, and air-to-ground bombing. In addition to the scored events, the four countries also trained with each other in Basic Fighter Maneuvers, Air Combat Training, and Large Force Employment, as well as overall sortie generation.

Also among the competing countries were observers from Bahrain, Egypt, Indonesia, Italy, Kuwait, Netherlands, Oman, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and the United Arab Emirates. Each of these countries came to observe the competition in hopes of participating in FAM 2008.

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Postby JaiS » 09 Jul 2007 03:04

Pakistan, China agree to consolidate defence ties

ISLAMABAD, July 5: Pakistan and China on Thursday expressed their desire to further expand and consolidate bilateral ties in diverse fields especially in the area of defence.

This was discussed at a meeting between Defence Minister Rao Sikandar Iqbal and the visiting Chinese Admiral Hu Yan Lin, political commisar PLA (Navy) China, at the defence ministry.

The minister told Admiral Yan Lin that Pakistan attached great importance to its ties with China, a press release issued here said.

He thanked the Chinese government for its continued support in the modernisation plans of Pakistan’s armed forces.

He highlighted and praised Chinese assistance for strategic projects like JF-17 thunder aircraft, F-22 frigates and Al-Khalid tank.

The meeting stressed the need for closer interaction and more collaboration between the armed forces of the two countries.

Admiral Yan Lin told the minister that Pakistan and China were good partners and neighbours.

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Postby tsarkar » 09 Jul 2007 12:17

While Bofors 400 mm torpedoes on Pakistani ships were rumoured in news reports - i havent come across any pictures or manufacturer or official press releases confirming the same.

The reason why i am doubting the installation is that Bofors 400 mm torpedoes are wire guided. Any surface ship launching them will have to slow down to ensure the wire doesnt snap. Slowing down is suicidal for a surface ship with submarines around. And 533 mm submarine torpedoes are longer ranged than 400 mm / 324 mm ship torpedoes

Request anyone having photographs of Bofors 400 mm torpedoes on Pakistani ships or authentic reports (not newspaper ones please) to kindly forward.

Thanks,

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Postby JaiS » 12 Jul 2007 00:51

US starts delivering F-16 aircraft

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MUSHAF BASE, July 10: The United States on Tuesday started the long-awaited delivery of F-16 aircraft to Pakistan when two of the `Fighter Falcons’ were handed over to the Pakistan Air Force.

The handing over ceremony was held at the PAF base near Sargodha where two F-16s landed after being directly flown from the US.

Chief of the Air Staff Air Chief Marshal Tanvir Mehmood Ahmed, US Ambassador to Pakistan Anne W. Peterson and a large number of senior officers of the PAF attended the ceremony.

Commander of Central Air Command of US Air Force Lt-Gen Gary L. North, along with a colleague, flew the aircraft and reached here after a continuous flight of over eight hours across the Atlantic.

The handing over marked the beginning of the programme for the delivery of the fleet of a dozen aircraft to Pakistan. These aircraft were manufactured in 1990s and their delivery to Pakistan was stopped following imposition of the Pressler Amendment.

Later, these were given to the US air force and navy.

[b]Talking to APP, Air Chief Marshal Tanvir Mehmood Ahmed said that the remaining 10 aircraft would be given to Pakistan in batches till the middle of next year.

“These are exceptionally used aircraft and are being given to us at very nominal prices,â€
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Postby Lalmohan » 12 Jul 2007 02:45

exceptionally used means 'used only exceptionally' or 'used without exception'?

enquiring minds want to know...

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Postby ramana » 12 Jul 2007 03:32

Used sparingly and sold at nominal price. Blame it on Pinglish!

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Postby JaiS » 18 Jul 2007 21:32

Pakistan to assist Nigerian Navy

The Pakistani Navy has off ered to assist its Nigerian counterpart to regain its 'blue sea status' as a leading international navy.

Visiting Pakistani Chief of Naval Staff, Admiral Muhammad Afzal Tahir, made the pledge during a meeting with his Nigerian counterpart, Vice Admiral Ganiyu Adekeye, in Abuja Monday.

Admiral Tahir, who arrived in Nigeria Saturday, called for better understanding and frequent exchange of visits between the two naval forces.

He told Adekeye that his country was ready to assist the Nigerian Navy come out of "the neglect and severe degeneration it suffered during the fifteen years that the international community isolated the entire Nigerian military."


He listed the capabilities of the Pakistani Navy to include building of warships, submarines and other vessels, adding that it was ready to assist the Nigerian Navy to get the optimal benefit of its shipbuilding and repair facilities at both the Naval Dockyard, Lagos, and Ship Repair Yard, in the Southern city of Port Harcourt.

He thanked the government and people of Pakistan for the numerous assistance, support and contributions to the Nigerian Navy, especially in the area of training and retraining of its personnel.

Every year, the Pakistani Navy gives slots in its Staff and War Colleges for the Nigerian military, especially the Navy.

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Postby sum » 19 Jul 2007 08:47

The Pakistani Navy has off ered to assist its Nigerian counterpart to regain its 'blue sea status' as a leading international navy.

:roll: :roll:
Does the line mean pak or nigeria is tryin to get back its "blue sea" status??
When did either of them have it in the first place?? :-?
The only "blue sea" status of the paki navy i know of is "bottom of blue sea" or "hiding in the harbour away from the blue sea"!!!!!

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Postby nikhil_p » 19 Jul 2007 11:16

tsarkar wrote:While Bofors 400 mm torpedoes on Pakistani ships were rumoured in news reports - i havent come across any pictures or manufacturer or official press releases confirming the same.

The reason why i am doubting the installation is that Bofors 400 mm torpedoes are wire guided. Any surface ship launching them will have to slow down to ensure the wire doesnt snap. Slowing down is suicidal for a surface ship with submarines around. And 533 mm submarine torpedoes are longer ranged than 400 mm / 324 mm ship torpedoes

Request anyone having photographs of Bofors 400 mm torpedoes on Pakistani ships or authentic reports (not newspaper ones please) to kindly forward.

Thanks,

AFAIK the wire will not snap, if we consider a ship moving at say 30 Knots, that is approx 55 kmph, and a torpedo at around 50 knots, that is aound 95 Kmph, lets consider perpendicular to the direction of the motion of the ship. generally wire guidance is used in cases where the hit probability has to be high, and another chance at firing off a torpedo are low/ non existent ( <6Km). Lets consider max distance of 6 Km, in which case, it will take, approx 3.5 minutes, while the ship has moved forward only about 4 km. A torpedo is unlike the TOW missile, that needs guidance throughout its path. Most torpedoes are equipped with their own sensors to track and attack targets. so the ship will snap the line, and the torpedo will use its onboard systems to destroy the target. The advantage of wire guidance, is that it can give constant updates from superior sensors (active/ passive) mounted on the ship as opposed to the onboard torpedo sensors. This becomes essential at close quarters as target will use decoys and other stuff to protect itself, and the torpedo must be steered. This is very important at close quarters, as if you dont destroy the target at this range, most probably you are in the gravest danger.
Moreover, even if a ship is moving, a wake homing torpedo can easily make a small job of a ship. ( of course if it has the range ;)


The following can be confirmed about the sale and transfer of torpedoes to pakistan.
Type 43 - Sweden, 25 nos, possibly for upgraded PNS Tariq class. This is a 400mm wire/active guided light torpedo, made by SAAB.
F17P - France- 100- for Agosta 90B -533mm range 29km at 24 knots during wire guidance phase, or 18 km normal.
DM-2A4-Germany - 59 nos - for Agosta 90B - 533mm, 50 km range at 50 knots.
All this data is available from SIPRI, which is the most reliable source for arms transfers.

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Postby tsarkar » 19 Jul 2007 16:38

Thanks for your views, Nikhil, and the data provided.

Are your views based on the envelope / specifications of the hose / wire of the 400 mm torpedo? Do forward the same, it'll make interesting reading. I am researching ship launched wire guided torpedoes for quite some time now and facts are hard to come by.

As my experience goes, during the course of the engagement described by you, the ship moves relatively only 4 km, however the torpedo has its own vertical, lateral and forward motion and speed coupled with the ships roll, pitch, lateral and forward motion. Won’t it add too much stress on the hose and wire?

http://www.dodsbir.net/SITIS/view_pdf.a ... o%20II.ppt shows a typical torpedo wire guidance system. Check the operating envelope, especially the vertical limitations.

1. The exact speeds are classified, however parent submarine has to maintain steady course and bearing during the wire guided phase of torpedo deployment to stay within the operating envelope.
2. Submarines suffer from a lot less roll and pitch than surface ships.
3. Submarine torpedoes are longer ranged than ship torpedoes so even if a surface ship reduces speed and keeps a steady bearing, it makes an easy target.

The Type 43 torpedoes are deployed on the Visby class corvettes in three fixed tubes. PN Amazon class is supposed to have a single fixed tube. Would be interesting to find how the torpedo is deployed. I would like to believe that it is deployed as a standard torpedo without wire guidance from surface ships and with wire guidance from Swedish submarines.

Janes mentioned that Pakistan plans to install these torpedoes, but not whether it actually did.

SIPRI uses newspaper reports and hence isn’t a reliable source. Check the following link – http://www.sipri.org/contents/armstrad/ ... _94-04.pdf

The report doesn’t mention EL/M-2238 STAR because its acquisition was bundled with the Barak acquisition and never noticed nor reported in the media. The SIPRI report is supposed to cover 1994 – 2004. INS Ganga participated in Navy Day 2002 off Mumbai proudly showing her EL/M-2238 STAR to the public.

It mentions DA-05 for Type 16A whereas it actually uses DA-08. Check the difference between DA-05 and DA-08 in http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NAVY/Images/Viraat5.jpg and http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NAVY/Imag ... utra10.jpg

The same report mentions LW-08 for Type 17 & Type 15A which is not true despite the Brahmos Type 15A model doing rounds in exhibitions.

Pakistani Admirals are known for making speeches that are basically wishlists that are faithfully published in the newspapers but not actual followed by purchases. What I am looking for is photographs showing the torpedo tubes or manufacturer press releases.

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Postby nikhil_p » 23 Jul 2007 23:12

tsarkar, you will have your answers soon.
I am posting it in the navy thread.
sorry about the delay

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Postby JaiS » 25 Jul 2007 22:33

Government to provide resources to modernise PAF; Shaukat Aziz

ISLAMABAD, Jul 24 (APP): Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz Tuesday vowed government’s full support to modernize Pakistan Air Force, to keep it in a state of high preparedness to protect country’s frontiers.Talking to Chief of Air Staff, Air Chief Marshal Tanvir Mahmood Ahmad here at the PM House, he said Pakistan was a peace-loving country and desired peace with all its neighbours. He however pointed that only a strong defense can guarantee peace.

The Prime Minister said the government was focusing on enhancing indigenous defence capabilities and was also entering into joint ventures with other countries to provide modern equipment to the PAF to augment its capabilities.

The Chief of Air Staff apprised the Prime Minister about the initiatives taken by the PAF to modernize and upgrade the force. He said the addition of F-16 planes will further strengthen country’s defense capabilities.

The Air Chief also updated the Prime Minister on the JF-17 fighter aircraft, which is being jointly developed and produced with China.

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Postby JaiS » 25 Jul 2007 22:36

Cultures come together at Rodeo 2007

At Rodeo 2005, teams from the United States, Brazil, France and the United Kingdom worked together to teach the Pakistan team about airlift mission procedures and standards.

"Pakistan had never done a combat offload or engine running offload and they asked us how we do it and what kind of timing is needed," said Chief Magno Ney, a Brazilian team veteran.

"We learned a lot from the previous Rodeo working with the other teams, and this year we are competing in those events," said Lt. Col. Rizvi Mazhar, the Pakistan wing commander.

Competition is often tough at Rodeo and rivalries sometimes arise, but the true reason for the international event is to create better airlift capabilities.

"We already had airlift procedures before coming to Rodeo, but working with others, we found our weaknesses, corrected them and then implemented the changes," Colonel Mazhar said.

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Postby bala » 26 Jul 2007 22:48

One more from the chinese weapon supplied stock is depleted.

Pak test-fires Babur missile

Babur cruise missile, flaunted by Pakistan's military as rival to Indo-Russia joint venture Brahmos cruise missile was successfully test-fired by Pakistan today.


Pakistan today successfully test-fired the terrain-hugging Babur cruise missile, which is capable of carrying warheads and hit targets within a range of 700 kms that includes many Indian cities.The Babur or Hatf VII missile can carry conventional as well as non-conventional nuclear warheads.

"The test will consolidate Pakistan's strategic capability and strengthen national security," a defence statement here said. President Pervez Musharraf and Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz congratulated scientists for the successful launch.

Pakistan officials said the test-firing was a routine one. Babur missile, flaunted by Pakistan's military as rival to Indo-Russia joint venture Brahmos cruise missile, was first tested in 2005 with a range of 500 km. The missile was later test-fired in March 22 this year with an "enhanced" range of 700 km. Pakistan officials say the Babur missile is "highly manoeuvrable with pin point accuracy".

India apparently was not informed of the test firing as the pre-notification agreement of missile tests pertains only to ballistic missiles and not cruise missiles.

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Postby JaiS » 03 Aug 2007 22:08

Pakistan Navy takes over command of multi-national task force

BAHRAIN, Aug 1 (APP): Pakistan Navy on Wednesday took over the command of the Combined Task Force (CTF-150) of the navies of 20 nations, which maintains security and stability in the maritime environment and complements counter-terrorism efforts in littoral waters of the regional states. A ceremony was held at the auditorium of US Navy Central Command where Commodore Khan Hasham Bin Siddidue of Pakistan Navy formally took over the command of CTF-150 from the out going Commander Rear Admiral Alain Hinden of France.

The major countries in the CTF-150 are US, Britain, France, Australia, Italy, Japan, Germany, Netherlands and Spain.

Pakistan, which has got the command for the second time, would supervise the operations to look after the maritime interests spread over around 2.4 million nautical miles of waters stretching from North Arabian Sea to the Horn of Africa including the Red Sea. The focus of operations is around the Gulf of Oman and North Arabian Sea, covering shores and waters of around 14 countries.

The CTF-150 is a major component of Coalition Maritime Campaign Plan (CMCP), in place since October 2001 with the aim to maintain peace and stability on sea lanes of communication and prevent illegal activities like human trafficking, drug and weapons smuggling and movement of terrorists.

Pakistan Navy has been contributing its assets since April 2004. In April 2006, Pakistan Navy was given CTF-150 command for over six months in recognition of its professionalism and sizeable contributions in various fields.

Vice Admiral Kevin Cosgriff, Commander Combined Maritime Forces, US Naval Forces Central Command, speaking at the ceremony, said that this time again Pakistan was being given command of CTF-150 in recognition of its professional competence and commitment to the just cause.

“The challenges are still significant, but I am confident that under your leadership, the coalition can be further harmonized to achieve our shared goals,â€

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Postby JaiS » 04 Aug 2007 08:22

Pakistan Navy Pursuing Comprehensive Development Strategy

KARACHI: The Pakistan Navy is vigorously pursuing a comprehensive developmental strategy for building a balanced fleet comprising modern frigates, submarines and air assets to meet our peace and war time requirements. This was stated by the Chief of the Naval Staff, Admiral Muhammad Afzal Tahir.

He was addressing Pakistan Navy fleet Seminar at the PNS Jauhar Auditorium here on Monday, says an ISPR (Navy) press release.

The Naval Chief said that construction of Agosta submarines, acquisition of F-22 P frigates and P-3C aircraft are some tangible measures to give necessary boost to the professional capabilities of Pakistan Navy.

He said that Pakistan Navy specially needs potent surface units to perform a wide range of benign, constabulary and military tasks.

Admiral Tahir said the contract with Karachi Shipyard and Engineering Works for the construction of two small tanker cum utility ships within next two years is an important step in this direction.

He also urged the officers to continue to maintain the existing assets in optimum operational state besides wholeheartedly pursuing acquisition of latest platforms and weaponry.

In his welcome address, the Commander of Pakistan Fleet Vice-Admiral Noman Bashir said that the last few decades have seen an overwhelming technological influx and computerization in the field of naval warfare.

To live up to the demands of this modern era and to shape up as a force with meaningful deterrence, need to continue with our quest for technological advancements, research and development and above all enhance our knowledge through constant and untiring efforts, he added.

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Postby saptarishi » 04 Aug 2007 20:14

Russian Engines to Fly to Pakistan


Russian President Vladimir Putin has recently signed the permission for the re-export of Russian engines RD-93 to Pakistan. RD-93 are installed on Chinese fighter jets JF-17 (also known as FC-1). Islamabad signed a contract with Beijing for 150 such jets. In total, China plans to buy around 1,000 RD-93 engines, worth $6-7 billion, from Russia.
Russian President Vladimir Putin has recently signed the permission for the re-export of Russian engines RD-93 to Pakistan. RD-93 are installed on Chinese fighter jets JF-17 (also known as FC-1). Islamabad signed a contract with Beijing for 150 such jets. In total, China plans to buy around 1,000 RD-93 engines, worth $6-7 billion, from Russia.

India spoke against re-exporting RD-93 to Pakistan. However, the Russian president’s staff said that the deal with China does not harm Delhi’s interests, and explains: “India buys not just next-generation jets from Russia, but ‘four-plus’ generation jetsâ€

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Postby negi » 04 Aug 2007 22:43

saptarishi wrote:JF-17 fighter jets are the third generation, actually outdated machines. Meanwhile, if that deal had failed, Pakistan would have been able to acquire more modern Europe’s Eurofighter Typhoon jets or American F-16 aircrafts.

http://www.kommersant.com/p792862/China ... _Pakistan/

Thats kommersant using Lahori logic onlee.Typhoon and F-16's were always there for Pukes ,sale of RD-93 notwithstanding,its just that TSP can now procure/paint these in far greater numbers than the expensive EU/US A/C.

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Postby tsarkar » 06 Aug 2007 17:19

Can anyone update me on PAF BVR capabilities?

The current F-16 Block 15 are not sparrow compatible and can use only sidewinders. I dont think the Mirage 3/5 are Super 530D capable. I have never seen pictures of the above missiles in PAF service.

So will PAF enter the BVR age only when F-16 Block 50/52 and AMRAAMC5 are delivered or JF-17 is PL-12/SD-10 qualified, whichever is earlier?

Thanks,

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Postby parshu » 06 Aug 2007 17:56

Baljeet wrote:
kit wrote:Why dont we put some ideas here as to how you can negate the pakis new found capabilities ?


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Pakistani had the very best many times before, they can have it again as far as land forces are concerned. There is nothing more satisfying than having a head of a paki on stick.
BTW...I believe in Gandhi priniciple of, "Live and Let Live"


Well in contrast to their army officers, the PAF pilots have done well for their country, particularly n 1965, Jagan & Samir have written a v.good book on this. They also top the US Top Gun courses on occasion. Their non-bvr vulnerability kept them quiet during Kargil, but though the R73 is better than the Sidewinder, I think the Amraam will still be very very dangerous.


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