Tibet Watch- 2008-Part 6

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 13 Apr 2008 17:26

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Whele did Chailman Mao's post dissapper?

marnich · Post by **marnich** » 13 Apr 2008 18:11

Philip wrote:
...Paramilitary Olympics: Beijing: at least 94,000 security staff â€“ but only 10,500 athletes

After the protests that greeted the torch relay, China is getting ready to put on the greatest show of security the world has ever seen. Clifford Coonan and Richard Osley report

Sunday, 13 April 2008

We are laying the ground for virtual baton to the same route, which is the real Olympic baton to fire. But I do not know the English language and, therefore, only one station (Tanzania), made in English. It will always be the start address of your participation.

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enqyoobOLD · Post by **enqyoobOLD** » 13 Apr 2008 20:25

Comrade Va-Mao-Han:

Time for a new thread to project the point of view of the Glorious People's Revolution against all this Splittist Neo-Colonialist Bourgeouis Adventurist Running (torch-carrying) Dog Propaganda of Capitalist Imperialism?

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 14 Apr 2008 00:47

[quote="Acharya"][quote="Sanjay M"]
April 2008
Delhi Takes the Low Road on Tibet
by Ben Frumin

Posted April 2, 2008
Further, the BJPâ€™s plank of Hindu nationalism seems incongruous with its declaration last week of Indiaâ€™s â€œbounden dutyâ€

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 14 Apr 2008 02:12

enqyoob wrote:Comrade Va-Mao-Han:

Time for a new thread to project the point of view of the Glorious People's Revolution against all this Splittist Neo-Colonialist Bourgeouis Adventurist Running (torch-carrying) Dog Propaganda of Capitalist Imperialism?

I agree Chairman but am afraid that the admin politbureau would send me for patriotic education if I start that thread

anyway we now have attention seeker Ravi Shastri running with the olympic torch on behalf of the Indian cricketers in Oman

"I will be running as a sportsman," said Ravi Shastri, cricketer and former manager of Team India, while talking to rediff.com on his low-key participation in the Olympics [Images] Torch relay in Muscat, Oman on April 14.

Shastri is representing the "sports of cricket and Indian cricketers," according to a member of the Indian community in Muscat, who was instrumental in inviting him for the ceremony.

According to the OOC the starting point of the torch relay is at Al Bustan roundabout in the eastern part of the coast city, where lies a replica of an ancient Omani wooden boat that sailed to (with opium and Camel dongs) China more than 1,000 years ago.

When Kankashi Khimji, local community leader and sports supporter called Shastri, he agreed to participate in the Olympic Torch relay event "without battling an eyelid."

Shastri said on arrival that, "Sports bring people together." He gave the example of India and Pakistan.

One more idiot to be added to the boycott list. Sports bring people together , match fixing brings them even closer I suppose

Link

Keshav · Post by **Keshav** » 14 Apr 2008 02:20

A awesome spoof of the Chinese and the Olympic torch. As the creators say, "China will never unblock us now."

http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/434584#

Very funny and very disturbing.

Sanjay M · Post by **Sanjay M** » 14 Apr 2008 02:28

Sanjay M · Post by **Sanjay M** » 14 Apr 2008 02:34

http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2008/0 ... index.html

Sanjay M · Post by **Sanjay M** » 14 Apr 2008 02:38

Paramilitary Olympics: Beijing: at least 94,000 security staff â€“ but only 10,500 athletes

After the protests that greeted the torch relay, China is getting ready to put on the greatest show of security the world has ever seen. Clifford Coonan and Richard Osley report

Kakkaji · Post by **Kakkaji** » 14 Apr 2008 03:04

[quote="Acharya"][quote="Acharya"][quote="Sanjay M"]
April 2008
Delhi Takes the Low Road on Tibet
by Ben Frumin

Posted April 2, 2008
Further, the BJPâ€™s plank of Hindu nationalism seems incongruous with its declaration last week of Indiaâ€™s â€œbounden dutyâ€

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 14 Apr 2008 03:15

Kakkaji wrote:

As for them trying to create a split between Buddhism and Hinduism, both the IJs and EJs have a real animus against Hinduism. They would acknowledge Buddhism, Sikhism, Jainism, but never Hinduism. To them, Hinduism is inherently evil.

This is exactly an EJ told in an email saying that Buddhism is OK but Hinduism has to be attacked. Buddhism is being coopted into a peoples movement by the EJs

Sanjay M · Post by **Sanjay M** » 14 Apr 2008 04:23

Tibet backers show China value of PR
By Stephanie Clifford
Published: April 14, 200

With the Olympics in mind, China has been exploring American-style public relations approaches.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 14 Apr 2008 04:35

For the west, many tough calls on China
http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/04/13/news/13china.php

By Steven Erlanger
Published: April 13, 2008
PARIS: As the Dalai Lama begins a contentious two-week visit to the United States and the Olympic torch continues its tortuous journey across six continents toward Beijing, the 2008 Games, already tarnished, have become a political as well as an athletic spectacle, with vying theories of human rights and how best to promote them.

Groups devoted to causes as diverse as press freedom, Falun Gong, Tibet and autonomy for Uighur Muslims in China's far west have used the Games as leverage to highlight issues that had been relegated to advocacy chat rooms during most of China's long economic boom.

Aggressive street demonstrations in London, Paris and the United States, and mounting calls for President George W. Bush and other world leaders to skip the opening ceremony of the Olympic Games in August as a show of protest against China's internal policies, have produced a nationalist backlash in China. There, both the leadership and ordinary people resent what many see as a plot to disrupt the Games and damage China's image as a rising power, which the Olympics once seemed likely to burnish.

Politics has not intruded on the Games to this extent since Soviet bloc countries boycotted the 1984 Olympics in Los Angeles in retaliation for a United States-led boycott of the Moscow Games in 1980, after the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan.

The post-Los Angeles consensus that the world's foremost sporting event should remain exclusively a celebration of athletic excellence appears to have frayed. How political the Games will become, and whether international pressure on China will improve or worsen its policies on Tibet, Darfur and other delicate issues, has become a major worry for diplomats, athletes and commercial sponsors of the Olympics.

Eberhard Sandschneider, a China expert at the German Council on Foreign Relations in Berlin, said that the protests around the Games had created an uncomfortable moral dilemma for Western democracies even as Chinese leaders dug in their heels.

"The country is economically so attractive and by now so powerful that any measures we take will be met with painful countermeasures," he said. "The Olympics are important to the Chinese, but not as important as Tibet. Sovereignty and stability will always outweigh public relations."

The French foreign minister, the human rights advocate Bernard Kouchner, finds himself torn â€” unable and unwilling to criticize the protesters, but understanding that loud street protests may make Chinese change more difficult. "We can't reduce foreign policy to human rights," he said, telling the newspaper Le Figaro that France wanted to "facilitate" renewed dialogue between the Dalai Lama and Beijing. But the protests "make a solution more complicated," he said.

The most obvious pressure is on Western political leaders to engage in a symbolic boycott of the opening ceremony on Aug. 8. Prime Minister Gordon Brown of Britain and Angela Merkel, the German chancellor, have said they will not accept invitations to attend the opening of the Games. Even the United Nations secretary general, Ban Ki-moon, a Korean, made it clear on Thursday that his schedule would not permit him to attend the opening ceremony.

President George W. Bush, who plans to attend the Games, has said that he considers the Olympics nonpolitical but has not specified whether he intends to participate in the opening ceremony. Many members of Congress have urged him to skip it, and all three presidential contenders have suggested or urged that he reconsider attending.

President Nicolas Sarkozy of France, who first suggested boycotting the opening ceremony to promote a renewed dialogue between China and the Dalai Lama, has himself not finally decided, trying to use his decision as leverage on Beijing. After denying stiff conditions for his attendance set by Rama Yade, his human rights minister, including the end of all violence in Tibet, Sarkozy said he would decide whether to go only after seeing if the dialogue was renewed.

Speaking after the Paris protests, Sarkozy said: "It was sad to see the flame and the athletes booed, and I can understand that the Chinese have a problem." But "for the Olympics to go ahead in a peaceful fashion, dialogue needs to resume," he said.

The European news media and public opinion appear to support a tough stand. In Germany, the cover of this week's Der Spiegel magazine is the five Olympic rings retooled in barbed wire, with a picture of Chinese leaders underneath. The article focuses on the heavy-handed treatment of dissent, opening with the wife and baby daughter of a jailed dissident, Hu Jia.

Surya · Post by **Surya** » 14 Apr 2008 05:19

The b@stard had to do an equal equal with India

http://www.newsweek.com/id/131751

I immensly loathe this snake oil peddler.

Keshav · Post by **Keshav** » 14 Apr 2008 05:28

Surya wrote:The b@stard had to do an equal equal with India

http://www.newsweek.com/id/13175

Zakaria wrote: In fact, in almost all casesâ€”Turkey, Indiaâ€”granting autonomy to groups that press for it has in the end produced a more stable and peaceful national climate. But that is a lesson the Chinese government will have to learn for itself; it is unlikely to take instruction from outsiders. Its handling of the protests in Tibet is disgraceful. But humiliating the entire country over it would make matters worse.

Is he talking about Pakistan?

What other large tracts of land has India voluntarily given away?

marnich · Post by **marnich** » 14 Apr 2008 06:29

If you are using a virtual space to find solutions to real problems, why you do not use a new (virtual) the value of old attributes such as torch?

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sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 14 Apr 2008 06:51

As for them trying to create a split between Buddhism and Hinduism, both the IJs and EJs have a real animus against Hinduism. They would acknowledge Buddhism, Sikhism, Jainism, but never Hinduism. To them, Hinduism is inherently evil.

To attack Sikhi, Buddhism etc one needs to attack the roots.

But why the angst?

In 10 years of posting on this site, I have taken the liberty of one post that defends Hinduism. My commentary on religion I am sure causes great discomfit to a Christian of any denomination. Although there is nothing offensive in it other than facts.

The pradigm must be turned on its head-the civilised races must explain the superiority of their god-is he JC's father or is it JC or does the god function collapse into a singularity given enough piety. If there is a son, what of Mrs God? And what is this Holy Spirit about? And is the devil not as powerful as the Christian god? And what about St Simeon's holy feces? And so on and so on and on and on. So once the questions are asked it is hard to decide how the EJs should respond. If they respond with heaping excrement on Hinduism, well that is not any different from the last 300 years.

These questions are considered impolite to ask of Christians but the Christian dismissal of Hindu puranas as absurd are fair game. Change the pardigm and spread the wisdom around.

enqyoobOLD · Post by **enqyoobOLD** » 14 Apr 2008 07:17

fraid that the admin politbureau would send me for patriotic education if I start that thread

U have a point, Comrade. Better keep any free expression confined to the confines of the madarssa where relative Autonomy prevails. But after Lal Masjid experience and disappearance of Comrade Mullah Mahdi-e-dra, even the Masjid is no more secure than the Dharmashalas of Lhasa. I mean, the People's Re-education Tank Parking Lots of Lhasa.

Karan Dixit · Post by **Karan Dixit** » 14 Apr 2008 08:16

AP) The Dalai Lama said Sunday Tibet cannot make any more concessions to China, but he remains committed to pursuing Tibet's right to autonomy, and called for a reduction of Chinese aggression in his former homeland.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/04/ ... 1767.shtml

sanjaychoudhry · Post by **sanjaychoudhry** » 14 Apr 2008 12:49

Bharti to undertake march to Tibet

Bharatiya Janshakti Party leader Uma Bharti will undertake a march to Tibet to protest the Chinese crackdown in the Himalayan region.

Bharati, who is camping at Kalimath temple in Chamoli district bordering Tibet, will start her march on April 15, a top party leader said.

Chamoli District Magistrate D S Gabriyal said the authorities would not permit the former Madhya Pradesh Chief Minister to cross the border.

Bharti will be accompanied by her party supporters, the leader said.

"There is going to be a big rally in Joshimath town in Chamoli on April 15 from where Bharti will start her march," said Nagesh Dutt Mishra, the party's coordinator in Uttarakhand.

Bharti, who is presently in meditation at Kalimath, could not be reached for comments.

Official sources said the district administration had already been alerted in view of the proposed march.

Link

Kalantak · Post by **Kalantak** » 14 Apr 2008 16:40

Tibetans to run parallel torch relay

amit · Post by **amit** » 14 Apr 2008 16:47

Kalantak wrote:Tibetans to run parallel torch relay

I think this is a great idea! This is going to draw a lot of TV time, especially from the Western media. And hopefullly it will overshadow the "official" relay.

That would be even greater slap on the face of the Hans than attempted disruption which have happened all over the place.

I do hope Baichung and Kiran Bedi run of the Tibetian relay.

My hats off to the guy who came up with this brilliant idea.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 14 Apr 2008 17:07

amit wrote:
Kalantak wrote:Tibetans to run parallel torch relay

I think this is a great idea! This is going to draw a lot of TV time, especially from the Western media. And hopefullly it will overshadow the "official" relay.

That would be even greater slap on the face of the Hans than attempted disruption which have happened all over the place.

I do hope Baichung and Kiran Bedi run of the Tibetian relay.

My hats off to the guy who came up with this brilliant idea.

Hold on. The commies and chinese intel assets in the country are going to try their best to thwart this parallel relay. I hope the spineless elements in GOI won't ban any other procession on that day in Delhi except the torch run by PLA goons. It is not going to be easy. I hope and pray this parallel run is going to be a huge success.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 14 Apr 2008 17:45

'Tibetans holding private talks with China'

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 14 Apr 2008 18:19

What is happening in Tibet is just part of the experience of living in the Gulag that is China.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/ap ... 2008.china

July 2001: 'If China wins the Olympics, it will make progress on the promotion of human rights'.

April 2008: The terror goes on...They promised progress but, as Edward Cody in Shanghai reports, human rights activists face brutal persecution
Edward Cody, Washington Post The Observer, Sunday April 13 2008

Zheng Enchong is a self-taught lawyer and a dogged human rights activist. In many countries, he would be considered a gadfly. But in China, during this Olympic year, he is treated like a threat to national security.

One police surveillance camera captures on tape whoever enters or leaves his Shanghai apartment. Another monitors whoever presses the elevator button. A third records people in the building's elevator. Lest the cameras prove unreliable, plainclothes police officers lounge in one corner of Zheng's landing throughout the day, smoking, sipping tea and playing cards.

Often, Zheng said, they prevent him from leaving his building. When he tried in February to go out to buy dumplings, the guards beat him up. In recent months, he said, they have been allowing him to attend church services most Sunday mornings. But sometimes not. He never knows exactly why. 'That's the way things are for me,' he said, smiling haplessly as if embarrassed by his fate. 'It's been going on for the last two years.'

As Beijing prepares to host the Olympic Games in August, the grinding controls imposed by the Chinese government on Zheng and other civil rights activists over the last decade are coming under growing scrutiny abroad. China's security forces have extensive experience and little legal restriction in suppressing dissent.

But domestic challenges to Communist rule are playing out today within a rising international debate over what place China's human rights record should have in the Olympics. Beijing insists that the Games should have nothing to do with politics. Foreign activists, however, argue that the desire to celebrate athletic achievement should not be a reason for the world to ignore the dark side of Chinese policies.

But while much focus has been on China's record in Tibet, little mention is being made of the daily challenges - from monitoring to arrest - risked by Zheng and any of China's 1.3 billion residents if they question the party line.

Zheng, a 57-year-old native of Shanghai, first encountered trouble during the Cultural Revolution at the age of 17. He was sent to far northern Heilongjiang province, just south of what was then the Soviet Union, interrupting his secondary school studies.

When he arrived back in Shanghai six years later, he had no diploma and no place to live. Zheng quickly caught up with his studies, however, and entered Fudan University to study economic administration. Before the Eighties were out, he had also taught himself law and qualified for a licence to practise. Sensitised by his past, he started defending Shanghai families expelled from their homes to make way for the explosive development that would turn the city into China's largest, richest and most modern. 'Why did I worry about those people who lost their homes?' Zheng asked, sitting in his living room in front of a wall full of legal manuals and case files. 'Because I had the same experience.'

Feng Zhenghu, a friend and fellow activist, said Zheng started out like any other lawyer, but began to see his clients' problems as the result of government corruption and misconduct. As a result, Feng said in an interview, Zheng gravitated increasingly towards human rights cases and confrontation with Shanghai authorities.

His tactic was to use the letter of Chinese law, which offers broad guarantees in theory, to harass city officials who were seeking to plough ahead with their development deals. By asserting that the deals were often driven by officials' desire for self-enrichment, Zheng became known as an adversary up and down the Shanghai government and party bureaucracy.

'In such cases, it's their own interests they are protecting,' Feng said. 'Why are they so concerned? It's just speaking out and writing articles, right? Well, it's because people respond to these ideas. They want change. They can produce a lot of pressure on the government.'

Zheng converted to Christianity along the way and started attending services at a Wesleyan church about a 15-minute walk from his home. His wife, Jiang Meili, also became a member. Their faith, Zheng said, has given them values that inform his legal activism.

In recent years, several dozen lawyers have made it their business to use Chinese law to defend people against the government. Like Zheng, a number have suffered retaliation.

One, Li Heping, was kidnapped and beaten in September. His car was recently rammed by a police vehicle as he took his son to school. Another, Teng Biao, was kidnapped for about 40 hours last month, presumably because of his friendship with Hu Jia, the internet essayist who was sentenced on 3 April to three and a half years in prison. Gao Zhisheng, a lawyer who became famous defending practitioners of the spiritual movement Falun Gong, has been under house arrest for months.

In defending homeless families caught up in land confiscation, Zheng got into trouble by suggesting publicly that corruption had infected senior officials in the Shanghai leadership.

He specifically pointed a finger at Huang Ju, a former mayor who rose to the Politburo's elite Standing Committee; Chen Liangyu, the Shanghai party secretary; and two sons of Jiang Zemin, the national party leader and President before Hu Jintao. 'Corruption is a large-scale problem in China,' Zheng said. 'But the biggest problem of all is corruption in land seizures. So that's why they're always after me.'

The Shanghai authorities acted first to invalidate Zheng's law licence. Undeterred, he kept taking cases. Then came the criminal prosecution. Zheng had been given a New China News Agency dispatch describing the Shanghai land disputes. Unknown to him, he said, it was an 'internal' article, distributed only to officials above a certain level. He gave the dispatch to local reporters for the BBC and Agence France-Presse and faxed a copy to a US-based human rights organisation.

For that, he was convicted of revealing state secrets and sentenced to three years in prison. After serving his time, he was released in 2006. That, he said, was when the surveillance cameras were installed and plainclothes police from the local Public Security Bureau were stationed on the landing.

The Zhabei District Public Security Bureau, queried by telephone, said it knew nothing about the team monitoring Zheng. 'Don't disturb us,' a woman said before hanging up. An official at the city Public Security Bureau's information office said he would investigate and call back, but did not.

Zheng also has been unable to return to work because of the restrictions, which include disabling his land line and mobile phones. He said he relies on his wife's pension and contributions from sympathetic lawyers in Beijing and the China Human Rights Lawyers Concern Group in Hong Kong.

Police cited Zheng as a suspect because his wife's younger brother has been accused of evading taxes on an adjacent apartment, Feng said. He has repeatedly been called in to testify. 'But the more they try to pressure him, the more he sticks his neck out,' Feng said, smiling.

In what was interpreted as a gesture of US government support, Zheng's daughter, Zheng Zhaojia, 22, was granted a US visa last year and has gone to the United States to study. 'We are dismayed by the restrictions on Mr Zheng's freedoms, including his inability to leave his residence and meet with other people,' the US Consulate here said in a statement.

Long after Zheng's accusations irritated officials, party secretary Chen was fired and tried for massive corruption; he was sentenced to 18 months' imprisonment on Friday. Huang Ju died of cancer last year, but his secretary, Wang Weigong, was taken into custody on charges of corruption in the same case. The Shanghai government, however, still appears to be concerned with Zheng. A pair of civilian officials visited him on Wednesday last week, he said, and urged him not to post anything on the internet about the troubles in Tibet because of the 'sensitive situation'. On Friday, the plainclothes police squad upbraided him for trying to leave for the evening services at the church down the street.

'Why are you trying to surprise us?' he quoted them as saying, suggesting that they had orders that the Sunday morning leave was all he was going to get.

The rights champion
Yang Chunlin
Jailed for five years for subversion

An unemployed former factory worker from Heilongjiang province, Yang Chunlin, who was jailed for five years for subversion, was accused of accepting money from foreign organisations, writing critical articles and organising a petition for farmers who had lost their land to developers. The petition said: 'We don't want the Olympics, we want human rights.' His sister, Yang Chunping, said: 'He might have criticised the party and some officials, but all he did is improve the development of democracy. What he said is based on freedom of speech.'

The husband and wife activists
Hu Jia and Zeng Jinyan
Jailed for subversion and under house arrest respectively

Internet essayist Hu Jia, 34, has received much international attention since his jailing, with critics of China alleging that his sentence is part of a crackdown to silence dissent before the Olympics. Hu Jia was jailed for posting articles on overseas websites, including one criticising China for breaking its promise to improve human rights ahead of the Olympics, and for interviews he gave to foreign journalists. Although Prime Minister Wen Jiabao has denied a crackdown on dissidents, the cases of Hu and Yang Chunlin - jailed for five years - have drawn condemnation. Hu first rose to prominence as an Aids campaigner, later fighting for democratic rights, religious freedom and self-determination for Tibet.

His wife, Zeng Jinyan, who has been under house arrest since he was seized in December, is a prominent activist in her own right and a prolific internet blogger, documenting a wide range of rights violations in China and the government's attempt to whitewash them.

kshirin · Post by **kshirin** » 14 Apr 2008 18:56

Surya wrote:The b@stard had to do an equal equal with India

http://www.newsweek.com/id/131751

I immensly loathe this snake oil peddler.

If you think he's a snake for a one liner then what would you think of Darlymple enjoying Inidan hospitality and peddling one-sided interpretations of India in Kashmir at:

http://www.nybooks.com/articles/21310

The first of the big massacres of civilians by the Indian paramilitary police, the CRPF, took place on the morning of January 21, 1990. Following incidents of police brutality during search operations, several thousand Kashmiris, including much of the local civil service, broke the curfew and marched peacefully out of the old city, waving placards complaining about police violence. When the vanguard of the crowd was halfway across the Gowkadal bridge, at the center of town, the CRPF opened fire, with automatic weapons, from three directions.

When I got to Srinagar the following day, I went straight to the city hospital. Every bed in the building was occupied and the overflow lined the corridors. One man, an educated and urbane city engineer named Farooq Ahmed, described how after the firing, the CRPF walked slowly forward across the bridge, finishing off those who were lying wounded on the ground. When the shooting began, Ahmed had fallen flat on his face and managed to escape completely unhurt. "Just as I was about to get up," he told me, "I saw soldiers coming forward, shooting anyone who was injured. Someone pointed at me and shouted, 'that man is alive,' and a soldier began firing at me with a machine gun. I was hit four times in the back and twice in the arms." Seeing that he was still alive, another soldier raised his gun, but the officer told him not to waste ammunition. "The man said I would anyway die soon."

Ahmed waited forty-five minutes while the soldiers went through the piles of dead bodies, finishing off survivors and kicking corpses near the edge of the bridge into the river. When a convoy of trucks arrived, Ahmed was hauled inside along with the other bodies and covered with a tarpaulin. The trucks drove around Srinagar for an hour before finally dumping the bodies at the headquarters of the local Kashmiri police. Only then did survivors get taken to the hospital. The official casualty figure for the incident was twenty-eight dead. Ahmed and the three other survivors believed that the correct figure could well have been ten times that number.
After the international press published what had happened at the Gow-kadal bridge, all foreign correspondents were banned from Kashmir for several months. When we were allowed to return in May, it quickly became clear that the brutality of the security forces had comprehensively radicalized the normally apolitical Kashmiris and turned a small-scale insurgency into a genuine popular movement. "India has united us," I was told by a badly injured man at the city hospital. "We have no option but to continue. Only then can we live with our heads held high."

It goes on like this. I am not excusing the atrocities in Kashmir, I am also shocked to read this, but the timing of resurrection of charges is strange and the intention si to detract attention away from Tibet.

bala · Post by **bala** » 14 Apr 2008 22:50

The actions of the CCCP/PLA thugs in Tibet is having a backlash on the Chinese abroad... The chinese are wearing funeral attire at a wedding!

"They're pretty angry," Chao said. "People usually trust Western media because they think it's balanced. Not anymore."

"We're proud of the progress, but at the same time we're worried" about human rights, said S. Alice Mong, director of the Committee of 100, an organization of leading Chinese Americans.

"The Chinese are a proud people. They want freedom and greater rights, but they know they must fight for them from within," Chen wrote in the Washington Post.

Some Chinese Americans had fled the repressive region and support the outcry over Chinese human rights issues. And the San Gabriel Valley's large Hong Kong and Taiwanese populations are naturally wary of Beijing, a feeling reinforced by events in Tibet.

"The Olympics were supposed to bring glory to the Chinese," said Daniel Deng, a leading Chinese American defense attorney based in Rosemead. "Now the focus is the Dalai Lama and Tibet. A lot of Chinese are offended."

Deng, a native of China, said a popular analogy being used among Chinese likened the protests to wearing funeral attire at a wedding. "That's how people feel," he said. "This was supposed to be a great thing to celebrate."

Some recent immigrants say they had little idea there was so much opposition to Beijing in Tibet. It was not widely discussed in a country where media and public education stuck closely to the party line.

clicky

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 14 Apr 2008 22:58

bala wrote:The actions of the CCCP/PLA thugs in Tibet is having a backlash on the Chinese abroad... The chinese are wearing funeral attire at a wedding!
clicky

It is a big insult

indygill · Post by **indygill** » 14 Apr 2008 23:17

>>>Hold on. The commies and chinese intel assets in the country are going to try their best to thwart this parallel relay. I hope the spineless elements in GOI won't ban any other procession on that day in Delhi except the torch run by PLA goons. It is not going to be easy. I hope and pray this parallel run is going to be a huge success.<<<<<

I think it is in Chinese Interest. With their intel people on ground in Delhi and working with Indian intel will be gathering valuable info on key Tibetians and their organizations. They will go back with valuable intel on Tibetian movement inside India. In future they will use their commie poodles to track them and if situation calls for get them eliminated by their virtual slaves in India the commies.

enqyoobOLD · Post by **enqyoobOLD** » 14 Apr 2008 23:43

KSHIRIN:

I shall withold any comments from what is known as "4SPDA" for now, and merely point to why you should not be

so gullibly, lest people think ill of your IQ. Let's see. You quoted Dalr-Pimple or dimpimple or some such:

When I got to Srinagar the following day, I went straight to the city hospital. Every bed in the building was occupied and the overflow lined the corridors. One man, an educated and urbane city engineer named Farooq Ahmed, described how after the firing, the CRPF walked slowly forward across the bridge, finishing off those who were lying wounded on the ground. When the shooting began, Ahmed had fallen flat on his face and managed to escape completely unhurt. "Just as I was about to get up," he told me, "I saw soldiers coming forward, shooting anyone who was injured. Someone pointed at me and shouted, 'that man is alive,' and a soldier began firing at me with a machine gun. I was hit four times in the back and twice in the arms." Seeing that he was still alive, another soldier raised his gun, but the officer told him not to waste ammunition. "The man said I would anyway die soon."

OK, so let's see this: Day 1: Educated and Urbane City Engineer Farooq Ahmed gets shot in the back FOUR TIMES and TWICE on the arms at essentially point-blank range using a CRPF automatic weapon. He is left for dead.

Day 2 (less than 24 hours later): Said victim looks Educated and Urbane as he sits up in bed and gives an interview to Visiting Western Hero, who is allowed to roam free and collect interviews from Pakis who survived said Massacre, by the same Genocidal CRPF who ran the city.

OK, KSHIRIN, I am going to let you in on a SECRET. ONLY 4 U. SALE ENDS TOMORROW! ACT TODAY!

I own the 4 bridges across the Cauvery river in Bangalore, Kerala. But I am growing tired of having so much property, so I am willing to sell it 2 u for a pittance. Please send a Good-Faith deposit cashier's cheque to :

Al Haj Abdul Enqyoob Faisalabadi
c/o Administrators, Bharat-Rakshak Forum

Some small amount like (Pak)Rs. 45,000,000 should be enough.

Thanx!

P.S. The reason I know this story is only 397% true is that there is a dead giveaway there. They report that only a few hundred or few thousand demonstrators were genocided. This is COMPLETELY FALSE! The actual number was 1,735,645,078,345,233. Also, same day, the 3,700,000,000 Indian Army and CRPF posted in Occupied Kashmir raped over 800,000,000,000,000,000,000 women.

AllahoAkbar! These are all 400% true, Allah Ki Kasam! (AKK)

joshvajohn · Post by **joshvajohn** » 15 Apr 2008 00:10

Note: with such advisers Bush will land in Nepal for Olympics!!! as Bush is not listening to his people nor to any one to not to go for opening ceremony.

Top Bush aide confuses Tibet with Nepal

As McClatchey's Tim Johnson notes, U.S. National Security Advisor Stephen Hadley confused Tibet with Nepal five times yesterday on ABC's This Week. Whoops. (To be fair, host George Stephanopolous didn't correct him, either.)

Perhaps, as Johnson suggests, Hadley had just been briefed on the Maoists' great victory in Nepal and got mixed up. But perhaps he was so focused on not giving any hint as to whether President Bush will attend the opening ceremonies in Beijing that he lost focus. Stephanopolous tried repeatedly to get Hadley to commit Bush one way or the other, but he wouldn't budge from his talking points.

http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/node/8645

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 15 Apr 2008 00:43

War is God's way of teaching Americans geography.
Ambrose Bierce

indygill · Post by **indygill** » 15 Apr 2008 01:02

[quote="Acharya"][quote="Sanjay M"]
April 2008
Delhi Takes the Low Road on Tibet
by Ben Frumin

Posted April 2, 2008
Further, the BJPâ€™s plank of Hindu nationalism seems incongruous with its declaration last week of Indiaâ€™s â€œbounden dutyâ€

Venkarl · Post by **Venkarl** » 15 Apr 2008 01:55

Kalantak wrote:Tibetans to run parallel torch relay

For Thursday's relay the police is not taking any chances and the whole run will be completed in tight security cover. Many famous personalities might be the part of the Tibetan relay protest including writer and activist Arundhati Roy and politicians George Fernandes and Jaya Jaitley.

putnanja · Post by **putnanja** » 15 Apr 2008 04:01

Why Tibet matters - To sacrifice Tibetâ€™s interests would be to sacrifice our own.

Tibetan tradition is in tatters, but will it live on elsewhere?

ashish raval · Post by **ashish raval** » 15 Apr 2008 05:01

Five part series on Tibet reporting.
First part here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sjy4t637 ... re=related

Other parts can be seen alongside.

darshan · Post by **darshan** » 15 Apr 2008 09:55

Norwegian explorer flies Tibetan flag on North Pole
Mon Apr 14, 2008 5:50pm EDT

By Adam Tanner

SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - A Norwegian polar explorer said on Monday that he had flown the Tibetan flag on the North Pole to highlight the issue of human rights in the Chinese-ruled Himalayan region.

In a satellite telephone call, Inge Solheim said he had flown the flag hoping to inspire governments dealing with China as well as ordinary people to support Tibetan rights. A photo taken on Sunday and sent by e-mail showed him standing on a block of snow holding the flag with gloved hands against a cloudless sky.

"The symbolism is great because the Chinese have gone to great lengths to get the Olympic flame to Mount Everest, to the top of the world they say," he told Reuters. "But that's not the top of the world. The North Pole is the top of the world and the Tibetan cause should be on the top of our minds."

Tibet has attracted attention in recent weeks amid international concern over China's crackdown on rioting last month. The running of the Olympic torch ahead of the August 2008 games in Beijing has sparked large anti-China, pro-Tibet protests in cities including London, Paris and San Francisco.

Chinese climbers will attempt to bring an Olympic torch to peak of Mount Everest, on the Tibet-Nepal border next month.

"I hope it can inspire Tibetans in Tibet and the rest of the world to continue their fight for basic human rights and their right to live and govern in their own country," Solheim, 35, said in an earlier e-mail.

"The Norwegian government and other governments have to support them in their fight," he said. "Even if it means that they risk losing business deals or their relationship with China. Who wants to be friends with or do business with a brutal tyranny anyway?"

When word got around on Monday about his Tibetan flag flying, Solheim said he had received an unpleasant call from a Chinese man who did not identify himself who had somehow obtained his satellite phone number.

After displaying the flag in the -25 C temperatures, the Norwegian packed it back up to avoid polluting the pristine region. He said because the actual North Pole is constantly drifting, he could have been a few hundred yards (meters) off by the time the picture was taken.

Solheim is on his 8th trip to the North Pole and is the founder of Borderland, a company that takes visitors to the pole. He was walking back from the pole as the guide of three, another Norwegian, an Indian and an Iranian.

(Editing by Cynthia Osterman)

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 15 Apr 2008 18:29

Beijing: Olympic Games or Paramilitary Games?

China is planning to deploy more than 94,000 security personnel at the Beijing celebration in August, which means that uniformed and plain-clothes operatives will outnumber the 10,500 athletes by nearly nine to one, The Independent, London reported.

The paper quoting the People's Armed Police News reported that the PAP force was told to prevent any security threats that could upset the Games. The paper issued a "political mobilisation order" to PAP troops telling them to prepare for an arduous time ensuring order and control before and during the Games.

About 20 government agencies -- from the world's largest standing army, the two-million strong People's Liberation Army, to the fire service -- will be involved in the security operation for the Olympics, supported by thousands of volunteers recruited from military and police academies, the paper said.

The organisers in Beijing insist they have spent less on security than the Athens Games in 2004. Even then, security personnel in Greece numbered between 50,000 and 70,000 operatives, far fewer than will be ready for action in Beijing.

Asked on US television on Friday whether he wanted the world to boycott the Beijing Games, the Dalai Lama Tibet's exiled spiritual leader, said no before sending the message to China: "We are not against you -- and I'm not seeking separation."

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 15 Apr 2008 19:49

Delhi: Tibetans carry out 'torch relay'

Taking security personnel by surprise, 27 Tibetans on Tuesday took out their own "torch relay" on the route of the Olympic flame run in Delhi to demonstrate against Chinese "atrocities" in their homeland.

Twenty-seven Tibetans, including nine women, managed to run almost the entire stretch of the Rajpath, the designated route for the April 17 Olympic torch relay, and entered into a minor clash with the police as they attempted to douse the flame.

The protesters suddenly emerged on the Rajpath, about a kilometre from Rashtrapati Bhavan [Images] from where the relay is scheduled to start, at around 3 pm and started running towards India Gate, where the original run is to culminate.

However, as the protest relay almost reached India Gate, police intervened and doused the torch.

The security was immediately intensified by deploying more personnel in the area.

In the melee, the station house officer of Tilak Marg and a woman protester suffered minor burn injuries.

All the 27 Tibetans were arrested, a senior police official said.

indygill · Post by **indygill** » 15 Apr 2008 20:28

Here left goes again. Its just amazing!! it gets more and more ridiculous !! I never knew chinese dominance on Indian left was to this extent...

http://in.news.yahoo.com/pti/20080415/r ... 4a2da.html

Thiruvananthapuram, Apr 15 (PTI) As the Olympic Torch goes through a torrid run facing protests over Chinese crackdown in Tibet, Left-ruled Kerala is gearing up to give moral support to the Beijing Games in a big way when the torch relay arrives in India on April 17. The state Sports Council will mobilise people across the state not only to take a Olympic pledge but also resent the protests being staged in different parts of the world against the Beijing Olympics over the Tibetan issue, council president T P Dasan said here today.

"Protest against the Olympic torch run was in effect a protest against Olympics and the spirit values for which it stood," Dasan said. Tibetan issue was not something that cropped up after the Chinese capital was selected for holding the Olympics.

Dasan appealed to the sports lovers and all those who believed in democratic values to assemble to pledge support to Beijing Olympics. Sports lovers, athletes and players of different discipline would gather in the state capital, district headquarters, sports schools and camps to take the pledge to uphold Olympic values.

PTI.

Bharat Rakshak

Tibet Watch- 2008-Part 6

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