Indian Forces Strikes Pakistan Terrorist Camps

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Re: Indian Forces Strikes Pakistan Terrorist Camps

Postby Karan M » 27 Feb 2019 18:22

JayS wrote:
ArjunPandit wrote:mods, is there any guidance for this thread regardin posting paki information? There are posts and personally I feel we should. I would rather see the info here and rebutted by BRFiters rather than see them in media blow up and then die down. But would go by the guidelines


If its official statements or some key verified info its OK I feel. But lets not start dumping paki propaganda here.


+100.

Please use your judgment guys. This thread moves so fast that by the tme we revisit, 2-3 pages get added.

General rules.

No posting details of military movement or he said/she said about Indian military stuff.
No posting unverified rumours from the Paki side which try to paint them as victors (this is INFORMATION WARFARE 101, which they are trying hard)
Counter any propaganda posted with facts
Don't lose your temper at fellow posters
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Postby AshishAcharya » 27 Feb 2019 18:23

The next big Question is- will India retaliate or go back to back channel deals.
I hope they do. We won't get a bigger opportunity than this to deliver sucker punch to Pakistan.

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Re: Indian Forces Strikes Pakistan Terrorist Camps

Postby Schmidt » 27 Feb 2019 18:23

The Pakis have clearly escalated by targeting our military installations

Now all their military assets are legitimate targets

As the saying goes , big boys play at night

Expect fireworks tonite

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Re: Indian Forces Strikes Pakistan Terrorist Camps

Postby Sachin » 27 Feb 2019 18:24

Karan M wrote:These jokers are still thinking of politics at this time and their hope is this GOI doesnt get any benefit. My blood's boiling at their too clever by half statement.

Right after the surgical strikes yesterday all the parties were duly informed. Even Ra.Ga was going to town congratulating the IAF. The right set of people from GoI side did the briefings. Such kind of statements generally come from one group; no it is not INC. It is from CPI(M), CPI, Forward Bloc kind of useless parties who generally have no say in India's politics. Come on, who would call CPI for a defence related briefing from GoI after a surgical strike? The lone Lok Sabha MP of CPI can get all the news when get goes to eat porotta & beef at Kerala Bhawan in New Delhi :roll:.

But all said and done, we need to see how GoI and the main opposition parties (which still happens to be INC) will handle this sad incident of today. I still retain a feeling that INC would support GoI (mainly because their vote bank also is from regions which sees lots of men join the forces).

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Postby tsarkar » 27 Feb 2019 18:25

krishna_krishna wrote:Guys posting harami link, it has picture of local's dragging downed IAF plane:
https://www.dawn.com/news/1466357/in-pi ... ld-captive

That is NOT a Su-30 wreckage! On what basis are you stating its Su-30? Its a MiG-21 wreckage. I will not post the identifiers for the time being.

Also note that the pilot's Glock pistol is fully loaded. He could have shot and killed the ******** kicking his head but he showed restraint.

Sadly the barbarism in Dar-ul-Islam is beyond humanity. While they're making the video, he is saying he's injured and asking for water that no one is giving. And his hands tied to his legs in a medieval manner. Atleast provide proper handcuffs.
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Postby Sanju » 27 Feb 2019 18:25

Rakesh wrote:By attacking a military installation, Pakistan has upped the ante.

With regards to the two - only one can be confirmed for now - Indian pilots who are in custody in Pakistan. If Wing Commander Abhinandan is in PAF custody, it is a good thing. As Saurav Jha says, he will be returned in one piece to India. My concern is for the second pilot who may be with the Pakistan Army. There is no video of him, unlike Wing Commander Abhinandan. We need to ascertain his status at the earliest. That is easier said than done though. Pray for both pilots and their families today. Ranting and raving on BRF does not help.

In a war situation nothing goes perfectly. You will lose men, they will lose men. So while it appears they have the upper hand today, rest assured the Indian Air Force will retaliate. But folks be mature enough to accept even further losses and captured pilots. This is what happens when you strike the enemy. It is not perfect. These scenarios are factored into the IAF's planning.

Do not measure win or loss by the number of our planes that were shot or not shot down. War does not work that way.

And please do not question why a MiG-21 was in Srinagar. None of us know squat what that jet was doing there. Please do not say stuff like, "Why was a 35+ year old plane doing in Srinagar?" You are actually helping the enemy's cause by saying things like this. I realize you want revenge, but chill. We all do and the IAF will reply.


Rakesh saar, where did you get the info that there are two pilots?

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Re: Indian Forces Strikes Pakistan Terrorist Camps

Postby Karan M » 27 Feb 2019 18:26

Nihat wrote:A war of steady attrition is likely to play into india hands big time. I hope the government continues treading on that path


Yes. I too wish for the same. Letting Pakistan control the narrative right now, is unacceptable (IMHO).

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Re: Indian Forces Strikes Pakistan Terrorist Camps

Postby Karan M » 27 Feb 2019 18:27

Sachin wrote:
Karan M wrote:These jokers are still thinking of politics at this time and their hope is this GOI doesnt get any benefit. My blood's boiling at their too clever by half statement.

Right after the surgical strikes yesterday all the parties were duly informed. Even Ra.Ga was going to town congratulating the IAF. The right set of people from GoI side did the briefings. Such kind of statements generally come from one group; no it is not INC. It is from CPI(M), CPI, Forward Bloc kind of useless parties who generally have no say in India's politics. Come on, who would call CPI for a defence related briefing from GoI after a surgical strike? The lone Lok Sabha MP of CPI can get all the news when get goes to eat porotta & beef at Kerala Bhawan in New Delhi :roll:.

But all said and done, we need to see how GoI and the main opposition parties (which still happens to be INC) will handle this sad incident of today. I still retain a feeling that INC would support GoI (mainly because their vote bank also is from regions which sees lots of men join the forces).


Thanks for the explanation Sachin Saar, what a bunch of parasites these people are. Even at this time, they were trying to act important and run down the GOI.

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Re: Indian Forces Strikes Pakistan Terrorist Camps

Postby ks_sachin » 27 Feb 2019 18:28

Karan M wrote:
JayS wrote:
If its official statements or some key verified info its OK I feel. But lets not start dumping paki propaganda here.


+100.

Please use your judgment guys. This thread moves so fast that by the tme we revisit, 2-3 pages get added.

General rules.

No posting details of military movement or he said/she said about Indian military stuff.
No posting unverified rumours from the Paki side which try to paint them as victors (this is INFORMATION WARFARE 101, which they are trying hard)
Counter any propaganda posted with facts
Don't lose your temper at fellow posters
Report posts to admins if somethings wrong

Report posts —- you are inviting trouble Karan.

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Postby AshishAcharya » 27 Feb 2019 18:29

Yes. This is a clear case of paki aggression. Retaliation is a must or else Pakistan walks away with a propaganda victory.

I have faith that armed forces will make them pay.

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Re: Indian Forces Strikes Pakistan Terrorist Camps

Postby Singha » 27 Feb 2019 18:30

as of now zero civilian a.c flying over TSP, of any stripe. even the sea route is skirting a long way off the coast.

airspace N and W of Nai dilli is also clear.

our international flights are on track via the ahmedabad corridor. we can resume domestic flights if we wish to.

it would be a good idea to play probing games and force TSP to keep its airspace closed for 3 months...just saying

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Postby Rakesh » 27 Feb 2019 18:30

Sanju wrote:Rakesh saar, where did you get the info that there are two pilots?

I was just responding to folks in here who were stating that two pilots may have been captured. That is all. I even said that only pilot can be confirmed.

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Postby SourabhK » 27 Feb 2019 18:30

LT Gen Vinod Bhatia (Retired) on India Today saying 6 F16 tried to cross over India side.

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Postby tsarkar » 27 Feb 2019 18:31

Karan M wrote:Letting Pakistan control the narrative right now, is unacceptable (IMHO).

Somehow GoI, MoD & Indian Armed Forces never gave importance to Information Warfare and Perception Management. The DG ISPR is a Major General ranked officer dedicated to this task and creating a narrative while we're sticking to prepared statements that lose relevance in fast moving situations.

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Postby habal » 27 Feb 2019 18:31

Singha wrote:as of now zero civilian a.c flying over TSP, of any stripe. even the sea route is skirting a long way off the coast.

airspace N and W of Nai dilli is also clear.

our international flights are on track via the ahmedabad corridor.

it would be a good idea to play probing games and force TSP to keep its airspace closed for 3 months...just saying


+100

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Postby nam » 27 Feb 2019 18:31

Here is my guess on Mig-21. Given it's tremendous ability to dash to a point of contact, would you want it to be your choice of CAP?

You have Paks jet bombing and running back. Would you not send a mach 2 jet to chase them ?

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Postby Rishirishi » 27 Feb 2019 18:31

Schmidt wrote:The Pakis have clearly escalated by targeting our military installations

Now all their military assets are legitimate targets

As the saying goes , big boys play at night

Expect fireworks tonite


I think it is important to recognise that Pakistan itself is divided. There is a section of the Pakistani establishment who want to stop terror, as they think it is counter productive. Each time peace efforts has been made, it has been sabotaged by the hawks in TSP. Pakistan desperately needs peace with India. Even now there was backdoor diplomacy going on with a former Norwegian PM acting as a peace broker. Sudddenly we had 40 soldiers dead.

As of now Pakistani haws are very isolated. No world power is backing them. Even China is has not condemned the Indian attack. Rather they have stated that Breeding ground for terrorists must be erased.

Read this article of former Pakistani ambassador to US.

The headline is No country spoke in our favour on Indian strike.

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/iaf-balakot-air-strike-husain-haqqani-no-country-spoke-in-our-favour-on-indian-strike-1999934?pfrom=home-topstories

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Postby Rakesh » 27 Feb 2019 18:32

nam wrote:Here is my guess on Mig-21. Given it's tremendous ability to dash to a point of contact, would you want it to be your choice of CAP?

You have Paks jet bombing and running back. Would you not send a mach 2 jet to chase them ?

Nam, please stop. Let the IAF do its job. We do not know in what circumstances that MiG-21 was in that area.

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Postby nits » 27 Feb 2019 18:33

ks_sachin wrote:
Karan M wrote:
+100.

Please use your judgment guys. This thread moves so fast that by the tme we revisit, 2-3 pages get added.

General rules.

No posting details of military movement or he said/she said about Indian military stuff.
No posting unverified rumours from the Paki side which try to paint them as victors (this is INFORMATION WARFARE 101, which they are trying hard)
Counter any propaganda posted with facts
Don't lose your temper at fellow posters
Report posts to admins if somethings wrong

Report posts —- you are inviting trouble Karan.


Karan Sir is moderator and explaining the rules of posting; how is he inviting trouble ?

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Postby YashG » 27 Feb 2019 18:33

Manish Jain wrote:All these posts but I saw only one post asking am important question? Why PAF attacked in day?
No/limited night-time capability?

As for rest, we don't know the calculations of IAF/GOI so we will support them, whatever they decide to do.


yes this is analysis worthy. I remember that a lot of their fleet is not night ready. Anyone has more data on this?
And what this means is wait for tonight for diwali by IAF?

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Postby nam » 27 Feb 2019 18:35

Karan M wrote:Letting Pakistan control the narrative right now, is unacceptable (IMHO).


In their defence, we are not conducting ops against Pak millitary or at war like Kargil.

We are not at war with Pak(offically). There is really nothing to say from our side. We did not give out details when Pulwama attack was happening. This is no different.

They would probably start Media interaction, when we retaliate for today's action by Pak.

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Postby Singha » 27 Feb 2019 18:36

war is a cruel thing, but thats life.
there are atleast 3 lady fighter pilots in training...if they got shot down and that mob got hold of them? can the indian public take it?

likewise paf too has some lady fighter pilots.

the drawing room upper middle class who make lot of noise on social media is a lot distant from the ground realities of life. this goes for NRIs as well. they want, nay demand 10 wkts for 25 runs.

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Postby nam » 27 Feb 2019 18:37

Rakesh wrote:
nam wrote:Here is my guess on Mig-21. Given it's tremendous ability to dash to a point of contact, would you want it to be your choice of CAP?

You have Paks jet bombing and running back. Would you not send a mach 2 jet to chase them ?

Nam, please stop. Let the IAF do its job. We do not know in what circumstances that MiG-21 was in that area.


I agree. That was just my attempt to guess what might have happened. as I mentioned earlier, you cannot have CAP provided by only Su30 all along the 1000 km+ border.a

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Postby Prashanth_R » 27 Feb 2019 18:37

Rishirishi wrote:
Schmidt wrote:The Pakis have clearly escalated by targeting our military installations

Now all their military assets are legitimate targets

As the saying goes , big boys play at night

Expect fireworks tonite


I think it is important to recognise that Pakistan itself is divided. There is a section of the Pakistani establishment who want to stop terror, as they think it is counter productive. Each time peace efforts has been made, it has been sabotaged by the hawks in TSP. Pakistan desperately needs peace with India. Even now there was backdoor diplomacy going on with a former Norwegian PM acting as a peace broker. Sudddenly we had 40 soldiers dead.

As of now Pakistani haws are very isolated. No world power is backing them. Even China is has not condemned the Indian attack. Rather they have stated that Breeding ground for terrorists must be erased.

Read this article of former Pakistani ambassador to US.

The headline is No country spoke in our favour on Indian strike.

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/iaf-balakot-air-strike-husain-haqqani-no-country-spoke-in-our-favour-on-indian-strike-1999934?pfrom=home-topstories

Just FYI Husain Haqqani is kicked out of Pakistan long back. Now he is staying in USA and may be Us citizen now

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Re: Indian Forces Strikes Pakistan Terrorist Camps

Postby Mort Walker » 27 Feb 2019 18:37

Flight Radar is showing all flights close to border in India have moved east and south. Those flights headed west are going through northern Arabian Sea. No flights in all of TSP.

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Re: Indian Forces Strikes Pakistan Terrorist Camps

Postby Karan M » 27 Feb 2019 18:38

ks_sachin wrote:Report posts —- you are inviting trouble Karan.


I am counting on people's good judgement. Right now emotions are running high. I bet we all have a toxic mix of anger, frustration, etc. In such circumstances forum members will take it out against each other. That, we would wish to avoid.

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Postby Karan M » 27 Feb 2019 18:39

tsarkar wrote:
Karan M wrote:Letting Pakistan control the narrative right now, is unacceptable (IMHO).

Somehow GoI, MoD & Indian Armed Forces never gave importance to Information Warfare and Perception Management. The DG ISPR is a Major General ranked officer dedicated to this task and creating a narrative while we're sticking to prepared statements that lose relevance in fast moving situations.


You said it, tsarkar, I understand this GOIs reluctance to engage with the media, but we have to trust our folks and start sharing more info. or at least counter the malicious BS. This once a day stuff with a MEA spokesperson is not cutting it.

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Re: Indian Forces Strikes Pakistan Terrorist Camps

Postby habal » 27 Feb 2019 18:40

In any full fledged combat situations TSPA's oomph lasts for 4-5 days after which the juice and morale, spares stocks starts going down fast when realities of war start hitting home.

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Postby ricky_v » 27 Feb 2019 18:40

The need for non military pre emptive strike to enter the lexicon is because the dim globally have ascended to power; we know the terrorists are un-uniformed contractual paki soldiers and they know that too.

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Postby Will » 27 Feb 2019 18:40

I will say this again... nothing will change until the Paki generals feel that they are under threat themselves. A couple of BrahMos up their backsides should do the trick. Unless they feel their lives and lifestyle are under threat they will continue their mischief. India can’t back down now specially if our pilots have been captured. Pakistan would brag that they cowed down India.

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Postby Karan M » 27 Feb 2019 18:41

nits wrote:Karan Sir is moderator and explaining the rules of posting; how is he inviting trouble ?


No sir please, thanks.

He just meant we were going to be drowned in people reporting each others posts.

I am fairly certain the forum members won't do this. So far you guys have all been exceptional and even self-censoring info.

Please continue cooperating with each other & the admins.

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Postby Karan M » 27 Feb 2019 18:43

nam wrote:In their defence, we are not conducting ops against Pak millitary or at war like Kargil.

We are not at war with Pak(offically). There is really nothing to say from our side. We did not give out details when Pulwama attack was happening. This is no different.

They would probably start Media interaction, when we retaliate for today's action by Pak.


I doubt public understands or appreciates this nuance.
Besides one key reason to conduct the air strikes was deterrence, public and visible. By letting the Pakis control the narrative, we lose a significant impact.

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Re: Indian Forces Strikes Pakistan Terrorist Camps

Postby yensoy » 27 Feb 2019 18:43

I wanted us to impose a no-fly zone over Pak but looks like they did it by themselves. A week or so of no fly and all the jagirdars who need to go to Dubai, Karachi and other places will start hurting; so will their economy. I hope we can keep up the pressure on them. This would also be a good time to sabotage their main railway line.

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Postby nvishal » 27 Feb 2019 18:44

Aljazeera and Russia today running scrolling notes of 2 Indian pilots captured by Pakistan. One in hospital and one in custudy.

Claims that another jet was shot down and two more pilots ejected somewhere in the area.

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Postby a_bharat » 27 Feb 2019 18:45

CNN News 18 quotes Paki army stating that only 1 pilot is in their custody.
Pakis are trying to create confusion to hide the downing of F-16.
12-18 planes in the package.

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Postby Mort Walker » 27 Feb 2019 18:46

Rakesh wrote:By attacking a military installation, Pakistan has upped the ante.

With regards to the two - only one can be confirmed for now - Indian pilots who are in custody in Pakistan. If Wing Commander Abhinandan is in PAF custody, it is a good thing. As Saurav Jha says, he will be returned in one piece to India. My concern is for the second pilot who may be with the Pakistan Army. There is no video of him, unlike Wing Commander Abhinandan. We need to ascertain his status at the earliest. That is easier said than done though. Pray for both pilots and their families today. Ranting and raving on BRF does not help.



Are you certain there were 2 pilots? Right now MEA is saying only one missing.

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Re: Indian Forces Strikes Pakistan Terrorist Camps

Postby neeraj » 27 Feb 2019 18:46

What you you mean 12-18 in package

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Re: Indian Forces Strikes Pakistan Terrorist Camps

Postby Will » 27 Feb 2019 18:47

I have a feeling this is going to escalate into a limited war. The IA integrated battle groups should come into play.

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Postby habal » 27 Feb 2019 18:48

I checked it and it has no issues.
check the exchange.


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Re: Indian Forces Strikes Pakistan Terrorist Camps

Postby Patni » 27 Feb 2019 18:49

so looking forward to seeing pictures of karachi harbour at night under bright red glow from burning oil.


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