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Postby rakall » 22 Mar 2007 18:46

Shankar wrote:
he fulcrum can't compare to other US craft in the BVR range but if the AMRAAM misses then the 2 aircraft are within 6-10 miles the fulcrum moves how to miss the amraam

- on what ground do you claim a fulcrum cannot match western aircrafts in BVR .The R-77 AND r-27ER principal BVR weapons on 29/35 has longer ballistic range than even AMRAAM .The present generation radar is as good and have more range for detection as well as tracking multiple targets

He probably hasnt read half-a-decade of beaten to death MRCA threads.. do they still exist in the thrashcan archive??

it they do -- aks please read them up.. all these questions/assertions/comments have been argued over again & again..

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Postby Shankar » 22 Mar 2007 18:50

Work on the R-77 began in 1982, and the work was considered quite significant and secret since it represented their first fully multi-purpose missile for both tactical and strategic aircraft for fire-and-forget employment against everything from hovering helicopters to high speed, low altitude aircraft. Gennadiy Sokolovski, Vympel Design Bureau General Designer, said that the R-77 can be used also against medium and long range air-to-air missiles such as the AIM-120 AMRAAM and AIM-54 PHOENIX as well as SAM's such as the PATRIOT. Latest generation fighters are to utilize the R-77 from internal carriage where the control fins and surfaces will fold flat until the missile is catapulted clear of the aircraft for motor ignition.

The Russian AAM-AE (R-77) "AMRAAMski" [Russian RVV-AE, RVV-AE] is a new air-to-air missile that had its first delivery to fighter units in late 1992 as the AAM-AE. It continues in series production. It is designed to be used against aircraft, cruise missiles, surface-to-air missiles, and air-to-air missiles.

The AAM-AE (R-77) incorporates an active radar seeker and is described as an all-aspect, all-weather, fire-and-forget weapon that can be employed in a countermeasure environment. The missile's 20 centimeter diameter does give it a large radar cross section which is further enhanced with its four tail-mounted grid-fins.

One of the R-77's most interesting features is its grid-type control surfaces. Sokolovski said that the development for this control concept took three years of theoretical work and testing. Drag and radar "signature" are more pronounced than might be expected from conventional surfaces, but the supersonic performance outweighs the drawbacks. The density of the grid, which allows for numerous aero-surfaces to fly in the relative wind, the total surface area is increased providing better maneuverability for less weight and size.

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Postby Harry » 22 Mar 2007 20:35

The AIM-120A has a max range of 50 km (Source: Bill Gunston's Aircraft Armament), with a typical launch range of ~35 km. There is no proof to indicate that the C-5 has any better range than that either. Damn the fanboys who edit wikipedia.

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fulcrum or flashback

Postby aks » 23 Mar 2007 14:29

have the m35 name changed? or do we still call the M29/35 fulcrum.

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Re: fulcrum or flashback

Postby shiv » 24 Mar 2007 06:41

aks wrote:have the m35 name changed? or do we still call the M29/35 fulcrum.

We? Who's "we"

Don't know about you, but I call the M29/35 "Ananthakrishnan"

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Postby sohamn » 27 Mar 2007 16:13

The AIM-120 comes in many variations. The AIM 120 A has a headon range of about 60KM and a tail chase range of around 20KM or more. I guess this is the version that the pakis have taken. But the dis advantage of this version is that - initially the missile is just fired like a rocket in the direction of the locked aircraft. The missile continues for some distance without homing and then after the target aircraft comes in range of the seeker in the missile it locks on to the aircraft and starts homing on it. Hence, if the enemy pilot decides to change his course when the missile is launched then the missile/seeker would not get close to the aircraft to lock on with the seeker. Hence it will be a dud.

The AIM-120 C/D has certainly a range of over 110KM head on and over 35KM tail chase. It also maintains contact with the mother ship once launched for mid course guidence and the seeker locks on when the enemy comes in range of the seeker. This version of missile is definitely superior to any BVR missile currently in service. The seeker is also very advanced and can ward of numerous threat from most ECMs and jammers.

Among all the aircrafts you have flown - which aircraft will you vouch for the MRCA competition. And the Mig-35 on aero india was without TVC?? and still it was performing those breathtaking maneuvers. wow! The russians are posing a stiff competitor for the west. But what i want to know whether they have significantly improved the range and the payload, because the Mig-29 was poor in these fronts. Also is the Radar on the Mig-35 better that the SU-30MKI or F/A-18 Super Hornets.

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