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Books that cover IAF and its History

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Books that cover IAF and its History

Postby Rangudu » 17 Jul 2002 08:27

BRites,

I'd like to start a thread dedicated to the IAF and its history. Specifically, I'd like to get people's views on good books by Indian and non Indian authors on the History of the IAF. Of special interest is IAF's war record and historical interpretations of it. I do not consider books by Chuck Yeager or John Fricker in this category.

Since relatively few titles are avaialble solely dedicated to the IAF, I'd like to know if some general Air Warfare books have sections on the IAF.

I'd like to kick start it with a book that I recently bought.

AEROSPACE ENCYCLOPEDIA OF AIR WARFARE (Volume 2 1946-present) by Chris Bishop, AIRTime publishing, USA

This is one of the few Western books that almost completely vindicates the IAF's role in 1965. I do not mean the IAF's official claims, but rather the (well researched - unofficial) claims such as Jagan's. This book has a few typos and minor detail errors but is worth a read.

Some excerpts from this book about the 1965 air war.

The Indo-Pakistani war of 1965 is often presnted as a 'David and Goliath' struggle, though in fact, the two sides were remarkably evenly matched,since India had to keep many of its best units in the East, to guard against Chinese intervention and played no part in the fighting. Clever post war propaganda by the PAF created the illusion that the war had been something of a Turkey shoot for the PAF, but while the Pakistani enjoyed a 26:12 kill:loss ratio in air combat, they were unable to prevent offensive operations by India's bombers and fighter-bombers.

The PAF lost 25 aircrafts (12 in air combat) while the IAF lost lost 60 (26 in air combat). This was an impressive result but was simply not good enough. Pakistan ended the war having depleted 17% of its frontline strength while India's losses amounted to less than 10%. Moreover the loss rate had begun to even out and experts have estimated that another three weeks of fighting would have seen Pakistani losses rising to 33% and India's losses totalling 15%. Air superiority was not achieved and PAF was unable to prevent IAF fighter-bombers and recce Canberras from flying daylight missions over Pakistan. Thus 1965 was an expensive "victory" for the PAF and one which was tainted by ridiculously exaggerated propaganda which claimed a 4:1 or 5:1 kill:loss ratio. The PAF had begun to believe their own propaganda that the kill:loss ratio had been 4:1 rather than the actual 2:1, still an imressive achievement, but simply not enough to win a war against India. They were completely unable to percieve that whatever happened in the air, the war ended in a draw. They had also failed to realize that despite a slightly higher kill tally, they could not win a war of attrition against India.
To me, the best part in this book was that it had a photo of Sq. Ldr. M.M.Alam and the caption read:

Squadron Leader Mohammed Alam was credited with the downing of five Indian Hunters in a single engagement over Sargodha during the 1965 war, but the IAF lost only 3 Hunters that day, two of them due to enemy action. Two of the "Hunter Pilots" named by the PAF as victims actually flew Mysteres on another strike. :lol:
Any others interested in this topic, please share your favourite books and some excerpts

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Re: Books that cover IAF and its History

Postby member_201 » 17 Jul 2002 08:47

This is the first acknowledgement from a non-Indian source of the Alam incident. Wow! The truth is finally reaching Western shores - nearly 40 years later!

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Postby Jagan » 17 Jul 2002 14:24

Thats quite interesting and encouraging. The assesment of the war and figures seems to have been based on Pushpindar Singh/Ravi Rikhye's Fiza Ya and is a refreshing change on how the western authors view the outcome of the war.

Pushy's effort on the Sargodha Myth have really paid dividends here.

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Re: Books that cover IAF and its History

Postby Kapil » 17 Jul 2002 14:43

Even more than Pushy,its the two gentlemen who have posted before me who deserve a lot of the credit for laying the true facts in front of contemporary aviation historians.
Cheers Rakmani and Jagmani

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Re: Books that cover IAF and its History

Postby Jagan » 19 Jul 2002 14:23

"Eyes of the Phoenix" by Geoff Thomas published in 1998 by Hikoki deals with Tactical & Photo recce in Burma/SEA and thus has a lot of IAF material.

A possible future addition for the IAF books library.

I will post a list of books I have with me and a wish list!

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Re: Books that cover IAF and its History

Postby Rangudu » 19 Jul 2002 18:47

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Re: Books that cover IAF and its History

Postby Harry » 20 Jul 2002 19:04

Even though the 2:1 ratio is BS.It was more like 1.3:1 in favour of the PAF.

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Re: Books that cover IAF and its History

Postby Rangudu » 21 Jul 2002 07:35

2:1 would be feasible only if you assume all of IAF's losses were due to PAF (Air/AAA and on ground)

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Re: Books that cover IAF and its History

Postby Harry » 21 Jul 2002 22:24

Not even then!

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Re: Books that cover IAF and its History

Postby CPrakash » 22 Jul 2002 03:20

Originally posted by Harry:
Not even then!
Harry

What do you mean "not even then"? If you add up the figures , then it looks 2:1 in PAF favour to me!. can you expand your mathematics to prove you are right?

OK lets not beat around the bush or fool ourselves.

IAF Kills in Air + AA kills + IAF claims in Pak Air fields 16 + 5 + 8 = Approx 30

PAF (Kills in Air + AA )+ dest on ground = 25+ 35 = 60

Refer to BR Kills and Losses pages.

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Re: Books that cover IAF and its History

Postby Guest » 22 Jul 2002 03:49

Cprakash please take it up with Harry through email

This one is devoted to collecting the info

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Re: Books that cover IAF and its History

Postby Harry » 22 Jul 2002 18:08

Cprakash,you're starting to sound like those from the other side!

Do you seriously think the AA losses were just 5? :D

BTW Have you even read the official history of the 1965 war?

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Re: Books that cover IAF and its History

Postby CPrakash » 22 Jul 2002 19:05

>Cprakash,you're starting to sound like those from the other side!

To borrow a term from another 'branded' member here..the above is a typical jingo response. Cast some doubts on 'positive' figures and you are branded a Pakistani! tsk tsk when will we ever learn? :D

>Do you seriously think the AA losses were just 5? :D

Yes i do. If you have facts to state rather than sarcastic commments.. please put them across.

>BTW Have you even read the official history of the 1965 war?

Might as well post a review of the Official History here since it also deals with IAF history. The official history is accurate as far as IAF losses are concerned. Even there it has plenty of mistakes. To quote one it says all the vampires lost on Sept 1st were from one formation. Now we know they are not..isn't it?

The AA claims in the Official History are all bullsh*t.

PS: Before the admins shoot us both together again, why dont you start a new thread on this.

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Re: Books that cover IAF and its History

Postby Guest » 22 Jul 2002 19:22

Sigh - any more posts on this from bnoth of you will be deleted. Take it to email or another thread.

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Re: Books that cover IAF and its History

Postby Rangudu » 24 Jul 2002 05:05

I just finished reading the book:

Hawker Hunter: The Operational Record
by Robert Jackson


It has one full chapter on the Hunter in service in the IAF. However, it has a few mistakes about the 1965 Air action.

About Sept 6, 1965 it has a detailed report but fails to name the pilot of the Hunter that hitthe ground during Aircombat with Alam's F-86 at Tarn Taran (Sq.Ldr Rawlley)

The part that ticks me off is that it gives Alam's now famous narrative of the Sept 7 action over Sargodha and then goes on to say:

Apart from Sq. Ldr Kakar, the names of three more Hunter pilots shot down in the Sargodha area, presumably in this engagement, were later released by the Indian Defence Ministry. They were Squadron Leaders Bhagwat and Rawlley and Flying Officer Brar. All were killed
For heaven's sake, did DoD release any report saying Sq.Ldr Rawlley was killed over Sargodha? :roll: [/quote]On the whole this book is a good read. But not for people looking for IAF friendly reading.

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Re: Books that cover IAF and its History

Postby Jagan » 24 Jul 2002 15:54

Originally posted by Rangudu:

[b]Hawker Hunter: The Operational Record
by Robert Jackson


For heaven's sake, did DoD release any report saying Sq.Ldr Rawlley was killed over Sargodha? :mad:
[/b]
What happens here is that in the absense of any official statement or history from our side, the western authors depend mostly on secondary sources. It was Fricker who implied that Rawlley might have been one of the pilots killed at Sargodha and it must have been picked up by jackson.

Jackson's dependence on Yeager's account is hillarious to say the least.

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Re: Books that cover IAF and its History

Postby Mohan Raju » 25 Jul 2002 00:31

What happens here is that in the absense of any official statement or history from our side, the western authors depend mostly on secondary sources.
That is true. No matter how good they are at their chosen professions, Indian armed forces are (or used to be) clumsy and incompetent in the field of international PR and propaganda. This has got to change, and I think it already is, a bit.

Of course, there was another factor at play during the Cold War, viz. that India was written off as being a Soviet friend, therefore it had to be trashed and bad-mouthed regardless of the facts. However, at the end of the day, the fact remains that we are partly responsible for the negative image.

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Re: Books that cover IAF and its History

Postby Rangudu » 25 Jul 2002 01:02

MR/Jagan,

Kargil was a bit of a change from our Armed forces PR ineptitude, wouldn't you say?

As far as 65 and 71 goes, our Govt needs to bite the bullet and release some sort of figures - Crashes - location, pilots, etc.

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Re: Books that cover IAF and its History

Postby svinayak » 25 Jul 2002 01:27

Wednesday July 24, 7:56 PM

Panel submits report on Indian war history
By Indo-Asian News Service

http://in.news.yahoo.com/020724/43/1slof.html


New Delhi, July 24 (IANS) A panel set up by the government to examine whether official records of wars fought by India should be made public submitted its report Wednesday.

Former defence secretary N.N. Vohra, who headed the review panel, submitted the report to Defence Minister George Fernandes here.

The defence ministry disclosed no details about recommendations made by the panel.

The three-member panel was created in October as part of the most sweeping revamp of India's higher defence management. A group of ministers studying India's national security set-up had then recommended the publication of all war histories.

The panel reviewed whether records of the 1962 war with China, the 1965 and 1971 wars with Pakistan and the Indian military intervention in Sri Lanka in the 1980s should be published.

Lt. Gen. (retired) Satish Nambiar, former deputy chief of army staff, and military historian S.N. Prasad were the other members of the panel.

The panel examine files and documents related to the conflicts in the defence and external affairs ministries.

The defence ministry has so far made public only the history of the 1947-48 war with Pakistan, when Indian forces mounted a spirited campaign to evict Pakistan-backed intruders who had occupied a large part of Jammu and Kashmir.

Media reports have said the panel had decided to recommend the publication of classified records of the 1962 border conflict with China and the 1965 and 1971 wars with Pakistan.

The reports said the panel's decision to recommend the publication of these records was based on the fact that they were no longer covered by the government's 30-year confidentiality clause on official documents.

Media reports based on a leaked copy of the classified history of the 1965 war created a major controversy last year as they contained details about reported lapses in decision-making by the Indian Army's top brass.

There has been a growing demand in military and strategic circles that war histories should be made public so that the current generation of decision-makers and policy-planners can learn from previous military campaigns.

Such is the sensitivity associated with war records that the defence ministry still has not made public a report by Lt. Gen. Henderson Brooks on the causes behind the Indian Army's debacle during the 1962 conflict with China.

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Re: Books that cover IAF and its History

Postby ramana » 25 Jul 2002 01:44

Per Clausewitz, War is an extension of diplomacy. So just publishing the MoD and IA archives is not enough. One should be allowed to see the MEA and the political masters and how they performed.

As I recall the KRC had a lot of stuff expunged about the events from May 6 to May 24th. It was rumoured that is described the chaos in the decision making circles and was expunged so that the enemy might be denied the insight. Most possibly a current day Coomar Narain type might have already provided it to those who want to know.

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Re: Books that cover IAF and its History

Postby Mohan Raju » 25 Jul 2002 10:21

Originally posted by ramana:
It was rumoured that... was expunged so that the enemy might be denied the insight. Most possibly a current day Coomar Narain type might have already provided it to those who want to know.
Exactly. And therein lies the foolishness of trying to hide these things from the Indian public -- the important details are probably all known to foreign countries (friendly or hostile). It is the citizens at home (who, when all is said and done, are the government's boss) who are kept in the dark. All to spare the authorities some acute embarassment or humiliation.

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Postby Jagan » 25 Jul 2002 12:41

"As far as 65 and 71 goes, our Govt needs to bite the bullet and release some sort of figures - Crashes - location, pilots, etc. "

Rangudu,

The Official Histories released by Times of India does have the details. Dates/Locations/Types..but it does not give the pilots names - these are left for others to work out.

I read a book recently

"Debacle to Revival - Y B Chavan as Defence Minister 1962-65" by R D Pradhan (Later Governor of Arunachal Pradesh)

The book basically covers the period from 62-65 when the Author was PS to the Defence Minister. Pradhan covers many events of the time, the resignation of Generals post 62, American Aid, profiles of Chaudhury, Arjan Singh, the 1965 Chapter has Chavan's own notes and provide a candid view of what info he was getting regarding the war

One very interesting chapter was about the Henderson Brooks report. Including a physical description of How it looks and how many copies were printed and who read them. According to the author, the report was of Seven Volumes + Appendices. Two copies were printed - one was with the COAS Chaudhary, the other with Defence Minister. the DM's copy was kept with Pradhan, but was put in a steel box and sealed properly. The secrecy over the documents and the procedures for reading them sounds quite ridiculous. Chavan was even reluctant that the President Radhakrisnan wanted to read it and only after Radhakrishnan put his foot down did he send his copy thru pradhan. Then again Pradhan would drop the copy directly to the president and pick it up directly. The COAS's copy was rather abruptly picked up by the DM and sealed and retained in the DM's office. It is suspected that the copies still lie with the DM's Office. Only five people are said to have read it. Chaudhury, Chavan, Nehru, Radhakrishnan and the Author. The Author maintians that Neville Maxwell might have had access to the Summary prepared by Chaudhary but not the actual report.

All in all a rather interesting book from interesting times.

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Re: Books that cover IAF and its History

Postby Rangudu » 07 Aug 2002 07:11

I just got this magazine from a used book store.

World Airpower Journal, Volume 13 (Summer 1993)

Aerospace Publishing Inc. UK


This book has an analysis of PAF. Some excerpts:

About PAF's acquisitions from US it says:

The difficulties inherent in estimating the Pakistan Air Force's establishment begin with this early batch of deliveries. The official PAF. The official PAF hsitory records the delivery of 12 F-104s, conveniently ignoring at least one ex-CNAF F-104 confirmed as having been delivered, while other reliable sources suggest various higher figures. :lol:
About the 1965 war, it says:

The Achievements of the Pakistan Air Force in 1965 have often been overstated, with inflated kill claims and a relucatance to admit true losses. Nevertheless, Pakistan unmistakably won the war in the air, in that it was able to prevent the Indian Air Force from achieving its objectives. Pakistan's relatively sma numerical losses represented a substantial percentage of its frontline aircraft strength.
About 1971 it says:

War erupted again in 1971, with Pakistan launching pre-emptive air strikes after caliming that India was supporting Bengali separatists in East Pakistan (now Bangladesh). India's retaliatory air attacks were devastating, and the PAF was unable to challenge Indian air superiority during the rest of the brief war, which resulted in the independence of East Pakistan as Bangladesh. Interestingly, the PAF was augmented during the war by the No. 9 Squadron of the Royal Jordanian Air Force, flying F-104s, and by the delivery of between 20 and 75 F-86s from Saudi Arabia. It is also believed that Libya sent a training detachment of five F-5s, perhaps to allow for rapid transfer of more of these aircraft had the war gone on for a longer period. Exact kill and loss figures remain controversial to this day, but it is clear that India effectively won the air war in 1971, and that the Pakistan Air Force emerged with a dented reputation and was blamed by the man on the street for 'letting down the nation'.

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Re: Books that cover IAF and its History

Postby Aditya G » 07 Aug 2002 08:30

Rangudu, do you have anything on the Kargil and Siachen conflict in your collection? Please post it here!

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Re: Books that cover IAF and its History

Postby Sree » 07 Aug 2002 15:01

A couple of weeks ago I picked up a copy of Victor Bingham's recent book on the Gnat, " Folland Gnat: Red Arrow and Sabre Slayer". I haven't read it yet (too many other distractions, in the last few days!); but a few impressions on flicking quickly through:

- The author (himself an RAF veteran) and his collaborators make an honest attempt to give the Indian side of the Gnat's operational story; but

- The book starts off, sadly for us, by saying in the Acknowledgements, that the IAF simply ignored all the author's requests for info, access and interviews (sometimes I could tear my hair out!!). So he has had to build the Indian operational story out of other sources -- which often means Pakistani ones.

- So, for instance, Sikand is still described as having "surrendered" to Hakimullah's F-104, rather than as having landed, low on fuel, before any PAF aircraft was in the vicinity; and in cases where an Indian kill is said by the PAF to have made it back to base, the description of damage sustained is minimised, and write-off invariably denied.

- Nevertheless, it comes out as positive overall on the Indian experience of operating the Gnat.

- One informed criticism I heard, from a knowledgable IAF veteran now living in the UK, is that the book gives insufficient coverage of the Indian contribution to the development of the Gnat -- the secondment of then-Wg Cdr Suranjan Das to Folland's test-flying and development team in the UK, and the Indian acquisition of manufacturing rights for the fighter version, without the earnings from which Folland would not have had the wherewithal to develop the trainer version that the RAF then acquired. (And there I was, thinking that the Indian deal with Sukhoi was something new ... )

Overall, I have to say I was really pleased that a Western author picked up and re-used the Indian "Sabre Slayer" label! I will post excerpts when I have finished reading.

Btw, I also have a copy of the Aerospace Encyclopaedia mentioned by Rangudu (and I also savoured its comments on Alam!!). One point I would add is that it's not all that recent a publication; it was first published something like three-odd years ago; and its comments on Alam have been in the public domain at least since then. Some of the sentences (or at least the sentiments) in the India-Pakistan chapter seem to me to be drawn from an article by Jon Lake that appeared a couple of years earlier in the now-defunct WAPJ.

Also, besides the chapter on India and Pakistan, there is a chapter on the IAF's ops in Sri Lanka. That chapter is about as respectful of the IAF (and of the Indian political imperatives for intervention) as one could ask for, but doesn't have much operational detail. I sent excerpts from it previously, to Jagan and to LNS.

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Re: Books that cover IAF and its History

Postby Rangudu » 07 Aug 2002 19:11

Sree,

Do you have Volume 12 of WAPJ? It deals with the IAF.

I couldn't find one in any used book store in the US.

If you do have it, is it worth buying?

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aditya,

There are lots of new books on Kargil. I'll check them out soon. Many good books are available at the BR Bookstore.

Siachen is super elusive. No luck yet.

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Re: Books that cover IAF and its History

Postby Surya » 07 Aug 2002 19:47

Vol 12 is now pretty much useless. BR has more info and scramble and scramble will cover the remainder.

So do not waste your money

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Postby Jagan » 07 Aug 2002 19:57

Recently got the chance to read a Coffee Table (Large format) book released by Air HQ.

"Ceremonial Glimpses of the Indian Air Force"

Rs 2000/- Ritana books.

Though expensive, the book does cover the ceremonial aspects of the IAF (incl a fair bit of history) like Handing overs, memorials, medals, flypasts, musuems, Presidential colors, crests (not all - and those that are there are poor quality), inspection parades, uniforms etc etc.

If you are an IAF buff and trying to build a libarary, might be worthwhile to buy it.

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Re: Books that cover IAF and its History

Postby Jagan » 07 Aug 2002 20:08

Heres a list of books on the IAF

My Years with the IAF by Air Chief Marshal P C Lal +
History of the Indian Air Force 1933-1945 by Mr S C Gupta (Official WW2 History)+
History of the Indian Air Force by Air Marshal M S Chaturvedi+
The Battle Axes - No.7 Squadron IAF 1942-92 by Mr. Pushpindar Singh+
Birth of an Air Force by Air Vice Marshal Harjinder Singh
Fiza ya: Psyche of the Pakistan Air force by Mr. Pushpindar Singh, Ravi Rikye
The Sky was the Limit by Wg Cdr Murkot Ramunny+
Inside Occupied Kashmir by P N Sharma+
Touching the Sky Air HQ Coffee Table book
Sentinels of the Sky Air HQ Coffee Table book
Indian Air Force - Rand Report Rand Insitute+
Aircraft of the Indian Air Force 1933-73 by Mr Pushpindar singh+
Aircraft of the Indian Air Force by Mr.Vijay Seth+
Footprints of Courage in sands of time by Gp Capt Ranbir Singh
Three Nations One people by Sqn Ldr Dhirendra Singh Jafa+
Aviation in the Hyderabad Dominions by Mrs Anuradha Reddy+

Plus Another book by Ranbir Singh and three books by AVM SS Malhotra under the name Mally Douglas

+ Denotes that the BR hyderabad library has them ;)

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Re: Books that cover IAF and its History

Postby dsandhu » 07 Aug 2002 20:25

Impressive list Jagan

Where is the BR Hyderabad Library located? :( :o :mad : o be avoided at all cost

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Re: Books that cover IAF and its History

Postby Jagan » 07 Aug 2002 20:33

DSandhu,

Come to hyderabad and I will show you the library :lol:

As you said Chaturvedi's book is very dissappointing for its title. Among the few good things are its organisation training is explained a little better. Plus the Gallantry Awards list at the end of the book is comprehensive (Ironically the only book to have such a list). It gives an impression of being a 'quickie'.

Pushy singh always bought out a interesting and readable books both for the history buff as well as the techie buff. One great book i forgot to mention is Indian Air Force and its aircraft 1933-1982 by Pushpindar Singh, Gordon Swansborough and William Greene. Lovely book that is a collection of articles on various aspects (Transport, fighter, training, helicopters, Aircraft typewise MiGs, Congo Article, HAL) with loads of cutaway diagrams and color profiles.

Battle Axes is real good but the 1971 Chapter is highly dissappointing after the buildup in the initial chapters of the book. But still its a great addition to the library especially because it covers events upto 1992. (Even though its limited to one squadron only)

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Re: Books that cover IAF and its History

Postby dsandhu » 07 Aug 2002 20:41

Jagan
Any idea what the books by Group Cap. Ranbir Singh are about (Footprints of courage...)?. I have read a couple of articles where these books are reffered too but can find these books in any of the book sellers in N. India or even in the libraies of some US universties?

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Re: Books that cover IAF and its History

Postby Rudra » 07 Aug 2002 20:59

around 1982 we had a book brought out by IAF
themselves on occasion of their golden Jubilee.
I was in class4 and a machinery freak. bought it
for rs40/- then. "The Indian air force and its
aircraft golden jubilee 1932-82".

that books a classic.

-Fifty years on...the IAF today
-the Jags attack profile
-HAL..building IAFs muscle
-Quality & Quantity..the IAF Migs
-Airbridge to roof of world
-the vertical component
-flying training in IAF
-IAF half-century (historical)
-Canberras in the congo

(large number of internal structural design
drawings of IAF a/c past and present)

has a foreword by ACM Dilbagh Singh.

Distributed in India by:
The English Book Store
17-L Connaught Circus
New Delhi 110 001

for anyone in Delhi, its worth the trek to see
if they still have any old copies stashed away
somewhere. buy it, its a keeper.

more details: one of the editors was pushpinder
chopra.

published and distributed by:
Ducimus books ltd
De worde house, 283 Lonsdale road
London SW13 9QW

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Re: Books that cover IAF and its History

Postby Jagan » 07 Aug 2002 21:03

DSandhu

Ranbir Singh wrote a series of short articles on the IAF (Based on true incidents) in the youth magazine SUN. He had compiled them in these books. He does not use the rank and names of pilots and officers but thier nicknames or call signs. For example, you will have an article on Sabre Vs Gnat in 1965 but the pilots are referred to as Mazzy and Kamli (Refer to combat on 20 Sep 65 with Majumdar and Khanna) - Ditto with Longewala battle in which only nicks are used - Deepak, Tully, Mama etc.. or the raid on shorkot in which the nicks are used again (jimmy, gary, uncle , sathaye - only after reading bhatia's article could i put two and two together)

Ditto with D S Jafa's book. The entire book is based on the true story of IAF Prisoners of War escaping from the Pakistan Camp. But all the characters have fictionalised names and some characters and events are merged. Jafa is known as Vijay, Coelho is the 'Bigone' etc etc..

I cant help think that both these officers should have written the story with real names and locations rather than take the 'fiction' approach (Probably to avoid the Air HQ Censor/restrictions on officers penning memoirs?)

Rudraji

Agree with you on that particular book. Its the same one i mentioned in my previous post.

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Re: Books that cover IAF and its History

Postby Sree » 07 Aug 2002 21:45

[quote]Originally posted by dsandhu:
[b] ... Where is the BR Hyderabad Library located? :D

Very knowledgable staff, too. ;)

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Re: Books that cover IAF and its History

Postby Guest » 07 Aug 2002 22:51

Rudra - I have been after that book for ages.

Can you at least scan the thing and send it to us

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Re: Books that cover IAF and its History

Postby Rudra » 08 Aug 2002 02:32

I will do what I can. 80 pages is too much to
scan. take your pick from the table of contents
I posted in order of priority. I think "Canberras
in the Congo" is the most entertaining in a
niche sense. will send that first.

can admins@bharak-rakshak.com receive huge
attached jpeg files ?

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Re: Books that cover IAF and its History

Postby Umrao » 08 Aug 2002 02:38

I had the honor of bunking school (Mahbub College) and attend the inauguration of Dindigul AFA, at that time they released a Souvenir. I had that copy till recent times in Hyderabad home, I hope my folks have not thrown away that piece of history.
Does anybody have that?

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Re: Books that cover IAF and its History

Postby Guest » 08 Aug 2002 09:37

Originally posted by Rudra Singha:
I posted in order of priority. I think "Canberras
in the Congo" is the most entertaining in a
niche sense. will send that first.
Rudra, we already have the congo article:

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/History/Congo

Hey dont worry about scans - we dont want all of them. In the end it wont be more than 6-8 pages. I will send you a list.

Umrao Saab,

Please do see if that brochure is availabe, We will put good use to it.

regards

Jagan

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Re: Books that cover IAF and its History

Postby Harry » 08 Aug 2002 18:26

Sree,could you be a little bit more specific on how Victor bingham's book describes IAF performance and scores in the wars?(Especially in 1965).Please quote if possible.

Rangudu,could you please email me the scans of those sections from WAPJ and Chris bishop's EAW?


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