Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 07 Mar 2019 11:37

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ind ... 295122.cms

Latest from Pakistan army: Jaish doesn’t exist in our countrysince the morning of 26 Feb 19

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 07 Mar 2019 11:53

esommuk wrote:
Singha wrote: villagers are all clear on one thing, they heard explosions.
so unless the ones that fell outside exploded and ones that holed the roof all did not explode....
Sir that could be even sonic boom. If I remember clearly from the circulating clips the villagers reported loud explosive noise not flashes of light or burning smell or fire. If the bombing was really sub-optimal and contained to a few square feet of space inside a room then it really brings back the question how do we quantify (and justify) losses in economic terms for the enemy after spending so much on delivering a small non-military payload. Is there any fiscal prudence in it.

I have not followed any of the discussions here, just responding to these two posts:

1) The Spice family is very accurate. As a result, two missiles/bombs could have used one hole (in the roof) to enter A building
2) Such bombs can count - they can be configured to explode on a particular floor (ref: Iraq)
3) India is one of a few nations that have thermobaric weapons. Such weapons suck the surrounding air/oxygen and occupants die of collapsed organs - mostly the lungs. They may or may not do damage to surrounding structures

Not saying this is what happened, but would not be surprised.

However, this is the most likely scenario ........... that matches what the IAF/GoI has been saying from day one - X number of terrorists killed, no collateral (or was it civilian?) damage.

There is a camp, but no campers.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 07 Mar 2019 12:16

anishns wrote:Firstpost has released an audio clip, purportedly of Azhar Mahmood claiming that he is alive and Mehfooz!

Hmm! now since all these goat shaggers carry video camera's around to film beheadings and what not!
Why not put up a video as proof of life....me thinks this is fake!

Maybe UBCN can comment!

Maybe he got so much spice that he is not able to show his face. Note that it's almost 10 days since the spicing took place.

manjgu · Post by **manjgu** » 07 Mar 2019 12:28

1) having crossed the rubicon on Feb 26/27...its time GOI plans to use IAF to bomb any PA post from where infiltration takes place. This is something which GOI must empower IAF with... we must keep air space over Pakistan closed forever and deter infiltration. Lahore, Karachi and Islamabad are their main civilian airports. 2) another thing which we have not been able to get a handle is the non stop supply of AK weapons for jihadis in kashmir.

Iyersan · Post by **Iyersan** » 07 Mar 2019 12:34

Blast at Jammu General Bus stand. Lets see what the chowkidar does

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 07 Mar 2019 12:41

An grenade explosion has taken place inside a bus at the bus station in Jammu. Around 8 people have been injured.

V_Raman · Post by **V_Raman** » 07 Mar 2019 12:52

Aditya_V wrote:https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ind ... 295122.cms

Latest from Pakistan army: Jaish doesn’t exist in our countrysince the morning of 26 Feb 19

Of course - their entire cadre got spiced at Balakot

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 07 Mar 2019 12:55

Iyersan wrote:Blast at Jammu General Bus stand. Lets see what the chowkidar does

Is there any doubt about what a terror attack will have as a response. ?

A low level attack will result in destruction of local assets. High level will result in destruction of assets in TSP.

Don't entertain any doubt in this regard.

Also be prepared for random acts of terror across the country. In the run-up to the election aided and abetted by local assets.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 07 Mar 2019 12:57

I think the chowkidar will just patch things up and move on in line with the pattern before Pulwama and after Balakot. Never say never BUT I would be surprised if it goes beyond that.

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 07 Mar 2019 13:28

Meanwhile - Grenade blast at a bus stand in Jammu, 18 injured

Prem Kumar · Post by **Prem Kumar** » 07 Mar 2019 13:55

Injury count is now 28!

This could very easily happen in a Thanjavur bus stand also.

Considering the population density of India, the sheer # of brainwashed Muslims, the presence of Pakistan & the wide porous borders, I am speechless at what Doval has achieved. 5 years and no terror attack in the rest of India.

mmasand · Post by **mmasand** » 07 Mar 2019 14:08

Prem Kumar wrote:Injury count is now 28!

This could very easily happen in a Thanjavur bus stand also.

Considering the population density of India, the sheer # of brainwashed Muslims, the presence of Pakistan & the wide porous borders, I am speechless at what Doval has achieved. 5 years and no terror attack in the rest of India.

This is not the first grenade thrown near the railway station this year, the bus stand/railway station are sitting targets for militants. Apart from a handful of poorly trained local cops, it's a minefield. For reference, Jammu city is approx 50kms from the IB.

manjgu · Post by **manjgu** » 07 Mar 2019 14:10

Bhai log .. radar picks 3 shIps already

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 07 Mar 2019 14:10

Mod note - Nonsense deleted user banned for a month

Barath · Post by **Barath** » 07 Mar 2019 14:18

NRao wrote:
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3) India is one of a few nations that have thermobaric weapons. Such weapons suck the surrounding air/oxygen and occupants die of collapsed organs - mostly the lungs. They may or may not do damage to surrounding structures

.

Mr Rao, given that thermobaric weapons have higher blast effect than regular explosive, would you not expect it to show greater signs/evidence of impact ?

Especially in a 1000 kg guided bomb ?

Also, these appeared as ordinary building , would thermobaric weapon really be best choice , given that they are not likely to be bunkers, tunnels, reinforced etc

prahaar · Post by **prahaar** » 07 Mar 2019 14:32

Should we not consider the possibility that the structure which was attacked was not a usual brick and mortar construction? A hardened reinforced place for the JEM faculty graduates and alumni could feel safe.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 07 Mar 2019 14:44

Why so many doubts about the balakot strike. The IAF says it was given a target. It killed it. End of story. Why have so many questions regarding what Nature of explosives. The type of munitions. The casualties. Etc.

Besides, the Pakistani establishment has from day one said no damages were inflicted upon the JeM. They cordoned off the area for 10 days. Can't the structure be repaired in 10 days is some damage was done to it.

Why this urge to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

I can understand the opposition to make such noise as they are stareing at general election loss if the goi comes out a winner.

But why are members on this forum so naive.

suryag · Post by **suryag** » 07 Mar 2019 14:49

Refrain folks !! Don’t get banned by bringing in politics here

suryag · Post by **suryag** » 07 Mar 2019 15:26

Folks bans are coming if you dont behave, i repeat no more politics in this thread

sajaym · Post by **sajaym** » 07 Mar 2019 16:24

Pratyush wrote:Why so many doubts about the balakot strike. The IAF says it was given a target. It killed it. End of story. Why have so many questions regarding what Nature of explosives. The type of munitions. The casualties. Etc.

+100.

Why don't people question when it is reported that the IA killed such and such, such number of terrorists in an encounter? ...Because we take it for granted. Same logic should be applied in this case as well. Our armed forces are Professionals, not Professional Chors like the Pakis.

The more details are released about this operation, that much more endangered is the next operation & operatives. Look at the details we have released so far:

1) Preferred time of attack.
2) Preferred aircraft in the strike package with the type of backup.
3) Type of weapons used.
4) The type of surveillance & logic used to select the target.
5) Type of diversionary tactic used.

JEEZ! Next time we might as well call Dimmy and tell him we're coming!

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 07 Mar 2019 16:36

Masood Azhar is fit and fine

https://sputniknews.com/asia/2019030710 ... h-reports/

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 07 Mar 2019 17:30

Austin wrote:Masood Azhar is fit and fine

https://sputniknews.com/asia/2019030710 ... h-reports/

It doesn't matter if he is alive. We have shown a direct inclination to take him down. He will die of ' kidney failure' sooner rather than later.

vinod · Post by **vinod** » 07 Mar 2019 18:30

Austin wrote:Masood Azhar is fit and fine

https://sputniknews.com/asia/2019030710 ... h-reports/

All the more reason to hit pakistan again!!!

Hunting Masood Azhar!

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 07 Mar 2019 18:38

‘Different times’: Pakistani intel used JeM terrorists for attacks in India, ex-president admits

https://www.rt.com/news/453213-pakistan ... musharraf/

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 07 Mar 2019 18:42

the grenade thrower of today in Jammu has been arrested one mr bhatt of kulgam , based on cctv and eye witness feedback.
hizbul operative.

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Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 07 Mar 2019 18:44

His organisation is the next target of the surgical affections from the Indian state.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 07 Mar 2019 18:47

who is the ceo? syed salahuddin ?

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 07 Mar 2019 18:48

Hari Nair · Post by **Hari Nair** » 07 Mar 2019 19:03

prahaar wrote:Should we not consider the possibility that the structure which was attacked was not a usual brick and mortar construction? A hardened reinforced place for the JEM faculty graduates and alumni could feel safe.

The camp did not appear to have reinforced structures.. instead it had CGI sheds and the like, as described in official reports.
Most probable location, of Jaba Top, in my opinion - (reported to be near Bisian and Jaba) :
Jaba Top
34°27'50.32"N
073°19'5.44"E
Check it out in Google Earth - the layout certainly appears to be unsual in its location, with its arrangement of shelters, etc

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 07 Mar 2019 19:15

the intel photos released of this "resort" had one solid looking building called the armoury, used to keep the training weapons.

here. caption said some 200 rifles and ammo were usually kept there.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 07 Mar 2019 19:20

in other news, the leader of harkut ul mujahideen, another old timer fazlur rehman khalil joined imran khans party today

khan · Post by **khan** » 07 Mar 2019 19:29

IAF just released a Jingo statement to keep the temperature warm: https://twitter.com/shivaroor/status/11 ... 30306?s=21

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 07 Mar 2019 19:41

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/explosi ... ng-2004103

mortar attack today on gathering of kabul's political elite including abdullah abdullah and hamid karzai.

anyone interested in stability will need to open their armouries to beef up and sustain the current govt against the inevitable talipaki push once DT declares "victory" and walks away before the 2020 GE.

Raveen · Post by **Raveen** » 07 Mar 2019 19:49

Barath wrote:
NRao wrote:
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3) India is one of a few nations that have thermobaric weapons. Such weapons suck the surrounding air/oxygen and occupants die of collapsed organs - mostly the lungs. They may or may not do damage to surrounding structures

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Mr Rao, given that thermobaric weapons have higher blast effect than regular explosive, would you not expect it to show greater signs/evidence of impact ?

Especially in a 1000 kg guided bomb ?

Also, these appeared as ordinary building , would thermobaric weapon really be best choice , given that they are not likely to be bunkers, tunnels, reinforced etc

A 1000lb bomb doesn't have a 1000lbs of explosives

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 07 Mar 2019 19:51

17 years have passed but place looks like a time warp. a few like mohd fahim, jalaluddin haqqani, burhanuddin rabbani have passed away or assassinated but most of the rest are there - atta mohd noor, abdul malik pehlwan, ishmael khan, gulbuddin hekmatyar, abdul rashid dostum....

every militia is arming themselves and preparing for whats next.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 07 Mar 2019 20:45

abhijitm wrote:question on precision bomb.

We used Israeli bombs, but don't we have DRDO made precision bomb? or is it still under trials?

The SPICE is in IAF inventory since 2015 and integrated on M2K and SU-30MKI if we search for that term on this forum.
The magazine/bunker at Balakot required the use of the penetrator version of SPICE 2K which is Israeli equivalent of BLU-109.
US would never sell that BLU-109 to India.

DRDO has quit a few PGM bombs.
Following are LGBs

450 Kg HSLD with Griffin
500 Kg PAB with Griffin
IAF has Paveway kits ofr 1000 MC bombs
And uses Litening pod to do range finding for dumb bombs

working on 1000 kg with 30 km and 100 km ranges.

The 30 km uses only the fore and aft fins. The 100 km uses mid body wings.
Guidance is like SPICE.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 07 Mar 2019 20:56

all the lashkars and tanzeems are under one unified commander now. the DG ISI is probably the C-in-C of this razakar army.
rebadging and renaming will be carried out if pressure mounts from UN and USA.

lashkar-e-bhuna gosht, jaish-e-galouti kabab, tehreek-e-tandoor ....

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ramana · Post by **ramana** » 07 Mar 2019 21:00

UlanBatori wrote:And India should put up Sopwith Camels to patrol the LOC. Excellent endurance. Put a BVR missile on each and PAF is kaput. Try out-turning a Camel in an F-16 or a Bandaar, and try matching the 50kmph terrain-hugging capability. They can be based right there at the edge of no-pakis-land.
Anyway as is well-demonstrated, one Missile WArning and the Pakis turn tail and flee on max A/B, conveniently illuminating the target for the Mach 4 IR AAMs. And they bail out anyway long b4 the missile hits.

Read too many Biggles growing up!!!

khan · Post by **khan** » 07 Mar 2019 21:15

Singha wrote:all the lashkars and tanzeems are under one unified commander now. the DG ISI is probably the C-in-C of this razakar army.
rebadging and renaming will be carried out if pressure mounts from UN and USA.

lashkar-e-bhuna gosht, jaish-e-galouti kabab, tehreek-e-tandoor ....

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This is might give the Bakis enough of a fig leaf so there is no escalation

John · Post by **John** » 07 Mar 2019 21:20

Most of pressure is due to leaks that they been planning attacks on western targets in India which lead to US and Europe putting pressure on Pakistan.