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Postby A_Gupta » 26 Feb 2019 22:01

All that I can gather from the media is that this camp is on a forested hilltop along the Kunhar River some 20 kilometers from Balakot town. BBC quoted some Pakistani farmer, local resident, as having heard a huge explosion at around 3:00 AM his time, and next morning going to the site and seeing a large crater.

Anyone have coordinates that we can use to keep an eye on Google Earth as it gets fresh satellite photographs?

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These are the 3 locations in Pakistan that were bombed by Indian Air Force
Terrorist training camps of Jaish, Lashkar & Hizbul Mujahideen were hit in Balakot in strikes that lasted 21 minutes.
1. Balakot
2. Muzaffarabad
3. Chakoti
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Postby sudarshan » 26 Feb 2019 22:02

ArjunPandit wrote:
sudarshan wrote:Fantastic job by IAF, hearty congrats.....

i think it has not ended. There was more to it and will be more to it.


Hope so, fingers crossed :).

No no, no coup in Pak this time. Which army guy wants to be seen heading the country right now, and have to deal with Modi? They'd rather get Immy to keep taking the heat and blame and to take the tough decisions (or more likely, to swallow the humiliation of not being able to take any decision), while manipulating him from the background.

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Postby Singha » 26 Feb 2019 22:02

we can be pretty sure of getting good humint of ISI/PA movements in NWFP from afghan intel

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Postby chetak » 26 Feb 2019 22:02

nam wrote:Running my CT mode, I am thinking why did IAF target only one camp, why not LeT as well? It is not always you get an opportunity like this.

I am thinking IAF believes Pak will give us another opportunity.. soon or later. Pressure to retaliate will mount on PA. Since we have no "terror target", PA has to respond on a military asset.

GoI will then flag this as military attack on military target, where we did it on non-military terror target. The allows us to wipe Paks hard in an attrition war.

There is more to this..



just saying onlee, LeT was also hit.

All you need to know about Balakot that IAF airstrike destroyed

Sources said terrorist launchpads in Balakot, Chakothi, and Muzaffarabad were completely destroyed in the IAF air strikes, and that Jaish-e-Mohammed control rooms were also destroyed.
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Postby Philip » 26 Feb 2019 22:02

The Pakis might try and repeat 26/11 again as the sea route is v.difficult to police despite measures taken after that outrage.It will suffer devastating defeat in conventional warfare and using terrorists is still its best option.That will again see Indian military action.The big Q is when does the Paki cookid crumble?

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Postby Y I Patel » 26 Feb 2019 22:03

Music being played at Wagah border is old patriotic Hind song

Apnon ke liye dildar hain hum
Dushman ke liye talwaar hain hum

For ours we are full of love
For enemies we are a sword


Topical, wouldn’t you say?

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Postby Sid » 26 Feb 2019 22:04

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Austin wrote:DG ISPR states in that briefing that response will definately come and it is Indias turn to wait for our response , hinting at counter strike


Question is what is their target of choosing?

1. A military target in J&K.

2. Bait, and jump some lone flights on CAP or interception.

3. Another terrorist attack, an IAF target. Coupled with deniability, designed to embarrass for IAF.

1, or 2, will invite heavy military response. These are high risk low gain options, but will reinstate their image of poor victims.

3 is highly probable, but will invite similar air strikes in PoK, and will make Porkies a defacto terrorist state.


I would also add following options to the response matrix -

4. A Nuke missile tests.

5. A Nuke test itself.

6. A TNW usage near Porki side of LOC to demonstrate their will that they can use it.

7. PAF targeting some JEM training post in J&K itself, claiming they too are targeting terrorist.

8. PAF targeting Siachin, or remote Infra which is hard to defend.

PAF has GID-REK kits which are similar to JDAMs, allowing long range GPS/INS guided navigation but with much lower CEP.

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Postby Neela » 26 Feb 2019 22:13

Anyone can confirm?

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Postby vinod » 26 Feb 2019 22:15

Would Imran Khan dismiss the top Pak military generals on the grounds of incompetence and precipitating almost a war?

This would be an ideal opportunity for him to flex muscles, if he has the guts? He can be the winner of Nobel Peace prize if he does that or be blown up like Benazir... :)
or may be slightly better option would be join Nawaz!
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Postby Sid » 26 Feb 2019 22:16

^^ this actually happened last week or so, when they activate their Tomcats near Porki border. Not sure if any engagements will happen.

Nos to think of this, PAF can also try to redeem itself by striking few Iranian AF vintage fighters.

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Postby Y I Patel » 26 Feb 2019 22:16

Unconfirmed WhatsApp report one of IAF pilot is female

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Postby Austin » 26 Feb 2019 22:17

Sid wrote:
Sid wrote:
Question is what is their target of choosing?

1. A military target in J&K.

2. Bait, and jump some lone flights on CAP or interception.

3. Another terrorist attack, an IAF target. Coupled with deniability, designed to embarrass for IAF.

1, or 2, will invite heavy military response. These are high risk low gain options, but will reinstate their image of poor victims.

3 is highly probable, but will invite similar air strikes in PoK, and will make Porkies a defacto terrorist state.


I would also add following options to the response matrix -

4. A Nuke missile tests.

5. A Nuke test itself.

6. A TNW usage near Porki side of LOC to demonstrate their will that they can use it.

7. PAF targeting some JEM training post in J&K itself, claiming they too are targeting terrorist.

8. PAF targeting Siachin, or remote Infra which is hard to defend.

PAF has GID-REK kits which are similar to JDAMs, allowing long range GPS/INS guided navigation but with much lower CEP.


I think they will do one major strike or claimed strike against India target but most of their counter strike will come over many months where they will use terrorist to strike at Indian army at the place and time of their choosing like they did after surgical strike.

A bomb blast in city like it happened in Mumbai and other places before cannot be ruled out either.

Judging by their reaction they have suffered many casulties

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Postby khan » 26 Feb 2019 22:19

Looks like the Pakistanis are trying something across the LOC: https://twitter.com/natsecjeff/status/1 ... 12768?s=21

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Postby Singha » 26 Feb 2019 22:20

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the garuda non winged 450kg bomb looks similar to SPICE minus the wings

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Postby Singha » 26 Feb 2019 22:23

development trials of the winged version Garuthma started in 2014
https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/india-s ... ant-715505

so both should be in or near FOC now. we need to produce in quantity for the SU30/Tejas/Mig29K/Rafale fleet.

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Postby saip » 26 Feb 2019 22:25

vinod wrote:Would Imran Khan dismiss the top Pak military generals on the grounds of incompetence and precipitating almost a war?

This would be an ideal opportunity for him to flex muscles, if he has the guts? He can be the winner of Nobel Peace prize if he does that or be blown up like Benazir... :)
or may be slightly better option would be join Nawaz!

This is test of real democracy, If Trump, Modi and Imran Khan ask for resignation of their COAS immediately this is what will happen. Within the hour Modi and Trump will have a new COAS but Pakistan will have a new PM.

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Postby Singha » 26 Feb 2019 22:25

the 450kg HSLD bomb is in production and SU30 dropped a bunch in recent vayu shakti - i think is the garuda. could not find a pic of the winged garuthma.

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Postby parshuram » 26 Feb 2019 22:26

khan wrote:Looks like the Pakistanis are trying something across the LOC: https://twitter.com/natsecjeff/status/1 ... 12768?s=21


Just tying to understand how it is different if we take out IAF strikes out . Seems usual or more a hastingly desperate act .

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Postby Lilo » 26 Feb 2019 22:26

ricky_v wrote:Considering paki response in indian soil might be a stretch, targeting our interests in the larger indian subcontinent is a lower hanging fruit, the mission to afghanistan is often targeted, and with irgc being fair game, maybe chabhar port can also be extended an invitation to enter the quagmire. If their eastern borders are off target, perhaps they can open an outlet to their west.

Response by Pakis as usual will be terror attacks after activating their sleeper cells in India.They know they will be whupped in any conventional aar paar ki larai with IA.

Trains/Buses & Flights & Bases need to be secured & we need to be vigilant.
Remember 2006 pressure cookers in local trains of Mumbai - such simple mass slaughter will be the response.

In India after each terror attack, Bharatiya response should be akin to a Python constricting the wind out of the Jihadi Beast after its each gasp of air(i.e terror attacks).

NaMo is the right man to do that.
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Postby Amber G. » 26 Feb 2019 22:28

I am impressed by Modi and his government - IAF and GOI deserves each other.

From MainStreamNewspaper Reports:

Prime Minister Narendra Modi was up all night as he monitored the Indian Air Force operation to destroy a Jaish-e-Mohammed terror camp in Pakistan, relaxing only after all the pilots returned safely home, government sources said on Tuesday. After congratulating all those involved in the operation around 4.30 am, he got busy with his daily routine as he prepared for a full day's schedule, including the meeting of the Cabinet Committee on Security at his residence around 10 am, PTI reported. He then rushed to the Rashtrapati Bhawan, where President Ram Nath Kovind conferred the Gandhi Peace Prize for 2015-2018.

Meanwhile EAM Sushma Swaraj have called US, European and others counterparts and the interaction has been good. For example, statements from countries like Austraila, US, France has been basically quite supportive of India.

IAF has been impressive, but Indian diplomats this time are doing a good job too.

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Postby khan » 26 Feb 2019 22:29

parshuram wrote:
khan wrote:Looks like the Pakistanis are trying something across the LOC: https://twitter.com/natsecjeff/status/1 ... 12768?s=21


Just tying to understand how it is different if we take out IAF strikes out . Seems usual or more a hastingly desperate act .


Apparently all Military installations in J&K have gone dark. The only reason to do this is to make it harder to be targeted from the air. There might be F-16’s over POK testing to see if they can sneak across and drop some ordinance.

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Postby IndraD » 26 Feb 2019 22:32

little pooch :

what are chances paki army sacrificed Jaish to save army generals just like they sacrificed OBL to save Paki generals??

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Postby Arun.prabhu » 26 Feb 2019 22:33

This is to save pakistani’s army face before the only people that matter - the vast mass of brainwashed paki citizenry who believe them. Escalating everywhere on the border is to show those folks they remain relevant and to salvage some pride within their ranks. Puppet theatre and nothing more.

parshuram wrote:
khan wrote:Looks like the Pakistanis are trying something across the LOC: https://twitter.com/natsecjeff/status/1 ... 12768?s=21


Just tying to understand how it is different if we take out IAF strikes out . Seems usual or more a hastingly desperate act .

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Postby Sid » 26 Feb 2019 22:33

khan wrote:
Apparently all Military installations in J&K have gone dark. The only reason to do this is to make it harder to be targeted from the air. There might be F-16’s over POK testing to see if they can sneak across and drop some ordinance.


^^ such measures are useless, as modern JDAMs don't rely on visual aids.

Those must F-16 be intercepted well before they can reach border.

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Postby abhijitm » 26 Feb 2019 22:34


maa kasam what is this chutiyapa? These guys going to retaliate!! :rotfl:

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Postby yensoy » 26 Feb 2019 22:34

khan wrote:Apparently all Military installations in J&K have gone dark. The only reason to do this is to make it harder to be targeted from the air. There might be F-16’s over POK testing to see if they can sneak across and drop some ordinance.


This would be a good time to take out a Paki F-16 which makes its way somewhat close to the LoC to put an end to this nonsense line of thought.

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Postby Mort Walker » 26 Feb 2019 22:35

^^^They might have limited JDAMs and more chini dumb bombs.

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Postby Arun.prabhu » 26 Feb 2019 22:36

Zero. We have never made a reprisal using the IAF nor have we ever struck this deep into their territory.

IndraD wrote:little pooch :

what are chances paki army sacrificed Jaish to save army generals just like they sacrificed OBL to save Paki generals??

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Postby Mort Walker » 26 Feb 2019 22:37

Need to be careful as PAF might hit civilian aircraft flying near the border. An easy target.

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Postby JTull » 26 Feb 2019 22:38

Deans wrote:
Vips wrote:I hope we get as many Mirage 2000's available from other countries. Both Qatar and Taiwan were willing to sell their birds to us.


Also Greece which is almost bankrupt. I was hoping they would sell us some `saste mein'.


Greeks won't give up their trump card when Turkish F-16s come calling. Both sides have F-16s so they hold no other surprises.

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Postby IndraD » 26 Feb 2019 22:38

kindly allow to post in full: https://www.news18.com/news/india/5-rea ... 48811.html


Here’s why this strike marks a paradigm shift in India’s counter-terrorism approach.

1. India, for the first time, has broken a self-imposed psychological barrier of not resorting to first aerial attack. That a dozen IAF jets could fly past Pakistani air defences undetected, penetrate up to 100 km into hinterland, and return home safely, sends across a message that no place in Pakistan is safe: neither Islamabad nor their military capital Rawalpindi.

2. Just two days ago, Pakistan Army PR chief Maj Gen Asif Ghafoor had given a belligerent press conference in Islamabad saying India can initiate any kind of aggression, but the right of escalation would remain with Pakistan. In layman terms, he was threatening a nuclear retaliation should India violate Pakistan’s sovereignty. The bold strike by a dozen IAF jets has called the recurring nuclear bluff of Islamabad. The message: do what you want to do, we will not be cowed anymore by any kind of threat.

3. By carefully choosing the main Jaish terror training camp located deep in a forest area in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, India has also demonstrated that it has the ground-level intel capabilities to strike at terror targets without incurring civilian casualties. Any strike at Lashkar HQ in Muridke near Lahore or Jaish HQ in Bahawalpur in south Punjab would have incurred heavy casualties since the complexes also host huge civilian establishments, for instance, like madrassas.

4. The successful strike also establishes IAF’s technical superiority and proves it is second to none. Penetrating deep and returning safe means IAF deployed high-powered jammers that emasculated Pakistan’s US-made radar defences. The operation was also laser targeted to minimize any civilian casualties.

5. That no international player has criticised India for the action signals a victory for days of painstaking parleys undertaken by India’s diplomatic establishment with US and Russia, and probably Iran and Israel. New Delhi is calling it a ‘non-military pre-emptive strike’, a new entry in our diplomatic arsenal, which leaves multiple options open to inflict pain on non-state actors in the face of provocations like Uri or Pulwama.

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Postby Singha » 26 Feb 2019 22:39

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Pakistan's basic problems are 1) ISPR has very little credibility on the international stage, 2) it's not obvious what its meaningful conventional options are, and 3) non-state actor attacks as retaliation undermine its own narrative.

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Not escalating after foreign powers conduct face-saving, non-strike strikes is tactically dangerous, strategically insane.

Since 2011, this is fourth such strike (OBL raid, Salala, so-called "surgical strike" & now Balakot).

Not escalating = redefining red line.

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Postby pralay » 26 Feb 2019 22:42

A_Gupta wrote:https://theprint.in/defence/these-are-the-3-locations-in-pok-that-were-bombed-by-indian-air-force/197921/

Theprint is using incorrect map by displaying Siachin glacier as part of PoK,
Can someone report them to appropriate authority ?

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Postby rkhanna » 26 Feb 2019 22:43

Sid wrote:
khan wrote:
Apparently all Military installations in J&K have gone dark. The only reason to do this is to make it harder to be targeted from the air. There might be F-16’s over POK testing to see if they can sneak across and drop some ordinance.


^^ such measures are useless, as modern JDAMs don't rely on visual aids.

Those must F-16 be intercepted well before they can reach border.


Not useless sirji. In the mountains and valleys light navigation always helps and the eye ball is a redundancy to technology which has the bad habit of malfunctioning at the most opportune time.

Lights out is standard SOP.

And also degrades efficiency of ground forces. If an uri type attack (BAT+SSG) is a probability

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Postby Singha » 26 Feb 2019 22:47

going to sleep now. my prediction - pakis will try a sneak air+missile attack tonight on the gujarat sector.

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Postby yensoy » 26 Feb 2019 22:52

Guys, it suddenly struck me that if PAF fields F-16 aircraft to incurse into India, and we pick them off one by one, that will make Lockheed Martin's chances of selling us F-16s (or F-21s) plummet to zero since we would have proven that F-16 is showing its age. So would it be fair to expect LM to warn the Pakis to not use F-16s against India? For if the Pakis do send in F-16s we will definitely shoot down a couple - air-to-air or ground-to-air, of that there is no doubt.

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Postby khan » 26 Feb 2019 22:54

Singha wrote:going to sleep now. my prediction - pakis will try a sneak air+missile attack tonight on the gujarat sector.


Let’s hope they try something and get further humiliation.

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Postby Y I Patel » 26 Feb 2019 22:55

“Non-military preemptive strike”

Now they are making it sound like something a babu would do if he got up on the wrong side of his bed. Of all the cuts, calling it by such a name has to sting the most.

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Postby Singha » 26 Feb 2019 22:56

their main strike pkg would be the ROSE mirage5, escorted by F16 in a2a mode and coverage of 1 ereyie awacs with midas tanker in the back. kind of similar to our pkg.

dont forget we have a sea coast also, and with drop tanks and 1 refuel on outbound and return , the F-solahs can range as far south as Kochi with some useful payload.

ofcourse its another matter if we chase away the midas, in which case he can (a) surrender and land in india (b) ditch in sea (c) do a 911


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