Indian Forces Strikes Pakistan Terrorist Camps

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Postby Aditya_V » 27 Feb 2019 17:06

When MEA and IAF say 1 lost aircraft we have members here claiming 2 down?

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Postby Lalmohan » 27 Feb 2019 17:07

safe to say that ANY Pakistani source especially on social media can be ignored
don't get taken in

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Postby Nsmith » 27 Feb 2019 17:11

WKKs are concerned about further escalation and hoping that Indian armes forces stand down. People in office on whatsapp groups/ reddit etc. falling for im-the-dim's peace offer... The optics if we stop now are not in our favour and bakis will save face and live to fight another day.

Question to gurus is if/ when we escalate after the action earlier today - how can we ensure no further escalation from the bakis? Or is it better to swallow the bitter pill and stand down, for now, and wait for the next terror attack (which am sure is incoming) before giving another jhappad. Unless we do a limited war and grab territory... But that's close to tactial bum redline (or maybe not?)... GOI will be busy doing a very careful cost benefit analysis as we speak before we make the next move IMO.

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Postby chola » 27 Feb 2019 17:11

gauravsh wrote:
chola wrote:Pakis are claiming a MiG-21 and a MKI on twitter:

https://twitter.com/amarbail1/status/1100684592946823168


That looks like a f-16 on the patch. Bakis claimed non involvement of f-16.


Yah. That’s because we shot down a F-Solah and they want to hide.

But naming their pilots and what they shot down is a bold move. I hope it is a lie that we can point out definitively later.

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Postby Singha » 27 Feb 2019 17:12

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Former Air Chief Krishnaswamy says Pakistan attack on an Indian military asset is an act of escalation. Indian Air Force only attacked a non-military installation. Indian government and military have already factored in how they intend to respond to this provocation from Pakistan

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Postby Shaktimaan » 27 Feb 2019 17:13

Just out of curiosity, is Cold Start still our doctrine? It envisioned complete mobilization in 48 hours or less.

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Postby Sachin » 27 Feb 2019 17:14

Live: Imran Khan to India: ‘Let’s sit together and settle this with talks’
The Chinese Hindu have already started batting for Pakistan. And I already see some vernacular news papers planning their political games after the incident.

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Postby Lalmohan » 27 Feb 2019 17:14

^^^ or they are accepting that their non-state-non-military actors are in fact fully-state-fully-military personnel

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Postby chola » 27 Feb 2019 17:14

Aditya_V wrote:When MEA and IAF say 1 lost aircraft we have members here claiming 2 down?


No members claim it. I posted that Paki claim because they named their pilots otherwise I would not have posted.

We are not a PakDeaf type of forum either with our heads in the sand.

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Re: Indian Forces Strikes Pakistan Terrorist Camps

Postby Bart S » 27 Feb 2019 17:14

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They have lost a F-16 to one of our Mig-21 UPGs. And that is the best they have. Make no mistake, they have no interest in sustained air actions because that will lead to the decimation of the PAF. Sneak & shoot they had to do to hold onto whatever prestige they have left.


Which is why they made it a point to clarify that they had nothing to do with the Mi-17 crash in Budgam & also made a statement of not wanting escalation.

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Postby ricky_v » 27 Feb 2019 17:15

no guru, the goi will do as it wants, nobody on the outside can know what is being gamed. Other than that, wa forwards are inflammatory on both sides and i know some that are currently being forwarded on the angry side as well. Pure speculation all around without any iota of semblance to sanity or reason.

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Postby Singha » 27 Feb 2019 17:15

> how can we ensure no further escalation from the bakis?

how can we ensure someone wont steal our cycle tonight? we cant. could american fight the relative mosquito the taliban and iraqi insurgents without setbacks?

this is no better than the cricket mentality of demanding sixers in every over and losing hope and fading away from the fight if SRT gets out :)
gives a whole new life to the "a few hard blows and the yindu will run" myth.

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Postby Shanmukh » 27 Feb 2019 17:15

I am not going to second guess the IAF about the disposition of the planes and how they have to fight. They know far more than we civilians do about fighting wars. And anyway, in war, you cannot plan for every single eventuality. Let use see the results thus far and tabulate them.
1) IAF attacks Jihadi base in Balakot [and probabaly others in PoJK too].
Result: 200-700 Jihadis sent to Jannat.
My verdict: This is an Indian victory.

2) PAF attacks Indian Brigade HQ
No losses to Indian troops on the ground.
IAF interdicts the Pakistani planes. The Pakistanis got lucky; they got a MiG 21 Bison and lost a F16.
My verdict: An F16 loss is a huge blow. So, it is still an Indian victory

Now, we cannot of course let them get away with attacking an Indian military target. We need to give them another jhappad. Have we identified the squadron the F16s that attacked us came from? From what I can see, a good military target to face our wrath would be the F16 squadron that attacked us. From what I can see of the Pakistani bases, this is likely to have come from the Northern Air Command of the Pakistanis, and the most likely base is the PAF Base Mushaf at Sargodha, which is shown to house both 9 MR and CCS F16 squadrons. [Sadly, I don't know if they came from PAF Base Murid at Chakwal - the aircraft stationed there are not listed]. How easy [or otherwise] is it to administer another jhappad against this base?

Let us see if we can war game this one here on paper.

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Re: Indian Forces Strikes Pakistan Terrorist Camps

Postby Karthik S » 27 Feb 2019 17:15

chola wrote:
Aditya_V wrote:When MEA and IAF say 1 lost aircraft we have members here claiming 2 down?


No members claim it. I posted that Paki claim because they named their pilots otherwise I would not have posted.

We are not a PakDeaf type of forum either with our heads in the sand.



Wouldn't it be better if we stop posting paki claims? What were you trying to achieve or convey by saying some paki was claiming something?

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Postby Vivek K » 27 Feb 2019 17:17

So PAF couldn’t touch IAF Mirages deep inside their territory. And Mig21 on CAP was not scared to take the fight to the enemy. Claims of MKI are BS - each has 2 pilots. So MKI plus 21 would mean 3 pilots down. MEA has said one mig and one pilot - that is probably true.

IAF seems prepared to take the fight to the enemy!
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Postby sajaym » 27 Feb 2019 17:18

I think people are missing the main point here and that is that the SS1 & SS2 have sent out a message to PAK. The message is that now the reaction to terror strikes in India will be in the form of a new cycle.

The old cycle was:
1. Pak sponsored terror attack in India. (Painful to India)
2. Rona Dhona in India. Token/Symbolic military preparation by India.(Painful to India)
3. International community intervenes, Samjautha Express, Chai Biskoot. Tension 'Phus'.(Still painful to India)

The new cycle is:
1. Pak sponsored terror attack in India.(Painful to India)
2. Rona Dhona in India.(Painful to India)
3. Surgical strike by India in Pakiland.(Pain in Musharaf)
4. Rona Dhona in Pakiland.(Pain in Musharaf)
5. Pak retaliatory strike. (Painful to India but also pain in Musharaf since their military have to bear some cost to strike whereas earlier they sat idle)
6. International community intervenes, Samjautha Express, Chai Biskoot. Tension 'Phus'.(Small pain to India, Big pain in Musharaf because terrorists dead, terror infrastructure destroyed, even more beggars than before - money gone down the drain for no gain)

So as long as we keep repeating the new cycle, it is fine. Why? Because earlier we used to only threaten of going to war, but now we are actually going to the brink of war and coming back. And the longer we do it and make them also do it, they're the ones who are getting hurt because they are basically beggars who can't afford to keep doing this. WE HAVE IMPOSED A HIGHER COST ON THEM, that is the key takeaway here.

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Re: Indian Forces Strikes Pakistan Terrorist Camps

Postby chola » 27 Feb 2019 17:18

Karthik S wrote:
chola wrote:
No members claim it. I posted that Paki claim because they named their pilots otherwise I would not have posted.

We are not a PakDeaf type of forum either with our heads in the sand.



Wouldn't it be better if we stop posting paki claims? What were you trying to achieve or convey by saying some paki was claiming something?


Noted. Will not posted another. As said, only posted this because they named the PAF pilots.

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Postby chandrasekaran » 27 Feb 2019 17:18

Yes, as much as it was an act of the highest form of bravery, the timing of his capture does make the situation a lot more advantageous to the Paki's. As expected our leftist break India cabal is on full steam now blaming our own leaders and asking for "peace". What makes this so disturbing is that these anti nationals now conveniently hide under the garb of "Bring the wing commander alive and that must be our #1 priority".

Feeling quite disturbed and angry :(

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Postby Aditya_V » 27 Feb 2019 17:20

If I recall correct there are Paki Armoured Brigades close to the Border in places like Sialkot, Forst Abbas etc, Attack them with stand off weapons, no need to release to Media. PAF with either have to intervene or will be back to yesterday, they had to try today's attack otherwise PA and uniformed Jihadis are angry they do not interfere on their behalf. The shoting down of a Mig 21 and capture of the pilot was a PR victory for them.

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Postby ricky_v » 27 Feb 2019 17:20

Why should the entire thing be cyclic? is there a law for it or something? also why to assume that there will be an entity to pedal this cycle after all this is through?

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Postby Karthik S » 27 Feb 2019 17:21

Guys, even if we respond to today's paki action, don't think that will give pakis the license to harm Wing Co. And knowing NM, don't think their mis-adventure will go unanswered.

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Postby Lalmohan » 27 Feb 2019 17:23

the other factor is that if the pakmil do not retaliate, then the JeM/LeT will join the Punjabi-Taliban and attack the pakmil
the tiger is no longer willing to be ridden
basically the pakmil have nowhere left to hide now

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Postby arshyam » 27 Feb 2019 17:25

chandrasekaran wrote:Yes, as much as it was an act of the highest form of bravery, the timing of his capture does make the situation a lot more advantageous to the Paki's. As expected our leftist break India cabal is on full steam now blaming our own leaders and asking for "peace". What makes this so disturbing is that these anti nationals now conveniently hide under the garb of "Bring the wing commander alive and that must be our #1 priority".

Feeling quite disturbed and angry :(

Singha saar nailed it. Where were these people when 44 'ordinary' jawans were killed? Now one pilot lost, and these people crawl out asking for this and that, thinking only about "people like us".

This is war, and our troops are trained for this, good or bad. We should let them do their job. Unfortunately, there will be some pain in the meantime, but that is the nature of the beast.

(this post is not aimed at you, chandrasekaran saar, just referring to the people you are referring to. Clarifying up front since most of us are angry and emotional at this point.)

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Postby gauravsh » 27 Feb 2019 17:25

In agreement with the mods :
1. We should cool down our heads for now.
2. Have faith in our government. Nobody knows anything about our future plan of action, so have faith in dharma will prevail.
3. Ignore paki propaganda.
4. Except for the shooting down of Mig 21 and more unfortunately our brave officer landing in enemy land, this is what we had wanted.
5. Pride of pigs the mighty f-solah being dusted by our mig is a huge statement.
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Postby Paul » 27 Feb 2019 17:26

The next logical step in the escalation path would be to target the PAF base from where the F16s were launched.

I am guessing Sargodha.....but then what do we know.

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Postby nits » 27 Feb 2019 17:26

What we need is our version of truth to be heard on social media. Most of the guys on forum will understand to filter out the truth before accepting it. But many news sites, foreign media, journos who are in hurry or even common junta will pick stories from there and this can play dangerously...

Our forces don't need anyone's validation but perception and positive / negative scenario does matter in common man and that needs to be effectively countered by GOI; we all heard we now have a cyber branch of forces - its time they are used and truth be told. Note i am not advocating release of video / pics etc but telling truth from a credible india source and falsify the claims made by pak
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Postby Panther » 27 Feb 2019 17:27

Pakistan is in a precarious situation with hardly more than months import Forex in kitty. Common sense dictate to prolong the crisis. Their airspace already closed.Stock exchange going down. GOI should keep things on fire. Don't relent the pressure.

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Postby Paul » 27 Feb 2019 17:28

Difference between now and Balakot strike is Airspace has been cleared from both sides of civilian traffic.

So expect SAM defenses to come to play on both sides from now on

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Postby Aditya_V » 27 Feb 2019 17:29

Yes, so its stupid to go to Sargoda, better to strike PA, force the PAF to come again and be ready with SAM's BVR.

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Postby sudhan » 27 Feb 2019 17:29

North western Indian airspace is still has some civvie flights

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Postby Bart S » 27 Feb 2019 17:29

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The Indian statement today makes one thing clear - today's action by the Pakistani air force is being treated as a military act of aggression.

Retaliation is certain.
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This is what a serving officer told me today. Words that ring true -

'Don't be disheartened (pilot capture). These are things that happen and the risks are factored in. This is what we are trained for'
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Postby Karthik S » 27 Feb 2019 17:32

sudhan wrote:North western Indian airspace is still has some civvie flights


Where saar, I am not seeing any flights on either side of the IB.

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Postby habal » 27 Feb 2019 17:33

Dubai airport closes all flights to and from pakistan.

fwiw

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Postby sudhan » 27 Feb 2019 17:33

Karthik S wrote:
sudhan wrote:North western Indian airspace is still has some civvie flights


Where saar, I am not seeing any flights on either side of the IB.


Some minutes back, saw flights over Amritsar, Chandigarh and Srinagar.. all civvie. Looks like they've headed over to their destinations. Its now clear. Very clear
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Postby Sachin » 27 Feb 2019 17:34

arshyam wrote:Where were these people when 44 'ordinary' jawans were killed? Now one pilot lost, and these people crawl out asking for this and that, thinking only about "people like us".

It is not about an IAF pilot v/s an CPO jawan. There are lots of people in India who *did NOT* like the surgical strike done yesterday. These folks are any way not bothered about any man in uniform dying. I was scanning some vernacular news channels who generally are known for their anti-Modi (and anti-India if Modi is ruling) stance. They did report the surgical strike, but the sadness among them was known. The reporting language showed that. Now the capture of the IAF officer is giving a chance for them to recuperate.

The MSM would now say the surgical strike was a mistake, and Modi tried to do this for political mileage. This report would then have 100s of comments from selected people who would echo the same. To be brutally frank, there are lots of Indians who are quite okay to remain Dhimmies if their day to day life is not hampered. Anti-Modi is now becoming steadily anti-India, and for all you know some of our media (and "seculars") may even start supporting Imran Khan and invite him to rule the country.

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Postby Patni » 27 Feb 2019 17:35

The true mettle of Indian Forces is, To show that one has endurance and strength of character, the necessary skills, abilities, & traits to succeed in what they train for. We the people have to support in every which way we can.

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Re: Indian Forces Strikes Pakistan Terrorist Camps

Postby Singha » 27 Feb 2019 17:35

yes those airports are technically open now, though todays flights may get cancelled.

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Postby pankajs » 27 Feb 2019 17:36

My be clear the currently stranded flight and then close.

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Postby UlanBatori » 27 Feb 2019 17:37

Just sayin': There are a lot of Spicy GPS coordinates well within 60km of Yellow Sea. No crossing needed. Now military targets are tall fair and tight-assed "game", hain?

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Re: Indian Forces Strikes Pakistan Terrorist Camps

Postby Manish Jain » 27 Feb 2019 17:40

All these posts but I saw only one post asking am important question? Why PAF attacked in day?
No/limited night-time capability?

As for rest, we don't know the calculations of IAF/GOI so we will support them, whatever they decide to do.


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