Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Shivaji · Post by **Shivaji** » 20 Mar 2019 00:13

partha wrote:
Chinmayanand wrote:Baba uvacha again . 50 pakistani troopers halaq including 3 senior officers in Indian firing.
isn't 50 a huge number? We are not talking plain clothes jihadis but uniformed ones. How is it possible for PA to completely hide this from public? PA can cut access to internet near border areas but they can't do it in 50 different villages/towns. Even if PA doesn't hand over bodies to families but just informs 50 families that their son attained jannat fighting Hindu kufrs, neighbors would come to know about it then the entire village and then it spreads and gets leaked on the internet or RAA agents can get hold of such info.

I did some random Urdu keyword search on Twitter. Actually, there are posts by relatives / neighbours. But since these people are not networked, they do not reach us.

Few I could get on Twitter are below. Facebook would have even more.
https://twitter.com/SaadTariqb/status/1 ... 3474695168
https://twitter.com/RashkEHina10/status ... 1275248641
https://twitter.com/Waqasmustfai/status ... 2653744129
https://twitter.com/YesNayaPakistan/sta ... 3619259392
https://twitter.com/ShakeelLaghari8/sta ... 9091033089
https://twitter.com/sadafnawaid/status/ ... 7115556864
https://twitter.com/ImranRiazKhan/statu ... 4881520641
https://twitter.com/Aaatiiii/status/1101849508021981184
https://twitter.com/ButtJanu1/status/11 ... 5354726400
https://twitter.com/pakhtoonist/status/ ... 9163183105
https://twitter.com/aqeel603/status/1101853848103256064

Few links might be error as Urdu is not my forte, but just to let you get the idea.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 20 Mar 2019 00:15

Saad Tariq: DOUBLE MBA ???

Jayram · Post by **Jayram** » 20 Mar 2019 00:16

The other reason for Pakis to be so mentally disturbed is there no conversations going on between Modiji and thier side. Total silence from our side until they handover the most wanted list. Since they can not do that that means there is no guarantee there will no action from our side at a time and place of our choosing. Hence the shut down of airspace. Pakis are in a deep pickle. Keep them guessing. Wow what a turnaround for us.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 20 Mar 2019 00:19

urgent: download&stranslate

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 20 Mar 2019 00:23

foreboding silence is always more terrifying than fiery speeches.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 20 Mar 2019 00:25

sudhan wrote:Another info release to a known NaMo hating website

Five IAF Spice 2000 bombs hit JeM camps in Balakot, govt satellite images show

And two of the three intended targets, including the main training centre of the JeM, were conclusively hit, high-resolution images procured by India from its own satellites as well as those of friendly nations show.

Contrary to reports that bad weather conditions on the day of the strike prevented clear pictures, top defence sources said that India has managed to get multiple high-resolution pictures of the structures, including those of repairs being carried out on the roof of one after the attack.

Satellite images in possession of the government, and seen by ThePrint, clearly show that the Israeli Spice 2000 bombs, each of them weighing 900 kg with 95 kg of explosives, did drop on at least two targets.

The images show small black holes in the roof of two of the targeted buildings that appear to be the entry points of the bombs, which are meant to take out heavily-fortified and underground command and control centres.

The IAF went in for the Spice 2000 missiles with the intent of causing maximum damage to residents of the three structures. Six bombs were meant to be fired from the Mirage 2000 fighters, but because of a technical issue, only five could be.

According to the source, questions about the damage inflicted by the bombs betrayed a lack of understanding about their functioning.

“Everybody is looking at the commercially-available satellite images and arguing that the structures are standing, without understanding how these precision bombs actually work,” the source added.

Lots of useful info in this.
First is SPICE 2K version is used to target heavily fortified and underground command and control centers. And the one at Balakot got three SPICE 2K.
We should comapre to BLU-109 that was used widely in Iraq during Desert Storm and other wars.
We read from wiki BLU-109 weighs 907 kg and has 240 kg of explosives.
From above SPICE 2K BB version weighs 907 kg and 95 kg explosives.
Newton wrote the depth of penetration is proportional to the densities of the medium and the projectile.
So compared to BLU-109, SPICE 2K BB has (907-95)/(907-240)= 1.22 times the penetration capability in similar strength concrete.

So let the lurkers chew on that.

Also this confirms what I have been saying that Balakot has fortress type structures requiring the use of SPICE 2K type ordnance.

Snehashis · Post by **Snehashis** » 20 Mar 2019 00:58

UlanBatori wrote:urgent: download&stranslate

Via Google

Imran Khan is waiting for peace despite your efforts
LoC Kotley Sector
Intriguing
Use of weapons
It is very sad that our brothers are martyred and some innocent people seem to have been lying ungrateful.
Allah Almighty is the progeny of the army and Pakistan

mmasand · Post by **mmasand** » 20 Mar 2019 01:05

UlanBatori wrote:urgent: download&stranslate

My Urdu is very rusty, but it goes along the lines of "Despite IK's peace efforts, there is destruction. Refers to 'shaheed' in Kotli sector near LoC."

Lot of general rant about innocent civilians, sympathy etc.
Then goes onto say we have pride on each and every TSP uniformed Abdul and TSP.

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 20 Mar 2019 04:20

It's really sad that the Pak Army doesn't acknowledge its dead. A bunch of these guys were just doing their job, unfortunately for the wrong side. The terrorist commanders and instigators high-tailed it out when the situation started heating up.

The IA just needs to keep on pounding to make the cost too high for TSP.

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 20 Mar 2019 04:32

Meanwhile back at the zoo...

https://www.urdupoint.com/en/pakistan/j ... 74207.html

Mullah Diesel calls for Slumbad Bandh

JUI-F Chief Fazlur Rahman Announces Islamabad Lockdown

LAHORE- (UrduPoint / Pakistan Point News-19th March, 2019) JUI-F chief Maulana Fazlur Rahman has announced Islamabad lockdown after a meeting of party’s central executive council on Tuesday.

He, however, has failed to give any date for the protest and said the decision will be announced after consultation with the Jamaat-e-Islami.

The JUI-F chief criticized the PTI government for what he called Imran Khan’s pro-Jewish and anti-Islam policies. He said the government failed to provide any relief to the common man.

He said the country’s economy had collapsed, inflation went out of control and people were worried about the future. He criticized the government for conducting crackdown against religious seminaries. He said the operation against Madaris was not acceptable to his party and it would be resisted. Maulana Fazl said the religious seminaries were the protectors of ideological boundaries of the country.

Why relevant here? It's a powerful sign that the Aam Abduls are feeling the pain of the rapid economic free-fall Pureland has endured since Balakot. Mullah Diesel wouldn't be calling for people to come out on the streets in protest unless he believes he can mobilize massive support.

Could also be the 1st step to providing political cover for a Koo against Dimran (who else would be the fall guy for this be-izzatti we are visiting on TSPA/ISI/JeM?)

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 20 Mar 2019 04:38

Look at some of the pics. I think from the sadafnawaidpaki twit. I think u can see some holes in the roof, from the more ventilated status of the walls beneath. No great description so it could be from anywhere, but it does look like something came through roof and did some very nasty things below: I see no way that anything survived inside while that was underway.
So I feel that the Reuters photo purportedly from below, looking up at undamaged side of one bldg, may be the ONLY undamaged side they can show.

The other thing is that EIGHT MINUTES (total on-target duration per several reports) is a loooooong time for an air attack by transonic jets that are not eager to hang around. Multiple a/c on same target would all hit inside a minute max. Hanging around longer is very unwise.
So a lot of distance was covered in between strikes. On several targets.

disha · Post by **disha** » 20 Mar 2019 04:48

mmasand wrote:
UlanBatori wrote:urgent: download&stranslate
My Urdu is very rusty, but it goes along the lines of "Despite IK's peace efforts, there is destruction. Refers to 'shaheed' in Kotli sector near LoC."

Lot of general rant about innocent civilians, sympathy etc.
Then goes onto say we have pride on each and every TSP uniformed Abdul and TSP.

Using google translate:

Imran Khan is waiting for peace despite your efforts
LoC Kotley Sector
Intriguing
Use of weapons
It is very sad that our brothers are martyred and some innocent people seem to have been lying ungrateful.
O Allah, the Holy One is the progeny of the army and Pakistan.

disha · Post by **disha** » 20 Mar 2019 05:03

ramana wrote: Lots of useful info in this.
First is SPICE 2K version is used to target heavily fortified and underground command and control centers. And the one at Balakot got three SPICE 2K.
We should comapre to BLU-109 that was used widely in Iraq during Desert Storm and other wars.
We read from wiki BLU-109 weighs 907 kg and has 240 kg of explosives.
From above SPICE 2K BB version weighs 907 kg and 95 kg explosives.
Newton wrote the depth of penetration is proportional to the densities of the medium and the projectile.
So compared to BLU-109, SPICE 2K BB has (907-95)/(907-240)= 1.22 times the penetration capability in similar strength concrete.

So let the lurkers chew on that.

Since some lurkers are mathematically challenged, the above translates to penetrating through some 5-7 feet of heavy reinforced concrete. The buildings were toasted from inside.

However I am disappointed on this thread. Several posters were in effect gas lighting GOI assertions, instead we should have looked at the Marine traffic near Karachi.

https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/de ... rt:KARACHI

Just like the air traffic over bakistani airspace, the marine port was effectively shutdown in the days following balakot strike.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 20 Mar 2019 05:54

Karthik S wrote:
ramana wrote:- 4-5 AMRAAMs were rendered useless. ELTA pod and ECM on Su-30 MKIs. One was believed shot down. Debris still being evaluated.
Which one was believed to be shot down?

Wiki:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R-77

Gennadiy Sokolovski, general designer of the Vympel Design Bureau, said that the R-77 missile can be used against medium and long range air-to-air missiles such as the AIM-120 AMRAAM and AIM-54 Phoenix, as well as SAMs such as the Patriot. The munition has a laser-triggered proximity fuze and an expanding rod warhead that can destroy variable sized targets. It can be used against cruise missiles and precision-guided munitions (PGMs).

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 20 Mar 2019 06:28

My thoughts on what was Balakot all about...

viewtopic.php?p=2335439#p2335439

manjgu · Post by **manjgu** » 20 Mar 2019 07:45

1) yesterday had fighters screeching over our house in the evening..which subsided by 9 pm... and then there was rain. 2) a plane with a dull whine keeps on flying all the time. is it a drone? 3) the traffic pattern into Lahore changed a bit ... a bit more direct than in the recent past. what are the square boxes moving around lahore airport as shown in flightradar24..? I dont why dont we lob a few 155 mm shells into Allama Iqbal airport..

..should brown and wet the pakjabi shalwars. Karachi lahore and islamabad are the three main airports in Pak. we should look to close their air traffic completely !! will hit their exports as well.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 20 Mar 2019 08:27

yesterday was a dark night over the mendhar sector ... some good things happened. cant reveal my source.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 20 Mar 2019 08:35

babaji confirms Swati WLR in use all along border to pinpoint enemy mortar and artillery positions for MLRS to target

the antiquated 10ish ANTPQ37 we had purchased after kargil are long out of service due to lack of spares and us army retired them long ago.
Swati is based off the Rajendra FCR on Akash....a good example of lego blocks that can derive other useful kit.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 20 Mar 2019 08:36

mmasand wrote:
UlanBatori wrote:urgent: download&stranslate
My Urdu is very rusty, but it goes along the lines of "Despite IK's peace efforts, there is destruction. Refers to 'shaheed' in Kotli sector near LoC."
Lot of general rant about innocent civilians, sympathy etc.
Then goes onto say we have pride on each and every TSP uniformed Abdul and TSP.

Good start but pls go down the tweet.. See replies by Almas Abbasi. Pls translate.

Two separate posts with pics of bldgs with new ventilation. One with ambulance parked outside. Are these Balakot is my pooch. If so it is clear proof of things coming through concrete roof and wiping out everything below. Download the pics as I have.
If not Balakot then where?

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 20 Mar 2019 08:40

Also see this one:
https://twitter.com/aqeel603/status/1101853848103256064

Clearly a funeral/ceremonial bugler, turkey feathers in caps and all.

Edited: Sorry, no one holding stretcher.
Text: (from UBCN Global Translation Dept which is a bit slow these dins):

The first martyr son of the history of Halai is a Pakistani army lion
Shaheed Shahzad Hussain Wali Liaqat Ali Teri Jrit Your Majesty
Greet your testimony

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 20 Mar 2019 08:42

yak herder ji that tweet is from march1 when a big assault was launched on kotli near the LOC.

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 20 Mar 2019 08:44

Singha wrote:yesterday was a dark night over the mendhar sector ... some good things happened. cant reveal my source.

Can we get a sticky in this thread of where various sectors are on a map? Ramanaji or Karanji? Mendhar sector appears to be near Khatal and Nakyal in POK. This would corroborate what bababanaras said on 18 March 2019 about Nakyal Sector in POK.

Mortar position of enemy successfully destroyed with MBRL by Indian Army around 12:30AM somewhere in Nakyal sector of POK.
Heavy loss expected to enemy.

Enemy attacked an empty BOP of IA in Pallanwala sector with ATGM and mortar bomb. No loss of life.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 20 Mar 2019 08:48

this map has all the names one hears of

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 20 Mar 2019 08:50

http://pamirtours.pk/maps/PD%20Maps/AJK ... %20Map.jpg

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 20 Mar 2019 08:52

^^^Thanks. Can this be put up as a sticky at top of this thread?

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 20 Mar 2019 08:56

if we had kept on fighting in 1948 instead of banditji running to the UN, certain vital areas like mangla dam and advantageous heights would surely in our control as also all of the northern areas.

US/UK moved quickly to convince banditji to let the pakis off the leash and establish a de-facto LOC leaving them with a lot of spoils from the treacherous and unprovoked attack on kashmir by the lashkars which the UK surely knew of and mostly encouraged.

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 20 Mar 2019 09:13

Banditji did a shit load of long term strategic damage.

disha · Post by **disha** » 20 Mar 2019 09:14

Banditji made lot of mistakes. Least of it was taking cashmere to UN for his own H&D.

It was compounded in '71 when we returned 90k Bakistanis without even getting a toehold in Neelum Valley.

Looking forward to collapse of Bakistan. Neelum valley and Gilgit-Baltistan can be brought into our domain.

Bishwa · Post by **Bishwa** » 20 Mar 2019 09:17

The two jets (PAF and IAF) crashed in Bhimber district..

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 20 Mar 2019 09:22

bababanaras - but even he misspelled GUJARAT.

To Create panic in the heart of the enemy, mock drill of @IAF_MCC done near IB in Gujrat last night. 6 Sukhoi MKI30 , 10 Miraj-2000 , 2 MIG-29, 2 MIG-27, 4 Jaguar roared along the IB.

DrRatnadip · Post by **DrRatnadip** » 20 Mar 2019 09:34

Bishwa wrote:The two jets (PAF and IAF) crashed in Bhimber district..

Sad if true.. Hope there is no loss of life on our side

DrRatnadip · Post by **DrRatnadip** » 20 Mar 2019 09:36

Mort Walker wrote:bababanaras - but even he misspelled GUJARAT.

To Create panic in the heart of the enemy, mock drill of @IAF_MCC done near IB in Gujrat last night. 6 Sukhoi MKI30 , 10 Miraj-2000 , 2 MIG-29, 2 MIG-27, 4 Jaguar roared along the IB.

This might be IAF DEMO mode he earlier mentioned...

Karthik S · Post by **Karthik S** » 20 Mar 2019 09:39

DrRatnadip wrote:
Bishwa wrote:The two jets (PAF and IAF) crashed in Bhimber district..
Sad if true.. Hope there is no loss of life on our side

I think he is talking about Wing Co Abhi case.

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 20 Mar 2019 09:45

DrRatnadip wrote:
Bishwa wrote:The two jets (PAF and IAF) crashed in Bhimber district..
Sad if true.. Hope there is no loss of life on our side

Bishwa is referring to the PAF incursion in to Indian airspace last month.

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 20 Mar 2019 09:47

Singha wrote:if we had kept on fighting in 1948 instead of banditji running to the UN, certain vital areas like mangla dam and advantageous heights would surely in our control as also all of the northern areas.

US/UK moved quickly to convince banditji to let the pakis off the leash and establish a de-facto LOC leaving them with a lot of spoils from the treacherous and unprovoked attack on kashmir by the lashkars which the UK surely knew of and mostly encouraged.

off topic, but lets not blame foreign powers for our own leader's inability. One can easily break cease fire or UN resolution and restart the fighting if it matters the most for the nation. what those powers busy cleaning ww2 mess would have done? It seems that kasmir did not matter the most for nehru and he let it go.

Dileep · Post by **Dileep** » 20 Mar 2019 10:04

Singha, please edit the maps and change the name of the place tothe right one.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 20 Mar 2019 10:38

I sourced it from a pak website. obviously they have the AK instead of POK.
have removed its inline image mode. someone who has a better image from indian side may post.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 20 Mar 2019 10:53

To Create panic in the heart of the enemy, mock drill of @IAF_MCC done near IB in Gujrat last night. 6 Sukhoi MKI30 , 10 Miraj-2000 , 2 MIG-29, 2 MIG-27, 4 Jaguar roared along the IB.

PAF has several problems with a 2000km front. IAF has changed its ROE to permit BVR shots.

- Mirage5, Mirage3, F7PG lacks any form of BVR capability. on JF17 they are trying but not yet there, not at amraam level it wont be.
- 20% of F-solah numbers meant for DPSA and strategic missions are always kept safe in superhard shelters in jacobabad, peshawar, quetta, sargodha which are well behind the front.
- the remainder F16s and JF17s , PAF always surges 80% of them into punjab and facing kashmir to confront the IAF with equal or better numbers (since a good part of IAF is under eastern and south-western cmds)

this leaves the vast stretches of sindh and baluchistan relatively undefended except krachi.

also the fly in ointment is the large nos of su30 which can roam around long distances even if not @ a fwd base. the Tejas which will fwd deploy from next year will have 2X the combat radius of the Mig21 -and- have AAR facility also in Mk1A+ .... the Mig29U which is our other QRT asset has also gained considerable fuel

so whether in gujarat on our side or Badin on their side....these mysterious rolling thunder parades will continue indefinitely. the hybrid composition of these formations means they could be anything when picked on radar...in moments they could split up and while some head down to treetop level, others could be launching PGMs from high alt, or roving around looking for a fight. attacks could come from anywhere and at any time. Pakistan is a target rich env in terms of jihadi madrasas and offices ....sindh and blochistan has plenty.

PAfs days of sitting back letting the cannon fodder take the heat on loc are over. they have to respond and confront to retain any credibility with the awaam.

its either use up the residual life of the mirages and F7 guarding this vast sector south of bahawalpur, our cut numbers in the north and move jf17/f16 south.

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 20 Mar 2019 11:09

mmasand · Post by **mmasand** » 20 Mar 2019 11:16

UlanBatori wrote:
mmasand wrote: My Urdu is very rusty, but it goes along the lines of "Despite IK's peace efforts, there is destruction. Refers to 'shaheed' in Kotli sector near LoC."
Lot of general rant about innocent civilians, sympathy etc.
Then goes onto say we have pride on each and every TSP uniformed Abdul and TSP.
Good start but pls go down the tweet.. See replies by Almas Abbasi. Pls translate.

Two separate posts with pics of bldgs with new ventilation. One with ambulance parked outside. Are these Balakot is my pooch. If so it is clear proof of things coming through concrete roof and wiping out everything below. Download the pics as I have.
If not Balakot then where?

The pic with the damaged roof/parapet doesn't have any text or explanation to go with it, subsequent tweet of the ambulance refers to generic rant alongside IK's offer of olive branch, yet Kashmiris have to suffer.