Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Suresh S » 05 Mar 2019 07:35

An attempt on the life of the prime minister is certain. But the best wishes of all of India is with him. I strongly believe god himself is with India and "Jake rakhe saiyan mar sake na koi bal na banka kar sake jo jug berry hoi".

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Kashi » 05 Mar 2019 07:40

ritesh wrote:One thing i dont understand is why give an opportunity to pak and pak pasand opposition to deny. I public retribution was require after uri to unequivocally confirm the pain. But again a remote location was chosen.

Why dont the GoI just play cat and mouse game by releasing the pre strike photos from non military sources and throw the challenge to anybody incld pakis to come up with latest imagery. At least ppl would get busy instead of mouthing off turd logic.


As it has been pointed out, those asking for proof are not doing so because they need convincing. They have already made up their minds that will oppose, discredit and malign everything that GoI does, especially in the name of national security.

Post-Uri, it was first about lack of proof, then it was about politicking and even after the proofs were released a year later, you still had folks going farzical strikes and what not.

As it was pointed out above, it's like Richard Dawkins trying to explain evolution to the creationists.

Plus, we also need to be mindful of revealing our capabilities and how it would impact future ops.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby sudeepj » 05 Mar 2019 07:43

The only thing that is expected of any media or public person when our armed forces go to war is to stand solidly behind them. India is fighting a war that was thrust down our throat. If they are not with us, then they are against us, and they should be treated like that.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Karan M » 05 Mar 2019 07:51

ritesh wrote:One thing i dont understand is why give an opportunity to pak and pak pasand opposition to deny. I public retribution was require after uri to unequivocally confirm the pain. But again a remote location was chosen.


To avoid Pakistani propaganda about civilian casualties.

Why dont the GoI just play cat and mouse game by releasing the pre strike photos from non military sources and throw the challenge to anybody incld pakis to come up with latest imagery. At least ppl would get busy instead of mouthing off turd logic.


What is the point? The Pakistanis would have already fixed the damage and will pretend all is well.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby manjgu » 05 Mar 2019 07:53

looks time for ground AWACS to retire? nothing to report... totally quiet.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby anupamd » 05 Mar 2019 07:56

ritesh wrote:One thing i dont understand is why give an opportunity to pak and pak pasand opposition to deny. .


There is a saying "Every time a stupid man says something stupid, you don’t have to reply to him, because it is nonsense to shoo every barking dog away!". Believe in your armed forces and check Karan's post above. He has so eloquently collated the supporting details.

Mods may delete my post if the quote seems offensive (to the dogs!)

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Khalsa » 05 Mar 2019 07:57

Singha wrote:Whatever it is , even the pylon seems to have ripped off

Huh
Sorry Singha sir
What is this about

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Singha » 05 Mar 2019 08:00

An unindentified league of shadows lurker named ras al ghul has sent this message about the mysterious
Debris in bhimber

The unidentified pics posted at above BR thread are of Denel Defense Raptor
long range, precision guided weapon. Btw, if you google image search for
"JF-17 Weapons", select image for "JF-17 Weapons Load", visit the site of
the pic (Pakistan Defence) and scroll down to post made on Jan 30, 2014,
all will be revealed.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby yensoy » 05 Mar 2019 08:02

saip wrote:
Rahul M wrote:Just check flight path of THA 341 from Bangkok to krachi. It crossed India and then did a u-turn south of Iran pak border !! Flew almost the entire length of balochistan before turning back ! Holy smokes, pakis must be shit scared of IN OR IAF coming at karachi from off the coast of Gujarat.


Look at TH342 (from KHI to Bangkok). They are forcing them to fly west some 200 miles and then make a u-turn and then fly over India.
This is C-R-A-Z-Y.


No handoff happening from Paki to Indian airspace (ATC regions). So they have to go back to Oman airspace and then to India.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Karan M » 05 Mar 2019 08:08

UB, if the MiG-21 loss was due to debris and engine flameout etc, then it is an even bigger slap on the face for the PAF and their much vaunted AMRAAMs.

UlanBatori wrote:
Karan M wrote:Guys , please check what CAS says here. This anyday matters more than what some donkey in NYT or anywhere says (or rather doesn't say).



Karanji, the up-and-down 7000 feet / 8000 feet to 26K and back (Paki tried to shake off MiG, failed..) corroborates something posted b4 (which unfortunately ended with a political rant so it lost credibility IMO).

Note what the COAS does NOT state: Why did the MiG crash? He could have said: "Was hit by an American AMRAAM / AIM fired by Paki F-16" but he did not say that.

So I still maintain that it was a debris hit. I don't think ground AA fire hits anything at 26K feet. And there were no SAM trails. Even Pakis don't fire AA when there is a close-in dogfight in progress: it is worse than lynching their own downed pilots on the ground.
Let Pakis claim credible "kill" from their F-16 if they can.... :mrgreen:

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby fanne » 05 Mar 2019 08:10

Btw people claiming Mig 21 bis are old, life wise, some of our Mig 21bis are younger than Mirage 2000 (yes we were making it after we got our Mirages). Design wise yes 1960 vintage, but then based on real usage/war time lesson learned and after multiple upgrades, the bisons are the most sophisticated model of Mig 21. In fact, now that mostly they are left, you hear less of Mig 21 crashes, because multiple learnings have gone into making it perfect - Over two dozen AF have flown it, millions of flight and corrections, perhaps largest built post WW2 planes.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Karan M » 05 Mar 2019 08:13

Please congratulate Ras al Ghul, he has got it 100% correct. So how did it end up at Bhimber? Jettisoned as a fatass JF-17 tried to scamper away??

Singha wrote:An unindentified league of shadows lurker named ras al ghul has sent this message about the mysterious
Debris in bhimber

The unidentified pics posted at above BR thread are of Denel Defense Raptor
long range, precision guided weapon. Btw, if you google image search for
"JF-17 Weapons", select image for "JF-17 Weapons Load", visit the site of
the pic (Pakistan Defence) and scroll down to post made on Jan 30, 2014,
all will be revealed.


Image

http://www.deneldynamics.co.za/products ... /raptor-ii

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby UlanBatori » 05 Mar 2019 08:15

What I have not understood is
1) why both sides don't first attack the AWACS with a host of BVR mijjiles of different types.
2) Also, it appears that Pak F-16 tried the standard maneuver of climbing towards the sun and then diving, to throw off a heat-seeking mijile that would lock on to the Sun. I guess when the Indian pilot looked at the Paki, the helmet.
3) Did the Pakis jump out b4 or after mijjile hit? My bet is b4.

Of course, Karanji, the debris is the correct explanation. There was no Paki in a position to guide an AMRAAM towards the Indian plane ignoring the F-16 in the way. It is very doubtful whether the 2-seater F-16 fired any missile, he was too busy trying evasive maneuvers, and was never in a position to see the MiG in front of him (not clear if that is necessary for a missile lock - can you just pick an arbitrary spot on ur radar screen and say "Kill that"???
So debris hit it is.

If they Pakis can debunk that. Then we can take that proof to the Americans and ask why the F-16 was allowed to fire that, while the Indian MiG was still over Indian territory.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby UlanBatori » 05 Mar 2019 08:16

Karan, need to end the Bhimber thing. The pic shown was taken in summer, so anyone claiming to have found it last week is lying. As simple as that.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Karan M » 05 Mar 2019 08:19

Looks like what we have at Bhimber is the booster and an unused one at that. Ergo, the Raptor flopped.

Now the Pakdef thread does not point out that the Raptor has been integrated on the JF-17. Nor does Denel.
http://www.deneldynamics.co.za/products ... /raptor-ii
Raptor has been integrated on the Mirage III/V, Mirage F1, Cheetah and SU-24. The system can also be integrated with other suitable aircraft, e.g.MiG-29, SU-27/30, Mirage 2000, and Tornado.

Net, this means Mirages were likely part of the strike package against India which Abhi and his peers, smacked down.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Karan M » 05 Mar 2019 08:21

UlanBatori wrote:Karan, need to end the Bhimber thing. The pic shown was taken in summer, so anyone claiming to have found it last week is lying. As simple as that.


If we see the pic of the surroundings after Wing Co Abhi lands, it shows that the weather is pretty similar to what we see around the place where this pic was taken. No ice, no extra cold weather clothing etc. Seems to match up.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby UlanBatori » 05 Mar 2019 08:27

Karan M wrote:
UlanBatori wrote:Karan, need to end the Bhimber thing. The pic shown was taken in summer, so anyone claiming to have found it last week is lying. As simple as that.


If we see the pic of the surroundings after Wing Co Abhi lands, it shows that the weather is pretty similar to what we see around the place where this pic was taken. No ice, no extra cold weather clothing etc. Seems to match up.

It's not ice or clothing: its the vegetation. The vegetation in the "Bhimber" photos is very clearly summer vegetables. Kashmir grass is brown right now. There is no doubt about the "Bhimber" being bogus.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Karan M » 05 Mar 2019 08:32

UlanBatori wrote:What I have not understood is
1) why both sides don't first attack the AWACS with a host of BVR mijjiles of different types.


Apparently, there is/was a policy in place that both sides would not engage unless the LOC was crossed, even though the std. line was 10km from the border. Since we didn't want to escalate the situation, looks like we didn't volley away BVR missiles. The other side of course, being cretins who care two figs about international law etc didn't care. And now it seems our gloves are off as well.

2) Also, it appears that Pak F-16 tried the standard maneuver of climbing towards the sun and then diving, to throw off a heat-seeking mijile that would lock on to the Sun. I guess when the Indian pilot looked at the Paki, the helmet.


That or he wanted height to prevent the MiG-21 from getting a good shot at him, and he wanted to make a fight of it.

3) Did the Pakis jump out b4 or after mijjile hit? My bet is b4.

Of course, Karanji, the debris is the correct explanation. There was no Paki in a position to guide an AMRAAM towards the Indian plane ignoring the F-16 in the way. It is very doubtful whether the 2-seater F-16 fired any missile, he was too busy trying evasive maneuvers, and was never in a position to see the MiG in front of him (not clear if that is necessary for a missile lock - can you just pick an arbitrary spot on ur radar screen and say "Kill that"???
So debris hit it is.


Exactly UB saar, if a MiG-21 is right up a F-16s tailpipe so to speak, or even if he is at some distance, how will the F-16 wingman of the other F-16 pilot know for sure the AMRAAM won't just join its Indo-Russian friend, and decide to take down a terrorist AF aircraft?

Now before somebody points to this (https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/ar ... ce/307291/)
Rodriguez looked back over his shoulder, following the smoke trail of Underhill’s missile, and then, looking out ahead of it, caught his first and only glimpse of the MiG. This is the precise instant captured from the Iraqi pilot’s perspective in the photo on Rodriguez’s wall. It turns out that the picture does not preserve a moment of personal triumph for him, as I had originally supposed, but one of intense fear and vulnerability. Rodriguez’s little F‑15 in the distance was not predator but prey, trapped and awaiting a kill shot that would never come, because in the next instant the MiG became a huge fireball in the sky. The whole encounter lasted a little more than 10 seconds.


Note, this was an AIM-7 shot, guided by a fighter which guides the missile in. The fighters radar has IFF and locks onto the aircraft which is designated as "hostile". The seeker is semi-active, chasing the fighter radar signals.

In the AMRAAMs case, it is fired with an active seeker, which decides whom to go after. It just goes to the location and turns on. That seeker does not have IFF. With the tiny seeker, kill-crazed and growling away, unless there is a huge separation between the MiG-21 Bison & the F-16, how is the other F-16 pilot to be sure that the AMRAAM seeker won't just send his fellow F-16 to shahadat?

If they Pakis can debunk that. Then we can take that proof to the Americans and ask why the F-16 was allowed to fire that, while the Indian MiG was still over Indian territory.


Chunkian earth e shaster Hindus shot down a F-16, had the pilot returned to India, and on top of it will use the evidence of failed AMRAAM shots to prevent Pakistan from using its F-16s and have its AMRAAMs locked down.

All around win for Pakistan. They won a size 12 boot on their backside. The boot says "Made in Chennai, by Abhinandan Industries".

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Singha » 05 Mar 2019 08:39

Imo they tried to do a == by launching denel standoff missiles from their side of border, one of which may have misfired and fell down

Where did the rest aim for nobody has revealed.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby UlanBatori » 05 Mar 2019 08:43

And the other thing is that except for the bruise/cut above the left eye, WingCdr Abhi seems in remarkable shape for someone whose plane got hit by something, had to punch out (a spine-crunching experience) and then hit the ground at some 20 mph. Before getting accosted by Paki fans seeking his autograph, and jumping into a lake (say the Pakis) to chew up whatever papers. (What papers? Do they take any Classified Orders and Codes on missions?). I don't think his plane even got buffeted by a missile blast: it had to be some sort of debris ingestion into the engine (VERY lucky it didn't come through the windshield) or on the wing. Relatively benign case of engine or wing kaput, with no big fire etc. So much for missile theory: see above re: fireball.

BTW, on the video where we see parachutes opening, it DID look like there was a big ball of smoke or vapor at one point - but no flash or fireball visible, just white smoke expanding. This is why Pakis were able to get out and did not reach Houristan immediately.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Karan M » 05 Mar 2019 08:46

Singha

For a dynamic strike:

The Raptor II system flies autonomously to the target and is then designated on the intended point of impact by the operator.

If the operators aircraft is sniffing a brace of Micas or R73Es up its backside, then the Raptor will fail as the aircraft scampers for cover. Unlike the SPICE, this is not true fire & forget with seeker scene correlation.

Or use it as an area weapon (GNSS/INS aided navigation) which has its own issues if the coordinates are off, or the missile hits within "stated distance" but still misses. A miss is as good as a mile etc.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Karan M » 05 Mar 2019 08:49

UlanBatori wrote:chew up whatever papers. (What papers? Do they take any Classified Orders and Codes on missions?).


I believe the older MiG pilots all carry some mission related stuff on their thigh pads, R/T codes, maps etc.

I don't think his plane even got buffeted by a missile blast: it had to be some sort of debris ingestion into the engine (VERY lucky it didn't come through the windshield) or on the wing. Relatively benign case of engine or wing kaput, with no big fire etc. So much for missile theory: see above re: fireball.


Very valid point. No in-the-air fireball.

BTW, on the video where we see parachutes opening, it DID look like there was a big ball of smoke or vapor at one point - but no flash or fireball visible, just white smoke expanding. This is why Pakis were able to get out and did not reach Houristan immediately.


So engine kill?

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Singha » 05 Mar 2019 09:04

Diff in vegetation colour could be mig fell in dry uplands while this pic in a well watered valley

Our southern group maybe the pair of m2k fired bvr aam on them while still across loc ib whether in or out of the 10km

Alerted by their awacs they dumped and ran away from the micas who could not catch them in tail chase mode where effectively 15-20km range vs receding supersonic target

So mission kill with a bvr salvo

Between those 12 a c incl escorts they must have packed quite a few denel weapons

We might have fired bvr after they fired amraam

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby UlanBatori » 05 Mar 2019 09:07

So u c, Karanji and Singhaji, UBCN thesis is complete on the air jhapad.
1) There is **NO** evidence that any Pakistan missile exploded. All duds. One sailed 80 kms and crash-landed, there was no fire. Sheet metal was recovered, no scorch, labels intact.

2) Indian MiG did not get hit by missile. There was some debris ingestion that killed the engine or caused loss of control on wings, pilot bailed out and has returned safely. Slight cut above eye as a result of jumping into lake and hitting something, very minor. Mobbed by autograph seekers - or maybe they were trying to sell him fruits and carpets.

3) Paki plane exploded due to R73 milline up its tailpipe. CLEARLY PAKI PILOTS WERE NOT IN PLANE THEN!!! They had jumped out when they heard the Missile Waning buzzer. I think this is clear from that original video: I think even the chutes open before the aircraft disappears in a puff of white smoke. Maybe the climb to 26000 feet was to have a nice ejection.
4) Same friendly villagers, when they saw PAF badges, beat the Oppressors to death and stole their stuff.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby khan » 05 Mar 2019 09:08

manjgu wrote:looks time for ground AWACS to retire? nothing to report... totally quiet.

This is very sad news. I hope this changes.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Bishwa » 05 Mar 2019 09:09

https://indianexpress.com/article/india ... e-5611162/

Indian express has this account of someone who was in Balakot training center

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby UlanBatori » 05 Mar 2019 09:10

Elsewhere, Khanji. Can't stay more.

BTW, Ulan Bator calling Ramana. Pls check email. Obviously can't post Classified stuff here... but someone needs to check Paki roster.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby UlanBatori » 05 Mar 2019 09:24

Bishwa wrote:https://indianexpress.com/article/india/heard-huge-explosion-soldiers-evacuated-us-jaish-madrasa-student-in-balakot-told-relative-5611162/
Indian express has this totally false account of someone who was in Balakot training center

Dear Bishwaji, the mofos at Indian express need to be taken to the nearest lamppost. They KNOW that the bombs penetrated the madarssa buildings, yet they persist in the Paki account of "noise nearby".

The immediate report from there was that by next morning 10 Ambulances were there: How does that one simple fact gell with the story that you have posted? To take the dear students away? What's wrong with a cattle truck?

(rest deleted per reading Singhaji's point: Madarssas that were evacuated may be the ones still left standing. True, the place is one big terrorist-city.
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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Singha » 05 Mar 2019 09:26

There are multiple madrasas in that area . This one could be down below near the river

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby UlanBatori » 05 Mar 2019 09:29

^^ Yes, but IE phrases it as "first first-person report from the target" or clearly implies/ misdirects reader to that conclusion. Hang them all.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby jamwal » 05 Mar 2019 09:48

Mongolian goat herder is wrong in his assumption about weather, vegetation etc. UBCN needs some expert in geography, weather, vegetation etc. for accurate reporting.

It could very well be the drone which was fired as part of paki attack package.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Thakur_B » 05 Mar 2019 09:51

jamwal wrote:Mongolian goat herder is wrong in his assumption about weather, vegetation etc. UBCN needs some expert in geography, weather, vegetation etc. for accurate reporting.

It could very well be the drone which was fired as part of paki attack package.


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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby abhijitm » 05 Mar 2019 09:55

Bishwa wrote:https://indianexpress.com/article/india/heard-huge-explosion-soldiers-evacuated-us-jaish-madrasa-student-in-balakot-told-relative-5611162/

Indian express has this account of someone who was in Balakot training center

these IE are commis and army baiters. remember how they went about indian army coup? I treat them even lower than of rndtv. be careful of their mind games. best is to avoid them like plague rat.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby ranneel » 05 Mar 2019 10:22

Karan M wrote:
UlanBatori wrote:Karan, need to end the Bhimber thing. The pic shown was taken in summer, so anyone claiming to have found it last week is lying. As simple as that.


If we see the pic of the surroundings after Wing Co Abhi lands, it shows that the weather is pretty similar to what we see around the place where this pic was taken. No ice, no extra cold weather clothing etc. Seems to match up.

On the typical weather there, have a look at the pic from the same facebook account of the guy which shows the vegetations apart from some donkeys.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid ... =3&theater
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid ... =3&theater

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Aditya_V » 05 Mar 2019 10:23

Coming to the drone shot down near Naliya Airbase Gujarat on the morning 27 Feb 2019.

Looking at the facts

1)Fact: The Drone penetrated to Nundhatad village in Abdasa Taluk in Kutch- My 2 paise opinion: this is the rear area of Naliya Airbase about 20Km from the base and far away from the IB. Which means it was pretty stealthy, terrain hugging and probably had some detailed programmed guidance.

2) Fact:It was shot down by the Derby missile from Spyder SAM Battery - My 2 paise opinion: Spyder/ Akash systems generally run on autonomous mode without any manual involvement. Which means the IAF / Spyder controllers would have realized that something was up only once the Spyder system started taking action, so IAF aircraft scramble,identifying the target and shooting it down with AAM did not take place.

3) Fact: Upon missile impact the drone blew up to debris as shown in the photographs - My 2 Paise opinion - This means that the material used in the drone wasnt some normal metallic fuselage which like when the IAF drone was brought by the Pakis using AIm 9L's near Lahore in 2002. Given the area it was in it was not cheap plasticy drone, so probably made of very expensive non metallic lightweight materials and probably very costly with Autonomous guidance, probably very stealthy with even the Rotors made of non radar radiating material. Should cost atleast 80% of the cost of Israeli Heron drone.

The PAF could not have sent a drone for fun, it was either on Diversion for the air raid at 10:00AM, signit intelligence or was carrying a payload to attack something at the airbase, what was its mission I wonder?

Compare this with Yesterday 4 March drone shoot down, identified near IB taken out by Su-30 possibly with a cheaper R-27 missile. I am willing to bet that yesterday's drone was a far cheaper drone for the Pakistanis than the one they lost on 27 Feb in Gujarat.
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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby disha » 05 Mar 2019 10:24

UlanBatori wrote:2) Indian MiG did not get hit by missile. There was some debris ingestion that killed the engine or caused loss of control on wings, pilot bailed out and has returned safely. Slight cut above eye as a result of jumping into lake and hitting something, very minor. Mobbed by autograph seekers - or maybe they were trying to sell him fruits and carpets.


I am with you on all aspects other than "debris ingestion". I think it was a smoke ingestion from the burning F-16. That is why the debris did not make it through the canopy of Mig-21, since there was no debris. Only dense smoke. This also gave WingCo Abhinandan time to bail out.

3) Paki plane exploded due to R73 milline up its tailpipe. CLEARLY PAKI PILOTS WERE NOT IN PLANE THEN!!! They had jumped out when they heard the Missile Waning buzzer. I think this is clear from that original video: I think even the chutes open before the aircraft disappears in a puff of white smoke. Maybe the climb to 26000 feet was to have a nice ejection.


If they wait for the missile to come up their tailpipe, they will not be able to eject. They *had* to eject first and get clear out of the exploding F-16. And here too, one of both might have been severely injured because of shrapnel from exploding F-16.

4) Same friendly villagers, when they saw PAF badges, beat the Oppressors to death and stole their stuff.


I pointed out that much in one of the posts, the villagers might have been angry because the F-16 would have punched out its munitions (and or packages) to escape from the incoming R-73 and those munitions would have landed on the villages.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby manjgu » 05 Mar 2019 10:27

i think all this speculation will end soon once we hear from Abhi ?

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby Aditya_V » 05 Mar 2019 10:51

Meanwhile, since Raptor 2 by Denel has been used by PAF, its pretty certain they came for big target which was foiled by the IAF, thats a pretty expensive and the PAF probably does not have many of those, which again hints that the casualties were massive on 26 Feb that there was huge pressure on PAF to retaliate. The PAF came with an idea of escalation, the only thing is once ABhinandan and MIg 21 Bison debris in Pakistan wer captured, the public H&D gain for Pakis and mythical image of PAF was boosted enough that they probably have temporarily given up direct action after the loss of a F-16.

But the PA must be smarting, they have been hit hard on 26 Feb 2019 that much is clear

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby ks_sachin » 05 Mar 2019 11:00

manjgu wrote:i think all this speculation will end soon once we hear from Abhi ?

Why should we hear from gain ji?
The Chief has spoken.

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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Postby manjgu » 05 Mar 2019 11:01

arey bhai about how he shot the F 16.. what else... and why he had to bail out...


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