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Postby pankajs » 28 Feb 2019 15:23

Vinod Ji wrote:
Deans wrote:
True, The land route is a non starter. China will use it to transport cotton from Xinjiang, to the Chinese export processing zone at Gwadar and undercut Pakistani textile exports, because they would have secured more tax benefits compared to Pak exporters. The beauty is Pak pays to get screwed - since the project is financed by a loan from Panda.



Pipeline is included in cpec.

Where? I haven't heard of any pipeline being built.

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Postby Ardeshir » 28 Feb 2019 15:24

Seems to be an Air Arabia, and one Emirates - both from Peshawar. https://www.flightradar24.com/UAE637/1fa5b83c

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Postby Ardeshir » 28 Feb 2019 15:26

http://ehamedya.com/pakistani-fm-says-p ... 19397.html

Pakistani FM says Pakistan is ready to release the Indian pilot, India responds
Pakistani Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi said on Thursday that his country is ready to consider the release of the Indian pilot, who has been detained since it broke through Pakistani airspace, as a way to reduce the recent tension with New Delhi.


Shalwars truly brown now?

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Postby partha » 28 Feb 2019 15:27

So many twists. One one hand airspace is being opened indicating thaw and on the other hand India's statements seem to indicate there would be escalation. I guess we will have to wait for the press conference today evening.

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Postby Shivaji » 28 Feb 2019 15:27

Few things that could be construed from Twitter posts:
1) Paki PM wanted to have direct phone call with Modi ji. Modi ji probably refused to talk to him.
2) Dossier on Pulwama attack was handed over to Pakistani deputy High Commissioner yesterday.
3) Saudi has tried to mediate this time. Immediate action Pakis have promised is to repatriate Wing Commander Abhinandan.
4) Most probably time bound actions would be expected from Pakistan regarding JeM and dossier we have given. --> my conjecture

Pakistan is trying to make it Kandahar like situation w.r.t. Wing Commander Abhinandan making it as an end of engagement. We are trying to say that is is pre-requisite. If Pakis hand him over today, they will get few days of respite in my view. If not, they seem to be in for a rude shock.
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Postby Aditya_V » 28 Feb 2019 15:28

Regardign CPEC pipeline, to lift oil up, to have seperate heating to ensure pipes dont fracture, would need a seperate Energy grid worth many billions of Dollars.

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Postby sudhan » 28 Feb 2019 15:30

A 'PATRIOT1' has shown up, from Quetta

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Postby ranneel » 28 Feb 2019 15:30

partha wrote:So many twists. One one hand airspace is being opened indicating thaw and on the other hand India's statements seem to indicate there would be escalation. I guess we will have to wait for the press conference today evening.

Only on the Western side..Peshawar...Quetta Gulf route.

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Postby partha » 28 Feb 2019 15:35

Shivaji wrote:
4) Most probably time bound actions would be expected from Pakistan regarding JeM and dossier we have given. --> my conjecture

Most likely evening press conf will convey this and that we reserve right to hit terror camps in Pakistan. In the latest statement, India is accusing Pak of creating war hysteria. Not sure what to make of it. Looks like de-escalation it is. It will be a mistake in my opinion. This is a great chance to deliver a knock out punch to their economy.

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Postby harish_ch » 28 Feb 2019 15:37

Are we waiting for the OIC meet to be done before we start any action ..Sushma ji is travelling today as guest of honour and the meet is from March1st to 2nd

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Postby Aditya_V » 28 Feb 2019 15:41

Regarding war hysteria, we have not mobilised but Pakis have fully done, repeat it a few times and they go kaput, we should make public accept F-16 loss and publically bury some of the more important members at Balakot before any descalation

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Postby vishals » 28 Feb 2019 15:41

Times Now is reporting that they have received exclusive proofs on Balakot Strike.

TIMES NOW

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COMING UP AT 3:30PM: BIG BREAKING ON TIMES NOW

THE BIGGEST NEWSBREAK ON BALAKOTE.

TUNE IN TO TIMES NOW. | #IndiaStandAsOne

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Postby partha » 28 Feb 2019 15:41

harish_ch wrote:Are we waiting for the OIC meet to be done before we start any action ..Sushma ji is travelling today as guest of honour and the meet is from March1st to 2nd

LOL ghanta OIC. Who cares about OIC? They support Pak stance on Kashmir and have condemned India for Balakot strike. bhaad mein jaaye OIC.

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Postby Dileep » 28 Feb 2019 15:42

FlightRadar GCI operators.. please remember that the data is from ADS-B receivers sent via the internet, so the coverage varies a lot. So, an aircraft dropping out from map simply means that no data received from any ADS-B receiver about its squak. It need not mean the transponder is turned off.

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Postby SaiK » 28 Feb 2019 15:42

https://twitter.com/saikanomie/status/1 ... 62144?s=19

Wow! We have blown the core engine itself!

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Postby yensoy » 28 Feb 2019 15:44

Yesterday Iron Brother flight to Lahore diverted to Delhi; passengers returned to Guangzhou. Since they fly twice a day to Delhi, I am sure some crew was available to do the return trip (it would have been more urgent to get the Pakis out than to fly the scheduled Delhi-Guangzhou flight).
It was a widebody.
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/cz6037#1fa2fa68

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Postby pralay » 28 Feb 2019 15:51

more analysis of the F16 wreckage tomtomed by PAF as Mig21
https://twitter.com/sameershelavale/sta ... 4627450881
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Postby Thakur_B » 28 Feb 2019 15:52

vishals wrote:Times Now is reporting that they have received exclusive proofs on Balakot Strike.

TIMES NOW

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@TimesNow
1m1 minute ago
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COMING UP AT 3:30PM: BIG BREAKING ON TIMES NOW

THE BIGGEST NEWSBREAK ON BALAKOTE.

TUNE IN TO TIMES NOW. | #IndiaStandAsOne



Some sort of confirmation from some goat herder in PoK for Balakote strikes.

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Postby partha » 28 Feb 2019 15:55

Homeland Security Blog


@Homesecpak
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Pakistan airspace update 14h30

2 commercial aircraft that had landed yesterday before the closure were allowed to leave from Peshawar a shortwhile ago.

No further commercial aircraft activity has been allowed.

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Postby TandavBrahmand » 28 Feb 2019 15:56

Ardeshir wrote:Seems to be an Air Arabia, and one Emirates - both from Peshawar. https://www.flightradar24.com/UAE637/1fa5b83c


Only 3 outgoing flights. Looks like the evacuation of some high-value guests. Signs for escalation?

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Postby Aditya_V » 28 Feb 2019 16:00

So more or less slam dunk that it was upgraded F-16B which went down

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Postby Trikaal » 28 Feb 2019 16:09

pralay wrote:more analysis of the F16 wreckage tomtomed by PAF as Mig21
https://twitter.com/sameershelavale/sta ... 4627450881
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Umm, do those 2 inlets look similar? The burnt one seems much more rounder and bigger to me. Though it definitely doesn't look like a Mig-21 inlet to me.

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Postby Austin » 28 Feb 2019 16:13

I was looking at the video here https://twitter.com/MdShafiKhatana/stat ... 0864004096

In my view the engine cowling or ribbed metal is not the Engine part but more like Part of Aircraft fuselage

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But the drop tank looks like from F-16

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Postby abhijitm » 28 Feb 2019 16:14

Trikaal wrote:
pralay wrote:more analysis of the F16 wreckage tomtomed by PAF as Mig21
https://twitter.com/sameershelavale/sta ... 4627450881
Image

Umm, do those 2 inlets look similar? The burnt one seems much more rounder and bigger to me. Though it definitely doesn't look like a Mig-21 inlet to me.

he is making point that mig 21 doesn't have inlet of that shape.

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Postby tsarkar » 28 Feb 2019 16:16

pralay wrote:more analysis of the F16 wreckage tomtomed by PAF as Mig21
https://twitter.com/sameershelavale/sta ... 4627450881
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Not correct. F-16 inlet doesnt have any lining inside. The MiG-21 fuselage is bent on impact giving an F-16 appearance.

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Postby Trikaal » 28 Feb 2019 16:17

abhijitm wrote:
Trikaal wrote:Umm, do those 2 inlets look similar? The burnt one seems much more rounder and bigger to me. Though it definitely doesn't look like a Mig-21 inlet to me.

he is making point that mig 21 doesn't have inlet of that shape.

I get that. I am trying to decipher which aircraft it is. Doesn't seem like either F-16 or Mig-21 to me. Could it be JF-17? Not familiar with its design.

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Postby JTull » 28 Feb 2019 16:19

ranneel wrote:
Ardeshir wrote:Commercial flights in Bakistan seem to have resumed. De-escalation?
https://twitter.com/hthjones/status/1101050208547491840

From Peshawar ...yes. Eastern side is quite.Does'nt make sense to open so early.


Seems 3 foreign airlines being allowed to take their aircraft out: Air Arabia, Emirates, Qatar Airways

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Postby Austin » 28 Feb 2019 16:20

pralay wrote:more analysis of the F16 wreckage tomtomed by PAF as Mig21
https://twitter.com/sameershelavale/sta ... 4627450881
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It looks mangled but that does not look F-16 to me

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Postby tsarkar » 28 Feb 2019 16:20

SaiK wrote:https://twitter.com/saikanomie/status/1101059110861062144?s=19

Wow! We have blown the core engine itself!

The biggest mistake of the ANI tweet is that it posted a GE engine. Pakistani F-16s since 1980 have P&W engines including their newest Block 50 ones. Secondly the black engine liner is there in MiG-21 engine too.

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Postby tsarkar » 28 Feb 2019 16:22

Austin wrote:But the drop tank looks like from F-16
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Its a MiG-21 drop tank
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Postby Indrajit » 28 Feb 2019 16:22

Pakistani F-16 was indeed a twin seater.Vishnu reporting .

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Postby Singha » 28 Feb 2019 16:23

pralay wrote:more analysis of the F16 wreckage tomtomed by PAF as Mig21
https://twitter.com/sameershelavale/sta ... 4627450881
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this is completely wrong its not the F16 - its our Mig21. the wreckage has that curvy edged round thing thats the back of the engine, not the bigmouth. the sine wave thing is the flame stabilizer at core of tumansky R25 engine

see both wrecks fell in same area. pics all got mixed. the pic with officer on phone is the F16 engine case, the pic with guy taking cellphone pic is our Mig21

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Postby Austin » 28 Feb 2019 16:29

tsarkar wrote:
Austin wrote:But the drop tank looks like from F-16
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Its a MiG-21 drop tank
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Nah look at the rear end of the drop tank on Mig-21 its Curvy while this one is not and is exactly like the F-16 with Drop Tank Picture I had posted , The front end of Mig-21 tank is more sharp and not blunt

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Postby Aditya_V » 28 Feb 2019 16:30

No Sir see the Mixed pics, the ones with Indian flag and light grey is Indian Mig , MEA and IAF statement said 1 IAF aircraft missing and 1 enemy aircraft shot down. These are not the Mig 21's wreckage. So this definitely of the PAF aircraft, notice how the tail is hidden away and parts including CFT taken away by Pak Army, compared to leaving the Bison fuselage with Pak troops standing and posing along with it. These dont look like MIrage 3 or JF 17, the rectangle ribbed structure defiantly looks like F-16

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Postby Trikaal » 28 Feb 2019 16:31

Singha wrote:
pralay wrote:more analysis of the F16 wreckage tomtomed by PAF as Mig21
https://twitter.com/sameershelavale/sta ... 4627450881
Image


this is completely wrong its not the F16 - its our Mig21. the wreckage has that curvy edged round thing thats the back of the engine, not the bigmouth. the sine wave thing is the flame stabilizer at core of tumansky R25 engine

see both wrecks fell in same area. pics all got mixed. the pic with officer on phone is the F16 engine case, the pic with guy taking cellphone pic is our Mig21


Are u sure about the engine case? That seems like aircraft fuselage part to me.

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Postby asinh » 28 Feb 2019 16:32

Wingco released to Red Cross?

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Postby Austin » 28 Feb 2019 16:33

Trikaal wrote:
Singha wrote:
this is completely wrong its not the F16 - its our Mig21. the wreckage has that curvy edged round thing thats the back of the engine, not the bigmouth. the sine wave thing is the flame stabilizer at core of tumansky R25 engine

see both wrecks fell in same area. pics all got mixed. the pic with officer on phone is the F16 engine case, the pic with guy taking cellphone pic is our Mig21


Are u sure about the engine case? That seems like aircraft fuselage part to me.


yes Its fuselage , I posted screen shot

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Postby Austin » 28 Feb 2019 16:35

We have yet to see any conclusive pictures of F-16 parts , Perhaps they fell off far off from Mig-21 crash site.

The only evidence we have is initial POK folks from ground who on multiple occasion confirmed of 2-3 parachutes

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Postby Trikaal » 28 Feb 2019 16:36

Best way to remove confusion, shoot down 7-8 F-16s in a repeat raid. Pakistan cannot hide away that many :twisted:

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Postby Lalmohan » 28 Feb 2019 16:39

iron birather has urged smaller than ant chamcha to cool down asap and behave as per international norms (i.e. release the pilot)

no reporting on F16 loss in western media, I guess due to lack of evidence so far... but it will come


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