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...]Take this for what it's worth:

Atmosphere Beginning to Thaw, Says Pak Lawmaker in India for Kumbh Mela

Why wasn't this guy's visa revoked? ....
The Sindh-based PTI leader Ramesh Kumar Vankwani, who is a lawmaker on minority seat, is in India as part of a 220-member delegation from 185 countries who attended the Kumbh Mela on an invite of the Indian government.
FWIW: (News from some time ago, but just before Pulwama terrorists scums..(last month)..
The People of Sindhudesh were expected to Join the #PashtunLongMarch2Karachi to align our people against the Pakistani-State Terrorism.

Here is a picture from around last week of Jan 2019..
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UlanBatori wrote:Wonder how independent SC is on matters of real national security and strategy. I am sure TheirHonners also eat rice, hain? The question b4 the court is whether people in one state should have special privileges 68 years after the Constitution was adopted. It is similar to the decision re: Princely States and we know how that ended. I do not believe the PS' Administrations were asked for permission, to abolish their Privy Purses (which were also written into the Constitution or whatever). Here the Indian public are asking why these *&^&** StoneThrowers' Purse should be continued at the expense of the aam desi.
So the J&K Administration (yes, part of the Central Government) can afford to say: "Hey, WE r innocent!" Does not matter what they say, to the SC. Nor to the stone-throwers who will attack them.
I think the government will let the SC hear the case and see where it proceeds from there. It could be up to 6 months before there is an actual ruling, but hopefully much sooner. That said, the SC is an activist court based on the Sabrimala Temple and homosexual relations rulings. They do seem to be overly liberal and may side with the stone throwers in that 35A will be deemed sacrosanct like the fudge packers' and carpet munchers' activities.
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Letting the court decide is a great move. Govt can pass ordinance or amend constitution always. But if court does it, it's easier. Otherwise courts get exposed for their view points driving much needed discussion on our courts.
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Cashmeres are thinking only one way. They know that Article 35A is unconstitutional and went in via only President of India's assent.

Now what does 35A* actually state:
No person who is not a Permanent Resident of Jammu and Kashmir can own property in Jammu and Kashmir.
No person who is not a Permanent Resident of Jammu and Kashmir can obtain job within Jammu and Kashmir Government.
No person who is not a Permanent Resident of Jammu and Kashmir can join any professional college run by government of Jammu and Kashmir or get any form of government aid out of government funds.
And who is a Permanent Resident of the state?
The Jammu and Kashmir Constitution, which was adopted on November 17, 1956, defined a Permanent Resident (PR) of the state as a person who was a state subject on May 14, 1954, or who has been a resident of the state for 10 years, and has “lawfully acquired immovable property in the state”.
And how can one acquire immovable property in the state lawfully?

No you cannot. You have to inherit the land.

Now here is what will get Cashmere's goats. If article 35A is ruled legal by SC, then all states in the union of India can define "residency of state" and at the very least do the following:
No person who is not a Permanent Resident of <state> can obtain job within <state government>
No person who is not a Permanent Resident of <state> can join any professional college run by government of <state> or get any form of government aid out of government funds.
Anyway there is clamor of such a thing in Bengaluru, Kerala.

Article 35A is illegal.

SC can only do the following:

1. kick the can down the road - status quo continues
2. strike down some portions of Article 35A - basically the jobs and education funding. Both are discriminitative.
3. abrogate Article 35A completely with appropriate riders for agricultural, tribal and protected areas. For example - right to own apartments in urban Srinagar.

It will be interesting to see how SC can rule that Article 35A is legal. Since if they do that, all floodgates from every state can open up on job and education protection.

*This is not comparable to HP or Andaman or Nagaland. Such comparisons by Cashmeres is wrong. In HP one can buy in urban areas. There is no restriction in obtaining jobs in local government. And horticultural universities from HP does fund outside researchers. One can apply for government jobs in Andaman and Nagaland.
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35A is an historical artifact as it was intended to stop Englishmen from acquiring property in the state. It has no relevance today and must be abrogated.
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Give peace a chance: Imran Khan to PM Modi

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ind ... 142644.cms
:rotfl:

UB ji, now you got to explain how come Imran Khan thinking he is not bowling to Gavaskar.
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Katare, nothing more to discuss at this point. I think anyone who was interested in knowing what this MOD was doing for the past few years will now have a clearer idea beyond the "budget as % of GDP" sort of stuff.

If you continue to be concerned about how "this" MOD has been run for the past 5 years, I am sure you would be appalled at years past, where these gaps developed & no corrective action was taken. Having said that, there's always room for improvement and I hope the NDA returns and Mrs Sitharaman has time to set and implement a MII policy.

BTW, I went checking for BDL numbers to see the orders placed on them, which will indicate war stocks replenishment. We already have BEL orderbook where NDA orders dwarf previous admins. Here are BDL numbers. I think they too speak for themselves.

While not the more exact order book (yearly incremental addition), the sales/yr do act as a proxy for the available orderbook and deliveries to GOI.
I think at this point, we can all determine the focus this Govt had on fixing things/MII.

Bharat Dynamics Ltd.
Sales (Gross) in Rs Crores

2018-19 4600.00 (Target)
2017-18 4587.60
2016-17 4886.62
2015-16 4159.97
2014-15 2799.68

2013-14 1779.89
2012-13 1074.71
2011-12 959.12
2010-11 939.16
2009-10 627.23
2008-09 464.82
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Karan M wrote:Katare, nothing more to discuss at this point. I think anyone who was interested in knowing what this MOD was doing for the past few years will now have a clearer idea beyond the "budget as % of GDP" sort of stuff.

If you continue to be concerned about how "this" MOD has been run for the past 5 years, I am sure you would be appalled at years past, where these gaps developed & no corrective action was taken. Having said that, there's always room for improvement and I hope the NDA returns and Mrs Sitharaman has time to set and implement a MII policy.

BTW, I went checking for BDL numbers to see the orders placed on them, which will indicate war stocks replenishment. We already have BEL orderbook where NDA orders dwarf previous admins. Here are BDL numbers. I think they too speak for themselves.

While not the more exact order book (yearly incremental addition), the sales/yr do act as a proxy for the available orderbook and deliveries to GOI.
I think at this point, we can all determine the focus this Govt had on fixing things/MII.

Bharat Dynamics Ltd.
Sales (Gross) in Rs Crores

2018-19 4600.00 (Target)
2017-18 4587.60
2016-17 4886.62
2015-16 4159.97
2014-15 2799.68

2013-14 1779.89
2012-13 1074.71
2011-12 959.12
2010-11 939.16
2009-10 627.23
2008-09 464.82
I have a good idea of what has been done and what is in the pipeline, appreciate your efforts here in compiling an exhaustive list. Agree with all of it.
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i was in Vizag to meet my schoolmate a few years ago. Her bro was a senior Admiral and we had breakfast together. After retirement he is taking care of a very very sensitive IN /DRDO program. He used the most foul language for St Antony. Inspite of the all funds, he didnt let anything happen. He said that Antony ji didnt have any time to meet Service officers and was busy in other activities. The damage to Indias security during UPA regime has been incalculable inspite of the budget etc.
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https://m.timesofindia.com/india/kashmi ... 143847.cms

Kashmiri youths: ‘We were in touch with Pulwama attack mastermind..
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https://asia.nikkei.com/Politics/Intern ... ebt-rescue

China's disappointing aid offer dashes Pakistan's hope of debt rescue

Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates each have committed to extending credit lines of $6 billion to Pakistan. So far, Riyadh has provided $3 billion and Abu Dhabi $1 billion. Still, Pakistan's central bank said its foreign exchange reserves stood at $8.12 billion, not enough to cover imports for two months.
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Beijing is anxious about Islamabad's financial troubles," said Kugelman. "But if Pakistan suffers the shock of a default, China would be spooked in a big way."
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While negotiations are rumbling on, Pakistan has been dealt another blow by Standard & Poor's rating agency on Feb. 4. S&P downgraded Pakistan's long-term credit rating to "B-" from "B" due to "subdued expectations for economic growth" and heightened external and fiscal risks. S&P also noted that financial stimuli from CPEC investment is fading, adding pressure on the economy and making fiscal consolidation more difficult.
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It's in our best interest to collapse Pakistan and make the PRCs $62Bn investment turn to crap.
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No wonder the Pak establishment are sh$ttng bricks. They thought they would get a huge bailout, and by embarassing the Indian Govt take revenge for Uri, and influence Indizn elections. Geniuses. Now sending delegations to India and begging the world to intercede.
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Katare wrote:What makes you think I didn’t?
"hope and pray" is :mrgreen: :rotfl: dead give away. :twisted:
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If GoI doesn't have balls to abrogated 35A for the fear of Luytens or Judiciary or external forces, then what chance does Art-370 has of dying its own natural death. Pulwama was a good enough milestone to set the expectations with KM's and their handlers. Every time a major terror event happens in J&K, we take away part of what was given to J&K by erstwhile rulers starting with 35A or even scrapping the "special" flag foisted upon J&K by Kashmiri Sunni Muslims.
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Back channel are trying to set up direct talks. Obviously credible steps must be taken to get to that point
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The British labour party sticking it's nose in, for the paki vote bank

https://m.hindustantimes.com/india-news ... PzWKBlHmQU
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Haresh wrote:The British labour party sticking it's nose in, for the paki vote bank

https://m.hindustantimes.com/india-news ... PzWKBlHmQU

Let them manage brexit before trying to manage Indian actions.
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Karan M wrote:https://asia.nikkei.com/Politics/Intern ... ebt-rescue

China's disappointing aid offer dashes Pakistan's hope of debt rescue

Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates each have committed to extending credit lines of $6 billion to Pakistan. So far, Riyadh has provided $3 billion and Abu Dhabi $1 billion. Still, Pakistan's central bank said its foreign exchange reserves stood at $8.12 billion, not enough to cover imports for two months.
.............

Beijing is anxious about Islamabad's financial troubles," said Kugelman. "But if Pakistan suffers the shock of a default, China would be spooked in a big way."
.................

While negotiations are rumbling on, Pakistan has been dealt another blow by Standard & Poor's rating agency on Feb. 4. S&P downgraded Pakistan's long-term credit rating to "B-" from "B" due to "subdued expectations for economic growth" and heightened external and fiscal risks. S&P also noted that financial stimuli from CPEC investment is fading, adding pressure on the economy and making fiscal consolidation more difficult.
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It's in our best interest to collapse Pakistan and make the PRCs $62Bn investment turn to crap.
Financially, whether force majeure clause like War allow default of payment or write off loans?
cant see any reason why pak does things to us when there coffers are bone dry and about to default.
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7 SM media platform summoned. We are going big this time
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What does 7 SM Media platform mean?
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Social Media : Facebook watsapp twitter etyaadi
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Who is summoning them and why is it relevant to this thread?

https://www.theweek.in/news/biz-tech/20 ... ffici.html
A parliamentary panel Monday asked micro-blogging site Twitter to address issues in real-time and engage more with the Election Commission of India (ECI) ahead of general elections and also summoned senior officials of other social media platforms Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram on March 6.
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Iyersan wrote:7 SM media platform summoned. We are going big this time
I did not understand..
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schinnas wrote:Letting the court decide is a great move. Govt can pass ordinance or amend constitution always. But if court does it, it's easier. Otherwise courts get exposed for their view points driving much needed discussion on our courts.
What makes you to think that courts will decide ? as usual it might just postpone. This is what courts being doing for all sensitive cases siting some stupid reasons. Remember courts never get exposed, they can do "contempt of count" act and get away from it.
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Its all conjecture and hope nothing else, we all hope for Paki casualties for them to temporarily pause but GOI does not seem to be interested. The interesting thing is Pakistan hits us wherever and whenever it can, it does not think about consequences, it is wrong to think they did not expect 40 casualties, they probably wanted 100 casualties when they sent 300 kg of RDX.

They are not rational thinkers, their thought process is more like Hitler and the Nazis, they only understand the logic of casualties, they dont understand restraint- restraint = cowardliness in their minds. And they seriously believe all Indians= Hindus= cowardliness.
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Did NaMo say something significant in his speech at the National War Memorial? Could only watch the ending bit, nothing significant there..
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I would suggest we start ignoring speeches and toning down our expecatations, if something happens we will see it on the news.
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Arima wrote:
Karan M wrote:https://asia.nikkei.com/Politics/Intern ... ebt-rescue

China's disappointing aid offer dashes Pakistan's hope of debt rescue

Financially, whether force majeure clause like War allow default of payment or write off loans?
cant see any reason why pak does things to us when there coffers are bone dry and about to default.
They can cite any clause but a default will wreck them, one way or the other.
BRF has long analyzed the Pak behavior or propensity to attack India. Anytime, they are going through a tough patch (economically, morale wise) and see even the slightest improvement and need to feel superior, or think they need to divert the local public or their forces morale, they do terror attacks in India. India's localized response at LOC is not revealed publicly and hence they continue high-profile terror attacks to keep the perception that they have the edge over us.
In this case, the Indian elections, Indian publics awareness of how Pak has been hammered, their local forces low morale because IA has been hammering them hard, their perception that they'd get a big bailout from KSA and PRC and could hence again lord it around for some time, all played a role in their stupidity no doubt, as could be the fact that they were trying for a long time, and it was pure luck they got one attack through.
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sudhan wrote:Did NaMo say something significant in his speech at the National War Memorial? Could only watch the ending bit, nothing significant there..
it was just congress bashing.
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The only significant thing was he never said anything about retribution
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Generic but the message is still the same

https://twitter.com/PMOIndia/status/1099940577804660738
PMO India Verified account @PMOIndia

Those who support terrorism will be punished. #MannKiBaat
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GOI will have to raise a irregular force like the Ikwanis to target families and property of terrorists and sundry Hurrirat and Jamat leaders.. random assisnations, cars exploding will have to be resorted v soon and it also maintains plausible deniabllity. It will be seen as a internecine war for turf...
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manjgu wrote:GOI will have to raise a irregular force like the Ikwanis to target families and property of terrorists and sundry Hurrirat and Jamat leaders.. random assisnations, cars exploding will have to be resorted v soon and it also maintains plausible deniabllity. It will be seen as a internecine war for turf...
Yes the Putin Kadyrov strategy is something worth considering.
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Primus wrote:
sudeepj wrote:
Second low intensity blast after the one in Kalindi express. This reinforces the theory that the Pulwama attack was not a spectacular 'one off'. It was simply the first move in a planned strategy to restart widespread jihad in India and to possibly influence general elections 2019. How Indian security managers raise the price for Pakistan will determine if the strategy is nipped in the bud or the blood of innocent Indian citizens continues to be shed without any recourse.

The only thing common Indians can do is to be united and walk the path of Dharma. Every generation has a time when its tested like no other. Most Indians today who were born and came to age after the economic reforms have only seen improvements in their lives. As a child, I read the daily journal of my father who himself was a student when the 65 war was fought. He recorded that almost every student in his college responded to Prime Minister Lal Bahadur Shastri's call to give up eating one day a weak, so India would not be blackmailed by Western food aid. Such a time is perhaps upon us again. Be brave, and keep the faith in mother India.
I remember those days very well, was in school. LBS also called upon each of us to save 3p a day IIRC. In our house too we gave up one meal per week (it was not one whole day a week but one meal a week that he asked us to give up). My cousins in Delhi used to go to the local train stations with food and chai for the soldiers headed north in the trains. The entire nation was united in its war effort and fully supported our army and the PM. Of course there was no SM then. Today, I sense the same feeling across the country but sadly the Congoons are trying desperately to break this solidarity. Anything to keep Modi out of power even if they have to sell the nation for it.
I remember in 1971 war. My mother (along with several other women in neighborhood) knitted at least 100+ sweaters for soldiers, Me and my cousin would go three times daily with lassi, parathe, sabzi, dal, achaar, etc to the artillery soldiers who were in our sugar cane fields with their camouflaged guns. They let us play with their guns and we were happy. I saw people giving food, warm clothes, etc who were on highway towards border. There use to be a 24X7 langar at various places all over Punjab/Haryana along with packets of dry rations (badaam, chana, gur, etc). Have faith in people!!! Average Indian will always support Armed forces!
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Iyersan wrote:The only significant thing was he never said anything about retribution
I do not think PM will talk about retribution all the time. Bakis have taken upon the job on doing themselves and hence if they want a long rope, why not give one.

The latest it seems is that a Baki has threatened nuke attack on India for not exporting tomatoes to Bakistan - and that too on national TV! Check for the hashtag #taubatauba.

Imagine discussions of nuke attack because Indian farmers decided not to export tomatoes to Bakistan on national TV!!! This is a major strategic snafu made by Bakis. Any think tank or tankini in DC or Beijing or Bonn or Geneva cannot talk about "Cashmere is a nuclear flashpoint" with a straight face!

Imagine a Cheeni official approaching an Indian diplomat:

C -> "Cashmere is a nukular flashpoin"
ID -> "Well, today even tomotoes have become a nuclear flashpoint. Tomorrow it will be potatoes?"
BRF -> :rotfl:
madhu wrote:it was just congress bashing.
National War memorial is really a beautiful thing. I was initially skeptical, particularly when PM promised it by Feb 2019. Leave alone the date, I was skeptical about how it will look or rather project itself. And assumed that at best it will be a bunch of slabs in an english lawn with names in it.

What we got in National War memorial is something spectacular. It faces India Gate and shows the journey of sacrifice from WW1/WWII to 1971 (Amar Jawan Jyoti) to supreme sacrifice of all Maa Bharati's soldiers.

The scale is impressive and it took us 48 years to get there. In between we got three memorials dedicated to Nehru family including one for Sanjay.

We need to add names of the jawaans who sacrificed their lives fighting internal insurgencies (incl. Pulwama) and other leftist movements.
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Karan M wrote:
They can cite any clause but a default will wreck them, one way or the other.
BRF has long analyzed the Pak behavior or propensity to attack India. Anytime, they are going through a tough patch (economically, morale wise) and see even the slightest improvement and need to feel superior, or think they need to divert the local public or their forces morale, they do terror attacks in India. India's localized response at LOC is not revealed publicly and hence they continue high-profile terror attacks to keep the perception that they have the edge over us.
In this case, the Indian elections, Indian publics awareness of how Pak has been hammered, their local forces low morale because IA has been hammering them hard, their perception that they'd get a big bailout from KSA and PRC and could hence again lord it around for some time, all played a role in their stupidity no doubt, as could be the fact that they were trying for a long time, and it was pure luck they got one attack through.
What you've written is true; and it got me thinking about a scene from the Harrison Ford movie "Clear and Present Danger", when the Khans fake a truck bombing using a "Cellulose Encased Laser-Guided Bomb". Harrison Ford's character finds it in the Jane's Defense annual. Appropriately shaped and coated with RAM, a glide bomb of this basic description could fall accurately 100km+ from the LOC, leaving no bomb fragments while providing the "Plausible Deniability" necessary to sow all kinds of confusion and disinfo.
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When will India hit Pakistan? Here is what we know

The Armed forces have been given a free hand and it would respond to Pakistan at time and place of its closing. The respond would need to strong, yet measured and the solution would need to be a long lasting one. A top official in New Delhi tells OneIndia that there would action, without a doubt. The timing and the surprise element is key in such an operation, he also added. The official said that the action would also need to be quick. One could expect action sometime in March, the officer also added
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salaam wrote: Bharat Mata ki Jai
Bolo Bharat Mata ki Jai

Guard ka hun bol pyare
Sarvada Shaktishali
Jo bole So Nihal, sat sri akal
Bol Jawala Ma ki Jai
Veera Madrasi, adi kollu, adi kollu
Jai Ma Kali, ayo Gorkhali
Bol Shri Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj ki Jai
Temlai Mata ki Jai
Raja Ramachandra ki Jai
Bol Bajrang Bali ki Jai
Jat Balwan, Jai Bhagwan
Badri Vishal Lal ki Jai
Kalika Mata ki Jai
Bajrang Bali ki Jai
Dada Kishan ki Jai
Jai Bajrang Bali
Durga Mata ki Jai
Ki ki so so Lhargyalo
Thanks Salaam'ji and SBajwa'ji.

Highlighted the ones where mother or female goddess is invoked to give courage and join the battle. Mods request. Not sure the right thread for the above.
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