Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby Vips » 11 Apr 2021 20:14

Rakesh wrote::lol:

https://twitter.com/d_extrovert/status/ ... 68192?s=20 ---> Thank you US Navy for the cardiopulmonary resuscitation operation you just performed on the non-alignment lobby in India.


I knew this non-alignment/charting our own independent path nonsense would come up. Remember there is a saying in Hindi:
Dhobi ka kutta na ghar ka na ghat ka.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby Vips » 11 Apr 2021 20:17

kit wrote:
Philip wrote:Now watch the Chins following the US action in the future! With friends like the US,who needs enemies?

Indeed being its "friend" is probably worse than the enemy !!


Philip wrote:Now watch the Chins following the US action in the future! With friends like the US,who needs enemies?


No we need better friends like Russia who advises India to become a part of Chinese OBOR and drop objections to the CPEC. :rotfl:

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby V_Raman » 11 Apr 2021 21:34

India’s fate is tied to China and Pakistan. We are neighbors. It is unfortunate that the 3 cannot make it work :|

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby Rakesh » 11 Apr 2021 22:01

Vips wrote:
Rakesh wrote::lol:

https://twitter.com/d_extrovert/status/ ... 68192?s=20 ---> Thank you US Navy for the cardiopulmonary resuscitation operation you just performed on the non-alignment lobby in India.


I knew this non-alignment/charting our own independent path nonsense would come up. Remember there is a saying in Hindi:
Dhobi ka kutta na ghar ka na ghat ka.

It does not change the fact that India does not want to get into any alliance with any nation. We can call it nonsense, but it is the GOI's policy. They are saying that they do not want a formal alliance. That does not translate into the fact that they do not want to partner. India is looking forward to partnering and is doing so. That is what the Quad is all about. But just because there is a Quad, that under no circumstances should result in India cutting off ties (diplomatic or military) with any other nation that the GOI chooses to maintain.

If the US National Intelligence Council says that Indo-Russian Relations will continue, despite all the Indo-US bonhomie, then obviously India sees value in the relationship. Sayings in Hindi (or any other language) is not going to change that fact. Just as India sees value in the Indo-US relationship via military sales (MH-60R, drones, P-8Is, etc). In fact, those latter two platforms are great force multipliers and the MH-60R is quite arguably the best ASW helo out there.

What FM Jaishankar said is apt ---> the US needs to look beyond the formal alliances that it has been used to in the past. Obviously there are areas of convergence and those are being addressed. But if the GOI feels that her security concerns are being addressed, without getting into an alliance, then who are we to argue otherwise? All alphabet agreements are signed, intelligence sharing is occurring, US-origin platforms are being purchased, annual naval exercises are being conducted and more areas of partnerships will be done if required. So what is the need for a formal alliance? That is the question the GOI is asking.

That nation status can only have validation by being under a particular camp is NOT a geopolitical reality for India. You can thank the British Raj for this view. Nearly nine decades (1858 - 1947) of formal British rule crafted this thinking. Whether we on BRF think that India's worldview is right or wrong, has no bearing on India's policy makers. The GOI will do whatever it feels is best.

Why the need to think of ourselves only as dhobis or kuttas? Must we self flagellate like this? What is the plus in that? This is like during the SE fighter thread. Only Amreeka can rescue India's aviation industry because Tejas is a piece of crap. Amreeka will show us poor SDREs enlightenment and we will walk into that path of enlightenment. And everything will magically turn around. Like really? :lol:

Troubles, They Come in Battalions: The Manifold Travails of the Indian Air Force
https://carnegieendowment.org/2016/03/2 ... -pub-63123

The IAF should revisit some aspects of its current approach. It should be cautious about expanding the Tejas acquisition beyond six squadrons and consider enlarging the MMRCA component with the cheapest fourth-generation-plus Western fighter available. India should also reassess the decision to develop the Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft indigenously and avoid weakening the collaboration with Russia on the PAK-FA program.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby Rakesh » 11 Apr 2021 22:14


Fantastic article. Well written by Vice Admiral Chauhan Sir.

Thank you Sridhar-ji for posting this.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby arshyam » 12 Apr 2021 00:13

Looks like poster "Vips" wants us to completely submit to massa. All hail the one and onlee, the all-powerful massa khan, the magnificent!!

<blow some trumpets or other instrument of choice >

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby Vips » 12 Apr 2021 00:29

arshyam, it is fate accompli. We are just waiting for Russia to start openly favor China disregarding our Strategic interests.

One Caveat though if for some reason US/Western allies go soft on Russia,withdraw all sanctions and allow Russia the financial and political independence to resume playing its rightful role in strategic affairs independently of china, then India will get to enjoy the best of both the worlds.

Otherwise it is just a matter of time....

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby Manish_Sharma » 12 Apr 2021 03:07

Vips wrote:arshyam, it is fate accompli. We are just waiting for Russia to start openly favor China disregarding our Strategic interests.

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Greatest transfer of wealth happened from usa to china.

US consciously chose Dictatorial communist China over Democratic India.

Even after Tiananmen square massacre USA continued to shower China with wealth, in fact more so.

USA never does FONOPs against fellow Anglo nations like Australia Canada.

More we bend more usa will crush....

But usa bhakts always split hair about russia and france. For brown bootlickers of USA; it can't do anything wrong. They want India to suck it up keep taking it.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby m_saini » 12 Apr 2021 03:32

Manish_Sharma wrote:USA never does FONOPs against fellow Anglo nations like Australia Canada.


They do. But i think the issue was the "..by challenging India's excessive maritime claims.." bit. They never say that for other anglo nations or for Japan, SK etc.

Imo this isn't even that big of an issue but it comes at a very interesting time. I think we need to change our mindset that there are "friends" in geopolitics, atleast not if we want to play at the big boys table. Friends exists when one is a dominant player in the relationship, like we're "friends" with Bhutan. So this statement stings because maybe subconsciously we still think that our relations with others are friendships. Almost as if our mentality hasn't caught up with our size.

They chose Chinis even after Tiananmen cause that's where they could make the most money out of.

More we bend more usa will crush....


Couldn't agree more.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby Varoon Shekhar » 12 Apr 2021 03:52

Any American media.commentary on this issue at all, for or against the action?

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby Rony » 12 Apr 2021 04:04

For once, i agree with the Hans to an extent. But pessimist in me says the Hans are overestimating India's resolve and the US rakshaks/Slave lobby in India will force the govt to throw the towel sooner and become a vassal. US rubbing India's face to the ground has trended on Weibo.

India should not harbor illusions over US intentions

New Delhi has always seen itself as a hegemon in the Indian Ocean area, vigilant toward Washington's military presence and activities in the region. Yet in recent years, to cope with China's rise, India has tended to become more tolerant toward US naval operations.

But the US has always attempted to maintain its global hegemony. Given the strategic position of the Indian Ocean, the US will not easily discard its hegemony there, nor will it tolerate any country to share the hegemony with it. This will lead to frictions in strategic interests between the two countries.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby John » 12 Apr 2021 05:25

Can we stick to topic of Naval news and Discussion this is turning into political discussion thread.


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