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Postby ramana » 16 Jan 2012 22:22

rajanb, my point is the PN subs were already out of harbor way before the war was declared on Dec 3. Is your point that Ghazi slipped out of Karachi on Dec 3 and made its way to Vizag where it was sunk? Can you write more clearly what you want to say? KC thinks all of them were in Karachi harbor. Is that your point also?

From what I heard those days V Adm. Krishnan was told at night that the IN sonar contact with the Ghazi off the Vizag waters. He ordered it to be depth charged. Later in the day fishermen brought some flotsam and divers were sent to confirm. End of story.

later the story changed.....

Tribune link:
http://www.tribuneindia.com/2003/200308 ... /main6.htm

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Besides, this aircraft carrier’s name has been associated with a historical happening to which much publicity has not been given so far. This episode relates to the failed but well-planned attack of Pakistani submarine PNS Gazi just before the commencement of the 1971 war. The news of the deployment of India’s flagship Vikrant in the Bay of Bengal made Karachi plan a devastating pre-emptive move against INS Vikrant. The enemy planned that PNS Gazi would rush to the Bay of Bengal and target the Indian aircraft carrier.

The deployment of the submarine PNS Gazi was kept secret as a measure of utmost strategic caution. Vikrant took its position in the Andaman and Nicobar Islands. Thus, she was away from the direct gaze of the enemy intelligence as well as the international media. The strategists at Karachi guessed that Vikrant, deployed in the Bay of Bengal, was likely to visit the prime naval base at Vishakhapatnam for logistics and other support or to seek harbour protection there. PNS Gazi, therefore, chose to wait under the surface in a fully dived condition outside Vishakhapatnam harbour. Subsequent analysis of the sequence of events by defence specialists later confirmed this.

Those days, I was on duty with the Eastern Naval Command. On declaration of war at 7.30 pm, December 3, 1971, the destroyer INS Rajput was ordered to leave for the Chittagong area, with full despatch. As she raced northwards, she fired depth charges on both sides. This was done as a matter of utmost caution in the theatre of war waters likely to have enemy submarine presence. At that time, the captain of the destroyer did not realise that the routine firing of depth charges had grievously damaged the Pakistani submarine beneath. It was a prize trophy, the eventual finding of which was to be a historical and glorious achievement for the Indian Navy.

Within 40 hours, a fisherman operating close to the Bimlipattam coast reported finding a lifebouy with PNS Gazi painted on it and some other floating debris. These were personally taken to the Commander-in-Chief, Eastern Naval Command, Vice-Admiral N. Krishnan, who rewarded the fisherman suitably. In order to verify this, a team of divers was sent to the spot. Divers confirmed that the Pakistani submarine was in fact lying badly damaged on the seabed and there was no sign of life on board. It was essential to recover the ship’s log book from the sunken and dead submarine tilting on one side to ascertain the motive of the enemy ship and the route followed by her in reaching there. After weeks of preparation and at a hefty cost, divers retrieved the ship’s logbook as well the famous tapes containing the Pakistani Prime Minister’s speeches.

These, along with some other artifices, are now displayed in the Naval Museum at Vishakhapatnam. The divers, while going around the ship’s silhouette lying on the seabed and covered with mild coral growth, had noticed that some of the ship’s crew had attempted to wrongly come out of the submarine through the conning tower hatch. The Indian Government also decided that no bodies of dead naval personnel on board were to be removed ashore. The precise point where the submarine is lying has been marked on sea navigational charts by a marker bouy. Many visitors like to have a look at the sunken hull but every trip is a costly affair. The rescue vessel INS Nireekshak, commissioned recently, makes the underwater trips more organised but the cost is still beyond the reach of the common man. While the Gazi lies silent in a dark and dingy seabed, the Vikrant is majestically awaiting a new role in Mumbai .




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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby Philip » 16 Jan 2012 23:59

From my sources within the IN at the time,it was known well before hostilities that the Ghazi was being sent to sink the Vikrant.An elaborate ruse was engineered by the IN's Eastern Command to make it appear that the carrier was in the vicinity of Vizag,false commns.,heavy wireless traffic between Vizag,etc.,, when in fact it had been sent to the Andamans.A sighting/possible contact of an unknown sub was made during the night of the incident and the Rajput leaving harbour fired her depth charges.Whether the sub was sunk by a depth charge or she struck the bottom while trying to avoid them and set off an internal explosion in her forward compartment,is unknown.That she did succumb to the attack is most likely.The story of her trying to lay mines and one of her mines exploded is less likely,as if she was supposed to sink the Vikrant ,top priority,a positive identification of the carrier would be needed before launching any attack,preferably by torpedo, and therefore why would she lay mines in the harbour approaches which could sink any bumboat transiting port and warn off the Vikrant?

There were reports of the sound being heard in Vizag of an underwater explosion that night.The time of the reported explosion and attack by the Rajput must be ascertained for a better understanding of the incident.If the story is true that some of the crew tried to make their escape via the conning tower,then it is possible that the sub was first mortally damaged by the attack and that some time elapsed before the explosion which ultimately sank it took place.The IN must've conducted a full survey of the wreck,as it has acquired a lot from the wreck inclusing the sub's log and should've been able to have come to a conclusion about the sinking.

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby rajanb » 17 Jan 2012 14:33

ramana wrote:rajanb, my point is the PN subs were already out of harbor way before the war was declared on Dec 3. Is your point that Ghazi slipped out of Karachi on Dec 3 and made its way to Vizag where it was sunk? Can you write more clearly what you want to say? KC thinks all of them were in Karachi harbor. Is that your point also?

From what I heard those days V Adm. Krishnan was told at night that the IN sonar contact with the Ghazi off the Vizag waters. He ordered it to be depth charged. Later in the day fishermen brought some flotsam and divers were sent to confirm. End of story.

later the story changed.....

Tribune link:
http://www.tribuneindia.com/2003/200308 ... /main6.htm

...
Besides, this aircraft carrier’s name has been associated with a historical happening to which much publicity has not been given so far. This episode relates to the failed but well-planned attack of Pakistani submarine PNS Gazi just before the commencement of the 1971 war. The news of the deployment of India’s flagship Vikrant in the Bay of Bengal made Karachi plan a devastating pre-emptive move against INS Vikrant. The enemy planned that PNS Gazi would rush to the Bay of Bengal and target the Indian aircraft carrier.

The deployment of the submarine PNS Gazi was kept secret as a measure of utmost strategic caution. Vikrant took its position in the Andaman and Nicobar Islands. Thus, she was away from the direct gaze of the enemy intelligence as well as the international media. The strategists at Karachi guessed that Vikrant, deployed in the Bay of Bengal, was likely to visit the prime naval base at Vishakhapatnam for logistics and other support or to seek harbour protection there. PNS Gazi, therefore, chose to wait under the surface in a fully dived condition outside Vishakhapatnam harbour. Subsequent analysis of the sequence of events by defence specialists later confirmed this.

Those days, I was on duty with the Eastern Naval Command. On declaration of war at 7.30 pm, December 3, 1971, the destroyer INS Rajput was ordered to leave for the Chittagong area, with full despatch. As she raced northwards, she fired depth charges on both sides. This was done as a matter of utmost caution in the theatre of war waters likely to have enemy submarine presence. At that time, the captain of the destroyer did not realise that the routine firing of depth charges had grievously damaged the Pakistani submarine beneath. It was a prize trophy, the eventual finding of which was to be a historical and glorious achievement for the Indian Navy.

Within 40 hours, a fisherman operating close to the Bimlipattam coast reported finding a lifebouy with PNS Gazi painted on it and some other floating debris. These were personally taken to the Commander-in-Chief, Eastern Naval Command, Vice-Admiral N. Krishnan, who rewarded the fisherman suitably. In order to verify this, a team of divers was sent to the spot. Divers confirmed that the Pakistani submarine was in fact lying badly damaged on the seabed and there was no sign of life on board. It was essential to recover the ship’s log book from the sunken and dead submarine tilting on one side to ascertain the motive of the enemy ship and the route followed by her in reaching there. After weeks of preparation and at a hefty cost, divers retrieved the ship’s logbook as well the famous tapes containing the Pakistani Prime Minister’s speeches.

These, along with some other artifices, are now displayed in the Naval Museum at Vishakhapatnam. The divers, while going around the ship’s silhouette lying on the seabed and covered with mild coral growth, had noticed that some of the ship’s crew had attempted to wrongly come out of the submarine through the conning tower hatch. The Indian Government also decided that no bodies of dead naval personnel on board were to be removed ashore. The precise point where the submarine is lying has been marked on sea navigational charts by a marker bouy. Many visitors like to have a look at the sunken hull but every trip is a costly affair. The rescue vessel INS Nireekshak, commissioned recently, makes the underwater trips more organised but the cost is still beyond the reach of the common man. While the Gazi lies silent in a dark and dingy seabed, the Vikrant is majestically awaiting a new role in Mumbai .





Ramana, my apologies. Let me slow down and rephrase what I was told.

PNS Ghazi left Karachi before the Paki planned outbreak of hostilities. It was also sighted off the coast of Sri Lanka, before being detected @Vizag

On the morning of the 3rd December it was detected off the Indian coast @Vizag. A signal was sent to NHQ. Vizag was asked to continue trackicg and standby. The signal to attack Ghazi was given the same evening at the outbreak of hostilities.

A few life jackets were found the next day. Confirmation of it being sunk came later.

The '71 war saw a quantitative and qualitative leap in humint from Pakistan because of the fact that the PA/PN/PAF had Bangladeshi personnel who though in uniform had shifted their loyalties because of what the PA was doing in East Pakistan. I was told that information about the date and time of attack by the Purest of Armd Forces was also known to IG. Any action by us before the Pure attacked us would have alerted them and could have made them change their plans. Plans which we were somewhat aware of. And a counter strategy was in place, by us.

I had the pleasure of dining with a retired Bangladeshi Colonel (in 1996) who had been in the Pure Armed Forces, subsequently settled in Dhaka, who was confined to barracks in West Pakistan as soon hostilities broke out and he was waxing eloquent about how they were trying to get even for the atrocities being commited in erstwhile East Pakistan. The Bengalis in West Pakistan were repatriated to Bangladesh after the hostilities ended.

Pakistan countered the threat by sending the submarine PNS Ghazi, which sank en route under mysterious circumstances off Vishakapatnam's coast[51][52] reducing Pakistan's control of Bangladeshi coastline
from

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Pakistani_War_of_1971 is all bull!

If you peruse this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Chengiz_Khan you will find that the IAF had removed all its air assets. From the airfields that the Porkis attacked. Unlike in 1965 where they damaged/destroyed quite a few a/c on the ground
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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby Austin » 17 Jan 2012 14:45

Sevmash: Russia will give India an aircraft carrier "Vikramaditya" in December 2012

Russia will give India a modernized aircraft carrier "Vikramaditya" (formerly "Admiral Gorshkov") 4 December 2012, told RIA Novosti on Tuesday, Deputy Director for Military-Technical Cooperation of the plant, "Sevmash", where the upgraded ship, Sergei Novoselov .

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby uddu » 17 Jan 2012 18:28

Akash? :eek: If it is Akash for ships above 3000tons then Image ImageJingo Kush hua.

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby Aditya_V » 17 Jan 2012 19:49

uddu wrote:Akash? :eek: If it is Akash for ships above 3000tons then Image ImageJingo Kush hua.


I doubt the 25km range of Akash will be good enough for the Navy though. Besides the Navy is already committed to Barak-8.

Ships have limited space and you cant have Barak-1, barak-8 and Akash on them.

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby Philip » 18 Jan 2012 19:05

Longevity of the TU-142 and its unmatched capabilities,still going strong,albeit some problems,expected to serve Russia for another 25 years.Why the IN is also going to upgrade/operate its TU-142s even while acquiring P-8Is.

http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htnava ... 20118.aspx

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Norway Rejoices

January 18, 2012: Russia has leveled off its efforts to restore the Cold War level of long-range maritime reconnaissance. This can be seen in the number of times Norwegian F-16s were scrambled to intercept Russian aircraft headed out over the North Atlantic. Last there were 34 such incidents, compared to 36 in 2010. In 2006, there were only 13 incidents, but that peaked at 47 in 2007, when Russia announced that its Cold War era levels of maritime reconnaissance were returning.
To make this increased Russian patrol activity happen, fifteen of the elderly Tu-142M3 reconnaissance aircraft have been refurbished, updated and put back to work. The Tu-142 is an unarmed maritime patrol aircraft that, in the last five years, have resumed long range patrols. Such activity had been halted in the early 1990s.

The Tu-142, which was introduced in the 1970s, is the patrol version of the Tu-95 heavy bomber. This aircraft entered service over half a century ago, and is expected to remain in service, along with the Tu-142 variant, for another quarter century. But these elderly aircraft are increasingly expensive to maintain, and prone to developing unexpected problems.

Over 500 Tu-95s were built, and it is the largest and fastest turboprop aircraft in service. Russia still maintains a force of 60 Tu-95s, but has dozens in storage, which can be restored to service as either a bomber or a Tu-142. The 188 ton aircraft has flight crew consisting of a pilot, copilot, engineer and radioman, and an unrefueled range of 15,000 kilometers. Max speed is 925 kilometers an hour, while cruising speed is 440 kilometers an hour. Originally designed as a nuclear bomber, the Tu-142 version still can carry up to ten tons of weapons (torpedoes, mines, depth charges, anti-ship missiles, sonobuoys) and a lot more sensors (naval search radar, electronic monitoring gear). There are two 23mm autocannon mounted in the rear of the aircraft. The mission crew of a Tu-142 usually consists of eight personnel, who operate the radars and other electronic equipment. Patrol flights for the Tu-142 can last twelve hours or more, especially when in-flight refueling is used. Maximum altitude is over 14,000 meters (45,000 feet), although the aircraft flies much lower when searching for submarines. Russia required aircraft like these for patrolling the vast expanses of the North Atlantic and North Pacific.


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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby Cybaru » 18 Jan 2012 22:41

Those 8 would be very useful if totally revamped and new radars and equipment added.

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby Tanaji » 19 Jan 2012 02:59

Philip wrote:Longevity of the TU-142 and its unmatched capabilities,still going strong,albeit some problems,expected to serve Russia for another 25 years.Why the IN is also going to upgrade/operate its TU-142s even while acquiring P-8Is.

http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htnava ... 20118.aspx



Werent there major issues with the Sea dragon upgrade and that it failed to live up to the specifications? Were they ever fixed?

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby NRao » 19 Jan 2012 06:22

Cybaru wrote:Those 8 would be very useful if totally revamped and new radars and equipment added.



Howdy CY,

Among others: Dec 5, 2011 :: Last Indian Navy Tu-142ME Overhaul Completed

In additional to maintenance work, the aircraft have undergone a service life extension programme, including some equipment upgrading, which should see them remain in service until 2020.


For what it is worth.

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby Philip » 19 Jan 2012 07:05

Sea Dragon ,on IL-38s,not TU-142s non-performance was the subject of a CAG report.It appears that the problems have been rectified as there has been little further reports of problems.Some reports say that the Bears will be able to serve upto 2026.This appears poss. if the report that Russian Bears will last out for another 25 years,and with "dozens" mothballed in storage,the Russians can every decade,just keep on inducting their new Bears to last out the century! Just like a carrier,which gets "rebirth" every time a new advanced aircraft is inducted,it is the sensors and eqpt. and weaponry on aircraft like the Bears that matter,provided that there is life in their airframes.

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby Singha » 19 Jan 2012 07:53

we skipped a full mission eqpt upg on Tu142 because Rus wanted $900 mil for it. what is being done is just a airframe and engine overhaul...

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby NRao » 19 Jan 2012 08:03

I very much doubt that the IN (as an example) comfort level can be derived from that of the RuN. They may decide to keep these planes for another 25 years. That should mean nothing to the IN. While it may mean a great deal to the RuN.

The era where Indian forces decided on getting off-the-shelf items based on what other nations could provide, I feel, is gone. And, it is not a reflection on what other nations do or think.

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby Philip » 19 Jan 2012 08:25

I agree.We do not have a hangar full of mothballed/new Bears which can be brought out to perform when needed.Anyway,2020/26 is a long,way away and by then,one imagines long endurance ,UAVs/UCAVs will replace large LRMP manned aircraft like the Bears.We may even see many vintage aircraft being turned into unmanned versions.

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

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Postby Austin » 20 Jan 2012 16:36

Russia will give India nuclear submarine "Nerpa" on January 23

Nuclear submarine (NS) "Seal" will be transferred to India on January 23, official ceremony will be held in Bolshoi Kamen (Primorye), told RIA Novosti on Friday, a senior official of the United Shipbuilding Corporation (USC).

"" Nerpa "will be transferred to India on January 23. During the official ceremony at the" Star "in the Maritime region will be signed by the relevant documents, and on the submarine will be hoisted the flag of the Indian Navy," - said the source.

The ceremony will be attended by the head of the USC Roman Trotsenko, Deputy General Director of "Rosoboronexport" Ivan Goncharenko, representatives of the Russian Navy Command and Pacific Fleet.

The representative of USC said that at the end of December 2011 Russia and India signed a technical document on full completion of the test cycle the ship . Delhi then expressed satisfaction with the test works and expressed readiness to take the boat into service.

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby Philip » 20 Jan 2012 18:50

So will we see a foat of the Chakra at the RD parade? Will we get a bonus by the announcement of the winner of the MMRCA too? The MOD es[erately needs to show some reason fustifying its existence!

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby dinesha » 23 Jan 2012 08:40

Russia Hands Over Nerpa Nuclear Sub to India
http://en.ria.ru/mlitary_news/20120123/170896950.html

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby sum » 23 Jan 2012 08:43

^^ Is the Mithai handover( with weight equal to displacement of the Nerpa) ceremony in BRF also over?

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby Austin » 23 Jan 2012 10:22

So finally it was handed over to us , I hope they will show us some pictures of INS Chakra with IN Flag over it.

I hope it starts sailing soon for India.......... Pretty certain NATO ships and subs will be waiting to tail her on her journey to desh.

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Postby Prem » 23 Jan 2012 10:33

Cant find the appropriate thread.
Battle for control of Asia’s seas goes underwater
http://articles.boston.com/2012-01-19/n ... s-chakra/2
It’s getting a bit more crowded under the sea in Asia, where Andrew Peterson commands one of the world’s mightiest weapons: a $2 billion nuclear submarine with unrivaled stealth and missiles that can devastate targets hundreds of miles (kilometers) away.China is pouring money into enlarging and modernizing its fleet, and India is planning to get a nuclear-powered attack submarine — the INS Chakra — on a 10-year lease from Russia as early as this month.Australia is debating its most-expensive defense project ever — a submarine upgrade that could cost more than 36 billion dollars.Japan is adding another eight to its 16-boat fleet. South Korea is selling them to Indonesia. Malaysia, Pakistan, the Philippines, Vietnam, Thailand, Singapore, Taiwan and even Bangladesh either now have or are planning to acquire subs.
With the decline of Russia, the U.S. remains the top nation with a significant capability to operate submarines in the open seas — a crucial advantage if Washington wants to maintain its role in keeping key sea lanes and chokepoints like the Malacca Strait, which connects the Indian Ocean to the western Pacific, free for commercial trade.The U.S. Navy’s blue water superiority is likely to continue for the foreseeable future. Peterson, the Oklahoma City skipper, said the Navy’s workhorse Los Angeles-class subs remain a cut above the rest. “The beauty is that they are still the state of the art.’’ut, closer to shore, China is challenging the status quo.“China has put a major emphasis on submarines, with the result that the PLA Navy submarine force is now, along with the Chinese missile forces, one of the sharpest arrows in China’s quiver of military capabilities,’’ Goldstein said.China now has more than 60 subs in its navy, including nine that are nuclear-powered, according to the Pentagon’s annual overview last year.
Its mainstay boats are diesel-powered Song-class vessels, but it also is developing more advanced nuclear-powered attack and ballistic submarines, including the Jin class that would carry missiles with a range of 4,600 miles (7,400 kilometers). Nuclear-powered subs can operate longer submerged than their diesel counterparts.
China has a long way to go to match the U.S. Navy — the advanced Jin subs, for example, would have to be well into the Japan Sea for the continental United States to be within their range — and Goldstein said that Beijing’s threat has been overblown.To keep its edge, however, the United States now has more submarines in the Pacific than in the Atlantic. With the military missions in Iraq and Afghanistan wrapping up, the Obama administration has also announced a “pivot to the Pacific’’ strategy that will likely further boost U.S. naval resources in the region.Even so, China is just one player in an increasingly complicated game.“Everybody’s buying subs, but not for the same reasons,’’ said Owen Cote, associate director of MIT’s Security Studies Program.

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby negi » 23 Jan 2012 10:35

I fear that Rakman has pulled a Rosonboronexport on us. :evil:

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby Singha » 23 Jan 2012 10:41

Kilo class subs can be transported easily by these special ships.
http://www.bellona.org/imagearchive/doc ... nsport.jpg

while the above ship is too small for Akula, if you recall the USS Cole was loaded on a bigger ship of similar style and sent back to US. it can take a Akula for sure.
http://www.pianoladynancy.com/recovery_usscole.htm

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby Rupesh » 23 Jan 2012 15:34

Russia hands over Nerpa nuclear submarine to India

MOSCOW: Russia's K-152 Nerpa nuclear-powered attack submarine has been handed over to the Indian Navy, a RIA Novosti correspondent reported Monday.

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby SNaik » 23 Jan 2012 15:38

Rupesh wrote:Russia hands over Nerpa nuclear submarine to India

MOSCOW: Russia's K-152 Nerpa nuclear-powered attack submarine has been handed over to the Indian Navy, a RIA Novosti correspondent reported Monday.


Media were banned from the ceremony at a request from Indian side.

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Postby Philip » 23 Jan 2012 16:34

The only accurate pic of the sub is in a Rusian website showng the sub in drydock during it construction,pic taken from the stern.The fin and TAS pod cannot be identified,which would show whether it is an Ak-2 or 3 series.No doubt sat pics of the same whch will no doubt be in the hands of the world's intel agencies will reveal a lot more including tny details of sensors,etc.,which may be peculiar to the sub in Q.Given the intervening years since the class was first inducted,it is most likely that the sub has taken advantage of inducting some advanced eqpt. which has since been developed,and if as has been mentioned,the sub is to be used to train nuclear submariners for the ATV,will have some common eqpt.

Barring the USN's nuclear subs operating out of DG,the Chakra will be the most advanced sub in the entire IOR.Let's hope at least one more is on its way in the not too distant future.

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby Austin » 23 Jan 2012 17:04

SNaik wrote:Media were banned from the ceremony at a request from Indian side.


Sad , Hopefully GOI PIB has some photos for us

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby Snehashis » 23 Jan 2012 17:47

Are we getting the Irbis ? There was some Russian sites claiming we are getting 2 Akulas.

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby Aditya G » 23 Jan 2012 20:48

The wait has been excruciating.

Last 10-12 years have seen Su-30MKI, AJT inducted, Hunters retired, AWACS inducted, refuellers and even ATV floated.

None of these got me any mithai :((

Austin wrote:So finally it was handed over to us , I hope they will show us some pictures of INS Chakra with IN Flag over it.

I hope it starts sailing soon for India.......... Pretty certain NATO ships and subs will be waiting to tail her on her journey to desh.

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Aditya G wrote:The wait has been excruciating.

Last 10-12 years have seen Su-30MKI, AJT inducted, Hunters retired, AWACS inducted, refuellers and even ATV floated.

None of these got me any mithai :((

Austin wrote:So finally it was handed over to us , I hope they will show us some pictures of INS Chakra with IN Flag over it.

I hope it starts sailing soon for India.......... Pretty certain NATO ships and subs will be waiting to tail her on her journey to desh.


Why You ? We All we get the promised mithai from one Mr R Koshy
Rakesh is under training in Russia, for he past 3 days.
Training on how to delay and put the the blame on others.

So
You will definitely get the mithai
You will definitely get mithai in a nice box

BUT YOU WILL HAVE TO PAY FOR THE BOX !!!!!!!!!

The cost of the box was not included in the initial estimate.

And you will have to pay for the cables er.. sorry string for tying the box. Please please no puns intended.

The mithai will be purchased AND distributed, free of cost from RK-BRF Sweets & Mithai Inc, at Saskaton, Sasketchewan. It can be sent to anybody related to BRF.

BUT YOU WILL HAVE TO PAY THE COURIER CHARGES OF APPRX. C$ 75/KG !!!!!!!!!


And the mithai has already been ordered. But RK-BRF Sweets & Mithai Inc, at Saskaton, Sasketchewan is a highly reputed mithai supplier. He is booked for the next 11 years.

SO YOU WILL GET THE MITHAI IN 2023 !!!!!!!!!

Regards
K

PS. Rakesh has learnt a lot in his short stay in Rodina

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby Philip » 24 Jan 2012 07:15

Kersi,please also remember-and it is why he is welshing on the deal,claiming that the offer was for the arrival of "two Akulas",not one! Nvertheless,as reported today,negotiations are going on for a second.Perhaps Adm.Koshy is indeed part of the negotiating team to see that the promised mithai (part of his commission) comes along with the second sub.However,we have a message for the good admiral.We would be most happy to have half the qty. promised right now as one sub has been delivered!

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby Rakesh » 24 Jan 2012 08:25

Is this really an Akula-II? No mithai without Nerpa being Akula-II!!! :)

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby Philip » 24 Jan 2012 08:28

Adm.K.,you appear to be sweating! That certainly looks like an Ak-2.But is it the Chakra? The Ak-3 has the absence of the TAS pod,with a much smaller cylinder atop the fin,as the large pod interfered with the sub's clean wake.

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby Austin » 24 Jan 2012 10:05

Thats certainly an Akula-2 but just the absense or presence of pod wont make it Akula-3 , if they add that pod to Akula-1 it wont become a Akula-3 either , what would matter is what went inside the sub , exterior wont say much and we wont know whats inside.

Rakesh i prefer cash over sweets :)

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby Will » 24 Jan 2012 11:27

The TOI reports that India is negotating for a second nuke sub form Russia. Heard this after a longtime after initial reports. Wonder how far its true. While they are at it they should just go ahead and lease a total of 5. :mrgreen:


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