Indian Forces Strikes Pakistan Terrorist Camps

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Postby rhytha » 27 Feb 2019 22:44

Lalmohan wrote:Karthik S - with respect, the media dimension is a massively important part of warfare, especially now in the digital age. we have to be aware and understand when it is being used against us even if we are not very good at using it ourselves. keep monitoring but don't get fooled...


+1

Need to learn from Unkil, they had embedded journalist in Iraq and live telecasted shock & awe. All this 15 years back. And in 2019 we are debating about "PR" when it should be psycops from day 1.

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Postby Karthik S » 27 Feb 2019 22:45

Lalmohan wrote:Karthik S - with respect, the media dimension is a massively important part of warfare, especially now in the digital age. we have to be aware and understand when it is being used against us even if we are not very good at using it ourselves. keep monitoring but don't get fooled...


I never said media is not important, i said victor gets to dictate. In our case, URI SS is a good example. What I mean was, we shouldn't take hasty steps worrying about PR.

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Postby ArjunPandit » 27 Feb 2019 22:46

suryag wrote:It is cold why not cold start

Sir the only part cold in cold start is start. Now it's hot ;). Do we still have the dash to Indus? If you ask my vote will be for DOI

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Postby Cain Marko » 27 Feb 2019 22:47

Karthik S wrote:
Cain Marko wrote:The longer India takes to respond, the less likely will it's response be effective esp. In terms of making any PR difference. Modis tactics now will determine his fate as the public opinion that was so in his favor is now being challenged by the opposition in the open.

My guess is that it all depends upon the objective.... Is the plan to allow tsp and esp, the military there to save face with the current situation or put them in their place and make them benikaab by doing something? The latter will look good and seems like the only way forward, what was the point of the ss2 if the enemy hasn't still got the message?

It's completely playing chicken now and the side that blinks first loses.


Can we please stop worrying about PR and all ? We are in a war,objectives matter, PR will be dictated by the victor, just like history.


Look man, whether you like or not. War has not yet been declared so much of this has a very big PR element to it. And ultimately what is the objective? To teach tspa lesson. If so, the question remains had the lesson been learnt? Many would say no considering paks shenanigans today.

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Postby Aditya_V » 27 Feb 2019 22:48

on flight radar a Rex 21 Helicopter has taken off from Rawalpindi

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Postby ramana » 27 Feb 2019 22:48

Rhthya, Indian media will be informing Pakistan.
Bdutt already did.
Please everybody stop second guessing the GOI.
If you all are that great you would be in it. Not here.

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Postby Sid » 27 Feb 2019 22:49

No BVR engagement has happened so far, or has been disclosed. Both air-forces now possess BVR, even fallen Mig-21 had it.

Does interception rules require eye-ball confirmation before any formal engagement.

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Postby Cain Marko » 27 Feb 2019 22:49

At the very least now is a time to release pics from ss2 if available.

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Postby sanjaykumar » 27 Feb 2019 22:49

The stars are lining up....the relative economic strength, the vast Indian hinterland, massive Indian air power, US, Canada, EU, Iran and Afghanistan, not to include Israel, all rooting for India, a potent Indian navy. The politicians in Delhi won't be stopping this soon.

However they need to have objectives. Do not waste air resources on anything that is within 155mm artillery or Pinaka reach. Do not waste resources on cratering runways. Make the birds fly with feints from three directions and pick off one branch with air dominance Sukhois.

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Postby ArjunPandit » 27 Feb 2019 22:49

based on flightradar images, it seems there is a ring fence around pakistan few hundred km wide...
PS: Is it just me who thinks that that ring is widening

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Postby Gus » 27 Feb 2019 22:50

We are all projecting our wishes of constant update, "good PR" etc on the govt.

You are only going to be more disappointed.

This govt has a hostile media that is looking to trip it and trap it. It will only give specific stuff out when it feels necessary. Vastly different from Massa media which knowingly did drumbeat on non existent WMD.

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Postby Bart S » 27 Feb 2019 22:51

'We are so proud of him': Captured IAF pilot's father pens message:

"Thank you my friends for your concern and wishes. I thank God for his blessings, Abhi is alive, not injured, sound in mind, just look at the way he talked so bravely...a true soldier... we are so proud of him. I am sure all your hands and blessings are on his head , prayers for his safe return, I pray that he does not get tortured, and comes home safe and sound in body and mind. Thank you all for being with us in this hour of need. We draw our strengths from your support and energy," said former Air Marshal Varthaman, the father of Abhinandan, the IAF pilot who was captured by Pakistan this afternoon.

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Postby pralay » 27 Feb 2019 22:52

REX21 landed on pindi airport https://www.flightradar24.com/REX21/1fa3e0c9

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Postby ArjunPandit » 27 Feb 2019 22:53

on flightradar, There are few odd sign plane that pops up on paki airspace, when i click on it, it shows a helicopter and then after few minute it vanishes

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Postby Bart S » 27 Feb 2019 22:53

manjgu wrote:by restricting fight to kashmir..we are giving them fodder to parrot kashmir..the fight against terrorism has to be from siachin till Sir creek and beyond...


All in good time Sir. Don't underestimate Paki stupidity and propensity to don a soosai vest :wink:

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Postby abhijitm » 27 Feb 2019 22:53

pilot captured has changed to mood of people (evident from various WA groups). Not everyone understands what war actually means. We need to keep this aggressive posture.

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Postby Aditya_V » 27 Feb 2019 22:53

MY CT it is was searching for the debris of the downed Saab 2000

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Postby ArjunPandit » 27 Feb 2019 22:54

pralay wrote:REX21 landed on pindi airport https://www.flightradar24.com/REX21/1fa3e0c9
italian test plane?

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Postby Anshul Luther » 27 Feb 2019 22:55

vinod wrote:How about a siege on Pakistan?

This should be a slow.. slow... war... degrading their capability one by one.. ruining their economy in progress.


Siege on pak would be great but it's impossible to accommodate 200 million jihadists in Indian mainland. Also porkies would choose to sell themselves to China instead.
Provided that china is much more ruthless to jihadis then anything else.

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Postby nam » 27 Feb 2019 22:55

From a former IAF pilot

https://twitter.com/rhinohistorian/status/1100798616791330818

Paks were on to hitting a Brigade HQ and Ammo dump. A act of war.

If that had succeeded, we will not be talking about the pilot..

Bloody PAF looser could not even reach the target and ran off..

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Postby Austin » 27 Feb 2019 22:56

Arjun Subramaniam


An IAF Bison shot down an F-16 with a Close Combat missile the R-73 and during the pursuit crossed the LC and was brought down by ground fire. It was classic aerial action and of great significance that an F-16 was downed by an IAF Mig-21. IAF not perturbed at all-expected!


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Postby buddhu » 27 Feb 2019 22:57

long time lurker (15+ years)...
First time poster...

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Postby pralay » 27 Feb 2019 23:02

ArjunPandit wrote:
pralay wrote:REX21 landed on pindi airport https://www.flightradar24.com/REX21/1fa3e0c9
italian test plane?

They are flying with using false transponder data

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Postby shyamal » 27 Feb 2019 23:02

601 guests. BRF is the place to get info and sane analysis.

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Postby ArjunPandit » 27 Feb 2019 23:02

airspace is vacant, hopefully jhapads will come tonight

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Postby disha » 27 Feb 2019 23:04

disha wrote:I hope this is confirmed and corroborated.


Corroboration from ex-IAF pilot is good enough:

Arjun Subramaniam
@rhinohistorian

2/2 An IAF Bison shot down an F-16 with a Close Combat missile the R-73 and during the pursuit crossed the LC and was brought down by ground fire. It was classic aerial action and of great significance that an F-16 was downed by an IAF Mig-21. IAF not perturbed at all-expected!

1/2 Here is the fineprint so far. A large package of F-16’s headed for a bgde hq and an ammo dump in the Naushera sector was intercepted as soon as it crossed the LC, well short of its intended target by a combination of SU-30s and Mig-21 Bisons. One section of 3 F-16s.

And as said earlier by various posters in similar vein:

That is very very big!

A Mig-21 taking down F-16 is the first engagement of a western fighter with a soviet-era fighter post-Cold war. And a soviet-era fighter taking down a frontline fighter (F16) is testament to the skill and training and morale of Indian fighter pilots.

Praying for a safe return of WingCo and back to active duty.

All I can say is wow! Just wow! I do not understand the dhoti-shiver of jingoes. It is the Bakistani Fizzleya who are browning their salwars!

FizzleYa's F-Solahs are rendered as toothless, boneless chickens. Many abhinandans to WingCo Varthaman'ji.

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Postby ArjunPandit » 27 Feb 2019 23:05

SQB02ERA shows off and on paki airspace.

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Postby John » 27 Feb 2019 23:05

Interesting both Chinese and Russian media are gloating about Mig-21 shooting down "US" made F-16, US media has been mum about it.

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Postby Mollick.R » 27 Feb 2019 23:06

John wrote:Interesting both Chinese and Russian media are gloating about Mig-21 shooting down "US" made F-16, US media has been mum about it.


Link please

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Postby nam » 27 Feb 2019 23:07

The thing is Pak could have just extended their PR saying India was lying about the strike on Balakot and nothing happened. Do it like they did during SS. And it was not stuck on a millitary target. They could easily used PR. We also said there will not escalation.

But they went ahead with a hurried A2G strike on a target on LoC, without completing it, other than shooting down a Mig21.

Fell in to trap of what we really want to do. Grind the Pak millitary down, when their economy is on knees.

Now we will hit them hard, unless they will forced to call for ceasefire.

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Postby John » 27 Feb 2019 23:08

http://tass.com/world/1046597
https://www.rt.com/news/452536-india-do ... -aircraft/

I will try to find english version of Chinese news report.

Most of US media still report 2 Indian jets down.
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Postby nam » 27 Feb 2019 23:08

John wrote:Interesting both Chinese and Russian media are gloating about Mig-21 shooting down "US" made F-16, US media has been mum about it.


If the balloon goes up, lot of American & Chinese hardware will be falling down :D

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Postby Shivaji » 27 Feb 2019 23:09

Just one newbie question:

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ind ... 189141.cms

We have given demarche to Pakistan demanding an immediate return of Wing Commander Abhinandan.

What if Pakis indeed return him say tonight?

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Postby disha » 27 Feb 2019 23:09

ArjunPandit wrote:airspace is vacant, hopefully jhapads will come tonight


What happens if their airspace is kept vacant for 3 days? Anything that pops up, we shoot it down. Rinse and repeat for 3 days.

In effect, we have enforced a no-fly zone all over Bakistan!

And Cheen is not going to come to their aid. US has abandoned them. Former-UK is more worried about Brexit. France is going to be chair of UNSC and is reported to be looking to isolate Bakis in UNSC.

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Postby disha » 27 Feb 2019 23:10

Shivaji wrote:What if Pakis indeed return him say tonight?


IMO war should still continue.

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Re: Indian Forces Strikes Pakistan Terrorist Camps

Postby ramana » 27 Feb 2019 23:10

disha wrote:
shyamal wrote:As long as we cannot show the debris or a POW it is not much use to talk about the F16 - just my feeling.


^^Classic dhoti-shiver. Who are we going to show the debris? At the drop of hat, our own people want "proof", "visuals", "updates by minute" etc.

An interceptor's primary role is to intercept, not provide visuals to arm-chair warriors sitting behind screens.

If people want visuals, please go watch Uri movie.


Led by stal warts of this Forum itself.
Very disappointed by attitudes of forum members.
You want display of series?
Same attitude of British Military Intel when Gurkhas returning from night patrols demanded proof of Nazi kills.

Please leave the forum.
Right.now.
You can return later.

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Re: Indian Forces Strikes Pakistan Terrorist Camps

Postby ashishvikas » 27 Feb 2019 23:10

Paki airspace remains empty no doubt, but airspace over north of Delhi this empty at 22:50. Something's coming up.
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Postby yensoy » 27 Feb 2019 23:11

Shivaji wrote:We have given demarche to Pakistan demanding an immediate return of Wing Commander Abhinandan.
What if Pakis indeed return him say tonight?


They are pakis. They won't. That's how they think and that's who they are. But we will repay their gratitude by returning all their pilots we shoot down.
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Re: Indian Forces Strikes Pakistan Terrorist Camps

Postby ArjunPandit » 27 Feb 2019 23:11

disha wrote:
ArjunPandit wrote:airspace is vacant, hopefully jhapads will come tonight


What happens if their airspace is kept vacant for 3 days? Anything that pops up, we shoot it down. Rinse and repeat for 3 days.

In effect, we have enforced a no-fly zone all over Bakistan!

And Cheen is not going to come to their aid. US has abandoned them. Former-UK is more worried about Brexit. France is going to be chair of UNSC and is reported to be looking to isolate Bakis in UNSC.

inshallah more jhapads and the gareebi to paki majdoors looking to travel to jeddah

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Re: Indian Forces Strikes Pakistan Terrorist Camps

Postby Picklu » 27 Feb 2019 23:12

disha wrote:
ArjunPandit wrote:airspace is vacant, hopefully jhapads will come tonight


What happens if their airspace is kept vacant for 3 days? Anything that pops up, we shoot it down. Rinse and repeat for 3 days.

In effect, we have enforced a no-fly zone all over Bakistan!

And Cheen is not going to come to their aid. US has abandoned them. Former-UK is more worried about Brexit. France is going to be chair of UNSC and is reported to be looking to isolate Bakis in UNSC.


We need to publicly declare the no-fly zone enforcement now if that is true

Without declaring it in public, the effect is lost


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