Pulwama Attack

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 18 Feb 2019 21:38

UlanBatori wrote:This MO is Berkeley-Stanford IMO.
Was watching "A Bridge Too Far" this weekend. For the first hour the Germans had no hope: every attempt to cross the bridge was met with accurate fire, MANY casualties and armored vehicles littered the bridge.

Then the Jarnail said:
FLATTEN ARNHEM!
Probably he said:
EBNEN Arnhem!
From that moment on the paratroopers had no hope, and it ended with the wounded being abandoned to be captured and the others escaping in the night across the river. 10,000 went in. Under 2000 came out.

Even if IA goes barefoot (I am still not over the rage from BlueStar SNAFU) and escorts the pigs one by one in chariots and avoids damaging the paint on the houses, the pigs will still be pelting stones. So whom are they trying to please? I think all the towns and villages in the Kashmir Valley desperately need REAL development funds: as in Reconstruction, Blackwater/Halliburton style, with Waste Management/Reliance India getting the first contract for reconstruction

in all these years, development and central assistance funds have never reduced to cashmere. In fact, the highest per capita central assistance, much more than is made to any other state is given to cashmere.

I think its time they felt the pain and they get exactly what the other similar sized states get. Their tax contribution to the center is pathetic and most of the assistance is greedily swallowed mostly by the valley sunnis.

saip · Post by **saip** » 18 Feb 2019 21:38

Have we recalled OUR Ambassador to that Sh**land yet? If not, time we did.

Pakistan calls back high commissioner from India, says FO
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Karthik S · Post by **Karthik S** » 18 Feb 2019 21:40

chetak wrote:
Karthik S wrote:Next time hopefully we'll use LCH. Enough of this stupid policy of engaging a hours long firefight with handful of terrorists and losing our precious soldiers.
they will smuggle in shoulder fired missile systems. There are plenty of these still with the ISI which grabbed them during and after the soviet war in afghanistan and managed to "disappear" them. Thousands of them went unaccounted.

This suicide bombing is a very serious and calculated escalation especially after decades of low caliber weapons usage.

It ties in with MBS's visit and it looks like they put on a special show for him, hoping to induce/sucker us to attack.

the pakis are known for putting on such shows during high profile visits to either India or even pakistan

Hope that there is nothing planned for MBs's visit to India.

Well if terrorists fire shoulder fired missiles at attack helos, then I'd expect brahmos smashing some walls in rawalpindi. Anyway, point is blow up the fu$king place where terrorists are held up.
But I highly doubt with people like pappu ram mad-dough taking strategic political decisions, our military will be given free hand.

Vamsi_V · Post by **Vamsi_V** » 18 Feb 2019 21:47

We already called back our ambassador from Pakistan. Btw i cannot open bharatkeveer.gov.in from USA is there any other way I can contribute to our martyrs? Any help will be greatly appreciated.

anishns · Post by **anishns** » 18 Feb 2019 21:50

Singha wrote:a even bigger mcmansion to right of it

All in all very disheartening and poor tactics from world's second largest army. So sad losing precious army lives over these rats, especially after 44 already murdered. Looking at those mansions these m*f* terrorists seem to be way well off and better equipped than our army men. Those old Mahindra jeeps probably won't even stop an AK round

Singhaji is correct, this Kamran pig is a f***ing nobody. He along with the other stooge were just cannon fodder
And once we've established that he is a paki national what other proof do we need to waste lives trying to take him alive...
So, that we can have candlelight marches for him in JNU and feed him biryani in Tihar !!!

We should waste these f-Cukers at the first opportunity...rain hell on them so that, the next time some disgruntled loser kashmiri even as much as picks up a pebble, he should soil his Shalwars thinking about how we handle terrorists & their wellwishers!

भय बिन होय न प्रीत

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 18 Feb 2019 21:57

saip wrote:Have we recalled OUR Ambassador to that Sh**land yet? If not, time we did.

Pakistan calls back high commissioner from India, says FO
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don't recalled and calls back mean different things in diplomacy??.

we had called back our high commissioner before they called back their's, both returned for "consultations".

bharotshontan · Post by **bharotshontan** » 18 Feb 2019 21:57

Indian polity has crushed insurgencies with 10x the brutality from Khalistan to Nakshals (both Bengali driven of 60s/70s to Adivasi belt post 90s) to Nagas, Mizos, Bodos, Ahoms, Tamils than what has been meted out to Kashmir valley Muslims.

Why are we beholden to doing kiddy glove treatment to Kashmiri Muslims? I see posters writing how not doing the above can lead to "civil war situation with 200mn Indian Muslims". Seriously? We will keep being subject to Islamist thuggery like this unless we call the bluff for what it is. The bluff of the so called civil war succeeded after 1946 Kolkata bloodbath on direct action day to the point of accepting Pakistan, and we keep reaping the fruits of this tree (which also includes the Pakistanis doing full population transfer out of Indians but Indians not doing the same, so same threat keeps being held over our heads).

Fwiw I think 99% of this 200 million Indian Muslims are either apathetic to these 10 million or so Kashmir valley Muslims and/or sympathetic to the Indian state snuffing out the KM's in similar manner as the aforementioned insurgencies. Even if the Rakhine solution is invoked in the valley, India including this 200 million will live on.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 18 Feb 2019 22:05

bharotshontan wrote:Indian polity has crushed insurgencies with 10x the brutality from Khalistan to Nakshals (both Bengali driven of 60s/70s to Adivasi belt post 90s) to Nagas, Mizos, Bodos, Ahoms, Tamils than what has been meted out to Kashmir valley Muslims.

Why are we beholden to doing kiddy glove treatment to Kashmiri Muslims? I see posters writing how not doing the above can lead to "civil war situation with 200mn Indian Muslims". Seriously? We will keep being subject to Islamist thuggery like this unless we call the bluff for what it is. The bluff of the so called civil war succeeded after 1946 Kolkata bloodbath on direct action day to the point of accepting Pakistan, and we keep reaping the fruits of this tree (which also includes the Pakistanis doing full population transfer out of Indians but Indians not doing the same, so same threat keeps being held over our heads).

Fwiw I think 99% of this 200 million Indian Muslims are either apathetic to these 10 million or so Kashmir valley Muslims and/or sympathetic to the Indian state snuffing out the KM's in similar manner as the aforementioned insurgencies. Even if the Rakhine solution is invoked in the valley, India including this 200 million will live on.

I did make the comment re "civil war situation with India Muslims" in one post BUT that was in response to the proposal to "expel and /or cleanse" the valley of Muslims.

We need to quote the context correct to get the meaning right. You expel one group of Muslims for being Muslims and you will have a civil war in the rest of India for no one know who will be next. Focus on terrorist, their sympathizers and enablers.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 18 Feb 2019 22:09

For flattening structures housing terrorist Carl Gustaf should be good enough when required.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 18 Feb 2019 22:09

regular indian IMs probably resent the special chocolates and lollypops that are the birthright of the kashimiri IM. that too for behaving badly. it all started during banditjis time and has carried on.

yensoy · Post by **yensoy** » 18 Feb 2019 22:10

Why should we expel when we can saturate? Repeal 370, remove subsidies and populate the place with hardworking folks from the rest of the country. Learn from the masters of this art, the Chinese.

Unless and until 370 is repealed, all the rest of the drama is not going to lead to an enduring "steady state" solution.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 18 Feb 2019 22:15

Singha wrote:the young guy "Kamran" they are showing as mastermind is probably just a shell game by the Jaish.

its hard to believe a young boy is supposedly a afghan war vet and criminal mastermind to be organising such a complex chain of events.

but its a good lollipop to induce the GOI under sickular pressure to declare the innings and go home.

he was probably just the tech guy who only did the set up of the VBIED.

the logistics and the training of the actual trigger boy would have been done by some super specialists. Not everyone can do this selection of the bomber and convince him and then keep the guy highly motivated until he heads off on that final trip. He has to be watched every minute of the day and night without making it obvious or intrusive.

Sure, he would have been allowed to try out a few slightly used virgins to keep him in good humour and in practice for the promised 72.

I am also sure that there is a telephoto video of the actual attack and bombing that has been shown to some camel loving royalty.

bharotshontan · Post by **bharotshontan** » 18 Feb 2019 22:23

yensoy wrote:Why should we expel when we can saturate? Repeal 370, remove subsidies and populate the place with hardworking folks from the rest of the country. Learn from the masters of this art, the Chinese.

Unless and until 370 is repealed, all the rest of the drama is not going to lead to an enduring "steady state" solution.

I agree with 370 repeal, but this is not the full solution or even 50% of the way to the full solution. Maybe in the ballpark of 20%.

How many Hindus are willing to go settle and build from bottom up in a rabid Islamist hole like Kashmir valley? We do palayan in the middle of Hindu majority India like Kairana to even neighbourhoods in Mumbai to Kolkata.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 18 Feb 2019 22:47

So called national unity has all but evaporated, fault lines across the ideological spectrum are glaringly visible. You have ass holes like Ajai Shukla (this guy must be investigated) along with that monkey Navjot Sidhu leading the pack. Full gang of Lutyen elites not far behind. Its all Modi Modi baaad. Game progressing just as TSP wanted.

Supratik · Post by **Supratik** » 18 Feb 2019 22:53

Pankaj please don't bring in unnecessary hyperbole of civil war and try to scare the Indian state. The module had to be neutralized as no one knows if they were planning several attacks. Hence, the large casualties on army side. Not all KMs are anti-India as without the support of pro-Indian KMs the information will not come and the terrorists will not be neutralized continuously in large numbers. In totalitarian ideologies the gun holding minorities keep the majority under suppression. Both Iran and China will be different states if the totalitarian rulers were to suddenly disappear. They keep the majority silent through threats of violence, ideology, propaganda. Once Art35A and Art370 goes this silent majority will come out and get the benefit of protection from other Indians. The KM elite and hardliners who benefit from the conflict know this and hence the khujli.

manjgu · Post by **manjgu** » 18 Feb 2019 22:55

now it does not matter what the Lootyens gang does or says...its out of control of Modi as well... if he does not act he has lost 2019...so now politics will guide and drive things from here on... i dont know why we dont allow a safe crossing point from the valley into POK? and also provide a one way ticket.

Rishi_Tri · Post by **Rishi_Tri** » 18 Feb 2019 22:57

bharotshontan wrote:
yensoy wrote:Why should we expel when we can saturate? Repeal 370, remove subsidies and populate the place with hardworking folks from the rest of the country. Learn from the masters of this art, the Chinese.

Unless and until 370 is repealed, all the rest of the drama is not going to lead to an enduring "steady state" solution.
How many Hindus are willing to go settle and build from bottom up in a rabid Islamist hole like Kashmir valley? We do palayan in the middle of Hindu majority India like Kairana to even neighbourhoods in Mumbai to Kolkata.

Very Very motivated!! Well you have been sleeping for last thirty years or watched only select media channels or made this comment deliberately.. Let me refresh your memory .. Ayodhya Babri.. Bhagalpur.. Godhara.. Hubli.. Hyderabad.. Muzaffarnagar.. etc.. riots.. 1000s killed..

Even today there are 1000s from Bihar, UP working on railway, dam, highway projects all across Kashmir and for years.. (do note: not Ladakh or Jammu).. they shall be first to buy land and build houses for themselves once it opens up.. and they are not working alone.. their spouses go and stay with them.. for whatever length they can..

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 18 Feb 2019 23:01

This is what I wrote in my last post a few posts back

pankajs wrote:I did make the comment re "civil war situation with India Muslims" in one post BUT that was in response to the proposal to "expel and /or cleanse" the valley of Muslims.

We need to quote the context correct to get the meaning right. You expel one group of Muslims for being Muslims and you will have a civil war in the rest of India for no one know who will be next. Focus on terrorist, their sympathizers and enablers.

Supratik wrote:Pankaj please don't bring in unnecessary hyperbole of civil war and try to scare the Indian state. The module had to be neutralized as no one knows if they were planning several attacks. Hence, the large casualties on army side. Not all KMs are anti-India as without the support of pro-Indian KMs the information will not come and the terrorists will not be neutralized continuously in large numbers. In totalitarian ideologies the gun holding minorities keep the majority under suppression. Both Iran and China will be different states if the totalitarian rulers were to suddenly disappear. They keep the majority silent through threats of violence, ideology, propaganda. Once Art35A and Art370 goes this silent majority will come out and get the benefit of protection from other Indians. The KM elite and hardliners who benefit from the conflict know this and hence the khujli.

Which part was not clear?

1. That targeting Kashmiri Muslims for being Muslims will lead to insecurity in the rest of the Indian Muslim population.
2. Or, "Focus on terrorist, their sympathizers and enablers."

Bart S · Post by **Bart S** » 18 Feb 2019 23:12

CRamS wrote:So called national unity has all but evaporated, fault lines across the ideological spectrum are glaringly visible. You have ass holes like Ajai Shukla (this guy must be investigated) along with that monkey Navjot Sidhu leading the pack. Full gang of Lutyen elites not far behind. Its all Modi Modi baaad. Game progressing just as TSP wanted.

And you are basing your 'sky is falling' type narrative on the social media pukings of the 0.01% of the population who are Lutyens/Commie/Anti-nationals?

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 18 Feb 2019 23:15

For the record (sorry if already posted): The PROOF Pak was asking..
Three Jaish terrorists killed today at Pulwama -- Including Pakistani terrorist Kamran who is a close aide of Rauf Asgar, brother of Jaish Chief Maulana Masood Azhar. Kamran has conspired the CRPF suicide bombing. (Keep this link handy)

Source: (Twitter Aditya Raj Kaul's Verified account
@AdityaRajKaul
Senior Associate Editor/Anchor - @Republic TV)

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 18 Feb 2019 23:19

Bart S wrote:
CRamS wrote:So called national unity has all but evaporated, fault lines across the ideological spectrum are glaringly visible. You have ass holes like Ajai Shukla (this guy must be investigated) along with that monkey Navjot Sidhu leading the pack. Full gang of Lutyen elites not far behind. Its all Modi Modi baaad. Game progressing just as TSP wanted.

And you are basing your 'sky is falling' type narrative on the social media pukings of the 0.01% of the population who are Lutyens/Commie/Anti-nationals?

Exactly!

CRamS saar watches rNDTV, reads NY Time / WaPo, follows Lutyen elites gang and gets blood pressure and then shares his though process with us on this board.

Modi's victory last time was not because of these Lutyen elites gang BUT inspite of them. The same hold true this time too.

Mollick.R · Post by **Mollick.R** » 18 Feb 2019 23:23

It's time that India takes a firmly defined policy of not handing over the bodies of dead piglets to their kins.
What purpose does it serves other then glorified Funeral procession dead terrorists ???

Even if it is must to hand over the bodies ensure few IEDMubaraks on Funeral procession every now and then. Enough of this velvet glove touch.

vinod · Post by **vinod** » 18 Feb 2019 23:34

^^ agree...

They do this to enter heaven. Deny them that.. no one will come forward to be an islamist.

Why can't we say that we don't know who they are.. may be they are Pakistani's. Ask Pakistanis to confirm.. they will of course refuse. So, we will dispose of the body after few days of rotting in a incinerator.

If its a local islamists, we say no one has been reported missing. If the parents or relatives come, ask them to pay for dna test, cost of storing the body etc... wait for few days to rot, increase the cost... and then hand over, if necessary. Otherwise, incinerate.

As per their custom, to go to heaven, you have to be buried same day! Deny them that!

sudeepj · Post by **sudeepj** » 18 Feb 2019 23:35

Karan M wrote:Gen Hasnains options for Indias response. Please especially focus on the military options.

While his logic of appeasing the Kashmiris may be sound from the tactical part of securing the hinterland, I fear he completely misunderstands how frustrated the average Indian is with rabid Kashmiris who want Indian dole but abuse/attack Indians at the same time. It's not some RW cadre as he puts it, being from a hierarchical, top down org, I feel he doesnt understand public sentiment and how it suddenly coalesces.

https://m.rediff.com/news/interview/pak ... Elk7TZrXgg

Hasnain is a political opportunist, as are a lot of those who reach Lt. Gen rank. He will flip from a secular nationalist to anything else depending on the dispensation in power. For many generals too, the importance given to them is there only as long as the conflict is there. Its a sad realization but its true. The rot in the political establishment and general society can not be expected to stay away from the armed forces, especially the higher ranks. Panag, Hasnain, Kapoor, Dulat.. Lots of names too vested in just keeping the conflict going so they can play conflict managers. To hell with these people who are preening around with their medals as their men die like flies around them.

Most of the men who died are from the middle class/lower middle class, while the people thrusting themselves in the way of vengeance are from colleges like St Stephens. As the Indian middle class has grown, its perception that the elite want to use them has also grown. And English accented gyan dispensing machines just wont suffice to keep them mollified.

Finally, I just cant believe that an Army that is the biggest importer of weapons in the world, that has a budget equal to the national budget of a country that is 1/10 the GDP, can not take on the smaller opponent. If push comes to shove, India can easily increase the military budget by 30% for a 2-3 years and settle the issue, then reap the peace dividend.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 18 Feb 2019 23:39

in the army op which went through night 3 JeM eliminated but whats worrying is too many army officers injured ...
a captain
a brigadier
3 soldiers KIA
a DIG
a major killed

can some one pls explain why so many moralities and injuries on our side to capture 3 terrorists and why so many high ranking officials at site?

saip · Post by **saip** » 18 Feb 2019 23:40

Do we need to see those ugly faces? Won't a link suffice?

Vivek K · Post by **Vivek K** » 18 Feb 2019 23:48

We need to see these to have closure over the dear ones lost.

Supratik · Post by **Supratik** » 18 Feb 2019 23:53

IndraD, as I have explained they had to neutralize the module in case more attacks were planned. It was led from the front. Hence, higher casualties. They sacrificed themselves to save more lives.

Shameek · Post by **Shameek** » 18 Feb 2019 23:55

Another BS article by the BBC. Too many Indians read and believe these and then repeat those lines. If the gora world is attacked then the attackers are terrorists since they said so. If its us then always 'alleged' since our word has no value of course. Its sickening to read the way these reports are drafted. The media after all should not provide its own opinions until it serves their interests to do so.

Link

Nine people, including four Indian soldiers and a policeman, have been killed in Indian-administered Kashmir during a gun battle, police say.
The clash occurred in Pulwama, where more than 40 Indian paramilitary police were killed in a bombing last week.
That attack, the worst in decades, has fuelled tensions between nuclear-armed India and Pakistan.
A civilian and three alleged militants were also among those killed in Monday's confrontation.
Police say the three suspected militants who were killed are members of Pakistan-based group Jaish-e-Mohammad (JeM), which said it was responsible for Thursday's suicide bombing.

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 18 Feb 2019 23:56

Was talking to a friend, and civilian life appears to be pretty normal. No obvious civil defense preparations for any big time escalation. Neither siren drills nor potassium iodide distribution is under way.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 18 Feb 2019 23:57

saip wrote:Have we recalled OUR Ambassador to that Sh**land yet? If not, time we did.

Pakistan calls back high commissioner from India, says FO
Link

India's High Commissioner and Military Attache are back in Delhi soon after the attack.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 19 Feb 2019 00:03

Iran Pressure on Pakistan , Deployed Tomcat and other stuff

https://twitter.com/BabakTaghvaee/statu ... 4232623107

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 19 Feb 2019 00:10

I am banning syam. I already posted no whines or hyperbole.
PERIOD.
BYE.
Note to other admins. Please no nice guy. Just ban.

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 19 Feb 2019 00:11

Meanwhile it seems that this photo trending on twitter is causing Paki khujli ..
Even diplomats do not shake hands with terrorists... just a customary "namaste" at ICJ..

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 19 Feb 2019 00:17

IndraD wrote:in the army op which went through night 3 JeM eliminated but whats worrying is too many army officers injured ...
a captain
a brigadier
3 soldiers KIA
a DIG
a major killed

can some one pls explain why so many moralities and injuries on our side to capture 3 terrorists and why so many high ranking officials at site?

From news reports please read before posting usch questions which imply incompetence.

The Initial officer and 3 soldiers were killed when they reached the house where these three terrorists were holed up. The terrorists opened foire when the cordon party was approaching. No confirmation the terrorists were in the house.
The other were injured as the house was under siege.
As to why senior officers were injured, IA leads from front. And does not send young soldiers to harms way.
BTW injury list is much larger shows how well armed the three terrorists were.
Doesn't matter they are dead.

Raveen · Post by **Raveen** » 19 Feb 2019 00:17

Amber G. wrote:Meanwhile it seems that this photo trending on twitter is causing Paki khujli ..
Even diplomats do not shake hands with terrorists... just a customary "namaste" at ICJ..

Bravo

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 19 Feb 2019 00:18

saip wrote:Do we need to see those ugly faces? Won't a link suffice?

YES. Need to see them dead.
Bring closure to all the visitors who come here for news.
Forum is not just for the members.

And understand the pain that AmberG, one of the most gentlest members here who has posted them, felt.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 19 Feb 2019 00:23

MbS has returned home without coming to India from Pakistan after joint statement on Saudi-Pak business. Meeting in general was marred by many photo op fiasco
https://twitter.com/TalatHussain12/stat ... 3357122564

https://twitter.com/sanabucha/status/10 ... 8320787458

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 19 Feb 2019 00:26

ramana wrote:
saip wrote:Do we need to see those ugly faces? Won't a link suffice?
YES. Need to see them dead.
Bring closure to all the visitors who come here for news.
Forum is not just for the members.

And understand the pain that AmberG, one of the most gentlest members here who has posted them, felt.

+108

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 19 Feb 2019 00:33

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