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Postby Keshav » 13 Apr 2008 23:33

satya wrote:
And in this era of globalisation and universal norms, the most striking thing about Chinese strategists is their unashamed focus on "national" power. The idea of recapturing sovereignty from global economic forces, companies and even individuals is central to the Chinese worldview.


I always find it funny when Westerners like to pass off Western culture and thinking as "globalization" and "universal norms".

Remind me, what's wrong with national thinking, again? "recapturing sovereignty from global economic forces"? These guys are really scared of the Chinese.

It truly is a culture clash if you think about it.

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Postby Brando » 14 Apr 2008 00:23

Well the Ideas of freedom, liberty and justice for all are universal values. Its just that some cultures have not come to realize them, while a majority of them have.

We as Indians have always been under some kind of autocratic rule and through out the ages but the most fondly remembered reigns are of kings who espoused these values of tolerance, diversity, individual freedoms and justice for all.

It is natural that the West would be concerned about the Chinese need to grad their sovereignty back as a LOT of western companies have invested quite heavily in China which has contributed to a large percentage to their growth. The prospect of them losing those massive investments would make any part of the world concerned.

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McGuinty's closed-door meeting with Chinese officials 'reprehensible': opposition


http://www.mytelus.com/ncp_news/article ... ID=2900718

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Postby Kalantak » 14 Apr 2008 11:00

The new right was at the heart of China's economic reforms in the 1980s and 1990s. Zhang Weiying has a favourite allegory to explain these reforms. He tells a story about a village that relied on horses to conduct its chores. Over time, the village elders realised that the neighbouring village, which relied on zebras, was doing better. So after years of hailing the virtues of the horse, they decided to embrace the zebra.


:lol: Chinese were using Zebras. Liars galore in china.

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Postby Sanjay M » 17 Apr 2008 05:49

Chinese Geopolitics and the Significance of Tibet

April 15, 2008 | 0055 GMT
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Postby Philip » 18 Apr 2008 09:46

See how the slimeball,thugus of China prop up murderous despots worldwide.Burma,.N.Korea,Pakistan,Sudan and now Mugabe-who has lost the Zimbabwe election and is trying to hold on by force.China is forming a global chain of despotic regimes led by murderous military regimes and dictators who care nothing for human rights,in its surreptitious attempt to dominate global affairs.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/ap ... .armstrade

Chinese ship carries arms cargo to Mugabe regime77-tonne load includes mortars, rockets and millions of ammunition rounds
David Beresford in Johannesburg The Guardian, Friday April 18 2008

The An Yue Jiang is seen anchored outside Durban harbor, South Africa on April 17, 2008. Photograph: AP

A Chinese cargo ship believed to be carrying 77 tonnes of small arms, including more than 3m rounds of ammunition, AK47 assault rifles, mortars and rocket-propelled grenades, has docked in the South African port of Durban for transportation of the weapons to Zimbabwe, the South African government confirmed yesterday. It claimed it was powerless to intervene as long as the ship's papers were in order.

Copies of the documentation for the Chinese ship, the An Yue Jiang, show that the weapons were sent from Beijing to the ministry of defence in Harare. Headed "Dangerous goods description and container packing certificate", the document was issued on April 1, three days after Zimbabwe's election. It lists the consignment as including 3.5m rounds of ammunition for AK47 assault rifles and for small arms, 1,500 40mm rockets, 2,500 mortar shells of 60mm and 81mm calibre, as well as 93 cases of mortar tubes.

The carrier is listed as the Cosco shipping company in China.

South Africa's national conventional arms control committee issued a permit on Monday for the trans-shipment of the cargo from Durban to Harare. The head of government information in South Africa, Themba Maseko, said yesterday: "We are not in a position to act unilaterally and interfere in a trade deal between two countries." South Africa had to "tread very carefully", given the complexity of the situation in Zimbabwe, Maseko said.

South Africa was not encouraging the purchase of weapons by Zimbabwe, he said, pointing out that there was no UN trade embargo against that country.

But Tony Leon, the South African opposition foreign affairs spokesman, said the shipment was tantamount to "putting a fuse in a powder keg".

Dockers in Durban were refusing last night to unload the ship. The SA Transport and Allied Workers Union's general secretary, Randall Howard, said: "Satawu does not agree with the position of the government not to intervene with this shipment of weapons. Our members will not unload this cargo, neither will any of our members in the truck-driving sector move this cargo by road."

Despite international criticism, the Chinese government has been a longstanding backer of Zimbabwe president Robert Mugabe's authoritarian regime, supplying it with jet fighters, military vehicles and guns. China, or Chinese businesses, are reported to have sold radio-jamming devices to prevent independent stations from contradicting the state-controlled media, and have signed vital agriculture deals. Even the blue tiles on Mugabe's latest 25-bedroom mansion, reminiscent of Beijing's Forbidden City, were a gift from China.

China has in the past used its veto at the UN security council to prevent the Zimbabwe issue from being raised, on the grounds that the country's problems were an internal matter.

In Britain, William Hague, the shadow foreign secretary, said last night: "The international community must speak with one voice on Zimbabwe. We call on China, as part of that community, to suspend arms sales to Zimbabwe.

"The Mugabe regime continues to deny the right of the people of Zimbabwe to choose their leaders. To supply arms to it at time when opposition activists are being intimidated and attacked, not only sends the wrong signal, but will harm the reputation of China.

"In addition, it is time that neighbouring states like South Africa made clear that such shipments are not welcome."

The Foreign Office was more cautious. A spokeswoman said that Britain backed an EU ban on arms sales to Zimbabwe and was encouraging other governments to do the same. The FO said it was monitoring the situation and seeking to verify reports about the ship's cargo.

A spokesman for China's foreign ministry said it was aware of the reports about the shipment, but needed more time to look into the matter.

The disclosure about the ship's cargo follows claims by an official from the Zimbabwe opposition Movement for Democratic Change that Chinese soldiers had been seen in the country.

There were some signs yesterday that South Africa may at last be bending under international pressure, when the cabinet joined calls for the release of Zimbabwe's election results.

Zimbabwe's opposition leader, Morgan Tsvangirai, called on South Africa's president, Thabo Mbeki, to stand down as the chief mediator in the country's election crisis, as the US criticised African governments for lack of action on the issue. "It is time for Africa to step up," the US secretary of state, Condoleezza Rice, said.

Tsvangirai told a news conference in Johannesburg: "President Mbeki needs to be relieved from his duty."

Mbeki, is also under pressure from Jacob Zuma, the leader of the ruling African National Congress. Zuma has adopted a more hostile attitude towards Mugabe, saying that "the region cannot afford a deepening crisis in Zimbabwe".

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Postby Nayak » 18 Apr 2008 17:29

CNN IBN blurb says, India is reactivating its airbase near karakoram highway after nearly 40 years.

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Postby Paul » 18 Apr 2008 17:35

Is it Daulat Beg Oldi? It is well known for Air Com. Mehar Singh's blockade breaking flights to Leh in 1948.

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Postby SK Ram » 18 Apr 2008 18:43

Nayak wrote:CNN IBN blurb says, India is reactivating its airbase near karakoram highway after nearly 40 years.


could you pls post a link .

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Postby Nayak » 18 Apr 2008 18:55

Dude its on TV. Vishal Thapar was screaming on the airwaves that India has decided to send a tough message to Chicoms by re-opening this base.

It is just a stones throw from the highway.

No weblinks, sorry.

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Postby sunilUpa » 18 Apr 2008 19:03

SK Ram wrote:
Nayak wrote:CNN IBN blurb says, India is reactivating its airbase near karakoram highway after nearly 40 years.


could you pls post a link .


India dares the dragon, set to restart airfield

[quote]New Delhi: India is reactivating a military airfield which it operated 43 years ago and is a stone’s throw away from the Karakoram Pass held by China.


The last time India landed a fixed-wing aircraft at Daulat Beg Oldie airfield in northeastern Ladakh was in 1965. Landing fixed-wing at the airfield will enable India to induct troops swiftly.


"DBO (Daulat Beg Oldie) becomes very, very crucial because our troop strength there may have to be increased 10 times (in the event of a conflict). And if that happens when roads are in disuse, the only way will be to induct troops by air—that’s what was done during 1962,â€

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Postby Venkarl » 18 Apr 2008 19:25

Nayak wrote:Dude its on TV. Vishal Thapar was screaming on the airwaves that India has decided to send a tough message to Chicoms by re-opening this base.

It is just a stones throw from the highway.

No weblinks, sorry.


http://www.ibnlive.com/videos/63546/ind ... field.html

this guy reports as if hell is breaking on earth in another 2 minutes....

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Postby satya » 18 Apr 2008 19:42

India is reactivating a military airfield which it operated 43 years ago and is a stone’s throw away from the Karakoram Pass held by China.


The last time India landed a fixed-wing aircraft at Daulat Beg Oldie airfield in northeastern Ladakh was in 1965. Landing fixed-wing at the airfield will enable India to induct troops swiftly.


Re-activating of such airfields in both Ladakh & Arunchal Pradesh clearly shows IA & IAF's confidence in any future engagement with PLA & PLAAF in particular.( As per my basic understanding of such air-fields , only those armies operate it so near the base who are sure to keep it operational under war-conditions so it certainly is a imp. statement )

I guess it should silence the critics of IA & IAF and talks of Arunchal being a walk over for PLA as and when should it so decide . :evil:

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Postby sanjaychoudhry » 18 Apr 2008 20:08

Kalantak wrote:
The new right was at the heart of China's economic reforms in the 1980s and 1990s. Zhang Weiying has a favourite allegory to explain these reforms. He tells a story about a village that relied on horses to conduct its chores. Over time, the village elders realised that the neighbouring village, which relied on zebras, was doing better. So after years of hailing the virtues of the horse, they decided to embrace the zebra.


:lol: Chinese were using Zebras. Liars galore in china.


It is a stupid analogy. The Chickoms killed people who were already using zebras and ruled over their country claiming that only horses could provide a system to ensure justice and wealth for all. People who were using zebras were declared enemies of the people and killed, jailed or sent to correction camps to brainwash them that horses were better for human race.

Now, the Chickoms have found that they were wrong and the zebra owners were right all along, and they screwed a country for 50 years by imposing horses for everyone. Now that zebras have been declared better for human race, Chickom should be declared illegal usurpers of political power because their entire revolution was in the name of the horses. What business do they have to claim moral superority over citizens if the latter's zebras were much better all along? Since the horses have been discarded, is there any reason that people who propunded the theory of the horses should still be around ruling that country?

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Postby ramana » 18 Apr 2008 21:10

Venkarl wrote:
Nayak wrote:Dude its on TV. Vishal Thapar was screaming on the airwaves that India has decided to send a tough message to Chicoms by re-opening this base.

It is just a stones throw from the highway.

No weblinks, sorry.


http://www.ibnlive.com/videos/63546/ind ... field.html

this guy reports as if hell is breaking on earth in another 2 minutes....


From PRC and CPM prespective it is most definitely so 8)

Really folks one has to understand the Marxist interpretation of Indian history to see why PRC gets a free pass from DIE and Commies. Oddly enough its in a book on art!

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Postby Paul » 18 Apr 2008 21:31

Daulat Beg Oldi was activated long time ago. India had announced it's plans to activate this airfield in 2005.

What is interesting is that this is being sensationalized by CNN-IBN now.


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Unprecidented Chinese military build up against India


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1 August 2005: China is rapidly setting up a massive road and rail network in the Tibetan plateau, a listening post in occupied Aksai Chin, and repositioning likely nuclear missiles against India, in moves not only aimed at overwhelming India militarily, but to enable Chinese coercive diplomacy in respect of the border dispute.

Using the plea of socio-economic development, China has commissioned the construction of a $3.5-billion western highway network linking Lhasa with Urumqi in Xinjiang province that is infested with Islamic separatists, terrorists and fundamentalist groups.

The fully metallic highway will be extended to Kasghar bordering Central Asia and Hotan, and it will be capable of carrying loaded battle tanks and heavy armoured carriers, while selective commercial activity will be allowed on it to flood neighbouring countries, including India, with cheap Chinese products.

Besides the highway, China will operate the 1,236-kilometre Golmund-Lhasa-Quinghai-Tibet Railway (QTR) network next year, even after Swiss mountain tunnel experts gave up the project as unviable. In the next twenty years, the QTR network will reach the Inner Mongolia Autonomous Region.

QTR will bring Tibet under China’s iron grip but simultaneously triple the PLA’s offensive power against India, with reinforcements reaching from the Beijing and Shanghai military regions in eighteen instead of the earlier eighty hours. Besides, the PLA’s Rapid Response Group could be deployed in less than twelve hours to carry out surprise raids on Indian territory from Gansu and Shannxi provinces.

The Indian response is to upgrade the Daulat Beg Oldi outpost in Ladakh with advanced communication systems, but this won’t match the PLA’s military responses, which, on the strength of the QTR network and western highway, will deploy two divisions of troops complete with support systems.

In addition to the troops and rapid deployment strengths, China also plans to resettle five lakh mainly Han nationals in Tibet, both to increase social and commercial activities, and to counter Uighur separatism in Xinjiang and keep down Tibetan uprisings. The Xinjiang region saw three-hundred-and-sixty incidents of anti-Chinese activities last year alone mainly spearheaded by East Turkistan groups. China is reorganising its military responses in Tibet in case the situation goes out of control.

In addition to the road and rail networks, China is building a listening facility in occupied Aksai Chin, under the cover of two massive helipads that can station four helicopter squadrons. Sources say the listening stations will monitor Indian deployments in the region, eavesdrop on forward and intelligence communications of the army, and even intercept US radio traffic in anti-terror operations in Afghanistan and Russian border reconnaissance in the Central Asian republics.

But the helipads on their own will give extraordinary heli-mobility to the PLA, and the PLA airforce already bolstered with four big airstrips is getting two more. “The infrastructure and force build up to neutralise India’s military preparedness is enormous,â€
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Postby Rye » 18 Apr 2008 21:34

CNN needs to be thrown out of India pronto -- they are rotten troublemakers upto no good doing the US State Dept.s job (with the Indian govt.'s permission, it would seem )
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Postby Rahul Shukla » 18 Apr 2008 22:00

Click here, scroll down the page and click on the indo-china western sector map. It opens up a new tab with a high-res. version of the map where you can see the location of Daulat Beg Oldi.

And 'stone's throw away' sounds really exaggerated. Gawd, this place is even closer... :shock:

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Postby svinayak » 18 Apr 2008 23:38

Rahul Shukla wrote:Click here, scroll down the page and click on the indo-china western sector map. It opens up a new tab with a high-res. version of the map where you can see the location of Daulat Beg Oldi.

And 'stone's throw away' sounds really exaggerated. Gawd, this place is even closer... :shock:

Can India go upto Dahongliuton and hold it for long term.

Remote areas have to be occupied

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Postby Venkarl » 19 Apr 2008 01:44

Paul wrote:Daulat Beg Oldi was activated long time ago. India had announced it's plans to activate this airfield in 2005.

What is interesting is that this is being sensationalized by CNN-IBN now.


I feel that general Indian public is being manipulated here. This article says, it was activated in 2005 itself.(Why in 2005? why not during NDA's ruling when Fernandez has openly stated China as a threat to India??)
and why did UPA bring this out now in 2008. Is it all about timing to convince Indians (after all this Pro-Olympic stance) that UPA is not bending to chinese??

and if it was activated way back in 2005?? I think by now troop build up should be good enough?? will this base be used by forward mountain regiments which got sanctioned last year??

OMG..I am lost..can some enlightened ones read between these sequence of events and put up their thoughts here??

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Postby SK Ram » 19 Apr 2008 10:11

Acharya wrote:.......
Can India go upto Dahongliuton and hold it for long term.

Remote areas have to be occupied




http://vayu-sena.tripod.com/pix/kashmir ... in_map.jpg

From the map it would require the indian forces to cover a lot of the disputed territory . IMO chances of any GoI allowing for that to happen covertly or overtly is bleak . Ironically , had China covered a similar distance into our territory - not just disputed territory - there would probably not be much of a hue and cry about it apart from a few people crying hoarse but falling on deaf ears.

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Postby Gus » 19 Apr 2008 13:02

from vanity fair..a good read.

http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/featu ... rentPage=3
[quote]....Much is made of Beijing’s rising arts scene and the existence of an unofficial counterculture here—as if such departures from uniformity amount to significant openings for personal expression and creativity. It’s nonsense. The arts are impotent by definition, the counterculture is pretend, and creativity is allowed to flourish only in measure of its irrelevance to power. Ultimately this will prove to be a huge problem for China—larger than pollution or quarrels with Taiwan. As it is today, no one turns to China to learn about anything but China itself. This is an ominous reality for a would-be world leader, and is one reason we will likely never see the “Chinese centuryâ€

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Postby satya » 21 Apr 2008 01:59

[url=http://www.southasiaanalysis.org/papers27/paper2675.html]CHINESE LEADERSHIP UNABLE TO CONTROL NEO RED GUARDS-Sh.B Raman
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It is learnt that the Chinese leadership is facing difficulty in controlling the Neo Red Guards, who have let loose an anti-foreigners and anti-Buddhists campaign to protest against foreign support to the freedom struggle of the Tibetans and against the attacks on the Olympic Flame during its recent passage through London and Paris.

2. Whereas the protests in China are till now directed only against the French, the protests by the overseas Chinese are directed against the authorities of the UK, France and the US and the media of those countries. It is learnt that the protests inside China as well a broad are being sponsored and directed by the Ministry of Public Security, which is China's internal intelligence and security agency. Mr.Meng Jianzhu, the Minister for Public Security , is viewed by many as the head of the new group of Neo Red Guards, which is increasingly dictating the Tibet policy after the uprising began in Lhasa on March 10,2008, and from there spread to other Tibetan-inhabited areas of Tibet, Gansu, Qinghai and Sichuan.
3.There have been demonstrations against the outlets of Carrefour, the French super-market chain, in Beijing and other Chinese cities. A campaign for an economic boycott of France and French products has also been launched by the Neo Red Guards.

4.Hundreds of overseas Chinese studying or working in the UK, France and the US have been mobilised to protest against the recent incidents in London and Paris during the passage of the Olympic Flame and against the attempts to organise similar incidents in San Francisco, which were, however, thwarted by the local authorities. The orchestrated Chinese anger against the Western media has been particularly concentrated against the CNN, which has been accused of anti-Beijing bias in its coverage.

5. According to reliable sources, the Chinese leadership is worried that if these protests continue, it may foul the atmosphere in the months leading up to the Beijing Olympics of August,2008. The Chinese leadership's dream of projecting the Games as a spectacular exercise in international harmony has been badly damaged. Its appeals for cooling the anti-foreigner campaign have had no effect so far. The Neo Red Guards are reportedly of the view that countering what theysee as an international conspiracy to bring about a splitting-up of Tibet and Xinjiang from China is more important than holding the Olympics in harmony. They are, therefore, not worried about the likelyadverse impact of their campaign on the Olympics.

6.As part of its Patriotic Re-education campaign, the Ministry of Public Security has ordered all Buddhist monasteries in the Tibetan-inhabited areas to fly the Chinese national flag side by side with their religious flag. The monks have been resisting this order. The number of arrests so far is estimated to be more than two thousand. These figures include those arrested for their suspected participation in the violent incidents after March 10, those detained as a preventive measure and those arrested for refusing to fly the Chinese national flag.

7. The orders issued by the Ministry of Public Security to fly the Chinese national flag do not apply to the places of worship of the Muslims in the Xinjiang province.

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Postby Kalantak » 22 Apr 2008 19:33

Chinese arms ship called back after African ports refused to allow the ship to dock

The China Ocean Shipping Company (COSCO) Tuesday called home a ship carrying arms to Zimbabwe after African ports refused to allow the ship to dock.

The ship An Yue Jiang carrying 77 tonnes of weapons and ammunition could not dock at African harbours due to a call for a boycott of the ship by the International Transport Workers' Federation (ITF).

Earlier today, a Namibian rights organization had been preparing Tuesday to go to court to try to stop the Chinese freighter from offloading at Walvis Bay port in Namibia.

Speculation in Namibia was rife about whether the ship, which hightailed it out of Durban harbour after a court there barred the transport of the cargo across South Africa, would try to access Zimbabwe via the Atlantic coast port of Walvis Bay in Namibia or the harbours of Namibe or Luanda in Angola.

Namibia also has close ties with both Zimbabwe and China dating back to its liberation struggle that brought about independence from South Africa in 1990.

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Postby Kalantak » 28 Apr 2008 11:13

Bulldozed for Olympic splendour

By Jill Drew, The Washington Post

"Are we going to host the Olympic Games this way?" a woman shouted. "To force civilians to move away?"

Su Xiangyu realised his house would be the next to face the bulldozer when a beefy man pulled up a crate and sat down near Su’s front door. The man didn’t say anything. Just sat and smoked. Watched Su and waited.

“He showed up after Wang Lianmin’s house was demolished,â€

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Postby Singha » 29 Apr 2008 18:27

demolitions are nothing new, the shiny new business districts and ultra-wide avenues and parks came up on old settlements mostly.

peace , progress and development with the developers making huge profits from the difference between sale price - compensation.

the Party apparatus receives its due share from developers.

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Postby Sanjay M » 04 May 2008 04:59

China's new South Pacific influence
By Nick Squires
BBC, South Pacific

As China extends its economic and political potential in the world, nowhere is too remote or too small to merit Beijing's interest, not even the tiny nations which slumber in the South Pacific.

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Postby ramana » 04 May 2008 11:13

Interesting slideshow on PRC after Mao to present times:

http://www.slideshare.net/sirmartin/fal ... -of-china/

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Postby Karan Dixit » 05 May 2008 09:30

"China is using the occasion to host the 2008 Olympics as an opportunity to further demonise the Uighur people's legitimate and peaceful struggle and justify its heavy-handed repression in East Turkestan," she said.

China plans to bring the torch to Xinjiang on June 25-27 as part of a relay through the mainland that began on Sunday in the lead up to the August Olympics.

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Postby shyam » 12 May 2008 00:07

The worrisome rise of pro-China youth
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If China ever were to become a truly free political system, it might actually become more, not less, aggressive.
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Academics I know, members of the Tiananmen generation, are shocked by some students' disdain for foreigners and, often, disinterest in liberal concepts such as democratization.

Beijing has long encouraged nationalism. Over the past decade, the government has introduced school textbooks that focus on past victimization of China by outside powers. The state media, such as the People's Daily, which hosts one of the most strongly nationalist Web forums, also highlight China's perceived mistreatment at the hands of the United States and other powers.
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Some officials privately worry that nationalist protests, even ones targeting other countries, ultimately will transform into unrest against Beijing, like previous outbursts of patriotism in China before communist rule in 1949, which eventually turned into nationwide convulsions.
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Many Chinese academics, for example, believe that, at least in the early going, a freer China might become a more dangerous China.

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Postby derkonig » 12 May 2008 14:59

Earthquake measuring 7.8 on Richter scale hits the Hans.

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Postby shyam » 13 May 2008 06:17

Chinese Internet censorship: An inside look
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In some hotels and other buildings that cater to Western visitors, the controls may be somewhat relaxed. The authorities don't really care that much about what non-Chinese citizens are able to find. But from my apartments in first Shanghai and now Beijing, I was not able to reach a wide variety of sites – including, often, my own blog at the Atlantic – unless I connected through a VPN. As a matter of course I fire up my VPN at the start of any online session, not just for security but because otherwise I'll be blocked the first time I try a Wikipedia or Technorati link.
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My friend Eamonn Fingleton, says in a new book about China (In the Jaws of the Dragon) that many kinds of government control in China are surprisingly effective precisely because they are so variable and unpredictable in the way they're enforced. Fingleton uses the term "selective enforcement" to describe this process; some Chinese people refer to it by a Chinese saying that boils down to, "One eye open, one eye shut." The idea is that if you're never quite sure when, why and how hard the boom might be lowered on you, you start controlling yourself, rather than being limited strictly by what the government is able to control directly.

When it comes to the Internet, this haziness about just what is and is not permissible has two implications. At a purely technical level, it makes it harder to reverse-engineer the firewall's filters. One day, you can reach all pages at the BBC. The next day they're blocked. {this explains why some people complained that BR is not accessible from China while some could } If you're trying to game out the system, you're stymied. And at a social level, it makes it hard for people to be sure that they're ever operating in a truly safe zone, since the rules of enforcement might shift tomorrow.
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When you can't reach a site from a computer in China, you're never quite sure what's happened. Is the problem with your ISP? With the site itself? Or is the firewall? You never know for sure. :lol:
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No. To begin with, not that many of them are even aware of it. The government discourages upfront discussion of the Great Firewall's existence, what sites or search terms are forbidden, etc. Moreover, to the extent people are aware of it, indications are that they are hardly up in arms. My wife, Deborah Fallows, represents the Pew Internet project in China. In March of this year she released a study showing that a strong majority of Chinese Internet users welcomed the idea of controls over Web content and thought it was only natural that the government would do the controlling. This is a startling concept to many Westerners, but she explains the logic of it here.

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Postby niran » 13 May 2008 09:36

derkonig wrote:Earthquake measuring 7.8 on Richter scale hits the Hans.


some facts
The Sichuan plain is one of China’s most fertile areas, but it relies heavily on an irrigation system linked to the 2,000-year-old Dujiangyan flood control works – which means the quake could exacerbate inflation, already running at the fastest pace in 12 years.

The quake is also the worst to hit China in 32 years since the 1976 Tangshan earthquake in northeastern China where up to 300,000 died.

It has come at a bad time for China, which holds the Olympic Games in August, and has been struggling to keep a lid on unrest in ethnic Tibetan areas and the heavily Muslim northeastern Xinjiang region.
Around 10000 already reported"Officially".

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Postby sum » 13 May 2008 11:36

Any reports of damage to their Chengdu based PLA HQ or the aircraft factory??

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Postby derkonig » 13 May 2008 11:50

Just wondering,
Chengdu & Sichuan is not very far off from our NE esp. Arunachal, so they must have felt the tremors. Are things fine in the NE? BRF birathers from NE, can they confirm?

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Postby Lalmohan » 13 May 2008 12:18

this earthquake has been caused by the movement of the Indian plate against the Asian plate. The Himalaya have probably gained a few inches and the Chinese mainland has felt the shocks.

Cunning Yindu plan all along - in fact a special DRDO project, just like the Karakorum earthquake in the land of the pure. Who needs Agni?!

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Postby Karan Dixit » 18 May 2008 10:24

A UK search and rescue team who flew to China after the earthquake have been denied visas and forced to return home without being able to help.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7406292.stm

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Postby Gus » 18 May 2008 12:00

shyam wrote:Chinese Internet censorship: An inside look
The idea is that if you're never quite sure when, why and how hard the boom might be lowered on you, you start controlling yourself, rather than being limited strictly by what the government is able to control directly.


That is interesting and devious. In such unpredictability, people give up and do self-censoring.


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