Indian Naval Discussion

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby alexis » 15 Oct 2012 14:10

RIP :(

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby member_23844 » 15 Oct 2012 14:30

very sad.... :-(
can't they have better machines for these brave men

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby Pratyush » 15 Oct 2012 14:52

rohitdkx wrote:very sad.... :-(
can't they have better machines for these brave men


:roll: :roll:


The Indian armed forces have been using these machines safely for years. Why the accident happened in some thing that is not known at the moment. We will be well served to wait for the accident investigation and corrective measure, if any, to be take. Before reaching for such judgement.

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby sarabpal.s » 15 Oct 2012 15:06

shiv aroor attributing to mechanical failure.(on Twitter)

R.I.P.

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby vasu raya » 16 Oct 2012 07:24

Always assumed that the choppers fly at a minimum altitude where a engine failure can give them a chance to auto rotate down more in the case of a single engine ones, not to mention avoidance of obstacles in urban areas

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby Singha » 16 Oct 2012 07:50

rajat pandit is at it again, throwing in "inadequate pilot training" and "shoddy maintainence" with the old copters thing to burnish his sikular credentials in TOI.

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby vasu raya » 20 Oct 2012 09:27

Currency useful in South East Asia:

Reducing the oil dependency of A&N island chain, a proposal was for captive power generation in the form of offshore wind turbines along the long island coast, it will also be backed by gas turbines like the LM2500 during emergencies, now if the magnitude of power generation is high roping in companies such as Suzlon, it can be exported to South East Asian nations (power currency) as well as via an undersea power cable can be connected to Burma from the northern tip of the island chain. A power transmission line running parallel to the proposed international rail line could then be connected to the Indian grid in the North East.

Also helping would be the LCMs seen on Jalashwa, they could redesign these LCMs into catamaran hulls and giving them enough endurance to connect all the A&N islands. The LCMs payload capability is sufficient for most tasks including the specialized task of hosting the LM2500 turbine placed in a standard shipping container. Heard of old Russian nuclear subs powering port cities.

It would be a good day when the KMGT or marine kaveri comes online and as a bonus if the LCMs are designed as fast attack craft to carry containers of VLS cells?


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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby nakul » 20 Oct 2012 23:26

Former Sri Lankan Navy flag
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Current Sri Lankan Navy Flag
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I hope we change our current flag to something similar (as the Sri Lankans have done). The current one is too colonial.

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby SKrishna » 20 Oct 2012 23:51

nakul wrote:Former Sri Lankan Navy flag
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Current Sri Lankan Navy Flag
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I hope we change our current flag to something similar (as the Sri Lankans have done). The current one is too colonial.


We did change it from
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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby nakul » 20 Oct 2012 23:54

The current flag is
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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby vasu raya » 21 Oct 2012 00:19

The timing of such symbolism would have been most appropriate when they were claiming aid to India which helps run IN etc

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby nakul » 21 Oct 2012 00:22

The symbol is the flag of England. We have done away with them in India when we became independent. We do not owe our marine traditions to the British. The ancient Indians have been doing it for millenia. The flag misplaces our naval origin. It should be rooted in our tradition, not British.

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby Gurinder P » 21 Oct 2012 06:25

nakul wrote:The symbol is the flag of England. We have done away with them in India when we became independent. We do not owe our marine traditions to the British. The ancient Indians have been doing it for millenia. The flag misplaces our naval origin. It should be rooted in our tradition, not British.


If the IN changed its ensign then the army should abandon the bagpipes and tartans. India's modern army owes its roots back to the British Raj, who incorporated any tactics, armies and traditions it felt worthy to assimilate from the various kingdoms in India.

Going back to changing the ensign, which kingdoms colors would you choose? Choosing moghul will anger a lot of religions in India, and choosing other kingdoms will create friction between certain ethnic groups. Atleast the White Ensign shows the IN holds traditions from a fine naval force from back in the day. Plus th British were cruel to all Indians equally.

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby Aditya G » 21 Oct 2012 09:43

nakul wrote:The symbol is the flag of England. We have done away with them in India when we became independent. We do not owe our marine traditions to the British. The ancient Indians have been doing it for millenia. The flag misplaces our naval origin. It should be rooted in our tradition, not British.


Your Navy is a product of British Raj over India and that is a simple truth. What traditions does our Navy inherit from our forefathers?

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby Hitesh » 21 Oct 2012 10:31

Aditya G wrote:
nakul wrote:The symbol is the flag of England. We have done away with them in India when we became independent. We do not owe our marine traditions to the British. The ancient Indians have been doing it for millenia. The flag misplaces our naval origin. It should be rooted in our tradition, not British.


Your Navy is a product of British Raj over India and that is a simple truth. What traditions does our Navy inherit from our forefathers?


[Darth Vader's voice ON]I find your lack of knowledge disturbing.... The Chola Empire had one of the most glorious maritime traditions and history in the world.[Darth Vader's voice OFF]

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby Philip » 21 Oct 2012 13:10

Oh Dear! For the umpteenth time.The flag was not too long ago changed to that of a red background with the Indian flag inset in a quarter,but the visibility of it was so poor on the high seas that the IN reverted back to its original flag which it uses today.The MOD/GOI concurred and there ends the matter.It is sheer operational practicality behind its use and not any bowing and scraping to the colonial era,which we have after 60+ years of Independence have left way behind.

Moreover,let us never forget that it was under this very flag that the glorious victories of the IN in the '71 war were won! The pulverising of Karachi,sinking of the PNS Ghazi and carrier stikes on E.Pak ports and bases were all obtained while IN warships flew this great flag.To abandon it would be an act of disrespect to the great traditions and history of the In especially in Independent India.May it fly forever to bring us even greater glorious victories in the future!

Now for news.

http://www.militaryaerospace.com/news/2 ... craft.html

Raytheon supplies Mk-54 Torpedoes for Indian Navy aircraft
October 20, 2012

New Delhi, Oct. 20 -- The US Navy has begun acquiring the sophisticated lightweight air-launched Mk-54 torpedoes from the US weapon maker Raytheon for the Indian Navy.

A company spokesperson told India Strategic magazine ( www.indiastrategic.in ) from Tewksbury in the US that the US Navy has placed an order for the torpedoes and associated equipment worth $45.3 million for the Indian and Australian navies. The breakup of numbers and respective costs was not given,

The Indian Navy will deploy the missiles on its eight P-8I long-range maritime reconnaissance aircraft being built and integrated by Boeing. The torpedoes are primarily meant for hunting submarines.

The aircraft will also carry Boeing's Harpoon Block II anti-ship missiles and other offensive systems, including the highly advanced Raytheon APY-10 radar to track even small vessels far away. Its range though is classified but should be between 300 to 400 km.

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby Indranil » 22 Oct 2012 08:23

^^^ And where is your civility shriman?

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby Gurinder P » 22 Oct 2012 08:59

P.Bhagat wrote:
Gurinder P wrote:
If the IN changed its ensign then the army should abandon the bagpipes and tartans. India's modern army owes its roots back to the British Raj, who incorporated any tactics, armies and traditions it felt worthy to assimilate from the various kingdoms in India.

Going back to changing the ensign, which kingdoms colors would you choose? Choosing moghul will anger a lot of religions in India, and choosing other kingdoms will create friction between certain ethnic groups. Atleast the White Ensign shows the IN holds traditions from a fine naval force from back in the day. Plus th British were cruel to all Indians equally.

Forgot to see you belong to kaneda, the ass licker of britardistan.... never seen a more pathetic country that can do anything to lick queen's ass :rotfl:


We Canadians, gained our independence from England via very amicable diplomacy. Kind of like a father letting his son go free after the offspring has been reared and thus mutual friendship, relationship and lineage is maintained. We are very proud of our heritage and we pledge our allegiance to the Crown with pride. We have our own constitution and our own laws, and embrace diversity with open arms. Thank you for the comment above.

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby Austin » 22 Oct 2012 09:34

No point discussing Flag ,we have been through before and tsarkar had put of the reason why it is so.

No point discussing Kennda or the Queen its a waste of bandwidth.

Let get on with Naval topics

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby Aditya_V » 22 Oct 2012 10:57



from the link

The Indian variant also has an aft APS-143C(V)3 Multi-Mode Radar (MMR) from Telephonics to ensure 360 degree coverage and a transponder beacon from DRS Technologies, both US companies.



Anyone knows about the performance of this Radar.

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby Aditya_V » 22 Oct 2012 11:07

Intresting tidbit from the Telephonics website regarding the radar

APS-143C(V)3/OceanEyeTM
Maritime Surveillance Imaging and Tracking Radar System


Low Probability of Intercept features: sector blanking,
PRF jitter, frequency agility, low sidelobe antenna

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby Amitabh » 22 Oct 2012 15:41

P.Bhagat wrote:
Aditya G wrote:Your Navy is a product of British Raj over India and that is a simple truth. What traditions does our Navy inherit from our forefathers?


Who are you? and why are you here if you are not Indian? Also, this bullshit has to stop, we have already seen your "knowledge" about India. Indian navy is a by-product of Chola empire, Shivaji's navy and other kingdoms of the ancient India. There are some traditions that are still followed that belongs to ancient Indian. Don't know why idiots like you aren't banned yet.... :roll:

Our of curiosity could you list the pre-colonial naval traditions that the Indian Navy currently observes?

I can think of launching ships by breaking coconuts (vis-a-vis champagne bottles) but that is not specifically a naval tradition.

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby merlin » 22 Oct 2012 16:32

Aditya_V wrote:Intresting tidbit from the Telephonics website regarding the radar

APS-143C(V)3/OceanEyeTM
Maritime Surveillance Imaging and Tracking Radar System


Low Probability of Intercept features: sector blanking,
PRF jitter, frequency agility, low sidelobe antenna


We are more than likely to get the monkey models without the higher tech features. Won't be surprised to see that LPI features are absent.

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby Krishnakg » 22 Oct 2012 19:36

Some of the BR jingo's need to reign in their horses and learn to observe civility in public forums. BR attracts worldwide audience both participating and non participating. One doesn't need to agree to what others write, but you can express your disagreement without stooping to degrading the other person or his country. I see the moderator has done his job. Respect.

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby SNaik » 23 Oct 2012 14:27

Delivery of F 46 Tarkash set for November 9.

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby vishvak » 24 Oct 2012 11:17

Just to note: Indian Navy during times of Shivaji himself grew by leaps and bounds, from shipyards in places to shipyards for repair, not to forget hundreds each of merchant vessels and naval ships of warfare and explicit support and so on. That is not too far back in history and only by one Maratha Chhatrapati.

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby nakul » 24 Oct 2012 11:21

^^^
Don't worry. Some people would go on to say that Russia gave us our tradition since we buy their hardware. We all know that Vikramadtiya is just Gorshkov with a new coat of paint, yada yada

INS Vikramaditya
Some screenshots from this video have already been posted here. Here is the video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qO3_sBOcKkQ

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby member_20453 » 24 Oct 2012 14:37

We are more than likely to get the monkey models without the higher tech features. Won't be surprised to see that LPI features are absent.[/quote]


We get the whole thing, the things left out due to CISMOA are the ones being replaced by BEL and other home made stuff.

I think we would need around 36 to 40 of P-8I, 12 being used for defence of our waters and another 28 or so for offensive roles. Without adequate numbers we won't be able to provide a wide enough security net across the Indian ocean.

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby nakul » 24 Oct 2012 14:40

^^^

Monkey model, it is. CISMOA doesn't make a huge difference since US munnas don't get the latest tech. The shock & awe stuff shown on Discovery Channel is reserved for the US only. For the rest of the world, they "decide" the technical requirements.

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby member_23370 » 24 Oct 2012 19:35

I doubt IN will buy more than 16. Rest will be the MRMP based on some European platform. Its better to diversify than depend on a unreliable source.

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby Shrinivasan » 25 Oct 2012 03:21

SNaik wrote:Delivery of F 46 Tarkash set for November 9.

this is a good news...looking forward to more tests of VL Brahmos from INS Tarkash... Shanno Varuna!!

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby Shrinivasan » 25 Oct 2012 03:23

Bheeshma wrote:I doubt IN will buy more than 16. Rest will be the MRMP based on some European platform. Its better to diversify than depend on a unreliable source.
I think the IN would go for atleast 24 P8-is, even the MRMP could be a dummed down P8-i, similar range with lesser payload.

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby Austin » 25 Oct 2012 09:53

Some rare footage of Klub being fired from VLS and hitting its target Vertically ( starts at 1:05 to 1:15 )

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hy1Q9u9Hxc

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby member_20453 » 25 Oct 2012 13:32

nakul wrote:^^^

Monkey model, it is. CISMOA doesn't make a huge difference since US munnas don't get the latest tech. The shock & awe stuff shown on Discovery Channel is reserved for the US only. For the rest of the world, they "decide" the technical requirements.


http://livefist.blogspot.be/2012/07/wit ... -p-8i.html

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articl ... et-368276/

Silly comment. As clearly mentioned the items due to lack of CISMOA are the IFF, data links, coms and sat terminals. Indian suppliers have plugged the missing pieces other than that the both the Martime and Aft radars are full-spec. The IN wouldn't have bought it if it wasn't anything but fullspec in those areas.

http://www.brahmand.com/news/Raytheon-t ... /1/10.html

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articl ... as-337974/

Matter of fact even the USN won't have the same kind of radar because we will have A2A modes in the APY-10 on the P-8I. combine that with the telephonics and we have a platform even more capable than the USN's standard P-8A.

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby nakul » 25 Oct 2012 14:12

Silly reply. Nothing you said refutes my point. The US stuff is only for itself. CISMOA gets you more goodies but even that will not get you anywhere as close.

http://theasiandefence.blogspot.in/2010 ... ional.html

They have different radars for international customers. The downgraded version is branded as international version or export version. This is another of those marketing words such as US selling monkey models to Australia in the Growler under the pretext that "it is sufficient to meet the threat environment of the customer." If you have been following the MMRCA dhaaga, you would know that US is usually known to decide the technical requirements of the customer.

http://www.raytheon.com/capabilities/products/apy10/

The AN/APY-10 leverages more than 40 years of Raytheon expertise and innovation in maritime and overland surveillance systems. Raytheon has delivered more than 1,900 maritime radars for a variety of platforms worldwide. Raytheon’s AN/APY-10 radar for the U.S. Navy’s P-8A Poseidon provides superior maritime, littoral and overland surveillance capabilities for assured anti-submarine warfare, anti-surface warfare, and intelligence, reconnaissance and surveillance mission support. An exportable system design, the AN/APY-10(I) is available for certain international customers, providing comparable radar performance.


AN/APY-10(I) is the monkey version of AN/APY-10, the latter is US onleee

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby sum » 25 Oct 2012 14:14

Matter of fact even the USN won't have the same kind of radar because we will have A2A modes in the APY-10 on the P-8I. combine that with the telephonics and we have a platform even more capable than the USN's standard P-8A.

Do you really believe that to be true?

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby Dennis » 25 Oct 2012 14:49

I'd refer Septimus P. to the discussion on the APY-10I near the bottom half of this page: Link

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby kit » 25 Oct 2012 16:10

plus they dont allow any modifications to their software already installed., warranty becomes void if you do something like rooting an android phone :mrgreen: .Regular checkups :shock: are done to see if their soft/hard ware is modified in any way just to ensure that their 'threat environment' remains the same.

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby aakashj » 25 Oct 2012 18:04

Dennis wrote:I'd refer Septimus P. to the discussion on the APY-10I near the bottom half of this page: Link


http://apps.fcc.gov/els/GetAtt.html?id=115126&x=.

This document has all the specs with respect to each mode.


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