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US President George W Bush has expressed concern over the Chinese crackdown in Tibet. At the same time, he has pressed his Chinese counterpart, Hu Jintao to open talks with the Dalai Lama to find a solution to the Tibet issue.


http://www.outlookindia.com/pti_news.asp?id=564130
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Falun Gong protesters often sit opposite the embassy holding banners and handing out pamphlets raising concerns about the government in Beijing.


http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,23 ... 77,00.html
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Depression and anxiety are more prevalent in Tibetan refugees who are born in Tibet than the community members who are raised in comparative stability in northern India and Nepal, US researchers have found.


http://www.newkerala.com/one.php?action ... s&id=50203
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South Africans walk the Gandhi march for Tibetans
Durban (PTI): A march organised here on Sunday to commemorate Mahatma Gandhi's salt march in India during the British rule saw the South Africans expressing solidarity with the Tibetan cause while stressing on the non-violent means.

Organised by 'Satyagraha', the march had approximately 5000 people walking from the Gandhi settlement, where he once stayed, to the Durban beach-front along with some members of the Tibetan community.

Ela Gandhi, grand-daughter of Mahatma Gandhi and one of the organisers, said the march aimed to instill the non-violent ways of life that Gandhi had fought for.

We support the cause of Tibet, Myanmar and Zimbabwe in a non-violent manner, Gandhi said at the event.

"Mahatma Gandhi has shown there's another way of dealing with conflict, dealing with differences of opinion through non-violence", she said.

Participants in the 22-kilometre long march, which has been an annual affair here for the past four years, echoed the sentiments of the Tibetan cause while stressing on peaceful means of protest.

"We're joining the march to make people aware there's a problem in Tibet and we'd like to bring peace there. His holiness the Dalai Lama is asking people to create awareness but in a peaceful, non-violent way", a participant in the march said.

"The whole Satyahagraha movement, the way he (Gandhi) accomplished so many things with passive resistance really touched me and I thought I should be part of this as well", another said.
Bollywood Actress Celina Jaitley with Free Tibet T-Shirt

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China protests target CNN, French store

BEIJING, China (CNN) -- Protests against Tibetan independence have continued Sunday in several Chinese cities, according to the country's state-run news agency. (that would be Chinese equivalent of CNN..)

Demonstrators also expressed their anger about what they see as biased reporting of the Tibet story by Western media organizations including CNN.

Protesters gathered outside the French supermarket Carrefour in several Chinese cities including the northwestern city Xi'an, and the northeastern city Harbin and eastern city Jinan, the agency reported.

The demonstrators expressed anger at the way protests disrupted the Olympic torch relay in Paris on April 7. During Sunday's demonstrations in China, some held banners condemning "Tibet secessionists in France tearing up the Five-Star Red Flag," according to Xinhua.

Protesters were also heard shouting anti-CNN slogans. ...

Thousands of Chinese also demonstrated outside Carrefour on Saturday in east-central city of Wuhan. And on Saturday about 1,500 pro-Chinese demonstrators gathered outside of CNN's bureau in Los Angeles demanding that a Cafferty apologize and be fired from the network over comments critical of China and the U.S. government's relationship with it.

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Cafferty issued a clarification of his remarks Monday, saying the comments referred to the Chinese government, not its people.
"So I think our relationship with China has certainly changed," he said. "I think they're basically the same bunch of goons and thugs they've been for the last 50 years."
"It was not Mr. Cafferty's, nor CNN's intent to cause offense to the Chinese people, and (CNN) would apologize to anyone who has interpreted the comments in this way," the statement said.
THAT's going to win them beaucoup friends in China and LA :roll:

BTW, when Chinese plotestors boycott French supermarket and French stores, er... aren't they shooting themselves in the musharraf? Most of the stuff there says on the bottom:
Fabrique en Chine
doesn't it?
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Lord! Chinese have truly cowered the CNN. I hardly see any news about Tibet on CNN anymore. What is the deal here?
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There is a major shift in the news media regarding China reporting. Now, after the various torch ceremonies around the world - having severely shortened running distances with armies of security cordon, the Tibetian crisis is best forgotten and the subtle switch is made towards the hosting of Olympics in Beijing 2008. We see articles extolling the tourist scene in China and the various sponsors of Olympics are gearing up to tout their wares. Already there are major ads in Western Media for booking your Olympics trip to the peaceful haven called China. Many in the Chinese diaspora are busy painting the Tibetians (the victims) as villains. They actually believe the CCCP/PLA goons and thugs. Until the next eruption/rebellion in hallowed Muddle Kongdom, be prepared for the glowing tributes to the peace loving, orderly Chinese and their major coup in hosting the Olympics this year.
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Despite years of opposition, Australia's senior IOC member Kevan Gosper said, the IOC executive board eventually gave in to pressure from Beijing Games organisers and torch relay sponsors including Coca-Cola and Samsung, who wanted to go ahead with a grand international route to create a wave of positive publicity in the lead-up to the opening ceremony on August 8.

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,23 ... 24,00.html

(Only Pepsi can tell how much business Coca-Cola has lost because of their unwise decision to sponsor the torch relay. In my opinion, Pepsi tastes much better than Coca-Cola. Plus Pepsi is pro human rights. Coca-Cola is pro thugs.)
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Commies beating their masters in defending position on tibet!!!!!
If there are one section of people who can be truely called a scourge on India, it has to be the commies!!!!
They are getting more and more blatant in their traitorous behaviour day by day.....

[quote]In trying to put up a strong defence on behalf of its ideological allies{or masters??} :roll: in China, the CPM has needlessly sought to drag the Kashmir issue into the debate over Tibetan protests. The latest effort comes from Nilotpal Basu, a key party central committee member, who feels that China is today a “victim of western moralisingâ€
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WASHINGTON (AFP) - A Chinese woman studying in the United States says she has become the victim of threats and intimidation here for her role during a recent campus protest against China's crackdown in Tibet.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080421/ts ... 0421020448
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Torch provides China no light relief

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Posting in full since the site does not archive...

http://www.thestandard.com.hk/news_deta ... con_type=1

Torch provides China no light relief

James Rose

Monday, April 21, 2008

The torch is fizzling; the trail of its dying smoke is circling the globe as a symbol of just how much China has blown it. As the faintly absurd Olympic torch relay looks likely to fall off the lead-up agenda for future Games, China's inability to conduct itself appropriately as a major world power has been starkly exposed.
The error is less in the knee-jerk reactions to the most recent events in Tibet, but in the policy foundations and power plays that underlie them.

Two articles in the April issue of the Far Eastern Economic Review pinpoint the fundamental weaknesses of China's approach in Tibet.

The first, by Australian academic Ben Hillman, offers insights to China's skewed agenda in Tibet. Hillman details the remarkable economic support provided by Beijing in Tibet. State transfers to Tibet are budgeted at around US$10 billion (HK$78 billion) between 2006 and 2010. That's not including the massive Golmud-Lhasa train line, said to have cost around US$4 billion, but does include some 180 other large infrastructure projects.

This effort has generated considerable economic activity. Since 2000, annualized GDP growth in the Tibet Autonomous Region has been about 12 percent. Last year, GDP growth jumped 14 percent on the previous year.

It is these numbers that China's Tibetan administrators point to as confirmation of their benevolent impact in the region. There is of course some validity in this argument, but it also tends to highlight China's insensitivity to Tibetan culture and society.

In short, good numbers in Tibet are not standalone indicators of success. Problems with employment for indigenous Tibetans, for instance, remain and it can be argued that Tibet's economic boom has benefited the locals less than migrants from elsewhere in China. There is also the sense that a sizable proportion of Tibetans would like to see a better balance between economic momentum driven from Beijing and Tibetan cultural independence and freedom.

As such, the numbers tell only part of the story and actually ignore the larger truth that China has failed to win hearts and minds in Tibet, even as it has swelled some pockets.

A second essay in the FEER, by Hong Kong academic Willy Lam, exposes the personal issues underpinning China's hard line on Tibet.

It is well known that President Hu Jintao cut his political teeth as the Tibet Autonomous Region party secretary. What is less widely known is that Hu has positioned many of his former colleagues from his Communist Youth League days in leadership positions in western China, including in Tibet, where Zhang Qingli currently reigns.

As such, not only do the careers of these cadres balance on maintaining their white-knuckle grip on western autonomous regions such as Tibet, so too does that of Hu himself.

The driving fear of being the one who will "lose Tibet" is drawing these party officials more tightly together, a little like the circling strategy of doomed wagons in the US Wild West.

From both these viewpoints, it is clear that China's Tibet policies are characterized by a misunderstanding of the needs of the Tibetan people and by self-serving concerns over career and personal reputation. Not exactly the sort of anchors likely to hold in the swirling seas of nationalist uprisings and amid global political squalls. The Olympics in this context are gathering storm clouds, presaging yet more trouble.

It is clear that China has not only blown the Olympics so far, but that it is badly damaging its international standing for years to come. Many have seen this coming for some time. It is surprising, if not shocking, that Beijing administrators were not among them.

China's weaknesses as a responsible international player have been exposed by the failure in their actions and, more damagingly, in the very conception of their policies.

Its international face is becoming more a leering, treacherous grimace than the open and inviting mien Beijing erroneously thought it could manufacture in the shadow of the Olympic rings. The solution, given the depth of the policy rot, will not be easy, nor quick.

But, drastic policy reform is needed, in Tibet as elsewhere, lest the solution slip further and further over the horizon. Those charged with overseeing western China's administration stand to lose a lot more than reputation.

James Rose is editor of www.corporategovernance-asia.com
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Kalantak wrote:The Tibetan Dilemma
By M.V. Kamath

When it suited the United States, it has supported China. During the Bangladesh War, Washington even tried to persuade China to attack India; Beijing declined to play America’s game.[/u]
Shiv mentioned on another thread that Confident magazine, with confident writers, and residents of confident nations have a different language. Please note above passage:

Reality: FM Sam Maneckshaw was a very savvy commander. Indira Gandhi a good leader, and Arora and Jacobs were smart generals. Maneckshaw took into account the Chinese in his Bangla war preparation. He deliberately planned the operations in December when the passes are clogged with snow. He kept a very strong force ready the Chinese border. In fact, when Gen J.F.R. Jacobs moved some mountain divisions from Indo-China border into the Bangladesh theater to for some urgent action, Maneckshaw called up Jacobs and gave hm a memorable verbal onslaught.

Rather then present the Chinese inaction in 1971 as an example of Indian strength and bravado and Chinese fear, the author does a self-goal and attributes the inaction to "Beijing declining to play America's game". If Beijing could have pricked India, it would have. It was not merely American game to contain India, it was (and still is) a Chinese game as well.

Talk about negative psy-ops from servile writer, of a servile magazine of a servile country.
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- The CPC/PRC has *never* been willing to fight a serious war against two serious opponents on two different fronts at the same time. If faced with such a situation will always strike an uneasy truce of some sort with one of them.

The military confrontation with the USSR turned serious after the Soviet invasion and 'regime change' in Czechoslovakia in 1968, and buildup in Mongolia and the Far East.

The PLA's strength at the time was concentrated in the north, next with significant forces in North Vietnam, but also with substantial in the east facing RoC/Taiwan. It was *not* ready to face a mobilised India in its South West in 1971.

Plus of course there was political turmoil within the PLA and CPC as Lin Piao, the PLA commander and Mao's chief henchman in the cultural revolution had broken with him and died attempting to defect to the Soviets; Mao had no choice but to reluctantly reinstate Deng Xiaoping, etc.

- The Nixon Administration had written off East Pakistan almost as soon as the war started. Its goal was to save West Pakistan, and it was willing to use any country to achieve that.

In the end it wasnt Chinese pressure that ended the war on the western front, but Soviet pressure. When Brezhnev in the interest of preserving detente with Nixon made it clear that Soviet diplomatic cover and prompt military supplies would not be available if the war continued any longer. In that sense, China played only an indirect role, making detente with the Americans something that the Soviets very badly wanted.
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In the end it wasnt Chinese pressure that ended the war on the western front, but Soviet pressure. When Brezhnev in the interest of preserving detente with Nixon made it clear that Soviet diplomatic cover and prompt military supplies would not be available if the war continued any longer. In that sense, China played only an indirect role, making detente with the Americans something that the Soviets very badly wanted.
The entire post of Johan was a rubbish. But this particular paragraph has set a new standard in rubbish.

Soviet Union was willing to go as far as India would have liked to go. Proof of their resolve was in their deployment of counter nuclear weapons against American assets in Bay of Bengal. Several American ships that tried to supply Pakistan were fired upon by Indian Navy. The air was very tense. At the end of the day, it was Richard Nixon's madness that saved West Pakistan.
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Tibet becomes an international matter


http://news.yahoo.com/s/mcb_china/20080 ... onalmatter

(Interesting outlook on Tibet issue.)
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Japanese Prime Minister Yasuo Fukuda put it clearly Friday when he told the visiting Chinese foreign minister that China "must face the reality that the Tibetan conflict has become an international issue."


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080421/ap_ ... a_tibet_17
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"At this moment, we need your help," the exiled Tibetan spiritual leader said as he and Undersecretary of State Paula Dobriansky addressed reporters briefly before a closed-door meeting at the University of Michigan.


http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2008 ... htm?csp=34
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Can you please stop formatting with bold please ?

Office jingoes will unnecessarily draw attention to the screen.

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It seems china can be provoked by just honouring the dalai lama. :D

China calls Paris' honouring of Dalai Lama 'act of provocation' :D
Beijing, April 22 (DPA) China Tuesday expressed its opposition to Paris city council's awarding of honorary citizenship to the Dalai Lama, describing it as an 'act of provocation.'
Paris city council voted Monday to award honorary citizenship to the Dalai Lama.
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Jiang also condemned a meeting of the US special envoy to Tibet, US Undersecretary of State Paula Dobriansky, with the Dalai Lama which took place at the north-eastern US University of Michigan Monday.
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Kalantak,

The world is simply witnessing the mindset of these thugs in Beijing. They only understand three things. Sex, food and punishment. Under threat from western military powers, they are backing off on their arms supply to Zimbabwe. They could have made conscientious decision on their own to not supply weapons to a questionable regime. But that is what separates them from humans.
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Karan Dixit wrote: (Thanks, Kalantak. Fixed)
They could have made conscientious decision on their own to not supply weapons to a questionable regime. But that is what separates them from humans.
But by that definition, all the ex-colonial powers were not humans, no? Because that is what they continue to do to this day, albeit covertly. But the reason they do it covertly is because the know that what they are doing will not make them look good.

No, the problem with the chinese is that they have not even a shred of shame or guilt in shooting innocent young women who have not indulged in any sort of violence...shotting them in the head for "splittist tendencies". The Chinese do not care if they are seen as a bunch of murderous thugs taking on unarmed young men and women...that is what is so weird about their "ancient" mindset.
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^ Rye it is not Kalantak wrote. It should have been Karan Dixit wrote.
Karan Dixit wrote:Kalantak,
Under threat from western military powers, they are backing off on their arms supply to Zimbabwe.
The problem for china was that all the sea ports were blocked which prevented the arms from being delivered. An cargo plane may fly secretly to Zimbabwe to deliver atleast some of the promised goods. Otherwise it will cause a huge loss of face for the chinese leaadership as it will be viewed as an unreliable ally by dictator regimes including one of its close neighbour.

Unrest in Tibet is causing china to tighten visa issuals which in turn will affect its business climate.
UK concerned over China's new visa curbs
22 Apr 2008
HONG KONG

Britain's top official in Hong Kong on Tuesday expressed concern about new pre-Olympics visa curbs on foreigners entering mainland China from Hong Kong, which have sparked widespread criticism from businessmen.

Hong Kong, which returned from British to Chinese rule in 1997, enjoys a high degree of autonomy and serves as a major gateway to the mainland.

Visas are normally obtained quickly for businessmen. But Beijing tightened entry rules last week because of increased security just months before the Games begin.

"Clearly there's a degree of concern," said Andrew Seaton, Britain's new consul-general to Hong Kong.

"The British Chamber I know has been very concerned about the real impact it has on the ability of their membership to pursue business in China."

Citizens of 33 countries, including India, Pakistan, Iraq and Nepal, have been barred from applying for China visas in Hong Kong and will now have to apply from their home countries.

The rules don't apply to foreigners resident in Hong Kong. A number of other foreign business chambers, including those from Australia and the United States, have also voiced criticism, saying businessmen aren't able to obtain multiple-entry visas and have been stymied by extra red tape, requiring proof of hotel vouchers and a return air-ticket before visas are issued.

Conflicting information on the new rules from China's Foreign Ministry and travel agents has also added to the confusion. Seaton said Britain was now trying to clarify matters with Chinese authorities in Beijing, London and Hong Kong.

"As far as I know we do not yet have that precise clarification of the new rules that we are seeking," Seaton told reporters on the first day of his job as the new consul-general. China, whose Communist government values stability above all else, is taking no chances with the August Olympics and has been carrying out regular security and anti-terror drills.

The journey of the Olympic torch around the world has been disrupted by protests, largely over Chinese rule in Tibet, where a wave of anti-government unrest erupted in March.

Over the weekend, protests broke out in several Chinese cities, demanding a boycott of French goods and targeted French supermarket chain Carrefour, as Chinese vented indignation towards recent anti-China demonstrations in Paris.

Seaton said he wasn't overly concerned. "As long as those protests ... stay peaceful, then it seems to me that that those protests won't pose any problems," he said.
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There in this world there are a lot of people who want stand with the Tibetan people and they can do their smallest part by making this Bloody Red Olympic a non event. Turn off your TV for watching olympics and dont buy a product with 5 circles logo on it. If this olympics is not about freedom and free spirit then it is not worth watching. Let the drones have a fete, who cares.
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Pran, this is an excellent suggestion. This is how you can teach these communist chinese thugs a lesson. Boycott olympics in your own way, for the Chinese communist thugs have given no consideration for freedom and human rights of Tibetan people. Boycotting watching olympics on T.V and avoiding chinese goods to the extent possible is a good lesson just like all the Indians boycotted the British goods during Independence struggle.
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The Chinese CCCP/PLA have become modern day terrorists, see the following and judge for yourself:

China Goons and Thugs Inc.
Chinese Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Jiang Yu said Tuesday that the Carrefour demonstrations were "encouraging and touching".

We also hope that the French side can respond positively to the aspirations of the Chinese people the spokeswoman said.

Jiang blasted the Paris city council's action Monday to bestow the title of "honorary citizen" on the exiled Tibetan Buddhist leader.

The decision to honor the Dalai Lama will "only be considered as another insult against the 1.3 billion Chinese people, including Tibetans," Jiang said. :rotfl:
The goons and thugs of CCCP/PLA are intimidating the world with threats and counter threats. Actively encouraging riots and mayhem in support of their convoluted vision. There comes a stage when these thugs, used to usurping power and demonizing others, actually believe in their own petard. Time for the world to call attention to the modern thugs of the world who innocently butcher defenceless people including women and children (a paki trait I might add).
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I am strongly considering starting a Petition on behalf of the Aggrieved Goons and Thugs, who are tired of being associated with the communist rats. But then I am concerned that rats will protest.
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Some verbal flatulence from Naxal Ram as he bows to his Chinese masters...
Tibet’s development spells progress in human rights: N. Ram
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Karan Dixit wrote:
In the end it wasnt Chinese pressure that ended the war on the western front, but Soviet pressure. When Brezhnev in the interest of preserving detente with Nixon made it clear that Soviet diplomatic cover and prompt military supplies would not be available if the war continued any longer. In that sense, China played only an indirect role, making detente with the Americans something that the Soviets very badly wanted.
The entire post of Johan was a rubbish. But this particular paragraph has set a new standard in rubbish.

Soviet Union was willing to go as far as India would have liked to go. Proof of their resolve was in their deployment of counter nuclear weapons against American assets in Bay of Bengal. Several American ships that tried to supply Pakistan were fired upon by Indian Navy. The air was very tense. At the end of the day, it was Richard Nixon's madness that saved West Pakistan.
Unfortunately Johann is correct
On Dec 13, Poland a soviet puppet called for a UN ceasefire based on respecting the election of Sheikh Mujib

Bhutto refused this offer

Soviet support to India was VERY limited, a basic UN veto screen,
of course arms shipments and a very theoretical shield against china

Per Ravi Rikhye, owner of Orbat and a former BRF senior member
there was sever soviet pressure not to expand the war

The chinese were aware for 9 months that there would be a war
They had ample time to intervene
They did not directly intervene

Reasons are that Indian defence posture was much better than in 1962

And regarding Johann, he often posts a spin , but his basic facts are almost always 100% accurate
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And as for the Indian Navy firing upon the US fleet.... AllahoAkbar! I don't believe the US fleet actually came anywhere close to where they could evacuate anyone. The Pakis surrendered while the USS Enterprise was still way out south of the Andamans, I believe. True that many IN and IAF pilots were ready to make the ultimate sacrifice if Tricky D1ck and Kissmyassinger ordered the USN to attack India. I've heard that some kamikaze missions were readied to degrade the power of the Entterprise.
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Enqyoob,
I was not talking about the 7th fleet. US attempted to supply Pakistan while India had declared embargo on Pakistan. IN fired warning shots and the ships headed back. (This information was posted on State Department's website a few years go.)
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CANBERRA (Reuters) - Pro-Tibetan protesters beamed laser signs onto the Sydney Harbor Bridge on Wednesday reading "Don't Torch Tibet" and "China, talk to the Dalai Lama," as the Olympic torch arrived in Australia under tight security.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080423/wl_ ... orch_dc_13
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Karan Dixit wrote:Enqyoob,
I was not talking about the 7th fleet. US attempted to supply Pakistan while India had declared embargo on Pakistan. IN fired warning shots and the ships headed back. (This information was posted on State Department's website a few years go.)
On Dec 3, 1971, USA declared an arms embargo on both sides
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TIBETAN protesters invaded a UN compound in Nepal's capital today to deliver an appeal to the world body urging it to put pressure on China to end its crackdown in Tibet, officials said.


http://www.news.com.au/perthnow/story/0 ... public_rss
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G Subramaniam wrote:
Karan Dixit wrote:Enqyoob,
I was not talking about the 7th fleet. US attempted to supply Pakistan while India had declared embargo on Pakistan. IN fired warning shots and the ships headed back. (This information was posted on State Department's website a few years go.)
On Dec 3, 1971, USA declared an arms embargo on both sides
Oops! I meant blockade. A country has right to declare and enforce a blockade on another country in the time of war. US attempted to violate the blockade. India fired warning shots. Last post from me on this subject.
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The United States meanwhile warned China that failure to hold a dialogue now with the Dalai Lama in a bid to end the crisis could harden the position of moderate pro-Tibetan groups.

"If Beijing does not engage with the Dalai Lama now, it will only serve to strengthen those who advocate extreme views," Deputy Secretary of State John Negroponte told the Senate hearing, in which popular movie star Richard Gere, a persistent advocate for human rights in Tibet, also testified.

"Public villification of the Dalai Lama will not defuse the situation," Negroponte said.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080424/wl ... 0424044326
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Prominent radical Tibetan exiles have demanded a review of the Dalai Lama's non-violent campaign for autonomy within China following Beijing's crackdown on protests in the Himalayan territory last month.


http://rawstory.com/news/afp/US_warns_C ... 32008.html
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