The Police - once again

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Re: The Police - once again

Postby shim george » 06 Sep 2001 04:36

Dear Sachin,<BR> <BR> I thought I might post this here. I already posted it in the Infrastructure thread but you enjoy talking about police so you are most likely going to read this. <P> I remember being in the cities. The "police cars" had no marking whatsoever and they were just white ambassadors or sme other car with a red light over them. The Gypsys and Mahindras were the only cars marked. But anyway the people in the cars are not even wearing uniform. So I do not understand why one does not impersonate them.<BR> <BR> I also remember when I was in Cochin. We had to get to the airport in a hurry but we were in the middles of traffic. The driver started overtaking all these cars (sign says no overtaking in the city). We even overtook several of these police cars.

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Postby shim george » 06 Sep 2001 04:41

By the way I think that to make a police officers enforce a law is to impose a fine and give te officer a 10% commission. So he will get something out of it. A nice incentive.<BR> <BR> Also as far as police technology goes. Are we up to date on technology such as DNA or fingerprints.

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Re: The Police - once again

Postby Mohan Raju » 06 Sep 2001 05:50

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>By the way I think that to make a police officers enforce a law is to impose a fine and give te officer a 10% commission. So he will get something out of it. A nice incentive.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Yeah, a nice incentive to police abuse and thuggery!

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Re: The Police - once again

Postby Sachin » 06 Sep 2001 11:58

<B>shim</B><BR>The cars which you refer to as Police Cars are actually escort vehicles. In many states, these cars are used to transport senior officials. Some of them are also used to be part of the cavalcade which escorts the ministers :D

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Postby shim george » 07 Sep 2001 01:26

Sachin,<BR> <BR> Do you mea by slow moving jeeps and gypsys do you mean that the cars are very slow as in speed slow or are they slow as in patrolling. I did not see too many in Cochin (old looking Mahindras that just have a sticker saying "Police"). I remember seeing only one marked jeep in Bangalore and that was a Tata Sumo (actually looked very nice with all decorations). But in Delhi there were tons of Gypsy police vehicles.<BR> <BR> I also heard there is a speed limit in Delhi. Itis at 60km/h right. Is this radar enforced? I wonderif they have fines for speeding. Maybe the commission will work here.<BR> <BR> I actually planned to keep the fines high so the commission would be high. Resonable amount but enough for the person to just accept the ticket then to give him a bribe.<BR> <BR> Saw so many of those CID vehicles. Everyone I was asking said they were cops. I did see a cavalade in Kerela with the minister most likely in the Red Mercedes Benz.

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Re: The Police - once again

Postby Sachin » 07 Sep 2001 10:39

<B>shim</B><BR>By slow moving vehicles I meant, that they are purposely driven slowly, so that can be on the look out for traffic violators.<P>The majority of vehicles with Kerala Police are Mahindra Jeeps, but many of them are new models and NOT in a very bad shape.<P>Major cities like Delhi and Mumbai have got Gypsy jeeps. Speed monitoring in Delhi AFAIK is good, with some specially designed vehicles to trap/catch people. In Kerala, speed checking is vere rare due to shortage of equipment (I think it is one machine per district).<P>The policemen escorting a minister, even though not in uniform are still part of the force.

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Postby shim george » 08 Sep 2001 23:51

Sachin<BR> <BR> They could be new. But they were not really decorated like the ones in Bangalore or Delhi. Made itlook old even though it might not I respect Mahindra and cannot wait till it's Scorpio and Voyager come out.<P> I a wondering if there is any particular place that police officers are stressed out ad resort to this "violence" and asfar as a few police thread reported that i some incedents in which a person is in need of help they could care less ( if you want I remember one report on an earlier thread about this event).

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Re: The Police - once again

Postby Joeqp » 27 Sep 2001 05:06

<A HREF="http://www.rediff.com/news/2001/sep/26judge.htm" TARGET=_BLANK>Berserk cops beat up judges</A><P>Glad to see that the cops are equal-opportunity offenders...

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Re: The Police - once again

Postby shyamala » 28 Sep 2001 23:30

<A HREF="http://deccanherald.com/deccanherald/sep28/ilath.htm" TARGET=_blank>Protest against proposed bio-park turns violent on UAS College campus - 100 hurt in police lathi charge</A>

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Re: The Police - once again

Postby Guest » 29 Sep 2001 19:02

Folks What about "COMMUNITY POLICING"<BR>This was an interesting concept when I talked to British folks. They found it interesting and now it is in reality working out to be a successful one. You may read BBC news about community policing.<BR>This would certainly help the police to get information about the culprits from thecommunities themselves. To some extend community itself is held responsible for what goes wrong. <BR>I still feel this is a great concept which needs to be studied and implemented.<BR>Because in Britain communities honararily as well as part time helpers assist police and also others investigators in finding theculprits.<BR>This may be of helpful to get information about terrorists and about their plans ahead of the operations.<BR>Community policing is a process that would evolve to be successful if peopleto some extent cooperate with this.

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Re: The Police - once again

Postby Sachin » 01 Oct 2001 12:11

The Kerala Police had tried to implement the community policing scheme. It might have worked very well in Britain, but it was found out that it will not work in Kerala. The reasons.<BR>1. As per the scheme, it was decided that an H.C, and an SI from local police stations, will get-together at certain main points in a locality, and gather information. This would never work out, because many people in Kerala, only think of the police when they require help. "Who will go and meet policemen, on a Sunday??" would be the standard question.<P>2. As per the scheme, a few elected people would represent the general public of a locality. These elected people, would be a main point of contact between, police men and the people. You and I know the credentials of the elected representatives :roll: Finally, it was found out that ruling party can influence these chaps, and police will get more politicised.<P>3. As per the scheme, a Head Constable is supposed to make a beat to each individual's house and collect information/feedback from citizens. The police shunned this idea, citing man power shortage.<P>I suggest that there should be a scheme, through which the common people can help the police, and without the interference of any politician or his assorted croonies. Many places do have schemes in which NCC Cadets etc. assist the police in traffic enforcement etc.

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Re: The Police - once again

Postby Guest » 03 Oct 2001 22:36

One of the major failures in the fall of WTO is that the intelligence gathering through mechanical network rather than through people or through communities. In a Post-WTO fall scenerio, I feel that we go back to square one in which you must depend on the people for intelligence in order to prevent some of these disasters. This has worked very well with some of our policing systems. But unfortunately, it is a problem for us to go back to the field to gather intelligence rather than sit in the office and find some news here and there through networks of communication. <BR>In this context community policing can play a major role not only to control crimes and maintain a neutral position but also for the intelligence gathering and keeping the community responsible for what is going on. I suppose the central government has to test this in a few places and then come out with a concrete proposal of community policing. I certainly believe that this can work with a few constitutional amendments to support the operation and linking process with judicial and with the present policing practices.

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Re: The Police - once again

Postby shim george » 15 Oct 2001 02:12

"Antiquaed gear puts police at risk" <BR> <A HREF="http://www.timesofindia.com/articleshow.asp?art_Id=1136365219" TARGET=_blank>http://www.timesofindia.com/articleshow.asp?art_Id=1136365219</A> <P> I tells how Hyderabad police cannot deal with riots. I do not know how they can survve with these coditions.<BR> <BR> Just one more question. I always hear even n the most rural villages of police catching th crooks. I mean like the Graham Staines murder they found (forgot his nme) and openly admitted that that he did it. Either our criminals are dumb or ourpolice force is smart. I have no idea how that happens. THey foild a plan to kil Tejpal Tarun and able to track militant hidouts in New Delhi. can anybody explain this?


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