Pulwama Attack

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Re: Pulwama Attack

Postby Cain Marko » 20 Feb 2019 21:32

yensoy wrote:
Dilbu wrote:...Since the element of surprise is not there any military option will carry its own risk and there in lies the delay. I think it is only a matter of time before India will take a very visible military action...


Follow the moon. Nobody attacks on full moon day or few days before/after. If anything is to happen, it will be after 28th.

Look for around 7 March and beyond...

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Re: Pulwama Attack

Postby disha » 20 Feb 2019 21:38

On the US travel advisory on Feb 13, here is the actual text (and URL)

https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/traveladvisories/traveladvisories/pakistan-travel-advisory.html

Reconsider travel to Pakistan due to terrorism. Some areas have increased risk. Please read the entire Travel Advisory.

Do not travel to:

Balochistan province and Khyber Pakhtunkhwa (KPK) province, including the former Federally Administered Tribal Areas (FATA), due to terrorism.
The Azad Kashmir area due to terrorism and the potential for armed conflict.
Terrorist groups continue plotting possible attacks in Pakistan. Terrorists may attack with little or no warning, targeting transportation hubs, markets, shopping malls, military installations, airports, universities, tourist locations, schools, hospitals, places of worship, and government facilities. Terrorists have targeted U.S. diplomats and diplomatic facilities in the past, and information suggests they continue to do so.

Terrorist attacks continue to happen across Pakistan, with most occurring in Balochistan and KPK, including the former FATA. Large-scale terrorist attacks have resulted in hundreds of casualties over the last several years.

The U.S. government has limited ability to provide emergency services to U.S. citizens in Pakistan due to the security environment. Travel by U.S. government personnel within Pakistan is restricted, and additional restrictions on movements by U.S. government personnel outside of U.S. diplomatic facilities may occur at any time, depending on local circumstances and security conditions, which can change suddenly.

The U.S. Consulate General in Peshawar is unable to provide any consular services to U.S. citizens.

Due to risks to civil aviation operating within or near Pakistan, the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) has issued a Notice to Airmen (NOTAM).

Read the Safety and Security section on the country information page.

If you decide to travel to Pakistan:

Visit our website for Travel to High-Risk Areas. Remain aware of your surroundings and local events. Vary travel routes and timing, especially for routine trips. Minimize the duration of trips to public markets, restaurants, government and military institutions, and other locations. Minimize the number of U.S./Western nationals congregating in any one location at any time. Enroll in the Smart Traveler Enrollment Program (STEP) to receive security alerts and make it easier to locate you in an emergency. Follow the Department of State on Facebook and Twitter. Review the Crime and Safety Reports for Pakistan. U.S. citizens who travel abroad should always have a contingency plan for emergencies. Review the Traveler’s Checklist.

Balochistan Province

Do not travel to Balochistan province. Active terrorist groups, an active separatist movement, sectarian conflicts, and deadly terrorist attacks against civilians, government offices, and security forces destabilize the province, including all major cities.

Visit our website for Travel to High-Risk Areas.

KPK Province, including the former FATA

Do not travel to KPK province, which includes the former FATA. Active terrorist and insurgent groups conduct attacks against civilians, non-governmental organizations (NGOs), government offices, and security forces. These groups historically have not discriminated between government officials and civilians. Assassination and kidnapping attempts are common, including the targeting of polio eradication teams.

Visit our website for Travel to High-Risk Areas.

Azad Kashmir

Do not travel to the Azad Kashmir area. Militant groups are known to operate in the area. The threat of armed conflict between India and Pakistan remains. Indian and Pakistani military forces periodically exchange fire across the Line of Control (LoC).


Visit our website for Travel to High-Risk Areas.

India-Pakistan Border

India and Pakistan maintain a strong military presence on both sides of the border. The only official Pakistan-India border crossing point for persons who are not citizens of India or Pakistan is in the province of Punjab between Wagah, Pakistan, and Atari, India. Travelers are advised to confirm the status of the border crossing prior to commencing travel. An Indian visa is required to enter India, and no visa services are available at the border.

Visit our website for Travel to High-Risk Areas.

U.S. citizens who travel abroad should always have a contingency plan for emergencies. Review the Traveler’s Checklist.


It is interesting that it got updated. All the chatter on the wire indicated that IEDs will be in play. If one notices, US clearly calls out that terrorists have a safe haven in POK.
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Re: Pulwama Attack

Postby ramana » 20 Feb 2019 21:39

UlanBatori wrote:
Just a day before pulwama attack USA issues travel advisory for all citizens on travel to PoK due to concerns of terrorism and armed conflict

Getting a bit too warm for comfort. All the more reason for India to help the US win in Afghanistan - the only way to do that being to ensure the total, permanent crushing/dismantling of the Taliban and its support base. Afghanistan for Afghans! The south to the shia aligned with Iran, the north to those aligned with Tajikistan/Uzbekistan. The east to the Pashtun. I have no idea who lives west of them. Gypsies?


Lets do some structured thinking

We should
1) Identify the most probable perpetrator and their motives?
Pak->JeM->Pulwama or ??? ->Pak->JeM->Pulwama
a) Did Pak act on own accord and if not who influenced them?
b) and why on both counts?
2) How best to respond in near term?
a) Internally
b) Externally
3) How best to respond to advance long term strategic goal?

No need to work sequentially. Some of you can work on 2) and 3) while others work on 1)
Habal has done great job in collating 1)
other news reports show that
a) JeM was under severe pressure in Kashmir with Azhar's nephews being killed etc. So this could be a motivator for being part of the attack squad.

b) Explosives were being collected over a long period of time.
What else?

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Re: Pulwama Attack

Postby Singha » 20 Feb 2019 21:44

in my opinion afghanistan as it stands today was hardly a natural construct.
it was a product of british and russians fighting and eventual agreement to call the durand line a DMZ over which each other would not intrude. but the british did intrude several times and paid a heavy price incl the british indian army soldiers and camp followers as well documented.

in MH times we hear of gandhara whose king was none other than the treacherous shakuni.

later on in alaksindrs time it was full of warlike tribes both settled and nomadic. seleukus nikator & his line may have ruled it for some time. constant waves of movement and banditry emanating from the mongol and caspian sea basins. chengiz moved through it to plunder and burn iran and iraq to the ground.

some of the more powerful persian empires may have kept a lid on it while they lasted.

imo its heading for a 4-way split into iranian, talipak, tajik and uzbeki zones of influence. ... that is its natural state....a crossroads and ethnic mix that nobody can control.

various rulers are certain points tried to reform the country but the conservative ulema and warlike tribal mix is just too much
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khost_rebellion

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Re: Pulwama Attack

Postby Sanju » 20 Feb 2019 21:45

ArjunPandit wrote:It's not opinon. It's about the nuisance they can create. Few gadflies i didnt mention were KSA, UAE that have traditionally provided active support to them.
Russia being neutral is my own assessment, it has interests with both China and pakistan. China because money, pakistan, because I think they have an ulterior motive in making US leave afghanistan with no clear victory


Thanks.

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Re: Pulwama Attack

Postby manjgu » 20 Feb 2019 21:47

2a IED's under Hurrirats vehicles, Mehbooba mufti in jai on treason, rounding up of all Pro Pak elements including Sidhu ...2b atleast 20 Brahmos strikes on PA HQ and PA Formations.. 3. subvert IWT... stop trade.. snap diplomatic relations... see how to reduce Chini maal in india

I think militancy in J&K is almost finished save for Pulwama and Kulgam districts. 90% of incidents from these two districts. The bombing was to revive sagging morale of the remaining yahoos. Have we explored faultlines between shias/sunnis in J&K. Must get more KM into security forces and into firefights with the holed up rats. A sustained social media campaign is needed..showing militants surrendering..pakistan imploding etc. Work on imams, moulvis of masjids..anyone spreading poision to be eliminated. Army should target families of terrorists.

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Re: Pulwama Attack

Postby disha » 20 Feb 2019 21:50

On item #2/#3 -> Plug'ing in YIP's post from J & K

This should be the best short term tactical and long term strategic goal ->

Sanitize KishenGanga Valley. From Teetwal (in India) - to - Burzil pass (@20 km north of Burzil pass).

https://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewtopic.php?p=2322333#p2322333

Cross posting from Pulwama thread since this is a useful reference:

The biggest reason I would favor the Kishenganga Valley as a target for salami slicing is that it is a relatively lower risk option compared to some other areas along the LoC. India occupies dominating heights along the eastern and southern banks of the river, and since the 90s has on several occasions shut this valley down with shelling. So how has Pakistan been able to hold on to it? Simple - India has never tried to take over the whole valley. The Indian army reached this area in the 47 Kashmir War to throw out the invaders and protect the Kashmir Valley from a northerly access route, and they stopped at the valley because it offered a natural boundary. They probably felt that occupying additional territory in this area had diminishing marginal utility, since the area was and continues to be highly inaccessible from India even after some serious post-Kargil and Kishenganga hydro project related infra buildup. IA did occupy and retain a dominating feature in this area in 1972 to further consolidate dominance. On the other hand, the BSF had advanced to Minimarg in the upper reaches of the Kishenganga valley in 1972 but withdrew unilaterally for fear of over extension.

That said, the strategic calculus is very different in this age of Pakistan sponsored terror. The LoC in the central and lower KG (Kishenganga in this post, not Krishna Godavari) valley is heavily forested and ease of access has made it one of the most active infiltration routes - the infamous Kala Roos and Hafruda forests are close to the LoC here. Old time BRF member LNS is on record as wanting to burn down these forests because of the number of IA fatalities they claim in anti-terror operations. A lot of Paki IITs are located in this KG valley, making it an undeniable candidate if India wants to attack across LoC in self-defense in order to close major routes of terrorist infiltration.

But more than any of that, it is the increased activism of the current Modi government that opens up the most important strategic consideration associated with this valley: Burzil Pass. And let's be clear that now we are extending our discussion significantly beyond it's relationship with KG valley. Burzil Pass is about 15 km or so to the north of Minimarg - the KG valley radiates out to the south and west from it, which is why we are talking about it right now.

But there are two other two valleys connecting to this pass that are arguably even more strategically important. One is the Shingo River valley that radiates to the north and east and joins the Indus River to the north of... Kargil. It enters Indian Ladakh near Kaksar... sound familiar? Saurabh Kalia. Enough said.

And the third valley radiating out is the Astore valley to the west and north west. This valley directly leads to Skardu. The interesting thing about this route to Skardu is that it is actually the shortest route to Skardu form the LoC. In fact, this is a historical route into Kashmir Valley and is called the Srinagar Skardu road.

So here's the punch line: Burzil Pass is actually not that far from LoC. A branch of the Kishenganga actually cuts across the LoC from Minimarg in a southwesterly direction, so locally there are no accessibility issues even in winter. If India were to retake Burzil Pass (and let's be clear, this is a much bigger operation and a different kettle of fish than my original KG idea) then (a) India can move south along KG valley and slice of that valley, (b) move NE and clear the entire Kargil region of Paki intrusions and gain an additional easy access route to Kargil from the Kashmir valley, and (c) get dominating access to Deosai plateau and the road to Skardu and Gilgit.

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Re: Pulwama Attack

Postby Rohit_K » 20 Feb 2019 21:50

Pratyush wrote:Those who are loosing faith in the government for a delay in hitting TSP.

Have some faith, action will happen.

Keep the faith.


GOI’s BAU chankian strategy is causing greater taqleef in TSP. Quoting a munna on Reddit -

We are sick of this crap, either your country attacks us or they meet our PM and talk


:rotfl:

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Re: Pulwama Attack

Postby Singha » 20 Feb 2019 22:01

incredibly complex tableau of warlike hordes criss crossing the blessed land from all sides.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Afghanistan

the seleucids, safavids, kushans, mauryans, ghurids probably enforced some periods of "stability" and "law and order" - these were empires who sought to keep a stable situation not just roam around and plunder in a scorched earth policy.

rest of it is pretty sketchy.....gents like mihirakula the hun who unleashed a reign of terror in north india was a alumni of sorts. its strange where he became a shaivite hindu perhaps some kashmiri pandit met him on his meandering journeys of plunder.

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Re: Pulwama Attack

Postby Mort Walker » 20 Feb 2019 22:04

We may have to wait until after the general election is complete.

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Re: Pulwama Attack

Postby SBajwa » 20 Feb 2019 22:09

Nikhil T wrote:
Karan M wrote:Nikhil T, point out the instances of bigotry etc and we can take action, delete the posts etc. Otherwise, please dont engage in these shoot and scoot tactics of tarring and feathering the forum based on your POV.

That's as unacceptable as any bigotry etc in itself. You could have reported the specific posts, why didnt you do so? Blaming the admins is easy, kindly show some responsibility from your side as well.

Furthermore, using the J and K SOG as a proxy for the much larger section of the population that is radicalized is a logical fallacy. Same applies for the non JandK native martyred at Pulwama.

If you wish that BRF stop discussing the actions of political islamism, merely to assuage your sensibilities, that is unrealistic.

Gen Afsir Karim, who passed away recently, was the one who coined the term, the running dogs of jihad. Would you have accused him of anti Muslim sentiment too? Analysis requires calling a spade a spade and JEM et al are not Norwegian Buddhists but Islamists.

Next, your zero casualties list is doubtful, because obviously there will be retaliation and escalation.


I've reported them, but not sure why we're waiting for folks to report posts that call for using pig fat on Muslims. I've NO issues with discussing political islamism (such as the post above this) or calling out Islamic Terrorism, it's when we propose ideas desecrating a religion that it becomes unworthy of a BRFite.

/My last post on this topic.


Sir!!

These are known facts

1. Fidayeen protect their genitals so that they can use them in islamic paradise.
2. Fidayeen bodies are returned to their relatives.
3. The relatives buried them as per Islamic traditions.

These above are known to all Jihadis! Thus they know that they will get to Islamic Paradise

All Indian army needs to do
1. defile the Fidayeen bodies with pig fat
2. burn them down.

Thus Fidayeen will never get to Paradise and their incentive is lost! This will work!!

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Re: Pulwama Attack

Postby Prashanth_R » 20 Feb 2019 22:09

Rohit_K wrote:
Pratyush wrote:Those who are loosing faith in the government for a delay in hitting TSP.

Have some faith, action will happen.

Keep the faith.


GOI’s BAU chankian strategy is causing greater taqleef in TSP. Quoting a munna on Reddit -

We are sick of this crap, either your country attacks us or they meet our PM and talk


:rotfl:


paki army is not used to this kind of situation where they need to be on high alert everytime expecting a attack. So its definitely cause kujjili in their bum

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Re: Pulwama Attack

Postby Dilbu » 20 Feb 2019 22:13

What is the significance of expelling Pak visitors from Bikaner? Something going on in Rajasthan border? Or GOI wants certain someone to sniff around in Rajasthan while the real masala is being cooked somewhere else. Smoke and mirror onlee.

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Re: Pulwama Attack

Postby sudeepj » 20 Feb 2019 22:20

CRamS wrote:Looks like all the diplomatic efforts have come to naught: Trump bahadur saying India and TSP make p!ss, UN chief's puke, Saudi ass holes giving TSP lotsa moolah and asking India to present 'evidence', of Chincoms b@stards mocking India etc. I won't be surprised if TATF also lets TSP off the hook because Uncle needs TSP for AfPak p!ss talks. So essentially, this barbaric terror attack by TSP has not stirred the so called international community one bit. Knowing that ModiJi is a shrewd operator, I cannot believe there is no strategy post Pulwama. Most likely, he has asked the army for a credible plan instead of just a frontal assault. I like the idea of India puling out of the WC cricket match. But Pulwama horror is gradually fading away.


Other than some random verbiage from Trump, virtually none of this has happened. Its just your fevered imagination.

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Re: Pulwama Attack

Postby salaam » 20 Feb 2019 22:22

Dilbu wrote:What is the significance of expelling Pak visitors from Bikaner? Something going on in Rajasthan border? Or GOI wants certain someone to sniff around in Rajasthan while the real masala is being cooked somewhere else. Smoke and mirror onlee.


Mainly for Military Intelligence perspective.

Not to let Pak have movable target information mainly, as well as suppress troop movement information.

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Re: Pulwama Attack

Postby sudeepj » 20 Feb 2019 22:24

salaam wrote:
Prashanth_R wrote:Call for Cricket Boycott is increasing day by day. Difficult time for ICC ahead, if India takes a stand and boycott World cup, Cricket world cup will be big failure without India. It will be really awkward for pakistan if ICC bans it from Worldcup(in worst case).


It’s just to forfeit Indo-Pak game.


India should not take part in a tournament that includes Pakistan. For all its faults, South Africa never attacked us the way Pakistan has, but we boycotted them, and we should boycott Pakistan in the same way.

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Re: Pulwama Attack

Postby sudeepj » 20 Feb 2019 22:37

nam wrote:
Y I Patel wrote:The biggest reason I would favor the Kishenganga Valley as a target for salami slicing is that it is a relatively lower risk option.


However we would have to capture dominating heights around it, else we will be the same position as Paks now. Will be receiving Pak 155MM rounds for years in the valley.

We cannot capture only the valley.


Escalating the conflict without destroying the means by which the enemy wages war is a folly.

The trouble that India faces today is not that Neelam valley is not in Indian hands. Post the fencing of the LoC, we do not face a problem of jihadis crossing over the LoC while on an evening walk. Our problem is, that Pakistan wages a terrorist war on us behind its facade of a modern military and nuclear bombs.

In fact, if the Neelam valley is in our hands, but Pakistani ability to wage war is not destroyed, they will get a internationally recognized 'cause' to continue to attack India, to liberate 'their land' and to borrow Indian verbiage, 'restore the sanctity of the LoC'. With the Chinese and the Sunni powers backing them, situation will be just as precarious for India, perhaps even more than it is today.

Unless a significant part of the Pakistani conventional capability is not visibly destroyed, unless the Pakistani economy is not destabilized, unless the avg. Pakistani starts facing hardships that they can directly link to their armies actions, this war will simply go on.

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Re: Pulwama Attack

Postby khan » 20 Feb 2019 22:38

I agree with folks here who are suggesting that a land grab somewhere along the LOC would be suitable (and proportionate from Indian POV) response.

It is irreversible because the Pakistanis don’t have the military superiority to reverse the land grab & justifiable many two reasons, including - it is Indian territory to start with and if the land grab is in a region that is hard to patrol - it furthers the cause of sanitizing the border, keeping terrorists out and fighting terror.

Long term this strategy will escalate the cost for the Pakistanis. They will have to put a lot more people on the border to defend against more land-grabs or muzzle their terror groups to keep the pressure off their Army - which means deal with the terror blowback internally. All bad choices for the Pakistanis.
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Re: Pulwama Attack

Postby yensoy » 20 Feb 2019 22:39

salaam wrote:
Dilbu wrote:What is the significance of expelling Pak visitors from Bikaner? Something going on in Rajasthan border? Or GOI wants certain someone to sniff around in Rajasthan while the real masala is being cooked somewhere else. Smoke and mirror onlee.

Mainly for Military Intelligence perspective. Not to let Pak have movable target information mainly, as well as suppress troop movement information.


Interesting indeed! Using the Indo Pak border as a mirror, reflect the position of Bikaner on Pakistan's side, what do you get? Bahawalpur. I hope a lot of yellow pencils with red tips are being sent there now.

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Re: Pulwama Attack

Postby Bart S » 20 Feb 2019 22:42

khan wrote:I agree with folks here who are suggesting that a land grab somewhere along the LOC would be suitable (and proportionate from Indian POV) response.

It is irreversible because the Pakistanis don’t have the military superiority to reverse the land grab & justifiable many two reasons, including - it is Indian territory to start with and if the land grab is in a region that is hard to patrol - it furthers the cause of sanitizing the border, keeping terrorists out and fighting terror.

Long term this strategy will escalate the cost for the Pakistanis. They will have to put a lot more people on the border to defend against more land-grabs or muzzle their terror groups to keep the pressure off their Army - which means deal with the terror blowback internally. All bad choices for the Pakistanis.


It also reduces their 'strategic depth', and water resources further, both items that Pakis are desperate for.

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Re: Pulwama Attack

Postby disha » 20 Feb 2019 22:47

^It also restores free movement into KishenGanga which both the rural Kashmiris need and want and the urban Cashmeres want. Both NC & PDP are on record stating access to KishenGanga Valley is very desirable.

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Re: Pulwama Attack

Postby yensoy » 20 Feb 2019 22:47

sudeepj wrote:...Unless a significant part of the Pakistani conventional capability is not visibly destroyed, unless the Pakistani economy is not destabilized, unless the avg. Pakistani starts facing hardships that they can directly link to their armies actions, this war will simply go on.


You do make a very good point. However the idea of making a visible land grab from Pakis is to mete tit for tat punishment, as well as bring down their holy status among the aam Paki population as a demoralizer. Note how they didn't acknowledge SS - because admitting losses on their part would hurt their izzat within the country, and thereby their legitimacy to call the shots. By undermining the Pakfauj in Paki eyes we can only hope that there is some change in their thinking; possibly a revolution or step towards true civilian rule, also this loser of an army has survived 3 pathetic defeats in the past.

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Re: Pulwama Attack

Postby UlanBatori » 20 Feb 2019 22:57

JFYI, Soggy Bottom issuing a travel advisory a day before the attack means little. If you want to save someone from getting caught in a riot on Monday, you don't issue the Advisory on Sunday saying cancel your ticket. Its too late. So that advisory was probably based on reports of increased readiness at Air Fauj bases and LOC posts, and maybe Pepto Bismol Demand Tracker (PBDT). Like:
Peggy Sue says that there's somepn goin on in Pakistan: We should probably issue an advisor just to be safe, even odds that the buggers are planning some hit inside Cashmore, and expecting the injuns to get mad enough to whup them.

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Re: Pulwama Attack

Postby syam » 20 Feb 2019 23:03

I have a CT (It's bugging me all day. . please treat it as possible scenario but not exactly true)

It's well established that Pakistan is a terrorist organization which supplies suicide bombers to the rich clients. Once the attack is over, it is done deal for Pakis. There is no agenda for them. My question is, what's the main plan? We have rough idea of who the client is. Also what the end goal is.

What if US actively helping Pakis behind the scene? Their intel is far superior to us. All they need is just few bad visuals and chaos. Enough to harass the voter with regular #BlowToModi. Modi lose, India checkmate.

My CT based on,
US, 44 other nations attend 5-day Pakistan naval exercise - Feb 8

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Re: Pulwama Attack

Postby sudeepj » 20 Feb 2019 23:10

yensoy wrote:
sudeepj wrote:...Unless a significant part of the Pakistani conventional capability is not visibly destroyed, unless the Pakistani economy is not destabilized, unless the avg. Pakistani starts facing hardships that they can directly link to their armies actions, this war will simply go on.


You do make a very good point. However the idea of making a visible land grab from Pakis is to mete tit for tat punishment, as well as bring down their holy status among the aam Paki population as a demoralizer. Note how they didn't acknowledge SS - because admitting losses on their part would hurt their izzat within the country, and thereby their legitimacy to call the shots. By undermining the Pakfauj in Paki eyes we can only hope that there is some change in their thinking; possibly a revolution or step towards true civilian rule, also this loser of an army has survived 3 pathetic defeats in the past.


I would rather shit in the enemies bed, piss in his fridge rip apart his carpets, put paan stains on his walls and leave, than occupy a room of his house and make it my job to maintain that room up to my standards.

Our goal should be to make surgical strikes, punitive economic disruption etc. routine (like PSLV launches) because that is the kind of sustained 'training' that is needed to tame the narrative among Pakistani elite. JMHO.

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Re: Pulwama Attack

Postby Mort Walker » 20 Feb 2019 23:16

Has the border at this time been closed to visitors and has the daily show at Wagah been ended?

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Re: Pulwama Attack

Postby Anant » 20 Feb 2019 23:19

With security cover being withdrawn for most of the scumbags, why not send sniper squads and kill these people. It might minimize casualties in a shooting war.

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Re: Pulwama Attack

Postby khan » 20 Feb 2019 23:23

sudeepj wrote:Unless a significant part of the Pakistani conventional capability is not visibly destroyed, unless the Pakistani economy is not destabilized, unless the avg. Pakistani starts facing hardships that they can directly link to their armies actions, this war will simply go on.


I don’t think anyone disagrees it would be nice to take out Pakistani conventional capability.

However, it will mean total war which is not just disproportionate to the outrage but will be a very expensive proposition.

Something more proportional, like a land-grab will humiliate them, will have a similar psychological effect as the destruction of their conventional capability - at a much lower cost,

Who knows, if the Pakistanis behave stupidly, in responding to the land grab and escalate the situation - it might very well end up in the destruction of Pakistani conventional capabilities.

And if you want to take our Pakistani military capabilities, responding to Pakistani aggression to take out their military capability is a cheaper and smarter way to do this.

It is more justifiable because being a victim and responding to an esclation is much more diplomatically palatable than being an aggressor. It is also much cheaper, because instead of Indian troops going to Pakistan and dealing with God only knows what kinds of unpleasantness in that god-forsaken country, if Pakistan escalates Pakistan will be the aggressor and Indian troops will be slaughtering them at the border - at a much lower cost for India both in terms of money and human lives.

Even if the end game is the destruction of Pakistani conventional capability - you have to start somewhere. A significant land grab (or a similar punishment) and forcing them to either respond or be humiliated (both bad choices) - is a great place to start.

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Re: Pulwama Attack

Postby Gagan » 20 Feb 2019 23:25

SBajwa wrote:All Indian army needs to do
1. defile the Fidayeen bodies with pig fat
2. burn them down.

Thus Fidayeen will never get to Paradise and their incentive is lost! This will work!!

The thing is that Islamist terror organizations will find some hadith section 420, subsection 840, sub-sub section 420 which says
"Rejoice potential soosai bummer"
"All ij well"
"It ij OK to be soosai bummer - koopher can dephile your body all he wants, joo will still get 72 hoors in djannat"


AoA to that

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Re: Pulwama Attack

Postby SBajwa » 20 Feb 2019 23:32

Gagan wrote:
SBajwa wrote:All Indian army needs to do
1. defile the Fidayeen bodies with pig fat
2. burn them down.

Thus Fidayeen will never get to Paradise and their incentive is lost! This will work!!

The thing is that Islamist terror organizations will find some hadith section 420, subsection 840, sub-sub section 420 which says
"Rejoice potential soosai bummer"
"All ij well"
"It ij OK to be soosai bummer - koopher can dephile your body all he wants, joo will still get 72 hoors in djannat"


AoA to that


Get some Maulana to declare the Fatwa every month that burned bodies are not accepted in Jannat.

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Re: Pulwama Attack

Postby Gagan » 20 Feb 2019 23:36

Maulanars have been issuing fatwas against soosai bumming for decades now.
Just as they have been issuing fatwas against having sex with goats, camels and homosexuality
Problem is, no one listens to these maulanas

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Re: Pulwama Attack

Postby Lalmohan » 20 Feb 2019 23:39

someone above makes a good point - pak army staying on high alert for a few more weeks will cause a significant problem in terms of their manpower and logistics management, it will be wearing them down and getting them frustrated enough to do something stupid on their own
with all that focus on the LOC, the other non state acting beards might do something of their own accord in the Punjab or Sindh or the Baluchi Freedom Fighters might take the initiative...

and then might be a better time to strike...

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Re: Pulwama Attack

Postby Gagan » 20 Feb 2019 23:46

That is what happened in 71
They had premature mijjile phyrr as they could not take the shadow pitai any longer

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Re: Pulwama Attack

Postby Lalmohan » 20 Feb 2019 23:49

it seems to me that its high time a rogue somali pirate crew took a pak merchant vessel on a detour visit to Djibouti and accidentally ran it aground on a reef that appeared out of nowhere in the middle of the western konkan sea off the coast of Karachi

oye hoye hoye and a baatle aaf skaatch...

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Re: Pulwama Attack

Postby Dilbu » 20 Feb 2019 23:53

Why don't we do the actual phyrr and then claim they did a premature phyrr so we had to phyrr back. We can also play this game, no?

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Re: Pulwama Attack

Postby Lalmohan » 20 Feb 2019 23:54

Dilbu wrote:Why don't we do the actual phyrr and then claim they did a premature phyrr so we had to phyrr back. We can also play this game, no?


that is purana topi ka khel
has been going on since 47

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Re: Pulwama Attack

Postby SBajwa » 21 Feb 2019 00:02

Defence housing authority, WAPDA, Model Town lahore are all from 5-10 miles from border. Get your satellites to verify first if Lieutenant General Majid Ehsan of Lahore corps is in vicinity and attack them.

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Re: Pulwama Attack

Postby SBajwa » 21 Feb 2019 00:07

Sooner or later!! They will repeat the same mistake of 1971 trying to preempt and attacking Indian air bases.
Hoping Indians will retaliate and a quick 7-8 day war. We want a war of attrition which they cannot afford.
Watch for the shopping being done by the Baki army around the world.

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Re: Pulwama Attack

Postby SBajwa » 21 Feb 2019 00:28

https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/sport ... 32046.html

New Delhi, February 20

Former India captain Sourav Ganguly on Wednesday called for severing all sporting ties with Pakistan in the wake of Pulwama terror attack which left 40 CRPF personnel martyred.

Ganguly echoed sentiments of his one-time teammate Harbhajan Singh, saying that not playing Pakistan in one group league tie in the upcoming World Cup will not affect India’s chances.
However, Ganguly didn’t elaborate whether the protest should be symbolic for one game or India should forfeit if they happen to meet Pakistan in semi-final or final.

“This is a 10-team World Cup and each team plays matches against every other team and I feel if India doesn’t play a match in the World Cup, it won’t be an issue,” Ganguly told India TV.
“I feel it will be really difficult for ICC to go on with a World Cup without India. But, you also have to see if India has the power to stop ICC from doing such a thing. But, personally I feel a strong message should be sent,” Ganguly added.

Ganguly said India should to cut off all ties with the neighbouring country.

“And, whatever reactions came from the people of India...was right. There is no chance of a bilateral series with Pakistan after this incident. I agree that after this attack, India should not only stop playing cricket, hockey or football with Pakistan but should cut all ties with them,” Ganguly said. — PTI

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Re: Pulwama Attack

Postby Raveen » 21 Feb 2019 00:48

SBajwa wrote:https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/sport/not-just-cricket-cut-off-all-sporting-ties-with-pakistan-ganguly/732046.html

New Delhi, February 20

Former India captain Sourav Ganguly on Wednesday called for severing all sporting ties with Pakistan in the wake of Pulwama terror attack which left 40 CRPF personnel martyred.

Ganguly echoed sentiments of his one-time teammate Harbhajan Singh, saying that not playing Pakistan in one group league tie in the upcoming World Cup will not affect India’s chances.
However, Ganguly didn’t elaborate whether the protest should be symbolic for one game or India should forfeit if they happen to meet Pakistan in semi-final or final.

“This is a 10-team World Cup and each team plays matches against every other team and I feel if India doesn’t play a match in the World Cup, it won’t be an issue,” Ganguly told India TV.
“I feel it will be really difficult for ICC to go on with a World Cup without India. But, you also have to see if India has the power to stop ICC from doing such a thing. But, personally I feel a strong message should be sent,” Ganguly added.

Ganguly said India should to cut off all ties with the neighbouring country.

“And, whatever reactions came from the people of India...was right. There is no chance of a bilateral series with Pakistan after this incident. I agree that after this attack, India should not only stop playing cricket, hockey or football with Pakistan but should cut all ties with them,” Ganguly said. — PTI


Agree!


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