TSarkar you seem to have gone on complete defensive
Yes, for something dear to the heart
Naam, Namak and Nishan
negi wrote:Btw Indians send their kids to English medium schools out of NECESSITY for that is the language most of the civilized world communicates in and hence it is an automatic choice.
Exactly, just like the English Education Methodology
empowers Indian kids to better face the world and go about their “business & operations”, similarly Royal Navy Professionalism, Values, Qualities, etc, if I may call it Military Organization Methodology
similarly empowered Indian Navy to better face the world and go about their “business & operations”.Again, its respect & honour for the “methodology” and values, not for the geography, ethnicity or religion.
negi wrote:Btw as far as IN and it's cherished history is concerned does it only go back to 1612 ?
Yes my friend, since there was sore lack of ethos before that. Let me explain by the following example.
Kanhoji Angre built a strong Navy, but passed the leadership to his sons. They fought for power. The loser son sought Peshwa’s help who sought British help and, as a consequence, Kanhoji Angre’s Navy was shattered in a few years.So Kanhoji Angre’s Navy, despite its other sterling qualities, for the flaw of nepotism, cannot be the guiding light for the Indian Navy.
Royal Navy association, after 1612, introduced the concept of meritocracy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naval_tact ... ge_of_Sail
So, 1612 and White Ensign respects and honours, among another qualities, meritocracy. Show me, forum members, examples of any Indian military leader who promoted meritocracy over nepotism.
The Royal Navy by contrast was well served by many distinguished commanders of middle-class origin, such as Horatio Nelson (son of a parson), Jervis (son of a solicitor) or Collingwood (son of a butcher) as well as by aristocrats who proved themselves at sea such as Thomas Cochrane and even members of the working-class, such as John Benbow.
Did Guru Drona promote meritocracy by respecting Eklavya’s capabilities over the royal progeny? Did Shri Krishna promote meritocracy by respecting Karna’s capabilities over the rest of the Pandavas? I would rather respect and honour the White Ensign for establishing meritocracy in the Indian military organization than Guru Drona or even Shri Krishna.
abhishek_sharma wrote:Did the British allow Indians to reach the highest levels in the Navy?
Yes, my friend, they did allow military leadership to Indians. While standard military leadership might have been denied earlier for political reasons, the British established a parallel leadership structure via Non Commissioned Officers, who provided equal leadership to the military organization. Every Ship or Division/Brigade/Battalion/Company commander respects NCOs who equally led men to battle. Senior NCO’s were also paid well.http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/Histo ... ilots.html
IAF Squadron Commander's conference in 1944. Standing (L to R): Flt. Lt. Kipps, Wg. Cdr. Fish, Sqn. Ldr. Arjan Singh, Sqn. Ldr. Upton, Sqn. Ldr. Haider, Gp. Capt. HJC Proud, Sqn. Ldr. Prithpal Singh, Wg. Cdr. Subroto Mukherjee, Sqn. Ldr. Majithia, Sqn. Ldr. Niranjan Prasad and Wg. Cdr. Coot Robinson. Sitting (L to R): 'Jumbo' Majumdar, Mehar Singh and Hem Chaudhuri.
I dont find any of these honourable warriors and commanders complaining about racial discrimination.
Now tell me, Abhishek, which Maharaja/Sultan allowed non family/royalty members to reach the highest levels in the Navy?
uddu wrote:So what? And it seems you have such faith in the professionalism of George cross over Dharma chakra, which is surprising.
Yes, my friend, the Dharma Chakra or any similar symbol does not adequately represent the transformation in the military organization from 1612. 1612 was a turning point in the military organization.
uddu wrote:I do feel that the symbol represents servitude even though no Indian solider want to be one.
Those who serve under the ensign do not share your feelings.
uddu wrote:Your comparison is totally akward. English Medium is a way to learn English.
I am sorry, you are grossly mistaken, English can be taught as a subject in a Madrassa. Parents can teach children English using Rapidex English Speaking Course. English Medium is an education system wherein diverse subjects, including science, mathematics, social sciences, and language is taught.
uddu wrote: Don't compare Madrass with Gurukul. They are not the same.
How is the learning methodology
of a Hindu Gurukul different than that of a Christian Monastery, Buddhist Vihara or Islamic Madrassa?The “English Medium” learning methodology is ethnicity or religion agnostic. Schools are warmly adopted by all Indians instead of Gurukul, Monastery, Vihara or Madrassa because of the methodology, and not ethnicity or religiosity. All humans naturally adopt best practices very quickly.
Unlike those who think polio drops is a conspiracy to steal virility
uddu wrote:And by the way i forget to remember that Aryabhatta went to an English school.
The science of statistics will tell you that Aryabhatta was an “outlier”. In simple terms, one or even ten Aryabhatta’s don’t reflect the general level of knowledge or education of the entire population. What did Aryabhatta do to widely disseminate his knowledge? Not much, even if he wished to. Even today, those parts of India without access to modern education methodology
are woefully uneducated and illiterate.
Education & Knowledge was used for power and denied to the masses across the world. The Renaissance changed that by empowering masses with Education and Knowledge. Technological advances like printing press further helped. Let us not discredit the benefit of European Renaissance to mankind just because it was European, despite the same Europeans propagating very evil colonialism.
uddu wrote:Also the Japanese and others attend English schools and their technological superiority and discipline come from that.
Yes, the samurais were killing each other like Indian feudal lords until the Meiji_Restoration http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of ... estoration
The Tokugawa system was abolished, the military was modernized, and numerous Western institutions were adopted–including a Western legal system and quasi-parliamentary constitutional government as outlined in the Meiji Constitution. This constitution was modeled on the constitution of the German Empire.