Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 21 Mar 2019 01:58

They are on coup watch.

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 21 Mar 2019 02:01

https://twitter.com/ANI/status/1108392755879919617

Pakistan MoFA (Ministry of Foreign Affairs) statement: Pakistan summons the Indian High Commissioner to register a strong protest and condemnation of the acquittal of all four accused in the Samjhauta terror attacks

Understand how India has been set up by the Maino-Congress/Paki nexus.

First, four Hindus are arrested, tortured, and tried on purely trumped-up charges of being a "Hindu Terrorist" cell implicated in the Samjhauta Express blasts.

Note: even the Culinary Institute designated LeT terrorist Arif Qasmani as responsible based on their evidence; Congress ignored this and pressed ahead with the "Hindu Terrorism" farce.

Second, after many long years lost to jail time and the court system, these men are found (deservingly) innocent and acquitted.

Third, Pakistan protests that Indian courts are kangaroo courts that have set Hindu Terrorists free.

Fourth, when we present evidence that any "action" the Pakistan govt. claims to take against Dawood, Hafiz Saeed or Masood Azhar is a sham... that these people are simply kept under 5-star "house arrest" before being acquitted by Pakistani courts to continue their jihadi efforts... the Pakistanis can point to the Samjhauta Express acquittals and say "you do the same thing."

Remember you can't wake up those who only pretend to be sleeping. Both inside and outside India, many people will accept and amplify this "equal-equal" line. Advantage Pakistan and the Congress.

Never forget what the internal enemies of India have done to us. Without such coordinated support, the Pakistanis couldn't have achieved a fraction of the damage they have inflicted upon India.

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 21 Mar 2019 02:28

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-24823846

Saudi nuclear weapons 'on order' from Pakistan (2013 article)

Saudi Arabia has invested in Pakistani nuclear weapons projects, and believes it could obtain atomic bombs at will, a variety of sources have told BBC Newsnight.

While the kingdom's quest has often been set in the context of countering Iran's atomic programme, it is now possible that the Saudis might be able to deploy such devices more quickly than the Islamic republic.

Earlier this year, a senior Nato decision maker told me that he had seen intelligence reporting that nuclear weapons made in Pakistan on behalf of Saudi Arabia are now sitting ready for delivery.

Last month Amos Yadlin, a former head of Israeli military intelligence, told a conference in Sweden that if Iran got the bomb, "the Saudis will not wait one month. They already paid for the bomb, they will go to Pakistan and bring what they need to bring."

Since 2009, when King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia warned visiting US special envoy to the Middle East Dennis Ross that if Iran crossed the threshold, "we will get nuclear weapons", the kingdom has sent the Americans numerous signals of its intentions.

Also a C130 was seen on flight radar originating in KSA and ingressing into Pakistani airspace today. Not to mention the three B777 flights we noted previously.

CT/

MBS does not want to wait to pick up his nuclear weapons from Pakistan.

With Trump (his staunch defender) in the White House, he believes this is the best time to do it (GOTUS will not put any restrictions).

On the other hand the globalist international community (including members of US political establishment and media apparatus) were turning against MBS after the journalist-killing episode in Turkey. So the window was getting tighter.

Meanwhile Iran also is no longer bound to the N-deal. So they could be nuke-ready at any time.

MBS knew that India planned to crack some skulls after Pulwama and was possibly advised of Balakot in advance. The chaos, fog-of-war, and Pakistan airspace closure following Balakot and the failed Paki response has given MBS four things he needs to complete taking possession of the nukes:

1) Pak airspace is clear of commercial traffic and on high alert. This diminishes the chance of (say) Israel or Iran doing a lightning air/missile strike to take down any KSA planes transporting nukes back to Saudi Arabia.

2) There may be some Pak army elements who do not want to let go of the nukes (don't want to allow KSA to take delivery of nukes). Maybe Iran-sympathetic jernails, or those who want to preserve Pakistan's "sole Muslim nuclear power" leverage. It would be much harder for them to stage a coup or otherwise interfere with the process of KSA taking delivery, when they are getting hammered by India along LOC and IB.

3) Pakistan in general is in no position to hedge, delay, or refuse to give the nukes to KSA on demand. They rely completely on KSA money, oil, perhaps weapons to save their hides from the battering they are getting.

4) Most importantly: Balakot and the Ft. Abbas Brahmos strike have made it clear that no nuclear weapon stored anywhere in Pakistan is safe. So Pakistan cannot argue with MBS that they have secure custody of nukes owed to KSA.

In sum: MBS is on board with all of Modi's actions since Balakot because they create the conditions for him to take delivery of the promised nukes from Pakistan's inventory with immediate effect. Pakis know this and cannot do $hit. Maybe even the Chinese (for whom KSA is an important potential BRI partner/energy-supplier) are giving Pakistan no more than verbal support against India for exactly this reason... for all the "iron brother" dialogue, they don't give a $hit about Pakistan's H&D as compared to getting in the good books of KSA. (See how Qureishi came back from his bhikari trip to Beijing empty-handed, and is now saying "peace and talks are the only solution".)

/CT

So assuming the CT is true, what happens now? Let's say this C130 is taking back the last of the nukes from Pakistan to KSA today. After that MBS has no further interest Indo-Pak hostility one way or another. He may even have made some charitable donations (POL, money, weapons) to Pakistan to sweeten the process of taking delivery. At the very least he will have compensated Pakistan for the money lost by weeks of NOTAMs.

And perhaps that is why Im the Dim today met with his three service chiefs... to take stock of the new situation now that KSA is no longer in the picture, and determine next steps w.r.t. the beating they are (still) taking from India.

My theory... again, assuming above CT to be true... is that from now on international community (including US, EU nations, maybe even Roos) will start really pressuring India to wind down ops, because delivery of KSA nukes is complete. We will probably stand down because we don't want any more trouble right before elections.

ArjunPandit · Post by **ArjunPandit** » 21 Mar 2019 03:27

Sanju wrote:
SBajwa wrote:
His full name is Imran Khan Niazi and his uncle aak niazi surrendered Dhaka in 1971
Good propaganda material, but they are from different branches of Niazi clan.

In a country where inbreeding is common how can you be one be not sure

ArjunPandit · Post by **ArjunPandit** » 21 Mar 2019 03:28

Rudradevg what happened in fort Abbas

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 21 Mar 2019 03:30

^I might have got the location wrong. But it was that empty n-weapon storage facility that was reportedly hit by Brahmos with penetrator warheads in 1st week of March.

Droneacharya · Post by **Droneacharya** » 21 Mar 2019 03:32

ArjunPandit wrote:Rudradevg what happened in fort Abbas

Rumor is that of a salvo strike using multiple Brahmos missiles on a nuclear weapons storage facility that was not on the list of such facilities exchanged annually b/w India & Pakistan.

Guddu · Post by **Guddu** » 21 Mar 2019 03:53

Are we sure the site was empty....what is the reasoning for that

nam · Post by **nam** » 21 Mar 2019 04:05

We exchange nuke reactor site location. Not weapon storage locations.

It is a chai biscuit process, as the same information will be with IAEA.

Droneacharya · Post by **Droneacharya** » 21 Mar 2019 04:17

nam wrote:We exchange nuke reactor site location. Not weapon storage locations.

It is a chai biscuit process, as the same information will be with IAEA.

From the 1998 agreement b/w India and Pak:

“The term "nuclear installation or facility" includes nuclear power and research reactors, fuel fabrication, uranium enrichment, isotopes separation and reprocessing facilities as well as any other installations with fresh or irradiated nuclear fuel and materials in any form and establishments storing significant quantities of radio-active materials.”

India/Pak exchange more than just reactor site locations but I could have worded it better. I was trying to say Bharat (allegedly, of course) hit a location not covered by 1988 agreement.

ArjunPandit · Post by **ArjunPandit** » 21 Mar 2019 04:28

nothing of that sort happened

you people are just war mongers. Since the days of Ghenghis khan we are peace lovers. Tauba tauba

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 21 Mar 2019 04:29

Guddu wrote:Are we sure the site was empty....what is the reasoning for that

I think it was empty. We would not have wanted a chance of sympathetic detonation (not at this stage of the game). Point was to send a message that they could neither ignore nor deny.

After Balakot, MBS must have immediately called up Im and Bajwa demanding delivery of his nukes because the SPICE 2K instant-shawarma had shown that Pakistani nuke facilities are not safe.

Im and Bajwa must have tried to half-heartedly argue:

"but-but-but... they only hit a few trees... ok, a few ramshackle buildings... nuke storage facilities are much more secure"

etc.

So another demonstration had to be made. Right after the Brahmos strike (results verified by Culinary Institute observers), phone call went from Pigeon to Riyadh and the Pakis could no longer claim with any credibility that Saudi nukes were secure in their hands.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 21 Mar 2019 04:38

Guddu wrote:Are we sure the site was empty....what is the reasoning for that

Don't worry. The Pigeon knows.

ArjunPandit · Post by **ArjunPandit** » 21 Mar 2019 05:09

Given the way things are, I dont expect to hear anything meaningful on FortAbbas anytime before 5 years or the collapse of pakistan. Whichever comes first

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 21 Mar 2019 05:10

Rudradev wrote:https://twitter.com/ANI/status/1108392755879919617
Pakistan MoFO (Ministry of Foreign Officers) statement: Pakistan summons the Indian High Commissioner to register a strong protest and condemnation of the acquittal of all four accused in the Samjhauta terror attacks

I think Pakistan MoFOs are quite right. Pakistan should launch a Pre-Emptying Raid on a yindoo terrist Gobar Gas Plant, so named in honor of that Great Pakistani Herrow, Gobar Ayub Khan (pbuh, I believe?). Hope they do it while the Gos are grazing elsewhere.
Drop 4 Spies into a gobar tank.

ArjunPandit · Post by **ArjunPandit** » 21 Mar 2019 05:57

https://theprint.in/defence/image-shows ... ot/206532/
Possible accident in paki "nuclear storage"
Was this discussed? pardon me if yes, but the pages have moved faster than I could catch up

I find it very hard to be completely unrelated to happenings at Fort Abbas.
CT mode on
1. For all we know it might be some sort of excuse by pakis to say evil endians destroyed the bomb we had built for you master. Now it could very well explain why airspace is closed. PLeading, leading to withdrawal of nooks
2. India actually attacking and showing it means real business. world doing things in back ground for this coming out might set a new precedent with nuke neighbours and become the new normal. Let time reveal things like Roswel
3. Pakis might have started to take stuff out to like kargil but before they could do some djinn blighted them
CT Mode off

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 21 Mar 2019 06:00

Yes this triggered what really happened.
Leads to Brahmos.
Three of them.
See burn marks.

brvarsh · Post by **brvarsh** » 21 Mar 2019 06:24

ArjunPandit wrote:
Sanju wrote:
Good propaganda material, but they are from different branches of Niazi clan.
In a country where inbreeding is common how can you be one be not sure

In 1947 Pashtuns signed Bannu Resolution that asked British to give Pashtuns an independent state instead of being part of Pakistan. The Bannu resolution was led by a few prominent Pashtun clans and one of the bigger ones were Niazis. Imran Khan belongs to that section of Niazi Pashtuns who signed Bannu resolution.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 21 Mar 2019 06:35

All these "message" strikes using million-dollar weapons seem a bit melodramatic to me.
The air space closing is consistent with exit of nukes: that is what happened on 9/12/2001 too. This time they may have been worried about strikes from Iran, India, Russia, USA, Maldives, Seychelles...
The logical next step is that Houthis are going to get better weapons.

Then again, per UBCN Special Correspondent, airspace was closed to keep aircraft from sampling the air above certain facilities, and running Geiger Counters across them. Major explosions and fires at facilities storing tactical nukes. Took a week to put out but despite repeated attempts, they keep finding more radioactive particles. Can't afford to have confirmation leak out.
Imagine the Fallout (pun intended) if it comes out that Terroristan allowed tactical nukes to burn and released radioactive clouds.

Mihaylo · Post by **Mihaylo** » 21 Mar 2019 07:00

Rudradev wrote:Meanwhile in Dubai

https://www.news18.com/news/world/forme ... 69885.html

Former Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf Hospitalised After 'Reaction' From Rare Disease

The infectious microorganism, a gram-negative antibiotic-resistant strain of Fistularium jihadii, is practically unknown in the civilized world but commonly endemic to Madrassa toilets and Pakistan Army facilities

New Delhi: Former Pakistan president General Pervez Musharraf has reportedly been shifted to a hospital in Dubai after suffering a reaction from a rare disease.

According to a report in the Dawn newspaper, Musharraf’s party said the former military ruler was already undergoing treatment for the disease but was rushed to the hospital on Saturday after his condition worsened.

The statement was made by All Pakistan Muslim League (APML) Secretary-General Mehrene Adam Malik, the report said.

APML Overseas President Afzaal Siddiqui is also said to have told DawnNewsTV that Musharraf had suffered a reaction from amyloidosis, a rare condition for which the former president was receiving treatment.

Musharraf's illness had surfaced last October and at that time, as per reports, the General was treated in London.
Note: Dubai.

Far away from retribution. The JeM and their friendly orifice-rs at all levels of TSPA/ISI are BADLY jalaaoed by Balakot and looking for someone on whom to put the blame. Who better than Mushy? If he hadn't tightened the jihadi tap after 2004 (their story goes), the JeM could have pressed home the advantage and seized Kashmir at that time itself. Instead we were able to build fences, buy SPICE 2K etc. with disastrous results for the Kashmir jihad.

Amyloidosis eh. I think Kamandu is a goner sooner than later.

-M

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 21 Mar 2019 07:35

Needs to die at the end of a rope from a lamppost, or in a gutter.

mmasand · Post by **mmasand** » 21 Mar 2019 07:38

UlanBatori wrote:
Rudradev wrote:Meanwhile in Dubai
https://www.news18.com/news/world/forme ... 69885.html
Former Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf Hospitalised After 'Reaction' From Rare Disease
Foot-in-Mouth is not so rare, is it?
UBCN Analysis:
A few days back, Mush opened his mouth and said PA runs JEM, and they tried to ~~assassinate~~ pest-e-sha'eed him. It is one thing for Nawaz Sharif to admit that Northern Flight Infantry was "wiped out" (4000 dead), but quite another for a fomer CEO/ COAS to say this. Fatal, IMO.

Shared a box with him at the cricket only a few months ago, he was getting awfully cozy with Rajiv Shukla. Looked really sick, couldn't let go his cigars though.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 21 Mar 2019 09:35

Air Marshal Harish Masand writes for BR on this topic.

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/today ... shera.html

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 21 Mar 2019 10:03

Five IAF Spice 2000 bombs hit JeM camps in Balakot, govt satellite images show

https://theprint.in/defence/five-iaf-sp ... ow/207807/

Chinmayanand · Post by **Chinmayanand** » 21 Mar 2019 12:01

Baba uvacha , holi celebrations in Sunderbani with mortars , MMG & heavy artillery . One IA jawan martyred ..

https://twitter.com/bababanaras/status/ ... 89088?s=19

dinesha · Post by **dinesha** » 21 Mar 2019 12:23

Pakistan tries to flex muscles; Creates PAF’s ”Aggressor Squadron” along the border with India in the Mushaf area
https://www.financialexpress.com/defenc ... a/1522635/

Confirming this, highly placed sources said the PAF is now coming up with a new squadron of F-16 fighter aircraft along the border with India, in Mushaf Air Base. The new squadron number 29 has been named ‘Aggressor’. The ‘Squadron 29’ is expected to have a total of 8 F-16 fighter planes, which can be used against India in case in any emergency.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 21 Mar 2019 12:28

I just hope non state actor brahmos missiles do not find their way towards this new mush(ar)af.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 21 Mar 2019 12:29

AAre they getting new F-16's or taking F-16's from the existing squadrons and basing 8 more at Sargodha?

nachiket · Post by **nachiket** » 21 Mar 2019 12:33

Aditya_V wrote:AAre they getting new F-16's or taking F-16's from the existing squadrons and basing 8 more at Sargodha?

Existing only. This is more "dikhawa" than anything else.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 21 Mar 2019 12:38

dinesha wrote:Pakistan tries to flex muscles; Creates PAF’s ”Aggressor Squadron” along the border with India in the Mushaf area
https://www.financialexpress.com/defenc ... a/1522635/
Confirming this, highly placed sources said the PAF is now coming up with a new squadron of F-16 fighter aircraft along the border with India, in Mushaf Air Base. The new squadron number 29 has been named ‘Aggressor’. The ‘Squadron 29’ is expected to have a total of 8 F-16 fighter planes, which can be used against India in case in any emergency.

So a 8 squadron unit which is all the number of F-16s that Pakistan can afford to regularly deploy against India.

We should set up a new MiG-21 Bison unit of 8 Bisons called the "a$$ kickers" across the same region.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 21 Mar 2019 12:39

Funny thing this is also uncle usign Media Dalal's, effectively Pakis have 4 or 5 F-16 squadrons of 74 or 75 aircraft, 7 JF 17 Squadrons plus 1 JF 17B trainer squadron. around 3 or 4 squadron worth Mirage 3/5 and around 35 F-7 PG. Around 75 F-16, ~140 JF 17, ~50 Mirage 3/5 and 35 F-7 PG. Fighter strength wise it should be equal to 18 IAF squadrons worth of fighters, this 30 Fighter squadrons for PAF with 34 IAF is pure BS.

Quality wise IAF is way ahead as only those F-16's as of today are BVRcapable and F-16 + old MIrage V rose upgraded are PGM capable whereas except Jaguars and Mig 27, the entire IAF fleet is BVR capable and the entire IAF is PGM capable.

dinesha · Post by **dinesha** » 21 Mar 2019 12:40

Pakistan Amraams can be made ineffective: US assured Manohar Parrikar
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ne ... 506398.cms

Carter responded to this by assuring that the missiles will not be used against India and the US has a mechanism to make them ineffective if they are used during war. “If they use it for an offensive purpose, they can interfere with the mechanism and make them ineffective,” the officer, who was involved in the talks, told ET.

The second issue was the potential of misuse of F16s to deliver nuclear bombs against India. “An assurance was given that in case of a potential nuclear attack, the US can disable the aircraft. That, if they use nukes, they won’t be able to operate the F16s,” the officer said.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 21 Mar 2019 12:42

And no Pakistani has the brains to ask "if JF-17s are so good, why are you reducing the existing F-16 squadrons by 2-3 aircraft each to create this 8 unit new Squadron, why can't the JF-17s do the job" ?

habal · Post by **habal** » 21 Mar 2019 12:52

dinesha wrote:Pakistan Amraams can be made ineffective: US assured Manohar Parrikar
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ne ... 506398.cms
Carter responded to this by assuring that the missiles will not be used against India and the US has a mechanism to make them ineffective if they are used during war. “If they use it for an offensive purpose, they can interfere with the mechanism and make them ineffective,” the officer, who was involved in the talks, told ET.

The second issue was the potential of misuse of F16s to deliver nuclear bombs against India. “An assurance was given that in case of a potential nuclear attack, the US can disable the aircraft. That, if they use nukes, they won’t be able to operate the F16s,” the officer said.

Seems like if the f16 pilot takes as much as a loo break, pentagon is kept in loop via onboard sensors. This f16 seems like 80s version of our modern day android phone.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 21 Mar 2019 12:59

making a virtue out of necessity. the f16s are the only survivable asset in a shootout, so lacking in numbers are being spread around in penny packets.

dinesha · Post by **dinesha** » 21 Mar 2019 13:01

Army Inducts New Sniper Rifles To Respond To Ceasefire Violations By Pak
https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/indian- ... an-2010583

NEW DELHI: The Army has provided advanced sniper rifles to its troops posted along the Line of Control (LoC) in the Kashmir Valley and Jammu region to retaliate ceasefire violation by Pakistan. Top Army sources informed ANI that the new sniper rifles were recently provided to some of the units in the Kashmir valley and Jammu region on the LoC and they were used effectively against Pakistani positions, which have been attacking Indian posts and personnel.

The troops have been provided two new advanced sniper rifles including the Barrett M95 .50 BMG and Beretta Scorpio TGT ''Victrix'' .338 Lapua Magnum.

"About a week ago, in the Poonch sector along the LoC, the troops retaliated strongly against specific Pakistani positions which have been aiding and abetting infiltration activities and were also indulging in firing against our troops and posts," the sources told ANI.

"We have been able to cause significant damage to the Pakistan Army troops deployed and are trying to ascertain the extent of casualty caused to them," the source added.

Around 30 of the two sniper rifles have been procured by the Northern Army Commander through his special financial powers to augment the firepower of the troops on the LoC where Pakistanis had been sniping at Indian troops regularly.

"Through our retaliatory action using new sniper rifles, we have also sent a message across that they have to be extremely cautious even before thinking out sniping at our soldiers as we can also hit them hard from long distances," the source further said.

Before using sniper rifles, the Indian Army was using Dragunov rifles from Russia which had certain issues with ammunition.

The Army has also initiated a move to buy more than 6,500 sniper rifles for troops operating in the counter-insurgency operations under fast track procedures.

All infantry units have been given a specific number of sniper rifles but at the moment, most of them do not have sufficient numbers. In a short while, we are expecting to meet the demands.

yensoy · Post by **yensoy** » 21 Mar 2019 13:07

Singha wrote:making a virtue out of necessity. the f16s are the only survivable asset in a shootout, so lacking in numbers are being spread around in penny packets.

Sargodha already has F-16s. Look at the Google Earth image, you will see plenty of them, including on the active runways/taxiways. I don't see what this story is about, probably a red herring.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 21 Mar 2019 13:14

Yup it is there best Base, it has about 60-65 hardened shelters and 6 JF 17 's parked in the open.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 21 Mar 2019 13:34

american taxpayer money at work.

sooraj · Post by **sooraj** » 21 Mar 2019 14:38

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