Indian Railways Thread
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Theo_Fidel
Pamban conversion to BG is complete.
Trial Runs are now on.
Inaugration May 15th by APJ.
http://www.hindu.com/2007/04/21/stories ... 690100.htm
Trial Runs are now on.
Inaugration May 15th by APJ.
http://www.hindu.com/2007/04/21/stories ... 690100.htm
Making reservations online seems to be a real pain with IR. The site is not so intuitive, and I have no idea about certain terms being used, like RAC, WL, WL55, etc. This is really frustrating.
I need to get a overnight booking from Delhi to Kathgodam, sitting here in Canada, but I just cannot seem to be able to figure out how to do it. The site keeps saying things like "Wait Listed ticket reservation is not permitted on your e-ticket .If you wish to book a waitlisted ticket please replan the same journey for i-ticket.", whereas apparently i-tickets are delivered only within India.
Seems like I will have to abandon the idea of using IR and take the bus route.
I need to get a overnight booking from Delhi to Kathgodam, sitting here in Canada, but I just cannot seem to be able to figure out how to do it. The site keeps saying things like "Wait Listed ticket reservation is not permitted on your e-ticket .If you wish to book a waitlisted ticket please replan the same journey for i-ticket.", whereas apparently i-tickets are delivered only within India.
Seems like I will have to abandon the idea of using IR and take the bus route.
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saumitra_j
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Rocky, go for the e-Ticket on irctc web site. You just have to take the print of the ticket so no need for bothering with deliveries to Canada.
The site is not "very" intutive but it is similar to the manual process of filling PRFs so if you have the experience of standing in long queues etc then it shouldn't be a problem. The nice thing is that when you create an e-Ticket you simply indicate the person who would be carrying the ID and the type of ID (Passport/DL etc) and simply take the print out.
You can make credit card payments and booking the ticket is quite easy.
RAC = Reservation Against Cancellation which means you can travel (albeit sitting) on the day but you don't have confirmed birth
WL=Wait Listed means unless your ticket gets "confirmed" you can't travel at all.
The site is not "very" intutive but it is similar to the manual process of filling PRFs so if you have the experience of standing in long queues etc then it shouldn't be a problem. The nice thing is that when you create an e-Ticket you simply indicate the person who would be carrying the ID and the type of ID (Passport/DL etc) and simply take the print out.
You can make credit card payments and booking the ticket is quite easy.
RAC = Reservation Against Cancellation which means you can travel (albeit sitting) on the day but you don't have confirmed birth
WL=Wait Listed means unless your ticket gets "confirmed" you can't travel at all.
Tribune: Who moved my idli?
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Who moved my idli?
by Shastri Ramachandaran
THIS is really hard to stomach — Indian Railways doing away with idli and dosa. Woe betide the man who came up with the idea of eliminating these southern favourites from the Railways menu. The Indian Railways Catering and Tourism Corporation (IRCTC), which handles catering contracts and services, says that idli-dosa have been taken off on a “trial basisâ€
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Who moved my idli?
by Shastri Ramachandaran
THIS is really hard to stomach — Indian Railways doing away with idli and dosa. Woe betide the man who came up with the idea of eliminating these southern favourites from the Railways menu. The Indian Railways Catering and Tourism Corporation (IRCTC), which handles catering contracts and services, says that idli-dosa have been taken off on a “trial basisâ€
I agree!ramana wrote:Tribune: Who moved my idli?
...The idli-eaters of the world are a formidable force, and hell hath no fury like an idli-eater scorned.
lalloo hai hai!
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http://www.rediff.com/money/2007/may/03train.htm[quote]
he ministry has chosen the 500-kilometre stretch between Delhi and Amritsar for a pre-feasibility study along with a survey of potential users, to determine whether high-speed passenger trains would be economically viable.
It is looking at running trains at speeds of 300 km per hour which would provide speedy connectivity to satellite cities. The aim is to shuttle professionals and students from Amritsar and its neighboring towns to Delhi in less than two hours, thus saving time and making it possible for them to come to study and work in the capital on a daily basis.
Once the studies are done, the work on laying the new corridor, which would be an elevated train corridor, may take of by next year. The cost for setting up the Delhi-Amritsar corridor is estimated to be around Rs 25,000 crore. Currently, the fastest trains from Delhi to Amritsar take a minimum of four to five hours.[/quote]
he ministry has chosen the 500-kilometre stretch between Delhi and Amritsar for a pre-feasibility study along with a survey of potential users, to determine whether high-speed passenger trains would be economically viable.
It is looking at running trains at speeds of 300 km per hour which would provide speedy connectivity to satellite cities. The aim is to shuttle professionals and students from Amritsar and its neighboring towns to Delhi in less than two hours, thus saving time and making it possible for them to come to study and work in the capital on a daily basis.
Once the studies are done, the work on laying the new corridor, which would be an elevated train corridor, may take of by next year. The cost for setting up the Delhi-Amritsar corridor is estimated to be around Rs 25,000 crore. Currently, the fastest trains from Delhi to Amritsar take a minimum of four to five hours.[/quote]
Railway Station to be made world class
http://www.hindu.com/2007/05/10/stories ... 680300.htm
http://www.hindu.com/2007/05/10/stories ... 680300.htm
Staff Reporter
Tenders for the project to be invited shortly
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Special emphasis to be given to cleaning stations and trains
Earnings from transporting goods up by 28 per cent
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BANGALORE: Bangalore City Railway Station will be converted into a world class station and tenders for providing consultancy services will be invited shortly, Praveen Kumar, General Manager, South Western Railway, has said.
Addressing presspersons here on Tuesday, Mr. Kumar said that finalising the services and facilities to be provided at the station was taking time, as there was no model station to emulate in the country.
"Railway stations outside the country have world class facilities but the problem is that our requirements are different from the ones there," he said.
Stations at Bangalore Cantonment, Krishnarajpuram, Tumkur, Bangarpet and Hosur are being developed into model stations, he said. Facilities will be upgraded at Whitefield, Yelahanka, Dharmapuri, Mandya, Hindupur, Bangalore East, Byyapanahalli, Malleswaram, Kengeri and Kuppam. Food plazas, ATMs, pay-and-use toilets, security surveillance are also being planned at many stations, he said.
Revenue
Mr. Kumar said that the South Western Railway was the fastest growing zone among the 16 zones in the country.
Earnings from transporting goods in the zone had increased by 28 per cent — to Rs. 2,640.95 crore from Rs. 2,056.75 crore. The budget grant for South Western Railway had increased from Rs. 511.47 crore to Rs. 833.97 crore, Mr. Kumar said.
Mr. Kumar said 46 km of new lines would be laid between Bangalore and Nelamangala and Kottur and Harpanahalli. Gauge conversion on 210 km of lines and doubling of 114 km of lines will also be undertaken.
Year of cleanliness
He said 2007-08 had been declared the year of cleanliness and special emphasis would be given to cleaning stations and trains. Tenders for mechanised cleaning of trains have also been invited.
Mega Metro station at Minsk Square
[quote]Bangalore: The Metro Rail, which will add a new dimension to the dynamics of Bangalore, will soon change the cityscape. Among many stations that are planned along the rail network, a massive underground station has been planned at the historical Minsk Square.
In a few months from now, the Bangalore Metro Rail Corporation Ltd (BMRCL) will start the spadework at the Square.
The plan is to construct a 1.2-acre station beneath the Square. If someone frets on the heritage of this Square, which symbolises the new Bangalore, here is a respite. “We are adopting cut-and-cover method for putting up the station. We will dig up the entire 1.20 acres at Minsk Square, construct the station, put back the earth and restore it to its original shape and feature,’’ BMRCL sources said.
The entire work will take up 1.5 acres. The authorities will cordon off the construction site and Minsk Square will be closed for traffic during the construction period.
The 50,000 sqft station will have four entrances leading down to the platform and will have escalators. It will have paid area, non-paid area, automatic ticket vending machines, counters and kiosks at the entrance of the platform, which will be 135-metre long and 3-metre wide.
The station will facilitate Metro Rail movement on the Majestic-Byappanahalli corridor.
BMRC sources said the station work will begin simultaneously with the Reach One work between MG Road and Byappanahalli.
Tunnel under Metro station
* The BDA is working out the nitty-gritty of putting up the first-ever traffic tunnel in the country.
* It will connect Minsk Square with Hebbal Flyover.
* To cost around Rs 800 crore, the 8-km tunnel will have two decks of three-lane each.
* Each deck will carry traffic in one direction.
BDA commissioner M K Shankaralinge Gowda told the Sunday Times of India: “The project is still in the concept stage. We are consulting different agencies, which have done similar projects abroad. There are certain engineering challenges regarding the integration of the tunnel along with the Metro station at the Minsk Square. We have to address that first. Right now, we are thinking of going 35 metres below the surface, under the Metro station.’’
A group from Shanghai was recently in the city and made a presentation to CM on building the tunnel. A major advantage of this project is that it doesn’t require any land acquisition and nothing on the surface will be disturbed. The entire work will happen underground and people over ground will not realise the work is progressing. “We will call for expression of interest within a month. After that, we will call for tenders. We may even complete the project in 30 months,â€
[quote]Bangalore: The Metro Rail, which will add a new dimension to the dynamics of Bangalore, will soon change the cityscape. Among many stations that are planned along the rail network, a massive underground station has been planned at the historical Minsk Square.
In a few months from now, the Bangalore Metro Rail Corporation Ltd (BMRCL) will start the spadework at the Square.
The plan is to construct a 1.2-acre station beneath the Square. If someone frets on the heritage of this Square, which symbolises the new Bangalore, here is a respite. “We are adopting cut-and-cover method for putting up the station. We will dig up the entire 1.20 acres at Minsk Square, construct the station, put back the earth and restore it to its original shape and feature,’’ BMRCL sources said.
The entire work will take up 1.5 acres. The authorities will cordon off the construction site and Minsk Square will be closed for traffic during the construction period.
The 50,000 sqft station will have four entrances leading down to the platform and will have escalators. It will have paid area, non-paid area, automatic ticket vending machines, counters and kiosks at the entrance of the platform, which will be 135-metre long and 3-metre wide.
The station will facilitate Metro Rail movement on the Majestic-Byappanahalli corridor.
BMRC sources said the station work will begin simultaneously with the Reach One work between MG Road and Byappanahalli.
Tunnel under Metro station
* The BDA is working out the nitty-gritty of putting up the first-ever traffic tunnel in the country.
* It will connect Minsk Square with Hebbal Flyover.
* To cost around Rs 800 crore, the 8-km tunnel will have two decks of three-lane each.
* Each deck will carry traffic in one direction.
BDA commissioner M K Shankaralinge Gowda told the Sunday Times of India: “The project is still in the concept stage. We are consulting different agencies, which have done similar projects abroad. There are certain engineering challenges regarding the integration of the tunnel along with the Metro station at the Minsk Square. We have to address that first. Right now, we are thinking of going 35 metres below the surface, under the Metro station.’’
A group from Shanghai was recently in the city and made a presentation to CM on building the tunnel. A major advantage of this project is that it doesn’t require any land acquisition and nothing on the surface will be disturbed. The entire work will happen underground and people over ground will not realise the work is progressing. “We will call for expression of interest within a month. After that, we will call for tenders. We may even complete the project in 30 months,â€
Train driver in Bihar asks passengers to push. 
Hundreds of rail passengers got more than they had bargained for when the driver of their train asked them to get out and push.
It took more than half an hour to move the stalled electric train 12 feet (4 metres) so that it touched live overhead wires and was able to resume its journey, officials said on Wednesday.
The incident occurred in Bihar on Tuesday after a passenger pulled the train's emergency chain and it halted in a 'neutral zone', a short length of track where there is no power in the overhead wires.
"In so many years of service in the railways, I have never come across such a bizarre incident," said Deepak Kumar Jha, a spokesman for Indian Railways.
A train's momentum usually allows it to continue moving through neutral zones.
Hundreds of rail passengers got more than they had bargained for when the driver of their train asked them to get out and push.
It took more than half an hour to move the stalled electric train 12 feet (4 metres) so that it touched live overhead wires and was able to resume its journey, officials said on Wednesday.
The incident occurred in Bihar on Tuesday after a passenger pulled the train's emergency chain and it halted in a 'neutral zone', a short length of track where there is no power in the overhead wires.
"In so many years of service in the railways, I have never come across such a bizarre incident," said Deepak Kumar Jha, a spokesman for Indian Railways.
A train's momentum usually allows it to continue moving through neutral zones.
Laloo just wants to make money in the guise of high-speed corridors for passenger trains and other pie-in-the-sky ideas. He should make premium trains cleaner first, improve safety across the board, make stations cleaner and then try this outlandish stuff. Recenlty I had a Bihar experience while travelling in a Rajdhani - rats slinking up and down curtains, wet sheets, food that actually gave my lakkad hajam, pathar hajam stomach some trouble and filthy bogies. Its bad enough paying for such a lousy experience, the train was late by two hours to boot 
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Be careful before you eat that railway food, Laloo's regime is truly revolutionary.merlin wrote:Recenlty I had a Bihar experience while travelling in a Rajdhani - rats slinking up and down curtains, wet sheets, food that actually gave my lakkad hajam, pathar hajam stomach some trouble and filthy bogies. Its bad enough paying for such a lousy experience, the train was late by two hours to boot
http://www.newkerala.com/news5.php?acti ... s&id=30146
Food-in-toilets firm sent packing
New Delhi, May 16 : A catering contractor caught storing food packets in the toilet of a train has been sent packing, the central government told the Delhi High Court Wednesday.
The embarrassing case came up before the court in response to a public interest litigation filed by a lawyer, Varun Goswami. As evidence, he sent a compact disc with footage of food packets stored in the toilet of a commuter train.
The visuals had been shot by a television news channel, India TV, in February.
Attorney General Milon Banerjee, appearing for the railway ministry told the court that the Indian Railway Catering and Tourism Corporation Ltd (IRCTC), the department responsible for giving licenses to food contractors in the railways, has cancelled the license of the guilty contractor.
Banerjee said the IRCTC has also instructed all its contractors to maintain hygiene while cooking and supplying food, and has invited suggestions from ordinary people for improving the quality of food served on trains.
After Goswami's PIL, the bench appointed a committee to inspect railway kitchens in the capital and pantry cars. One committee member, lawyer Kirit Uppal, told the court that food and hygiene standards in pantry cars were bad in about 235 express trains and urged immediate steps by the IRCTC to improve matters.
--- IANS
another one for the archives: apparently a pakpassenger managed to
pull chain and halt engine in a precise 14 meter dead zone between two
electric supply systems which moving trains normally cover on inertia
easily.
http://www.thestatesman.net/page.news.p ... &id=156471
When push comes to shove in Bihar
Statesman News Service
PATNA, May 16: You’ve heard of jump-starting a car and perhaps even seen frustrated passengers give a bus a kick to get it going. But in Bihar, home state of the railway minister, commuters got together to push-start an engine prompting great derision from Lalu’s detractors at his much-publicised railway turnaround.
According to reports, passengers were left stranded after the engine of a train broke down when local commuters pulled the emergency stop chain somewhere between Banahi and Rahunathpur stations in Buxur district.
With the train stuck on the tracks in the sweltering heat for about an hour the fed-up passengers went to ask the driver what could be done.
One passenger recalled: “The driver told us we had two alternatives: either wait for another four to five hours for a replacement engine to arrive from Patna ~ or push the failed engine 60 meters up the track to an electric pole where there was current from an overhead electric wire.â€
pull chain and halt engine in a precise 14 meter dead zone between two
electric supply systems which moving trains normally cover on inertia
easily.
http://www.thestatesman.net/page.news.p ... &id=156471
When push comes to shove in Bihar
Statesman News Service
PATNA, May 16: You’ve heard of jump-starting a car and perhaps even seen frustrated passengers give a bus a kick to get it going. But in Bihar, home state of the railway minister, commuters got together to push-start an engine prompting great derision from Lalu’s detractors at his much-publicised railway turnaround.
According to reports, passengers were left stranded after the engine of a train broke down when local commuters pulled the emergency stop chain somewhere between Banahi and Rahunathpur stations in Buxur district.
With the train stuck on the tracks in the sweltering heat for about an hour the fed-up passengers went to ask the driver what could be done.
One passenger recalled: “The driver told us we had two alternatives: either wait for another four to five hours for a replacement engine to arrive from Patna ~ or push the failed engine 60 meters up the track to an electric pole where there was current from an overhead electric wire.â€
Yesterday, we all have had the experience of pushing the buses and cars around.
Today, we wil push the trains to take them to destination.
Tomorrow, we will push the airplanes to make them fly
(day is not far with the service airdeccan offers, it will ask so that they save 0.00002 ml of fuel)
I believe in a day when we all will give the spacecrafts to mars a slight push
JAI HO LALU MAHARAJ KI
Today, we wil push the trains to take them to destination.
Tomorrow, we will push the airplanes to make them fly
(day is not far with the service airdeccan offers, it will ask so that they save 0.00002 ml of fuel)
I believe in a day when we all will give the spacecrafts to mars a slight push
JAI HO LALU MAHARAJ KI
The story is true, here it is in another newspaper :
Passengers push-start a train in Bihar
PATNA: Believe it or not, hundreds of passengers came out of a train in
Bihar to push it for about 60 metres before it re-started. All this
happened in the home state of Railway Minister Lalu Prasad who takes
pride in having achieved a turnaround in the fortunes of Indian
Railways.
"It was a rare moment when hundreds of passengers pushed a train for a
few metres to reach their destination. This is no joke, it happened
here," said Satyendra Tiwari, who was one of the passengers involved in
that unique effort.
Tiwari, a daily commuter, said the 565 UP Patna-Buxar EMU train had
Tuesday suddenly stopped after some passengers pulled the alarm chain
to stop it near the Raghunathpur station on the Howrah-Delhi Main Line
route.
"Then the driver of the train requested the passengers to push the
train because there was no way out to restart it as it stopped in the
neutral zone - that is, between the two power sub-stations - where
there was no power supply," Tiwari told IANS Thursday.
He said the driver requested the passengers to push the train till the
next point from where the locomotive could get power.
Even hundreds of passengers together failed to push an inch of the EMU
train, which is a lighter train, in their first attempt. They succeeded
only after the engine was de-linked. The engine was later pushed
separately and re-connected with the coaches.
Tiwari said the passengers pushed the train for 60 metres, heaving and
weighing from behind and the sides of the train, under a hot summer
sun.
Authorities confirmed that the local train was pushed by passengers
following a breakdown in the "neutral zone" between Patna and Buxar.
"Though a rarest of rate instance in railways history, it did happen,"
a railway official confirmed.
Railway officials said if a train stopped in a neutral zone and there
is no power supply, it is not possible to restart the locomotive.
They said the overhead cable has neutral zones between two sub-stations
and power supply is not available at such points. Trains pass such
small areas without any difficulty thanks to their momentum.
Passengers push-start a train in Bihar
PATNA: Believe it or not, hundreds of passengers came out of a train in
Bihar to push it for about 60 metres before it re-started. All this
happened in the home state of Railway Minister Lalu Prasad who takes
pride in having achieved a turnaround in the fortunes of Indian
Railways.
"It was a rare moment when hundreds of passengers pushed a train for a
few metres to reach their destination. This is no joke, it happened
here," said Satyendra Tiwari, who was one of the passengers involved in
that unique effort.
Tiwari, a daily commuter, said the 565 UP Patna-Buxar EMU train had
Tuesday suddenly stopped after some passengers pulled the alarm chain
to stop it near the Raghunathpur station on the Howrah-Delhi Main Line
route.
"Then the driver of the train requested the passengers to push the
train because there was no way out to restart it as it stopped in the
neutral zone - that is, between the two power sub-stations - where
there was no power supply," Tiwari told IANS Thursday.
He said the driver requested the passengers to push the train till the
next point from where the locomotive could get power.
Even hundreds of passengers together failed to push an inch of the EMU
train, which is a lighter train, in their first attempt. They succeeded
only after the engine was de-linked. The engine was later pushed
separately and re-connected with the coaches.
Tiwari said the passengers pushed the train for 60 metres, heaving and
weighing from behind and the sides of the train, under a hot summer
sun.
Authorities confirmed that the local train was pushed by passengers
following a breakdown in the "neutral zone" between Patna and Buxar.
"Though a rarest of rate instance in railways history, it did happen,"
a railway official confirmed.
Railway officials said if a train stopped in a neutral zone and there
is no power supply, it is not possible to restart the locomotive.
They said the overhead cable has neutral zones between two sub-stations
and power supply is not available at such points. Trains pass such
small areas without any difficulty thanks to their momentum.
Rly stations to have Wi-Max Internet (Rediff)
Jus' kiddin'....
OK, now watch out for laptop chors in rly stations now on....Wi-Max technology-based Internet will soon be available at railway stations like New Delhi and Bangalore, courtesy Railtel, the telecom subsidiary of the railway ministry.
Railtel has entered into an agreement with US-based Pronto Services, which will create facilities at 50 railway stations through Wi-Max technology.
Wi-max technology (worldwide interoperability for microwave access) is an advanced version of the Wireless Fidelity or Wi-Fi technology, as it can provide broadband facility to a larger area, from 5 km to 10 km. With Wi-Fi, the range is limited to 100-200 metres.
Within a year, Railtel officials say 50 stations will be equipped with this facility.
Jus' kiddin'....
Ravikun, Here is a brief description of how and why this happened.ravikun wrote:Yesterday, we all have had the experience of pushing the buses and cars around.
Today, we wil push the trains to take them to destination.
AI HO LALU MAHARAJ KI
Q. How are phase breaks (AC) or power gaps (DC) handled by the locomotives?
The catenary has breaks or gaps in its electrical continuity every once in a while at points where successive sections are connected to different substations. A neutral section of catenary is usually provided between the two live sections of different phases or connected to different substations. At such points, single locomotives do not drop their pantographs, although on-board equipment such as the traction motors, compressors, blowers, etc. are switched off manually by the driver before the neutral section is entered. The main circuit breaker (DJ) is also opened. (Warning boards at 500m and 250m before the neutral section are provided for this purpose). (Earlier, locos used to routinely drop their pantographs for all neutral sections; this is no longer standard practice.)
In the case of multiple unit operation, however, pantographs are usually dropped on all the lashed-up locomotives, to avoid the possibility of short-circuiting adjacent sections of the catenary. (The possibility is remote, as normally there is no power flow between lashed-up units, hence the pantographs may not always be dropped, depending on the particular operational procedures of a division.)
Q. Why is the neutral section provided with a dummy (neutral or electrically dead) cable? Why can't it be a real gap?
Pantographs of electric locomotives have a spring mechanism or compressed-air assembly that keeps the pantograph pushing up against the contact wire with a certain specific pressure. If the neutral section were not wired and the contact wire simply ceased to exist, then then possibility exists that if the driver has not dropped the pantographs at the time the loco reaches the neutral section, then the pantograph will suddenly rise upwards unchecked; when the loco reaches the other end of the neutral zone, it is then likely to smash into the catenary where the next contact wire section begins. It should be noted that in practice, at neutral sections where it is or was a requirement to drop the pantographs, it has been observed that IR crews almost never forget to do so. But now with more locos and neutral sections coming up which do not require the pantograph to be dropped, this does become a concern.
Q. How do the AC-DC locos (WCAM series) switch from one power source to another on the run?
At DC/AC changeover points as on the Virar-Vaitarna section, WCAM locos can switch from one power source to another without stopping.
About the only time the driver must raise or lower the pantographs when the locomotive is in motion is at the AC-DC changeover point a little north of Virar on the Virar-Vaitarna section -- at a 'dead zone' or neutral section where there is a length of overhead catenary with no electricity supplied to it, between the AC and DC catenaries. This usually extends for a length of about two or three catenary sections. About a kilometer before this dead zone, a sign alerts driver with a '1000 meters' warning followed by another for '500 meters' and then a sign saying 'Dead Zone'.
Going from Mumbai towards Dahanu, the driver shuts most of the equipment in the loco off (air compressor charged, traction motors cut off, motor generator switched off, etc.), then lowers the DC pantograph and just waits while the loco coasts without power through the dead zone. until the AC section of the catenary is reached. At this point, he raises the AC pantograph. After about 30 seconds, the voltmeter shows 25 kV and he restarts the traction and other equipment.
Note that this arrangement of the catenary is different from that at Igatpuri (see above for DC/AC loco switchover). There, all locos have to stop and wait for the line voltage to be switched on in the intermediate neutral section.
Just before the dead zone, there is also a sign, 'Open DS for speeds below 40km/h'. The 'DS' is the main Disconnecting Switch, a manually operated circuit breaker in the DC supply path from the pantograph, that isolates and grounds the 1.5kV DC downstream circuits from the 25kV supply. If the speed is below 40km/h, the driver needs to keep on accelerating until the very last moment and then throw this switch to isolate the DC circuits on the fly.
This tricky manoeuvre is necessary when the speed is that low, because of the danger of losing momentum and stopping in the dead zone without power in case of any adverse conditions like emergency brake application, or brake pipe parting, etc. (The dead zone is one length of catenary and considering the cross-over structures on the DC and AC sides it is nearly two lengths, hence the loco and train have to have enough momentum for the loco to get across this distance).
Q. What happens if the pantograph isn't lowered when the loco enters the dead zone?
Usually there is no problem, if the master circuit breaker of the loco has been switched off. In most cases of neutral sections, therefore, the driver does not have to lower the pantograph. Regardless of this, and whether or not the pantograph is lowered, once the loco enters the dead zone it loses power and will grind to a halt once it loses its momentum, if it cannot coast all the way to the next live section.
Good move to link up Delhi and Chandigargh with high speed corridor ..
High speed rail between Delhi and Chandigarh proposed
The Haryana Government on Saturday agreed in principle to take part in a joint venture for setting up a High Speed Rail Corridor between Delhi and Chandigarh which will halve the travelling time between the two cities to just about 90 minutes. High Speed Rail Corridor which would cost around Rs. 25,000 crore excluding land. The High Speed Rail Infrastructure Development Corporation would act as the project development nodal agency.
High speed rail between Delhi and Chandigarh proposed
The Haryana Government on Saturday agreed in principle to take part in a joint venture for setting up a High Speed Rail Corridor between Delhi and Chandigarh which will halve the travelling time between the two cities to just about 90 minutes. High Speed Rail Corridor which would cost around Rs. 25,000 crore excluding land. The High Speed Rail Infrastructure Development Corporation would act as the project development nodal agency.
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The interest alone of 25 000 crore is about 1800 crores per year (or about 5 crores per day Even if the train 10 000 people per day the cost of the interest alone would e near rs 5000 per ticket. (which is too much, as most prople want to travel for 100 to 200 rupees.
For 25 000 crores you can get
5000 km of 4 laned highway
4 metro systems like the one in Delhi
20 000 km of single lanes for rural areas.
In stead of investing in the highspeed project, why not invest in improveing the metrosystem in Delhi , Chandigarh and goregon. build 400 km of 4 lained highways and run trains with 150 km per hour speeds. Will benefit more people and people will actually be able to afford it.
Even if the train 10 000 people per day the cost of the interest alone would e near rs 5000 per ticket. (which is too much, as most prople want to travel for 100 to 200 rupees.For 25 000 crores you can get
5000 km of 4 laned highway
4 metro systems like the one in Delhi
20 000 km of single lanes for rural areas.
In stead of investing in the highspeed project, why not invest in improveing the metrosystem in Delhi , Chandigarh and goregon. build 400 km of 4 lained highways and run trains with 150 km per hour speeds. Will benefit more people and people will actually be able to afford it.
Rishirishi wrote:The interest alone of 25 000 crore is about 1800 crores per year (or about 5 crores per day
For 25 000 crores you can get
5000 km of 4 laned highway
4 metro systems like the one in Delhi
20 000 km of single lanes for rural areas.
In stead of investing in the highspeed project, why not invest in improveing the metrosystem in Delhi , Chandigarh and goregon. build 400 km of 4 lained highways and run trains with 150 km per hour speeds. Will benefit more people and people will actually be able to afford it.
i agree. make the highway 6-laned (it might already be) and that'll reduce the travel time considerably. no need to spend 25000 crore on high speed rail between cities that are barely 300 kms away.
theres money to be made and lot of bideshi kickbacks to feed on in these "hi tech adhunik tech projects" because of dedicated track and underpasses, uber-signaling and ofcourse imported coaches and locos.
dal chawal roads and 150kmph shatabdis just dont generate so much revenue or press splash for our 'leaders'
dal chawal roads and 150kmph shatabdis just dont generate so much revenue or press splash for our 'leaders'
RailTel to host communication of future.
The highly competitive broadband multimedia market has a new entrant, the Indian Railways. Taking a step toward the future RailTel Corporation of India, a public sector unit under the Ministry of Railways, launched its first network operation centre (NOC) at Mahalaxmi to facilitate the growth of telecom in remote and rural parts of the country.
The NOC in Mumbai will monitor the status of every aspect of the Optical Fibre Communication (OFC) cable circuit, including power supply.
The corporation has also set up three other NOCs — New Delhi, Secunderabad and Kolkata — to be able to manage the network efficiently.
To build a nation-wide network, and add all the top telecom players to its customer list, railway officials say they will need professionally-managed NOC’s.
“RailTel has exclusive right of way to establish an OFC network along the Railways’ Route Kilometre (RKM) networks. Till date, 30,000RKM of optical fibre communication networks have been laid across India and there are plans to increase it to 43,000RKM by the end of 2008,â€
The highly competitive broadband multimedia market has a new entrant, the Indian Railways. Taking a step toward the future RailTel Corporation of India, a public sector unit under the Ministry of Railways, launched its first network operation centre (NOC) at Mahalaxmi to facilitate the growth of telecom in remote and rural parts of the country.
The NOC in Mumbai will monitor the status of every aspect of the Optical Fibre Communication (OFC) cable circuit, including power supply.
The corporation has also set up three other NOCs — New Delhi, Secunderabad and Kolkata — to be able to manage the network efficiently.
To build a nation-wide network, and add all the top telecom players to its customer list, railway officials say they will need professionally-managed NOC’s.
“RailTel has exclusive right of way to establish an OFC network along the Railways’ Route Kilometre (RKM) networks. Till date, 30,000RKM of optical fibre communication networks have been laid across India and there are plans to increase it to 43,000RKM by the end of 2008,â€
This will reduce congestion in Delhi and create satellite towns. Will change north India permanentlyRishirishi wrote:The interest alone of 25 000 crore is about 1800 crores per year (or about 5 crores per day
For 25 000 crores you can get
5000 km of 4 laned highway
4 metro systems like the one in Delhi
20 000 km of single lanes for rural areas.
In stead of investing in the highspeed project, why not invest in improveing the metrosystem in Delhi , Chandigarh and goregon. build 400 km of 4 lained highways and run trains with 150 km per hour speeds. Will benefit more people and people will actually be able to afford it.
No doubt that best bang for buck will come from incremental increase in existing avg train-speed, it'll also be a lot more useful for a whole lot more people than one high speed train.
But
These HS lines wll come up in 2015-2025 timeframe in a $2 to $5 trillion economy, by that time traffic demand for high speed train services will be much higher than what it is today. I would not confuse/compare it with Chinese inter-city/short distance Meglev, in India it may help in creating a huge business corridor with integrated satellite cities besides raising the bar for Railway to a new level with latest technologies, amenities, efficiency, expectations and ultra fast speeds. Japan/France started introducing these type of trains in their respective countries in 1960s so 2015-20 sounds about right time for India.
Also JBIC provides loans at near zero interest rates with long grace periods and ultra long tenures.
But
These HS lines wll come up in 2015-2025 timeframe in a $2 to $5 trillion economy, by that time traffic demand for high speed train services will be much higher than what it is today. I would not confuse/compare it with Chinese inter-city/short distance Meglev, in India it may help in creating a huge business corridor with integrated satellite cities besides raising the bar for Railway to a new level with latest technologies, amenities, efficiency, expectations and ultra fast speeds. Japan/France started introducing these type of trains in their respective countries in 1960s so 2015-20 sounds about right time for India.
Also JBIC provides loans at near zero interest rates with long grace periods and ultra long tenures.
Nice discussion of capital cost structure of different speed bands of high speed rail corridors...
A bullet train to nowhere
A bullet train to nowhere
sometimes....it is so comic to read desi news.Katare wrote:Nice discussion of capital cost structure of different speed bands of high speed rail corridors...
A bullet train to nowhere
Privately owned and operated local train in Mumbai soon.
MUMBAI: The privatisation train is gathering momentum, quite literally. After years of talking about it, the ministry of railways has finally given Western Railway the green signal to invite private players to own and operate an air-conditioned local train in Mumbai.
Over the years, more and more cities have been privatising their municipal services — from the sweeping of streets and garbage collection, to healthcare, water, power and even fire stations. But inviting the private sector to run a service that forms the very spine of life in a metro like Mumbai has a deeper significance.
The train, to be run in partnership with coompanies which will own, maintain and operate it, will be introduced on a pilot basis on the 32-km Churchgate-Borivli section. The Railway Board has cleared the proposal. If things work to plan, the AC shuttle could be a reality by early next year, say sources.
When the idea of an AC train was proposed from within the railways a few years ago, it was laughed off as unviable.
The railways even turned down a similar proposal from the Maharashtra government citing the unmanageable 'super dense crush crowd' in the suburban section. Now, the railways has strategically decided to go the public-private participation (PPP) route. "If the railways does it on its own, there will be issues of crowd control, offering subsidised tickets and high capital expenditure on maintenance," said a senior ministry official. A private player, though, will have the option to price tickets at market rates, appoint additional staff to check ticketless travel and bear maintenance expenses by entering into a long-term contract with the railways.
MUMBAI: The privatisation train is gathering momentum, quite literally. After years of talking about it, the ministry of railways has finally given Western Railway the green signal to invite private players to own and operate an air-conditioned local train in Mumbai.
Over the years, more and more cities have been privatising their municipal services — from the sweeping of streets and garbage collection, to healthcare, water, power and even fire stations. But inviting the private sector to run a service that forms the very spine of life in a metro like Mumbai has a deeper significance.
The train, to be run in partnership with coompanies which will own, maintain and operate it, will be introduced on a pilot basis on the 32-km Churchgate-Borivli section. The Railway Board has cleared the proposal. If things work to plan, the AC shuttle could be a reality by early next year, say sources.
When the idea of an AC train was proposed from within the railways a few years ago, it was laughed off as unviable.
The railways even turned down a similar proposal from the Maharashtra government citing the unmanageable 'super dense crush crowd' in the suburban section. Now, the railways has strategically decided to go the public-private participation (PPP) route. "If the railways does it on its own, there will be issues of crowd control, offering subsidised tickets and high capital expenditure on maintenance," said a senior ministry official. A private player, though, will have the option to price tickets at market rates, appoint additional staff to check ticketless travel and bear maintenance expenses by entering into a long-term contract with the railways.
The project size will be roughly in the range of Rs 5,000 crore. Looks to be a big change.
New Delhi station to be modernised by 2010
The Government hopes to award the New Delhi railway station modernisation project by December this year so that the project is ready by 2010 Commonwealth Games. The Railway Minister, Mr Lalu Prasad, expects the project size to be roughly in the range of Rs 5,000 crore.
Railways said it would decide on the consultant to advise it on design parameters for the station in about a week.
Currently, New Delhi station handles an average of 3.5 lakh passengers per day. Every day, 256 trains, including 78 suburban trains arrive or depart from 12 existing platforms of this station. Four new platforms are being constructed on the ground, which will be ready by end of 2007.
New Delhi station to be modernised by 2010
The Government hopes to award the New Delhi railway station modernisation project by December this year so that the project is ready by 2010 Commonwealth Games. The Railway Minister, Mr Lalu Prasad, expects the project size to be roughly in the range of Rs 5,000 crore.
Railways said it would decide on the consultant to advise it on design parameters for the station in about a week.
Currently, New Delhi station handles an average of 3.5 lakh passengers per day. Every day, 256 trains, including 78 suburban trains arrive or depart from 12 existing platforms of this station. Four new platforms are being constructed on the ground, which will be ready by end of 2007.
any ideas what would be the security considerations of such corridors and how would it be managed. Most countries which have these do not have long running insurgencies. For India shouldn't that also be an important factor.bala wrote:Good move to link up Delhi and Chandigargh with high speed corridor ..
High speed rail between Delhi and Chandigarh proposed
The Haryana Government on Saturday agreed in principle to take part in a joint venture for setting up a High Speed Rail Corridor between Delhi and Chandigarh which will halve the travelling time between the two cities to just about 90 minutes. High Speed Rail Corridor which would cost around Rs. 25,000 crore excluding land. The High Speed Rail Infrastructure Development Corporation would act as the project development nodal agency.
from what I read both cities are expanding toward each other via new townships and industrial estates. what is needed - a 8 lane expressway with service roads and exits into these neo areas not a non-stop railway from CBD to CBD that CANNOT serve the travel and logistical needs of the route.
it will be a money pit and time to pocket commisions from alstom or bombardier, just a political showpiece.
it will be a money pit and time to pocket commisions from alstom or bombardier, just a political showpiece.