Agni-V ICBM: New capabilities, technologies, strategies

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Re: Agni-V ICBM: New capabilities, technologies, strategies

Postby rajanb » 24 Sep 2013 22:17

RKumar wrote:I am totally against pointing individual countries as a threat. If you read the history of our wars, you will understand how world powers behaved to their interests or egos. Only way of stopping such powers to behave in that way is to have to capability to hit back at any country in the world aka potential enemy. We don't need to threaten anybody everyday but we have to project our capabilities. We should threat others at right time but with a backup and bluff should be minimum.

Our motto should be ....
There are no permanent friends or enemies there are only permanent interests of the country. There must be no personal relations or benefits.


+100

ICBMs will help strengthen, if we wish to use their capabilities judiciously, in the Art of Diplomacy. Defined as the ability to reduce enemies! :)

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Re: Agni-V ICBM: New capabilities, technologies, strategies

Postby member_22872 » 24 Sep 2013 23:20

Our motto should be ....
There are no permanent friends or enemies there are only permanent interests of the country. There must be no personal relations or benefits.


Even though that is true, for the current friends that one has, indifference or a display of threat could push them into enemy camp. Display of strength should be calibrated, where unnecessary, such display should be avoided is possible. And always gambit should be for the center square - >benefit to the security of the country. Thinking aloud onlee.

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Re: Agni-V ICBM: New capabilities, technologies, strategies

Postby RKumar » 25 Sep 2013 20:40

venug wrote:Even though that is true, for the current friends that one has, indifference or a display of threat could push them into enemy camp. Display of strength should be calibrated, where unnecessary, such display should be avoided is possible.


Friends should be treated as friends but they should not take us for granted. It must be a give and take relationship. There should be a red line drawn where we must say NO. It might cause short term problems but in long run it will only benefit. Capability should be projected in a neutral way without name calling. If we don't project our capabilities, how we can expect to have deterrence. Once we archive deterrence then it is up to us what we want to project or keep under wraps. It is game, where everyone can win one step at a time and we have long way to reach there. It all started 35 years back and it will take another 15 years (give or take couple of years).

venug wrote: And always gambit should be for the center square - >benefit to the security of the country.


No doubt about it. Completely agree.

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Re: Agni-V ICBM: New capabilities, technologies, strategies

Postby member_27444 » 25 Sep 2013 21:42

There are at minimum two aspects and one must admire our scientists behind ballistic missile program

The range has always been with pay load of 1 ton to 1.5 ton
The accuracy is being continuously improved
While our maha bum may or may not be fully working to its dialed yield
The missiles can carry multiple chotus as "FTD" Kalamazoo saars description

I think we are gradually or already have 8000 km door to door delivery capability
Just my two paise

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Re: Agni-V ICBM: New capabilities, technologies, strategies

Postby RajD » 26 Sep 2013 16:08

Another moronic article!! Full of twisted logic.
From the link http://www.dailypioneer.com/columnists/ ... rsuit.html

Abandon the needless pursuit
Thursday, 26 September 2013 | Pravin Sawhney | in Oped

An Agni-6 or a new Inter-Continental Ballistic Missile will spur China to more openly support Pakistan with added strategic capabilities against India. The country should put Agni-5 to greater use, which will serve the purpose of yet another missile.

After the successful second test-firing of 5,000km range Agni-5 on September 15, Defence Research and Development Organisation chief Avinash Chander told the media that his organisation is capable of making a 10,000km range Inter-Continental Ballistic Missile in two years. Earlier, he spoke about the 6,000km Agni-6 design being ready even without Government clearance. According to him, Agni-6 would have a three-tonne payload (present Agni series missiles have one-tonne payload) with multiple warhead vehicles called Multiple Independent Re-entry Vehicles meant to hit different targets.

[b]While it is not clear whether Mr Chander had Government clearance to make such claims, these have not gone down well with China and the US, two nations affected by these developments. The Chinese media has lashed out saying that their ballistic missiles are superior, and US Deputy Secretary of Defence Ashton Carter has said that India should not start an arms race in the Asia-Pacific region. The basic issue, however, is whether DRDO claims are justified.
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All ballistic missiles have two critical technologies of propulsion and navigation; propulsion means the engine or rocket and navigation refers to accuracy. In ballistic missiles, the power of a rocket is determined by the potency of propellant it carries within. Besides propellant potency, rockets have multiple stages filled with propellant to provide enhanced thrust to long-range ballistic missiles. Since the rocket (single or multiple-stage) burns for only one-sixth of the duration of the ballistic missile’s flight, after which the payload (containing warhead) without power is left in space to find its way back into the atmosphere and on to the target, it is necessary that the rocket be extremely powerful to provide needed terminal velocity before getting discarded.

Fortunately, details of the recent three-stage Agni-5 test-firing are available as in a moment of euphoria, DRDO scientists shared them with a friendly media they had taken along to Wheeler Island. The first stage got discarded after 90 seconds, the second stage after another 75 seconds, and the final rocket stage fell off after another 75 seconds. The payload, according to this media, had the terminal speed of six kilometres per second for a 20 minutes flight. Thus, the Agni-5 rocket worked for four minutes out of a total of 20 minutes it took to deliver the payload at 5,000km range.

Compare this with an ICBM which travels 10,000km in 20 minutes and has its rocket burning for five minutes; the remaining 15 minutes flight of the ICBM payload is without power. The ICBM payload terminal speed, is greater (much more than double) than six kilometres per second.

The comparison explains that, if Agni-5 is to increase its range from 5,000km to become an ICBM with 10,000km, the way out is to have an extremely potent propellant than what the DRDO now has. This major limitation is also the reason why the DRDO is unable to make the needed exo (outside atmosphere) interceptor for the indigenous Anti-Ballistic Missile system. The present exo-interceptor has demonstrated an altitude of 80km only. The previous DRDO chief, Mr VK Saraswat, had claimed in 2009 to do an exo-interception of incoming hostile ballistic missile at 120km altitude, something that has not been possible. The problem with the DRDO propellant is its low burn rate of five to 10 millimetres per second. What is needed is a propellant with burn rate of minimum 70 millimetres per second for both 10,000km range missile and the exo-interceptor. Shouldn't the DRDO be concentrating on acquiring this rather than make claims about Agni-6, ICBM or ABM system? Also related with a weak propellant is DRDO’s inability to do an anti-satellite test, something China demonstrated in January, 2007, by hitting a satellite at the height 250km in low earth orbit.

The other issue refers to Agni-5 navigation system. All DRDO ballistic missiles (the Agni series, Prithvi variants, Shaurya, Prahar, ABM interceptors, K-15 and K-4) as well as the BrahMos joint-venture cruise missile (interestingly, the BrahMos’ propulsion or rocket is Russia’s contribution to the system) use a strap-down Inertial Navigation System. As the name implies, the navigation system is strapped to the body of the missile itself. Given the technology improvements, the world over, strap-down is the popular INS used in aeroplanes and short range ballistic missiles alike as it is both cheap and easy to fabricate.

The exception are long-range ballistic missiles starting with 3,000km onwards which prefer to use a gimballed INS, which is both expensive and extremely difficult to engineer with only a handful of countries including China having them. Especially in ICBMs, no country uses a strap-down INS. In an acclaimed book titled ‘Strap-down Inertial Navigation Technology’, US scientists David Titterton and John Weston explain in detail why strap-down INS will not deliver the needed accuracy to long-range ballistic missiles even when using a nuclear warhead. There are simply too many systemic and atmospheric inaccuracies which multiply over the flight path of a long-range ballistic missile. Shouldn’t the DRDO be developing a gimballed INS before desiring to develop an Agni-6 or an ICBM?

More to the point, why does India need an Agni-6 or an ICBM when it has no global power aspirations and its defined adversaries are Pakistan and China, both of which are within the Agni series ballistic missile range? Given India’s defensive outlook, an Agni-6 has no strategic or operational logic. It is simply be an ego-booster without basis, needed propellant and navigation system.

It could be argued (as DRDO has done through a select media) that India needs Agni-6 with a larger three-ton payload to accommodate MIRVs. This is a fallacy. If indeed the DRDO desires to develop MIRVs, it could and should be done using the Agni-5 missile. It could because a 1.2 tonne warhead of Agni-5 can accommodate three MIRVs each with 20kt yield and 400kg weight. It should because unless the DRDO develops gimballed INS, it must not increase the range of ballistic missile meant to deliver MIRVs. The accumulated inaccuracies of long range ballistic missile will get transmitted to the MIRVs as well. In the larger sense, an Agni-6 or an ICBM will spur China to more openly support Pakistan with more strategic capabilities against India.

(The writer is a former Indian Army officer and now Editor, FORCE, a newsmagazine on national security)

Does military really recruit such jokers?

You think Army makes people write articles on Missile Development or Grand Strategy while undertaking the SSB process? You can thrash the articles using counter-points but making such unnecessary remarks is not one of them. Mind it next time - rohitvats
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Re: Agni-V ICBM: New capabilities, technologies, strategies

Postby RKumar » 26 Sep 2013 16:35

The author (regretfully a former army officer), is forgetting that China is openly supporting Pakistan. What extra they could give to Pakistan without putting their very own security at risk? If I should believe in his theory, then we should immediately stop development of Agni-4 and 5 as both are having ranges of more then 5000 KM. China is already making noises regarding A-V and Pakistan has nothing to say as they know it is not for them. It will be foolish to limit our capabilities.

There are technical challenges and those will be solved in due time.

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Re: Agni-V ICBM: New capabilities, technologies, strategies

Postby Manish_Sharma » 26 Sep 2013 17:27

If he had an iota of patriotism, he'd be complaining Bharatvarsh not arming Vietnam with Prithvis, Agni-I as a muh-tod jawaab to yellows, not brownpanting about Agni-6 consequences.

And how are you qualified to pass certificate of patriotism to people? If you can, please counter the content and reasoning in the article with your own POV. Making one line useless remarks is not the way to go about such things.

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Re: Agni-V ICBM: New capabilities, technologies, strategies

Postby JTull » 28 Sep 2013 12:28

This is the same argument which was used that India didn't need nuclear weapons as there was no proof that Pakistan had theem. When the NDA govt. under ABV undertook the tests, the truth came out soon enough.

The build up along the border and PLA belligerence are proof enough that India needs these missiles. Any flare up will now be limited as neither side can risk getting it out of hand.

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Postby ashish raval » 28 Sep 2013 12:51

^^ if so, what stops India exporting Brahmos and other low range precision missiles to Mangolia, Vietnam, Taiwan, Indonesia yada yada ?

I don't care what Chicoms are upto after Agni. I need to have nuclear triad as strong as Amirkhans to protect my nation. We will see what other games can be played on the table after this capability. :twisted:

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Re: Agni-V ICBM: New capabilities, technologies, strategies

Postby pankajs » 04 Oct 2013 20:51

India’s Missile Modernization Beyond Minimum Deterrence
Every time India test-launches a new ballistic missile, officials from the defense industry go giddy about the next missile, which they say will be bigger, more accurate, fly longer, and carry more nuclear warheads.

<snip>

If so, it is bad news for South Asia. The combination of multiple warheads, increased accuracy, and drastically reduced launch time would indicate that India is gradually designing its way of out its so-called minimum deterrence doctrine towards a more capable nuclear posture.

This would almost certainly trigger counter-steps in Pakistan and China, developments that would decrease Indian security. And if China were to deploy multiple warheads on its missiles, it could even impede future reductions of U.S. and Russian nuclear forces.

<snip>

Conclusions and Recommendations

Statements made by Indian defense officials over the past few years about increasing the payload, responsiveness, and accuracy of nuclear ballistic missiles are worrisome signs that India may be designing its way out of its minimum deterrence posture towards one with more warfighting-like capabilities.

This includes development of multiple-warhead capability to move India’s nuclear missiles beyond “a defense weapon” to “a force multiplier” that can strike more targets with each missile. It includes upgrading launchers to “drastically” shorten the launch-time to “minutes.” And it includes increasing the accuracy of the reentry vehicles to more effectively strike their targets.

Where these requirements come from and who sets them is anyone’s guess, but they demonstrate a need for the Indian government to constrain its weapons designers and more clearly reaffirm its adherence to a minimum deterrence doctrine. Not only does the combination of multiple warheads, increased accuracy, and quick-launch capability challenge the credibility of minimum deterrence. It also sends all the wrong signals about India’s intensions and will almost inevitably trigger weapons developments in the nuclear postures of India’s neighbors – developments that would decrease Indian security and that of the whole region.

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Postby ashish raval » 04 Oct 2013 23:58

^^ classic khujli ... Cannot be matched.

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Postby member_23370 » 05 Oct 2013 00:27

Let them whine. They still have no clue what the A-5 is capable off.

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Postby SSridhar » 04 Nov 2013 13:24

pankajs wrote:India’s Missile Modernization Beyond Minimum Deterrence
. . . but they demonstrate a need for the Indian government to constrain its weapons designers and more clearly reaffirm its adherence to a minimum deterrence doctrine.

First of all, the 'minimum deterrence doctrine' is GoI's narrative, is owned solely by India and defined solely by it. India is not answerable to anyone else on this. The question of adherence does not therefore arise.

Secondly, the notion of 'minimum deterrence' is not something etched in stone for ever. It is a time-varying determination of India's requirements. Whatever India is working towards possessing, is indeed its 'minimum deterrence'.

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Postby Austin » 04 Nov 2013 13:56

The NPA's in US have woken up and are using the usual channel to curb MIRV development next we can expect State Department to toe similar lines in weeks and months ahead ..stating we need to restrain etc etc.

Hopefully GOI does not buckle under pressure and continue with A-6 development.

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Re: Agni-V ICBM: New capabilities, technologies, strategies

Postby vishvak » 04 Nov 2013 18:15

LoL USA talking about restraint when nuke black market and India specific posture of strategic allies paki is ignored.

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Postby Singha » 04 Nov 2013 20:45

Npa canines hardly emit a bark about the 600 warheads of cheen and the df41 and jl2.

India has nothing to with cheen calculations at high end because they are trying to counter usa...we just form part of the equation for them not the biggest factor.

Nps canines should first douse the fire on their tails.

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Re: Agni-V ICBM: New capabilities, technologies, strategies

Postby negi » 04 Nov 2013 22:48

Pravin Sawhney's piece has one important tid bit though i.e. propellant burn rates. US moved to high energy propellants from Minuteman program they use HMX instead of ammonium perchlorate as an additive , MX and Trident series all use HMX as a key constituent. It needs to be seen when we embark on a 10k class ICBM with a throw weight of like 5+ MIRVs what kind of form factor will we achieve , it will give a clear indication of our prowess in the area of solid propellants.

Where are we on this front ? 2010 DRDO issue has following info

http://drdo.gov.in/drdo/pub/nl/2010/mar10.pdf

The strategic programme of DRDO
will require further heavy lift booster in
the coming years. In another 5 years,
there will be demands from many missile
systems for composite case (carbon/
epoxy) motors. There is a need to
develop infrastructure for the production
of composite case motors in large
numbers dia. In many strategic systems,
third stage will be added, preferably
with low-density energetic propellants in
composite case for the range gain.

Propellant systems with ß-HMX is
under development with 7s gain in Isp.
High energy propellant based on nitrate
esters /RS RDX and NEPE / ß HMX are
under development. Conventional HTPB
propellant with low aluminum powder
and RDX have been developed with
2 pulse motor technology for LRSAM.
This composition has demonstrated
very high elongation capability.

The technology of HTPB binder-based propellant
has matured enough in DRDO. All the raw materials
are indigenous and it has developed its source for
critical materials like HTPB resin and ammonium
perchlorates. Of late, a trend has been started to
use high energy materials like ADN, CL-20, and
nitramines for low smoke and eco-friendly propellant
but this activity in a proper scale needs to be initiated
in DRDO.

For processing high energy propellants, vendors
have been developed for producing nitrate esters,
high energy materials and binders such as CL-20,
GAP, etc. A plant will be commissioned by 2011 for
producing highly dispersed RDX and HMX


Looks like at least on the missile front we are keeping up pace with the latest developments which is heartening to know.

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Re: Agni-V ICBM: New capabilities, technologies, strategies

Postby Karan M » 04 Nov 2013 23:22

Thing with Sawheny is that he gets bits and pieces of info, puts it together for the usual DRDO bashing and then patronizingly writes about it assuming that DRDO/Indian agencies have not thought about all these issues and are not already working towards getting things done. In short, he is a pukka brown sahib who wants to always tell the bloody wogs what they need to do.. unfortunately, they don't give a darn about him. Force's editorial board is pretty pathetic because of this attitude.

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Postby negi » 04 Nov 2013 23:31

^ That's true. His reasoning is flawed and is coloured else how does he explain his demand for a missile which uses a much powerful propellant and at the same time ridicule DRDO for going for Agni VI , I mean how can one assume increase in range and payload is only coming via shoving in more propellant versus improvement in the quality of the propellant ?

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Postby ramana » 05 Nov 2013 00:48

negi, The AV third stage conical motor was made from graphite winding. Don't know the resin system used. I think its phenolic.
The recent statements about weight reduction for AII also show there is an improvement in casing and propellent chemistry. So three years hence, it might be the AII first stage which was being re-designed. The little bit about long elongation ensures it doesn't harden and age out.
So lot of tech info is packed into that report.

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Postby Will » 05 Nov 2013 01:02

vishvak wrote:LoL USA talking about restraint when nuke black market and India specific posture of strategic allies paki is ignored.


Dude Unkils game is simple. Use India to contain China and use Pakistan to contain India.. That way Unkil continues to rule the roost in years to come...

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Re: Agni-V ICBM: New capabilities, technologies, strategies

Postby rohitvats » 05 Nov 2013 01:09

Karan M wrote:Thing with Sawheny is that he gets bits and pieces of info, puts it together for the usual DRDO bashing and then patronizingly writes about it assuming that DRDO/Indian agencies have not thought about all these issues and are not already working towards getting things done. In short, he is a pukka brown sahib who wants to always tell the bloody wogs what they need to do.. unfortunately, they don't give a darn about him. Force's editorial board is pretty pathetic because of this attitude.


Karan - I buy his magazine and one can see clear bias in his articles.

He takes a position and then invents arguments to support the same. Only articles by ex-Service people are worth the read. Others by his team and himself are pretty low on content and analysis. I read the magazine for bits and pieces of information which comes by from the articles.

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Postby Karan M » 05 Nov 2013 06:37

RV, you'd remember a few years back, Sawheny wrote a piece on DRDO bashing them for the fact that Pinaka was bad, not successful and would never be unless some fancy tech was chosen etc. Now, a few months before that, an acquaintance had engaged in a duel with him pointing out the flaws in his articles (PS's standard reply was to pretend that he didn't understand and or, ask who the source was... he was actually thinking that acquaintance was some disgruntled ex-colleague who knew all his secrets). So, acquaintance got to know posturing apart, this chap really doesn't understand much about stuff he writes and stopped bothering (gaffe's were too numerous to even bother and he realized Sawheny is just leveraging ex-services tag).

But it gets more revealing. Apparently, Sawhney then forwarded a mail saying protest march for Palestinian issue by leftists. He sends out that mail to entire email contact without checking, accidentally including acquaintance and many other folks openly. Showed his political slant (explains some of the confused WKK-giri from time to time). Guess one of the people on the list, the rep of the company that makes the doodad that Pinaka must and should have, without which it would never be accepted by IA. A few months later, IA went and ordered some 2 regiments of Pinaka after trials were successful. One can draw own conclusions about how accurate his opinions are, his sources and how pathetic their editiorializing is (don't even bother to contact the other side for the proper story).

Have seen many of his claims on IA/IAF etc being similarly colored by all sorts of bias, and with the most flimsy, flawed research.

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Postby pragnya » 05 Nov 2013 08:13

^^^

Karan, how about 'tracking' him like you do for the other. there is something common between them if you did not notice - name - 'PS'!! :lol:

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Postby Karan M » 05 Dec 2013 06:04

pragnya wrote:^^^

Karan, how about 'tracking' him like you do for the other. there is something common between them if you did not notice - name - 'PS'!! :lol:


LOL sir..if onlee. i didnt want to waste time and money subscribing to force. anyways looks like the other PS is also no longer in farce and only the wahabs and this PS are ruling the roost.

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Postby Karan M » 05 Dec 2013 06:05

SaiK wrote:http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NEWS/newsrf.php?newsid=20611

jilebi ++


canister based agni, excellent.

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Postby member_28108 » 05 Dec 2013 22:55

Great news.Wonder when the MIRV MARV testing will be done.

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Postby Cosmo_R » 06 Dec 2013 03:31

PS like many others is a 'sponsored' journalist. The magazine business model more akin to ToI's 'sponsored news' that it openly offers to big corporates. His sponsors have different agendas.

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Postby Cosmo_R » 06 Dec 2013 03:36

"a simulated canister-based launch of a dummy missile weighing 50 tonnes was successfully carried out by scientists of the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) recently."

I assume that this "simulated' bit refers to the fact that a dummy missile weighing 50 tons was ejected out of the canister to gauge the success of the ejection system and not a "simulation" in the virtual (software) sense.

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Postby Cosmo_R » 06 Dec 2013 04:04

SSridhar wrote:
First of all, the 'minimum deterrence doctrine' is GoI's narrative, is owned solely by India and defined solely by it. India is not answerable to anyone else on this. The question of adherence does not therefore arise.

Secondly, the notion of 'minimum deterrence' is not something etched in stone for ever. It is a time-varying determination of India's requirements. Whatever India is working towards possessing, is indeed its 'minimum deterrence'.


+1. The minimum credible deterrent is not a 'fixity' as Jaswant Singh outlined to Strobe Talbot in 1999

http://books.google.com/books?id=UPxpJu ... gh&f=false

For those who fear a more 'open , strategic support' by PRC to Pakistan, that the politburo well knows the Samson option in a triangular relationship. That's "Samson" and not Samsung.

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Postby SaiK » 06 Dec 2013 04:26

also, the doctrine NFU drives the minimum deterrence.. that means, even if the intention of enemy increases by a factor of 1, the deterrence value can climb on a multi-fold factor, depending on the intention of the enemy to strike us (let alone their capabilities).. so, every time the enemy even thinks of attacking India, we have to increase our capability to strike back. now, that does not mean will strike on intentions.. but only improve our capability on such intentions.

we will continue to grow on this intention->build capability->min deterrence cycle till maturity. if some one denies this process, then the capability model only matures to that level... it is important that our babooze understand this... i know it is hard on them, because they are the aging tenants within the growing young mindsets to make India an advanced nation. Unnecessary prodding in the neighborhood is increasing on logarithm scale.. and still, we have a setup that ignores these vitiated atmosphere.

i hope we are driven by cleaner form of governance, and policy based administration as aam junta can't understand these aspects.

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Postby Vayutuvan » 06 Dec 2013 05:19

Cosmo_R wrote:I assume that this "simulated' bit refers to the fact that a dummy missile weighing 50 tons was ejected out of the canister to gauge the success of the ejection system and not a "simulation" in the virtual (software) sense.

We have to because "in silico" trials would have been done several times over and hence not news worthy. Right?

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Postby NRao » 06 Dec 2013 05:20

And, it is very healthy for the enemy AND think-tankers to do some amount of what-ifs. The more they complain the better the strategy is working.

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Postby ramana » 06 Dec 2013 06:15

Cosmo
Not only that but more importantly they checked the interlocks pkg to ensure ignition signal is generated at proper time.

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Re: Agni-V ICBM: New capabilities, technologies, strategies

Postby Singha » 06 Dec 2013 08:23

good news on the weapons processing material front (pics inside)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... ramme.html

no idea what ISIS is whining about. mysore is a weapons facility and has no link to any civilian power gen program. we should setup a entire city there like arzamas16 and put our best talents to work designing desi SS18 and tsar bombas

peace always flows through the halo of a mushroom cloud
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYUP7zJ0CwU

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Re: Agni-V ICBM: New capabilities, technologies, strategies

Postby vishvak » 06 Dec 2013 17:26

Isn't it strange that ISIS article mentions nowhere ideas of global nuclear disarmament, or comparison to prowess of USA etc. Makes no sense.

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Re: Agni-V ICBM: New capabilities, technologies, strategies

Postby SSridhar » 06 Dec 2013 19:05

prasannasimha wrote:. . . when the MIRV MARV testing will be done.

VK Saraswat had said in May 2013 that one more test will be done in late 2013 (which is now coming true) and the MIRV test will be in c. 2015. The plan seems to be going smoothly.

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Re: Agni-V ICBM: New capabilities, technologies, strategies

Postby SaiK » 06 Dec 2013 19:48

I'm more concerned on sub-criticals progression than MARVs. That is where the real deterrence capability lies ultimately, and of course, smooth progression on delivery is a must have.

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Re: Agni-V ICBM: New capabilities, technologies, strategies

Postby Singha » 06 Dec 2013 20:15

vishvak wrote:Isn't it strange that ISIS article mentions nowhere ideas of global nuclear disarmament, or comparison to prowess of USA etc. Makes no sense.


india is a defacto n-weapons state like israel and tsp though not accorded the status of the jedi council seat in P5.
when we have 1000 warheads & 100 ICBMs the invitation letter will come on its own, postage paid by sender.
no need to worry about it.

all these nukular EJs try to hide the fact that india is a declared n-weapons state on its own steam and is not in breach of any treaty commitment by scaling up/down/side-to-side anything related to the weapons side of our n-programs.

they can all go suck a large lemon :twisted: so long as Noko was trying to be covert and iran was on the shitlist, they had a minor industry going of studying and predicting all the "rogue" nukular powers next moves. now iran is soon to be back in shah era parsi-ameerki bhai bhai and noko escaped the cage and went feral under the patronage of the panda...so these nukular think tanks have no business and no funds coming with their market segment shrinking dramatically.


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