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Postby kantak » 27 Jan 2006 10:58

why put the esm gear on top.would it not be better for the flight characteristics of the il to have integrated it in the main body itself ,perhaps on the tail.

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Postby Igorr » 30 Jan 2006 03:44

kantak wrote:why put the esm gear on top.would it not be better for the flight characteristics of the il to have integrated it in the main body itself ,perhaps on the tail.

- There is a place for missiles there in the fuselage, that is needed as well. only imagine how much place will need airborne Brahmos, when it is ready!... If will not be enough place there, one Il-38 might be unable to sink ALL puki fleet, but only the half. It cannot satisfy you, can It? :lol:

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Postby Victor » 30 Jan 2006 05:26

Igorr, somewhat off topic but being the resident expert, can you tell us if there is any specific reason why Russian aircraft still wear the Red Star which is a Soviet mark? One notes that the German forces retained the Black Cross in a slightly modified form but those were National markings, not ideological.

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Postby Singha » 30 Jan 2006 08:47

the IL38 ESM setup looks lot bigger and more heavy duty than the ones integrated into fighter bodies and such. Its range and discrimination will probably be much better.

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Postby JCage » 01 Feb 2006 14:23

From Janes Avionics '03. Only an excerpt.

Sea Dragon maritime surveillance mission system architecture
The Sea Dragon maritime surveillance mission system architecture is a proposal offered by the Leninetz Holding Company of
St Petersburg. The roles proposed include: Anti-Submarine Warfare (ASW); maritime surveillance; Anti-Surface Warfare
(ASuW); Search And Rescue (SAR) and surface environment monitoring. The mission suite comprises: radar; electro-optics,
Magnetic Anomaly Detector (MAD); acoustic system; Electronic Support Measures (ESM); and Mission Control Computer Unit
(MCCU).
The radar system proposed provides: long-range detection of surface vessels in rough sea states and against precipitation
and jamming environments; detection of small targets and emergency beacons in high sea states; air-to-air detection against a
background of sea clutter; target acquisition and tracking, with range heading and velocity data; Synthetic Aperture Radar
(SAR) and Inverse SAR (ISAR) modes.
The electro-optic surveillance system combines Infra-Red (IR) and Low Light Level TV (LLLTV) cameras. There are two
video channels and features include: high-resolution and selectable field of view IR and TV images; 360º coverage; 3-D
gyrostabilised gimbal and autotrack controlled by the Mission Control Computer Unit (MCCU).
The MAD system comprises the sensitive quantum-mechanical magnetometer and provides: real-time data processing; use
of target detection and aircraft-generated interference compensation combined algorithms with a high degree of automation;
high accuracy of the beam range and beam passage time determination; reliable magnetic and electromagnetic interference
clutter protection.
The acoustic system provides: automatic submarine detection and localisation by means of active and passive sonobuoys
with target motion parameter measurement; operation near ice edges; underwater acoustic conditions reconnaissance and
contacts prediction; multichannel receiving and processing capability.
The ESM provides detection of radar emissions with multi-octave frequency coverage in dense signal environments;
monopulse measurements; analysis of frequency and modulation data; emitter identification and multitarget tracking.
The Sea Dragon mission system is centrally controlled by the Mission Control Computer Unit (MCCU), which provides: three
identical operator positions with access to all processing functions, via multiplex databusses. Each operator station is equipped
with two multicolour 13 in Barco MPRD 134 liquid crystal displays and multifunction consoles. Each operator has a digital map
display and the ability to perform data fusion from all sensors, together with access to aircraft navigation and flight plan data.
Laser disk memory is used to support system requirements.
A derivative system of Sea Dragon called Stirzh has been reported that uses only the radar and electro-optical subsystems
in a single operator configuration.

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Postby Johann » 18 Feb 2006 07:00

Victor wrote:Igorr, somewhat off topic but being the resident expert, can you tell us if there is any specific reason why Russian aircraft still wear the Red Star which is a Soviet mark? One notes that the German forces retained the Black Cross in a slightly modified form but those were National markings, not ideological.


WWII- remember Russians fought it as the Great Patriotic War- made it a national symbol . Appealing to Slavic/Russian/Orthodox nationalim was a deliberate choice by Stalin, what with a frightening number of Soviet citizens, Slavic and non-Slavic, Orthodox and non-Orthodox initially welcoming the German army to save them from Stalin's totalitarian mass-murdering brand of communism. Stalin even allowed the Orthodox Church to be revived during the war, although suitably subservient to the Kremlin and the Party.

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Postby kantak » 18 Feb 2006 11:44

Victor wrote:Igorr, somewhat off topic but being the resident expert, can you tell us if there is any specific reason why Russian aircraft still wear the Red Star which is a Soviet mark? One notes that the German forces retained the Black Cross in a slightly modified form but those were National markings, not ideological.


:lol: Perhaps if they changed the red star to say a blue star thet would be mistaken for the israellis or if changed to green would be shot down by IAF for being pakistani's :lol:

:lol: Perhaps they havent hired a designer yet to change their logo.

More seriously though ,the red star has always been the symbol for soviet union and since russia formed a major portion of it i am sure that they retain the right to sport the red star.

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Postby Shankar » 18 Feb 2006 13:33

nothing symbolises the might of russia than the red star on thier mig 31s or the topols for that matter - let it stay forever atleat it will stop our uncle from acting too rashly as world policeman by reminding him his very existance still now depends on the co-opertion and friendly behaviour of a country with red star emblem

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Postby Raj Malhotra » 19 Feb 2006 12:38

Navy seems to be looking for a medium and heavy MPA. I think that ATR-72 would be most suitable for the medium category MPA. With the price range of US$ 20 million IN can procure it in numbers. ATR-42 is too light and would not be able to do Anti sub Warfare (refer to Turkey procurement of ATRs)

For the heavy MPA, I think Phalcon style deal makes sense. Heavy platform like Il-76 fitted with Israeli or European avionics. I feel Embraer 190 or even Airbus 320 or Boeing 737 may be light and would require a tail of aerial refuelers. If we feel like threatening Chinese ships all the way near Cape of Good hope then we need legs for it. The benefit of Turbofan aircraft is good speed (means it can reach quickly to target area) and the heavy MTOW will give it adequate loiter time.


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