Pulwama Attack

sudeepj · Post by **sudeepj** » 17 Feb 2019 01:30

Taking out terror camps etc. is almost pointless. It will be neither public, nor inflict any real damage. Terrorist spectaculars like the one in Pulwama have a domestic constituency in Pakistan in addition to the larger goal of 'jihad till azadi'. They are used to bind together the population, restrict opposition to the faujis, defend the 'ideological frontiers' of Pakistan etc.

Consider this from an ISI gernails point of view. What happens if he succeeds in a spectacular: There is an immediate frission of excitement and congratulations from an operation well done. Followed by a few tense weeks as India ponders how to retaliate. These tense weeks are utilized by the fauj to extract concessions from domestic constituencies, get more monies, involve NATO and get several hundred million dollars as bakshish etc.

If he fails to carry out the operation, there are no consequences. So its really a win-win situation for them. Even after Kargil, Mush the Rat did not really suffer any consequences, he became president and owner of several hundred millions. A few generals lost in the internecine squabbles, but this is a common situation in Mughal type culture they have and they dont see this as being of any consequence.

We need to change this calculus in Pakistani elite. The punishment needs to be spectacular, it needs to be visible, it needs to inflict pain on Pakistani elite. On the other hand, using the armed forces in a way that does not do this, but only achieves a symbolic victory will hand the elite a win! They will be able to pull their population together, crack down on domestic malcontents, reestablish the primacy and legitimacy of the Army/bureaucracy, get an even bigger share of the pie, and carry on as usual. Live to fight another day is a win for Pakistanis.

Personally, I dont feel we are at a preparation level where we can do an aar-paar yet. But we are at a position where we can inflict significant punishment that changes this win-win calculus.
E.g. Destroying a significant part of PAF, or PN. Blowing up crucial infrastructure. Killing significant personalities. All of this should have a deterrent effect for many years. In just one decade, the asymmetry should be enough for aar-paar and if they have not learnt the lesson, we can apply another dose.

Neshant · Post by **Neshant** » 17 Feb 2019 01:38

Ask US why it is going ahead with IMF bailout to a country funding and housing terrorists conductive attacks on Indian soil.

Watch for their answer.

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 17 Feb 2019 01:49

Pakistan was forced to take a IMF bailout. Imran was totally against IMF bailouts because of the terms and conditions from IMF. That was their last option!

And about housing terrorists... Those were done during Air lift of evil under their own supervision !

Supratik · Post by **Supratik** » 17 Feb 2019 01:51

US will do what is in its interest. India should do what is in its interest. Indira Gandhi did not wait for US interests. Militarily IMO it should be a air plus ground operation to occupy all terrorist training and infiltration areas along the LOC. A bonus will be what I call glacial wars where the glaciers to the west of Siachen which are likely to be sparsely defended are captured all the way upto Skardu. Surgical strike was level 1 of the conflict. This will be level 2. Pak may want to take it higher up and we should be ready for full mobilization.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 17 Feb 2019 01:59

Saddened by the death of patriots. No better place to come and share the grief than on BRF. There will be a reply from India this time too. Karara jawab. Bharath mata ki jai.

Joe Fernandez · Post by **Joe Fernandez** » 17 Feb 2019 02:03

It won't be enough to tackle terrorist incidents as they arise. Pakistan has a weak gov't manipulated by the armed forces and the intelligence services. They get the biggest chunk of the national budget.

India should work on the dismemberment of Pakistan and settle the legacy of partition once and for all.

Sindh, Baluchistan, FATA and the NWFP are all ready to break away.

The Indus River should become the new international border with Pakistan. This is a more secure border than the present one.

The Special Forces should be used to neutralise Pakistan's nuclear arsenal.

A satellite should be positioned over Pakistan to keep a watch on the country. It will assist human intelligence gatherers in Pakistan. It's better to use locals than send spies over. There are many disaffected groups which provide ideal recruitment grounds.

New Delhi should play a bigger role in Afghanistan. It's in India's backyard. The stationing of Indian troops in Afghanistan should be considered. There should a Treaty of Mutual Cooperation and Security with Kabul.

Travel between Afghanistan and India should be made visa-free.

Afghans should be allowed to work in India without having to apply for work permits. This would help pump money into the Afghan economy and improve the security situation.

Only India can help Afghanistan on a longterm and sustainable basis. The US and the West won't be able to last the pace in the country. They would have to leave sooner or later. That will leave the country in a lurch if India doesn't come in.

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 17 Feb 2019 02:03

I was looking into Iran attack - similar modus operandi with directional VBIED(no crater visible like in Pulwama) by a suicide bomber targeting a bus.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/i ... 66321.html

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 17 Feb 2019 02:04

Was discussing the news with a few non BRF types and none of them could believe the connection between implicit nod-wink from unkil behind all such misadventures from TSP. Either TSP military-jihadi complex has read too much into the cut and run agreement signed by US in Afghanistan and is now emboldened by it. Or a get out of jail card has been given to TSP by three and a half sponsors against China, which they in their typical fashion are using against India too. The west will keep quiet as long as their interests are being served. It is upto India to defend itself.

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 17 Feb 2019 02:10

Pakistan shifts out terrorists from launch pads at LoC

No terror targets close to the border for a shallow strike, though option to hit TSPA positions still available.

This year TSPA did not vacate their winter positions.

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 17 Feb 2019 02:18

chetak wrote:The opposition all want Modi to keep quiet, so that later, during the election campaign, they can all accuse him of keeping quiet and show how scared he is of pakistan and how in his tenure the largest terrorist attack took place in spite of his 56" chaati.

They are all scared shitless and witless that Modi will once again upstage them all and sweep the polls.

There is more panic here than among the pakis.

Just imagine the panicked state of pappu, mumtaz begum and that turncoat naidu as well as the J&K traitor leaders.

let us wait and support him, in whatever he chooses to do.

This is a golden chance for Modi that will galvanise the electorate in every state and it was thrust into his lap. Consolidation will take place like never before.

the pakis can always be sorted out just a little later.

chetak

Your views on the following :

1. How about closing Indian Air Space to Terroristani Aircraft?

2. Closing Indian Air Space to ALL AIR TRAFFIC.

I believe Indian Air Traffic to Afghanistan has been using Iranian Air Space.

Cheers

hanumadu · Post by **hanumadu** » 17 Feb 2019 02:30

This news is from before the tragedy.
http://www.dailyexcelsior.com/centre-st ... -from-ujh/

Centre, State decide to block 531 MCM water to Pak from Ujh

It may be mentioned here that Prime Minister Narendra Modi was scheduled to lay foundation stone of Ujh project along with other projects from Jammu during his visit to the State on February 3 but it was taken off from Modi’s schedule after top officials working on the project discovered that out of 781 Million Cubic Meters (MCM) water that the project was scheduled to generate, 531 MCM would have flown to Pakistan as Kathua and surroundings had the capacity to get 250 MCM water only.

“After threadbare discussions, it has been decided that a roadmap would be devised immediately to block flow of 531 MCM water to Pakistan after construction of the project and instead spread this water to neighbouring State of Punjab followed by Haryana and, if possible, even up to Rajasthan as it has been observed that only 250 MCM water would reach Kathua and surroundings,” sources said.

The Centre as well as State Governments were confident that foundation stone of Ujh project would be laid well before the Model Code of Conduct is imposed to give pace to the project and ensure its completion within stipulated time of six years (from the day the project is launched). Total cost of the project has been pegged at Rs 5850 crore, of which Rs 4919.94 crore is irrigation component and rest is the construction cost.
Detailed Project Report (DPR) of Ujh had been cleared in January 2018. The project was lingering on for past more than 25 years and all previous Governments in Jammu and Kashmir didn’t take any initiative to start the project.

There are at least 5 or 6 project that are under works in J&K.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 17 Feb 2019 02:35

Killing a few TSPA soldiers stationed at the border does not solve anything (though it is better than nothing..)
If I were parent of an Indian soldier I would want to know why s(he) is being put at risk.
Every soldier put at risk should be for clear "sustainable" gains important to national security and to Give Peace A Chance. Destroy major infrastructure, to make it difficult for TSPA to reach the areas where liberation struggles will be proceedings, TOTALLY w/o Indian help of course....
Go along a roadmap to Baloch, Pakhtoon, Balwaristani and Sindhi Independence.
Let Freedom Ring!!!

Avenge Sheikh Bugti, so brutally murdered by the Paki Army. Avenge the 300,000 Balochis brutally murdered by the Paki Army. Avenge the 10,000 Shias murdered, many burned to death, in Gilgit/Baltistan (2B Balwaristan).

PratikDas · Post by **PratikDas** » 17 Feb 2019 03:04

Requesting *everyone* to #BoycottPakistaniGoods

Click for a hi-res, shareable version

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 17 Feb 2019 03:09

^
After the 200% customs levy these goods are shafted in India already.
All the NRI's must step up to bring about a boycott of these Paki products in their regular provision stores and the supermarket chains (ex: "Patel Brothers"). Please share the above pic freely.

#BoycottPakistaniGoods

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 17 Feb 2019 03:20

U can get sued. It is one thing to call for boycott goods that support the terrorist enterprise, but quite a different thing to show photos of actual products. Admins pls note and decide. Times are tough.
As the Jarnail of Bakistan said:

In Bakistan v r aljo having Phreedom Oh Sbeech. It eej Phreedom APHTER Sbeech that eej dubiouj.

Phreedom Oph Internet eej aljo naat what it was b4...

Note that there is no national boycott initiated by Indian or any other govt, so you don't have that fallback position: even GOI can get sued in WTC etc if they come out with something.

Look on the bright side: If desis/BRFees are too lazy and 404 to look at the Made In .. label and decide without having color photos shown to them, maybe they deserve to be dhimmis, hain?

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 17 Feb 2019 03:26

ParGha wrote:@Karan, what LTG Panag discussed is not anything new or secret. It has been in public domain since at least 2004.

Not-So-Fun-Fact: One of the first operational missions for Rafale was to fly interpositional patrols between India and Pakistan in 2002, to prevent just such an operation from being executed by the Indians.

Fun Fact: The LC straightening mission even gets a fictional mention here (viewtopic.php?p=129983#p129983), along with a Brigadier Shivi Randhawa with uncanny resemblance to Brigadier (later LTG) Panag. What with both of them being mechanized infantrymen, pioneering combat groups in Ladakh, etc. I'll let Y.I. Patel confirm or deny it.

There's a huge difference between public domain references in media as versus Generals giving OSA a bye bye and lending credence to public domain media reports. These plans could have been dusted off and reused. Now they will be red flagged and Pakistan will treat them far more seriously. They are now useless or implementing them will cause far more Indian lives.
Lt Gen Panag really needs to stop playing politics with such information IMO.

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 17 Feb 2019 03:27

Pakistani made apparel and Sporting goods
#BoycottPakistaniGoods

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 17 Feb 2019 03:27

saip wrote:Guys, I got this stupid email from American Telugu Association:

'American Telugu Association'
Deeply CONDEMNS to Martyrs
of Pulwama Terror Attack'

What does it even mean? Did they mean 'CONDOLES'?
Anyway I called them and left a nasty message. Here is their number:
1-844-ATA-SEVA (1 -844-272-7382)

Just bad English.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 17 Feb 2019 03:29

Supratik wrote:You certainly don't expect the current opposition to do better than this. Modi is still PM with majority and has the backing of the majority people of India. That is what matters. Not what the opposition thinks. From political angle if Modi is successful in giving a riposte the opposition knows their goose is cooked for the time being. Surely the malcontents that make up the opposition will not be happy.

Exactly. You nailed it.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 17 Feb 2019 03:33

Exactly. What does this tell us? Situation was already pretty grim back then, so much so media picked up on it and asked Chief a pointed question. And he responds saying, we are prepared and we have options. What more needs be said?

chandrasekaran wrote:
Karan M wrote:Great find Lilo. Recommend everyone raging inside to watch this.

Please note that this interview is dated 25th September 2018

vinod · Post by **vinod** » 17 Feb 2019 03:46

Dilbu wrote:Was discussing the news with a few non BRF types and none of them could believe the connection between implicit nod-wink from unkil behind all such misadventures from TSP. Either TSP military-jihadi complex has read too much into the cut and run agreement signed by US in Afghanistan and is now emboldened by it. Or a get out of jail card has been given to TSP by three and a half sponsors against China, which they in their typical fashion are using against India too. The west will keep quiet as long as their interests are being served. It is upto India to defend itself.

Its simple: unkil gave go ahead to do operation in Iran via MBS. Pakis requested for an equivalent one at the same time in Kashmir. Unkil would have been more than happy to oblige.

saip · Post by **saip** » 17 Feb 2019 03:47

Lot of sheet sets are exported by Pakis. They are in many retail stores like JCP, Sears, Target, Bed Bath and Beyond etc. I always make it point to buy only Indian sheets unless i get them free!

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 17 Feb 2019 03:50

Peregrine wrote:
chetak wrote:The opposition all want Modi to keep quiet, so that later, during the election campaign, they can all accuse him of keeping quiet and show how scared he is of pakistan and how in his tenure the largest terrorist attack took place in spite of his 56" chaati.

They are all scared shitless and witless that Modi will once again upstage them all and sweep the polls.

There is more panic here than among the pakis.

Just imagine the panicked state of pappu, mumtaz begum and that turncoat naidu as well as the J&K traitor leaders.

let us wait and support him, in whatever he chooses to do.

This is a golden chance for Modi that will galvanise the electorate in every state and it was thrust into his lap. Consolidation will take place like never before.

the pakis can always be sorted out just a little later.
chetak

Your views on the following :

1. How about closing Indian Air Space to Terroristani Aircraft?

2. Closing Indian Air Space to ALL AIR TRAFFIC.

I believe Indian Air Traffic to Afghanistan has been using Iranian Air Space.

Cheers

chetak

Your views on the following :

Peregrine saar,

1. How about closing Indian Air Space to Terroristani Aircraft?

The pakis will retaliate. Our fuel costs for the trip will increase because many of our flights to europe and beyond overfly pakilund.

This is expensive in terms of distance travelled for air traffic but the only worthwhile solution now, under the current circumstances. Any sign of tension in this entire area and the Insurance/war risk rates will skyrocket for everyone making both incoming as well as outgoing marine and air traffic more expensive. It will surely hit us more than them, given the relative volumes in maritime trade and air traffic.

2. Closing Indian Air Space to ALL AIR TRAFFIC.

we will be breaking all sorts of international agreements, the UN and also maybe the WTO will go for our throats. We will look like a banana republic, FDI, as well as trade, will be very adversely affected and it will very successfully do what the pakis are so very desperate to do but never could and that is INTERNATIONALIZE CASHMERE, as never before.

Again at the risk of sounding repetitive, the pakis will reciprocate to close their airspace and this will become expensive in terms of distance travelled for air traffic. Any sign of tension in this entire area the Insurance/war risk rates will skyrocket for everyone making both incoming as well as outgoing marine and air traffic more expensive. It will be bad in law as well as for international relations and again it will surely hit us very much more than them, given the relative volumes in maritime trade and air traffic.

I believe Indian Air Traffic to Afghanistan has been using Iranian Air Space.

This is expensive in terms of distance travelled, both for marine and air traffic but the only worthwhile solution now, under the current circumstances. Any sign of tension in this entire area and again the Insurance/war risk rates will skyrocket.

If the taliban take over afghanistan, then our aid to the afghans will become negligible because we will virtually end up feeding the tallibunnies who will corner all the aid from India, under gunpoint.

the pakis are desperate to keep India away from their afghan borders to avoid a two front war with India which they do not want and they also know that India can very easily do from afghanistan what the pakis are doing to India from cashmere.

The hans will keep out of actual fighting so they will be of no use to them except in the UNSC veto deployment for the pakis and always against India

India should increasingly start using this very option, afghan based cross border jehadi attacks into palilund to destabilize them.

the R&AW is every bit as good as the pakis in cross border jehadi attacks, having studied the paki methods for decades now.

if it wasn't for the likes of morarji and gujral, we would have on the top of it by now.

The congis also successfully destroyed Gen VK Singh's Technical Services Division, a secret intelligence unit, because little birds were saying that it was brought up many times in track thoo and our moneyshankar iyer types forced the govt to concede a CBM and shut down the TSD.

Also, heard that it was some retired IA senior track thoo types who were most vocal in calling for the shutdown.

No doubt that many cases of choice single malts would have been room delivered to these well lubricated retired IA senior track thoo types that very same night by their grateful hosts, the ISI.

and for you personally:

How about this for a dramatic image of a Peregrine Falcon!
Bernardo Marraccini.

vinod · Post by **vinod** » 17 Feb 2019 03:52

India has to choose just a limited number of posts and keep on pumelling it... until no paki soldier dares to agree to be posted there.
When an terrosist attack happens, immediately we occupy that post claiming terrorists were launched from that. When Pakis are hell bent on taking in back, we retreat back a little and claim operation over and the start pummelling it again. So, it is 2 steps forward and 1 step backward. Until the new LOC is redrawn slowly by slowly.
Pakis would likely open another front, repeat the same there.

Bart S · Post by **Bart S** » 17 Feb 2019 04:04

Singha wrote:https://www.aninews.in/news/national/ge ... 216202946/

basic customs duty on all goods imported from TSP raised to 200% wef

Good, but also need to block the exports for essential raw materials for the Paki industry and cheap fruits/vegetables/medicines consumed by the Paki populace to really hurt, as imports are negligible.

Also, need to be alert to shut down imports via the gulf.

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 17 Feb 2019 04:05

Sorry if already posted:

Pulwama terrorist Adil Ahmad Dar was indoctrinated by JeM in Pakistan

Azhar gave nod for Pulwama attack from Army base hospital

Pakistan ready to cooperate in probe over Pulwama attack ("if India shares evidence" (spoken like a Paki) Qureshi

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 17 Feb 2019 04:14

1. I don't see why India can't declare TSP as a terrorist country?
2. Why hasn't the Indian foreign mission to TSP been recalled and why has the TSP embassy and consulates in India not closed?
3. Why are borders points open? They should be closed for the foreseeable future.

Ashokk · Post by **Ashokk** » 17 Feb 2019 04:43

Pulwama attack: China weighing options on Masood Azhar issue

An indication of an internal review is available in the guarded message sent by Chinese State Councillor and foreign minister Wang Yi to external affairs minister Sushma Swaraj, expressing his condolences for the death of the CRPF jawans. Another indication came from a statement put up in the website of the Chinese foreign ministry.

China will participate in the UN Security Council discussions for listing Azhar as a global terrorist in “an objective, unbiased and professional manner,” the ministry said before delivering a crucial statement. “We will continue to do so and remain in communication with all parties including India on this issue,” it said. This suggested Beijing’s readiness to review the issue after further consultations with India.

Experts say it is too early to expect China to reverse its existing stance without getting some advantage. “China might consider a change in its stance on Masood Azhar only after some hard bargaining. It will expect some concessions from India in return,” Phunchok Stobdan, former diplomat and strategic affairs expert told TOI.

Stobdan said a lot depends on how well India is able to bargain on the issue instead of making public demands from China. Chinese leaders do not want to be seen as bowing to a public demand in India because that would hurt China’s image in Pakistan, he said.

Saudi Arabia’s Crown Prince Mohammed Bin Salman Al Saud is scheduled to visit China on February 21-22 after travelling to Pakistan and India. Reports indicate he has cut short his visit to Pakistan by a day and has also cancelled a meeting of business delegations of the two countries, possibly due to the Pulwama attack.

China, which hopes to develop a “strategic partnership” with Saudi Arabia, is expected to seriously weigh signals coming from the Crown Prince, as Saudi Arabia is apparently displeased by Pakistan’s attitude towards India. This may be another reason why Beijing might consider a change in its stance on Masood Azhar.

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 17 Feb 2019 04:59

chetak Ji :

Your Post 17 Feb 2019 03:50

Peregrine saar,

1. How about closing Indian Air Space to Terroristani Aircraft?

The pakis will retaliate. Our fuel costs for the trip will increase because many of our flights to europe and beyond overfly pakilund.

This is expensive in terms of distance travelled for air traffic but the only worthwhile solution now, under the current circumstances. Any sign of tension in this entire area and the Insurance/war risk rates will skyrocket for everyone making both incoming as well as outgoing marine and air traffic more expensive. It will surely hit us more than them, given the relative volumes in maritime trade and air traffic.

2. Closing Indian Air Space to ALL AIR TRAFFIC.

we will be breaking all sorts of international agreements, the UN and also maybe the WTO will go for our throats. We will look like a banana republic, FDI, as well as trade, will be very adversely affected and it will very successfully do what the pakis are so very desperate to do but never could and that is INTERNATIONALIZE CASHMERE, as never before.

Again at the risk of sounding repetitive, the pakis will reciprocate to close their airspace and this will become expensive in terms of distance travelled for air traffic. Any sign of tension in this entire area the Insurance/war risk rates will skyrocket for everyone making both incoming as well as outgoing marine and air traffic more expensive. It will be bad in law as well as for international relations and again it will surely hit us very much more than them, given the relative volumes in maritime trade and air traffic.

I believe Indian Air Traffic to Afghanistan has been using Iranian Air Space.

This is expensive in terms of distance travelled, both for marine and air traffic but the only worthwhile solution now, under the current circumstances. Any sign of tension in this entire area and again the Insurance/war risk rates will skyrocket.

If the taliban take over afghanistan, then our aid to the afghans will become negligible because we will virtually end up feeding the tallibunnies who will corner all the aid from India, under gunpoint.

the pakis are desperate to keep India away from their afghan borders to avoid a two front war with India which they do not want and they also know that India can very easily do from afghanistan what the pakis are doing to India from cashmere.

The hans will keep out of actual fighting so they will be of no use to them except in the UNSC veto deployment for the pakis and always against India

India should increasingly start using this very option, afghan based cross border jehadi attacks into palilund to destabilize them.

the R&AW is every bit as good as the pakis in cross border jehadi attacks, having studied the paki methods for decades now.

if it wasn't for the likes of morarji and gujral, we would have on the top of it by now.

The congis also successfully destroyed Gen VK Singh's Technical Services Division, a secret intelligence unit, because little birds were saying that it was brought up many times in track thoo and our moneyshankar iyer types forced the govt to concede a CBM and shut down the TSD.

Also, heard that it was some retired IA senior track thoo types who were most vocal in calling for the shutdown.

No doubt that many cases of choice single malts would have been room delivered to these well lubricated retired IA senior track thoo types that very same night by their grateful hosts, the ISI.

and for you personally:

How about this for a dramatic image of a Peregrine Falcon!
Bernardo Marraccini.

1. Many thanks for your detailed reply.

2. Regretfully in respect of Terroristan one does tend to exhibit ones talons!

3. Personal feeling : I don't think India will have much of a role to play or stay in Afghanistan if the USA makes Peace with the Taliban as the USA and Terroristan - as the Terroristanis say - will become "Underwear Friends" (Terroristani translation of the term "Langotia Yaars")

Cheers

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 17 Feb 2019 05:04

Dilbu wrote:Was discussing the news with a few non BRF types and none of them could believe the connection between implicit nod-wink from unkil behind all such misadventures from TSP. Either TSP military-jihadi complex has read too much into the cut and run agreement signed by US in Afghanistan and is now emboldened by it. Or a get out of jail card has been given to TSP by three and a half sponsors against China, which they in their typical fashion are using against India too. The west will keep quiet as long as their interests are being served. It is upto India to defend itself.

Dlbu, Good to see you. Your first sentence is correct.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 17 Feb 2019 05:13

UlanBatori wrote:U can get sued. It is one thing to call for boycott goods that support the terrorist enterprise, but quite a different thing to show photos of actual products. Admins pls note and decide. Times are tough.
As the Jarnail of Bakistan said:
In Bakistan v r aljo having Phreedom Oh Sbeech. It eej Phreedom APHTER Sbeech that eej dubiouj.
Phreedom Oph Internet eej aljo naat what it was b4...

Note that there is no national boycott initiated by Indian or any other govt, so you don't have that fallback position: even GOI can get sued in WTC etc if they come out with something.

Look on the bright side: If desis/BRFees are too lazy and 404 to look at the Made In .. label and decide without having color photos shown to them, maybe they deserve to be dhimmis, hain?

It's making rounds on Twitter.
They can go sue themselves.

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 17 Feb 2019 05:16

Mort Walker wrote:1. I don't see why India can't declare TSP as a terrorist country?
2. Why hasn't the Indian foreign mission to TSP been recalled and why has the TSP embassy and consulates in India not closed?
3. Why are borders points open? They should be closed for the foreseeable future.

Mort Walker JI :
The Terroristanis will use it to inflame the prospective users of the Kartarpur Corridor!

1. Terrorists will be emboldened if Kartarpur corridor scuttled: Sidhu

2. Question now plaguing Punjab: Will Pulwama affect Kartarpur Corridor project

3. Pulwama Attack: India Likely To Suspend Talks On Kartarpur Corridor With Pakistan | ABP News

Cheers

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 17 Feb 2019 05:19

Peregrine, I want screenshots or images of your famous rice mixdt with mice schidt post.
Need to make it go viral on SM to cut down Pak exports.

Y I Patel · Post by **Y I Patel** » 17 Feb 2019 05:21

Capturing and retaining land along LoC has long been pushed by the Army in particular as the best option for retribution - it is a constant, visible, and undeniable reminder of the price Pakistan will have to pay for supporting terrorism. Unfortunately it has been trotted out after every serious event since the 90s and the continued use of this threat without follow up has, if anything, caused loss of credibility.

When Gen Panang revealed the plans to capture 30 odd posts, you could read it as him revealing sensitive information. On the other hand, this is something that can be interpreted as the Army using one of it's senior retired officers to remind everyone of the possibilities, were another serious attack on India to happen. That another terrorist atrocity would eventually succeed was a given, and what General Panang was articulating was just a reminder that capturing territory is a viable option that has actually come closer to being realized than most people are aware of.

Whatever the causes for it not being availed of so far, the stars have certainly aligned in the favor of this option as never before - Pakistan has fallen out of favor with its western patrons and is fast becoming an economic and geopolitical liability to China, its economic condition has never been more precarious and war with India more unaffordable, and, very importantly, the timing is tactically highly favorable for India.

The reason for the last needs expanding - thanks to Chinese transgressions since 2010s, there has been a steady build-up of forces and resources acclimatized for all weather high altitude warfare, and the steady infrastructure buildup since Kargil has now made it possible to consider as targets some areas that were previously considered forbiddingly inaccessible especially in winter.

My standard practice is to not make any posts advocating a particular option during such sad and emotionally charged occasions, but I will confess that I will be extremely disappointed this time if this tragedy does not receive some measure of recompense through actions that directly and severely hurt and humiliate Pakistan Army.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 17 Feb 2019 05:22

Folks when balloon goes up I want best behavior. Don't report each other out of holier than thou attitudes.
We don't to ban any one.
Thanks for cooperation.
Vande Mataram
And Josh and hosh high saar.

Y I Patel · Post by **Y I Patel** » 17 Feb 2019 05:23

Simplest solution to Kartarpur shenanigans is to capture some territory along the LoC and announce that publicly. Let Pak Army play peacemaker after that if it can.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 17 Feb 2019 05:25

YIP
Retaliation
Massive
One Two punch to shatter rotten structure

That's what I want.
Panag I lost respect long back.
Just ignore.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 17 Feb 2019 05:26

Bappa Rawal redux.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 17 Feb 2019 05:29

Primus, Thanks for that Mahabharata analogy.

Y I Patel · Post by **Y I Patel** » 17 Feb 2019 05:30

I have to disagree on Gen Panang - his politics may not be everyone's cup of tea and I am willing to give him that for what he did as a military leader. For example his leadership as Brigadier after Kargil and his groundbreaking work in deploying Mech Infantry/Armour in high altitudes. He has a fine military mind but is an abrasive maverick.