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Pak: Documents from the U.S. National Archives, 1949-1973

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Pak: Documents from the U.S. National Archives, 1949-1973

Postby Rishi » 05 Oct 2004 20:08

http://www.icdc.com/~paulwolf/pakistan/pakistan.htm

A fascinating look into US Gov communications from 49-73 dealing with Pak, and the Indo-Pak wars.

Probabaly junta should download the whole archive. Historical Goldmine I think.

Don't think this was posted her before, but seemed too imp. to get lost in the Misc Folder, hence this new thread.

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Postby Jagan » 05 Oct 2004 21:17

great find Rishi,

This is really funny, they really really believe that they were winning the war.
http://www.icdc.com/~paulwolf/pakistan/ ... ct1965.htm

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Postby Jagan » 05 Oct 2004 21:19

Fantastic account of a discussion between the Director Indian Naval Intelligence and a Pak Navy official over the sinking of an INdian ship that never happened. and the Director Indian Air Force Intelligence assuring that it 'may have happened' :D

http://www.icdc.com/~paulwolf/pakistan/ ... ov1965.htm :lol:

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Postby JCage » 05 Oct 2004 21:27

http://www.icdc.com/~paulwolf/pakistan/ ... ly1971.htm :D :D :D

Note about running away w/o fighting...cops were trained by NLI apparently.:p

This is typical equal-equal about Gnat parts to India.

http://www.icdc.com/~paulwolf/pakistan/ ... ov1965.jpg
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Postby JCage » 05 Oct 2004 21:32

Open admission of guilt:
http://www.icdc.com/~paulwolf/pakistan/ ... ov1971.htm
eneral Farman Ali Khan described the loevel of Mukti guerrilla insurgency as somewhat intensifed but manageable because the newly trained Bengali guerrillas entering from India feared to take action. Over 1,400 guerrillas had entered Dacca district in the last 30 days but only a few had chosen to fight. He acknowledged, off-the-record, that this was due to the terroristic reprisal policy. He also acknowledged that terror and reprisal had an "unfortunate effect on Bengali attitudes." But he said, "all Army commanders had concluded that insurgency was more of a problem in areas where the Army had been too lenient and had not demonstrated clean-up operations." ... General Farman Ali Khan said the Army sought to leave the fighting of the Mukti guerrillas to the newly armed Bengali "Rasikars," who now numbered 60,000. He acknowledged that "Rasikars" -- raised as village levies for guard duty with only ten days training, and without NCOs or officers -- did not constitute a disciplined force. However, the "Rasikars" are a destabilizing element -- living off the land, able to make life and death decisions by denouncing collaborators and openly pillaging and terrorizing villages without apparent restraint from the Army. With villagers caught between the Rasikars and Mukti guerrillas, law and order is breaking down rapidly in rural East Pakistan. Hence, the rural population is moving either to the cities which are now overpopulated or going to India. ... General Farman Ali Khan accepted the estimate that at least 80 percent of the Hindus had left East Pakistan. He, off-the-record, spoke of about six million refugees who had gone to India and he anticipated that a further 1,500,000 refugees would probably go to India "before the situation settles down."

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Postby Sunil » 05 Oct 2004 22:25

http://www.icdc.com/~paulwolf/pakistan/ ... #powindahs

Here is something for the SSG history buffs.

Bajaur Bombing
A series of circumstances over the past week has raised suspicions that local elements of the Pakistan Army may have experienced some sort of "flap" in recent days. The circumstances included: an assemblage of Frontier area Army brigade commanders here on the 24th and 25th; the non-attendance of any senior Army officers at the Commerce College dedication by Miss Fatima Jinnah on the 25th, an event for which seats had been reserved for them on the dias; the last minute cancellation of a big Armored Corps parade at Nowshera on the 26th at which the Commander-in-Chief, General MUHAMMAD MUSA, was to have been the chief guest; the disappearance and protracted absence of one of the local division's infantry battalions. Whether all these circumstances were connected or not, my suspicions have now been confirmed by the Consulate's Political Assistant, Col. KHUSHWAQT-UL-MULK. During a visit with Col. Khushwaqt on the 26th, he reported that he had just received two definite indications that a disturbance had occurred recently in troublesome Bajaur, between Dir State and the Pak-Afghan border. One of the Colonel's friends who had reached Peshawar that day after an overland journey from Chitral had said that he had heard reports in Dir City to the effect that "a group of Masuds" had been fired upon in Bajaur. Several Masuds reportedly had been killed in the skirmish. Reports of a Minor Skirmish in Bajaur and of Dissatisfaction of Dir Elders with the Young Nawab, Oct. 30, 1962

American civilian armament specialist (imperative protect source) assigned Air Force MAAG Peshawar obtained following detailed account last night from PAF pilot friend who considered fully informed and reliable source. Local disturbance broke out between April 6 and 8. When political agents unable cope with situation PAF called in perform daily reconnaissances including daily air drop leaflets approx April 9-11 calling for ceasefire. On fourth day, (probably April 12) tribals fired on Pak planes damaging wing of one F-86 with "bazooka" shells. (American civilian inspected plane this morning in PAF station hangar Peshawar, which "off limits" to MAAG personnel until today, and personally verified wing damage. Civilian also obtained identification of pilot as Squadron Leader Rehmat Khan who is friend of Con officers, son of Nawab of Tank and happened participate in last important PAF airstrike on tribal territory late 1961). According PAF source, damage to F-86 deeply offended PAF which delivered "4-hour ultimatum" to tribals concerned (whether on own hook or higher authority unknown) and then carried out punitive attack on homestead of one offending Malik (presumably afternoon April 13) using rockets and napalm. Information received from AmCon Peshawar, April 21, 1963

News of tribal trouble and PAF air action Bajaur becoming common knowledge and subject muted conversation Peshawar, particularly among newsmen who obviously being restrained from reporting events known to them and others. ... Source stated dissidents being led by Dilawar Khan, believed by consulate to be one of two leading Bajaur Maliks who cooperated with GOP in ambushing and repulsing Afghan Lashkar September 1960. Source opined Afghan agents playing at most minor role in fomenting latest disturbances Bajaur. Telegram from Karachi Embassy, April 25, 1963

The "Conquerer of Bajaur" then asserted that he and the Army officer, Lt. Colonel ABDUL QARIM, now the Commandant of the Bajaur Scouts, had used generous bribes and impressive threats to induce the two maliks to cooperate with them in preparing an ambush. The ambush was laid and, with the "help" of a detachment of the Baluch Regiment Special Force from Cherat, over 1200 of the Afghan lashkar had been killed with a loss of "about eighty of us." Events Which Led to Ambush of Afghan Lashkar in Bajaur in September 1960, as Described by the "Conqueror of Bajaur," April 25, 1963.

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Postby kgoan » 06 Oct 2004 00:23

Paul Wolf's site is quite well known.

The section on Psychological warfare (OSS Morale bit especially) is legendary.

BTW: Folks on a modem should not even *think* of downloading the site. The Central Asia section, which includes Pakistan and Afghanistan is 72 plus Mb by itself.

The whole site, including the Central American and Political and Psychological sections comes in at over 200 Megs.

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Postby ManuJ » 06 Oct 2004 00:44

How do you download a website using IE? Do you need special software?

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Postby svinayak » 06 Oct 2004 01:43

BR had this site posted before.
Please copy this site to your local drive since this is a good reference.

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Postby Cybaru » 06 Oct 2004 01:59

ManuJ wrote:How do you download a website using IE? Do you need special software?


Special software like web whacker...

some are free.. don't remember any at the moment..

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Postby svinayak » 06 Oct 2004 02:04

ManuJ wrote:How do you download a website using IE? Do you need special software?


Freesoftware
http://www.download.com/Download-Manage ... ml?tag=dir

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Postby ManuJ » 06 Oct 2004 02:18

acharya wrote:
ManuJ wrote:How do you download a website using IE? Do you need special software?


Freesoftware
http://www.download.com/Download-Manage ... ml?tag=dir


Thanks acharya, I too found a free software and tried it out - works just fine :) Its called WinHTTrack. Can be downloaded from:

http://www.httrack.com/page/2/en/index.html

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Postby NRao » 06 Oct 2004 02:29

Jagan wrote:great find Rishi,

This is really funny, they really really believe that they were winning the war.
http://www.icdc.com/~paulwolf/pakistan/ ... ct1965.htm


Jaganji,

That is an understatement. Not only do they think they are winning, but the concept of Jihad was very strong even then and to top it all they thought that the US supoorted India with arms. :D

Talk about rewriting history.

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Postby svinayak » 06 Oct 2004 02:32

NRao wrote: Not only do they think they are winning, but the concept of Jihad was very strong even then


The large scale jihad plan of the 1965 was a induced one inside the local populaiton with social experts instigating this mentality. It was not really widespread except for the pathan or the afgan tribes of the NWFP.

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Postby shiv » 06 Oct 2004 10:12

acharya wrote:
NRao wrote:

The large scale jihad plan of the 1965 was a induced one inside the local populaiton with social experts instigating this mentality. It was not really widespread except for the pathan or the afgan tribes of the NWFP.


Take a look at this page from my thalsena site

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