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Postby JaiS » 20 Oct 2007 07:10

Sweden Commits to Gripen’s Future

The contract also includes an order for the Gripen demonstrator programme. The demonstrator programme includes the development of a new Gripen test flying platform - Gripen Demo - and a Gripen avionics rig. Gripen Demo will include new features such as a new engine with increased thrust, an AESA radar, increased range, new landing gear, increased weapons and stores capabilities and enhanced avionics structures.

Investment in the demonstrator programme is being made by Saab and its international industrial partners, as well as potential future customers. In April 2007, Norway signed a Letter of Agreement regarding the future development of Gripen, valued at around US$ 25 million. General Electric together with Volvo, Honeywell, Rockwell Collins, APPH, Martin-Baker and Terma are just some of the world-leading aerospace companies that together with Saab, which has already invested some SEK 1 billion (US$ 155 million), are jointly investing in the Gripen demonstrator programme.

“The demonstrator programme gives Gripen a long term value and takes the system into the future. It is gratifying that such big players share our convictions about Gripen’s capability and future potentialâ€

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DataLink display in Gripen - Sensor Fusion.

Postby JaiS » 20 Oct 2007 23:56

From a German website

Translation of the page

Graphical representation of the data link in Gripen-Cockpit

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Note: Underlined data via data link

1. Priority objective at flight level 180 (18 ),
Transmitted by ground control (A)

2. Priority target on a flight level 420 (42),
Submitted by Wing Man 2 (2),

Own goal recorded by radar (X)
a. Length of Line shows (for each contact) position in 40 seconds at the same speed and direction,
Point at the end of the line indicates that the goal of an already friendly combat aircraft.
b. Danger Zone, opposing missile range
3. Secondary to flight level 330 (33),
Transmitted by ground control

4. Enemy air contacts outside the map, direction indicator
5. Friendly Contact air outside the map, direction indicator
6. Self plane,
a. Own missile range
b. Coverage of the onboard radar
7. Status indicator for other aircraft via data link

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Postby Raymond » 21 Oct 2007 00:05

Excellent.Thanks for posting.Only one thing.Cant see the wingman.Or maybe they are too close to warrant another marker.

Hmm..its in BVR mode.Also the scale in the central MFD is possibly in miles.If it is a realistic depiction,I guess you could get an idea about the engagement range with the Amraam. :wink: The right MFD shows the radar picture.Radar has been skewed left.

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Postby Cain Marko » 21 Oct 2007 05:51

Raymond wrote:Excellent.Thanks for posting.Only one thing.Cant see the wingman.Or maybe they are too close to warrant another marker.

Hmm..its in BVR mode.Also the scale in the central MFD is possibly in miles.If it is a realistic depiction,I guess you could get an idea about the engagement range with the Amraam. :wink: The right MFD shows the radar picture.Radar has been skewed left.


i don't understand how the scale in the center image works, the scale range is from 25 to 600, what the hell does that mean? surely, the Gripen's radar isn't giving it tracks that far off (that too in miles)! Can any guru interpret those screens for us arm chair types. Jai, did the website have any interpretation of these images apart from what you put up?

thanks,
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Postby JaiS » 21 Oct 2007 06:20

Cain,

Unfortunately, there wasn't have any more information / interpretatation / details, atleast on that webpage. Hoping to hear from some Gripen experts.

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Postby sunilUpa » 21 Oct 2007 07:56

Cain Marko wrote:
Raymond wrote:Excellent.Thanks for posting.Only one thing.Cant see the wingman.Or maybe they are too close to warrant another marker.

Hmm..its in BVR mode.Also the scale in the central MFD is possibly in miles.If it is a realistic depiction,I guess you could get an idea about the engagement range with the Amraam. :wink: The right MFD shows the radar picture.Radar has been skewed left.


i don't understand how the scale in the center image works, the scale range is from 25 to 600, what the hell does that mean? surely, the Gripen's radar isn't giving it tracks that far off (that too in miles)! Can any guru interpret those screens for us arm chair types. Jai, did the website have any interpretation of these images apart from what you put up?

thanks,
CM.


Well definately I am not a Gripen expert, but how about a radar image linked from a another gripen flying say 150 miles ahead and so on?
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Postby Raymond » 21 Oct 2007 07:58

Cain Marko wrote:i don't understand how the scale in the center image works, the scale range is from 25 to 600, what the hell does that mean? surely, the Gripen's radar isn't giving it tracks that far off (that too in miles)! Can any guru interpret those screens for us arm chair types. Jai, did the website have any interpretation of these images apart from what you put up?

thanks,
CM.

The 800 written at the bottom of the scale is something different.It does not denote the scale.The scale is actually from 0 to 25.

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Postby JaiS » 21 Oct 2007 15:00

Igorr wrote:
Different sources are contradicted about this matter. The manufacturer declared number is 60 km , not 45 ( http://niipp-moskva.ru/ppt/booklet_IPIE_int.ppt ).
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Postby Neethan » 21 Oct 2007 19:30

A saab gripen currently operates with One Volvo Aero Corporation RM12 (F404-GE-400) rated 54 kN dry and 80.5 kN with reheat.- ferry range 3.000 km without drop tanks.

- 800 km combat range.

- 3000 km max. range

it seems the combat range is better than a superhornet.

And with the newly improved engine F414G with a 96KN thrust, it may exceed the above range even further, perhaps to even equal that of the F-18's max range. which is as follows:

Combat radius: 330 mi (290 NM, 537 km) on hi-lo-lo-hi mission
Ferry range: 2,070 mi (1,800 NM, 3,330 km) (range without ordnance( extract from wikipedia.

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Postby Kartik » 21 Oct 2007 20:40

double post.
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Postby Kartik » 21 Oct 2007 20:40

Raymond wrote:
Cain Marko wrote:i don't understand how the scale in the center image works, the scale range is from 25 to 600, what the hell does that mean? surely, the Gripen's radar isn't giving it tracks that far off (that too in miles)! Can any guru interpret those screens for us arm chair types. Jai, did the website have any interpretation of these images apart from what you put up?

thanks,
CM.

The 800 written at the bottom of the scale is something different.It does not denote the scale.The scale is actually from 0 to 25.


its a strange scale if the units are varying from start to end (eg. 800 m to 25 miles) but could be possible..what it does show is that the pulse doppler Ericsson PS-05 radar seems to be able to detect targets out to 60-75 miles (see the target outside the map) but track multiple targets for about 50 miles or thereabouts..AMRAAM ranges seem to be around 35 miles as well..not particularly impressive.

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Postby Raymond » 21 Oct 2007 22:54

Kartik wrote:
its a strange scale if the units are varying from start to end (eg. 800 m to 25 miles) but could be possible..what it does show is that the pulse doppler Ericsson PS-05 radar seems to be able to detect targets out to 60-75 miles (see the target outside the map) but track multiple targets for about 50 miles or thereabouts..AMRAAM ranges seem to be around 35 miles as well..not particularly impressive.

No no that 800 is not within the scale.It could be something else entirely like MFD resolution or something,cant figure it out.

That green zone is around 25 miles which means 40 km..most probably denotes the engageable distance/NEZ.I am not sure about that being not impressive part.I mean what is impressive?Engage at 60-70-80 beyond and you will enter into the Meteor -Amraam D arena.The missiles in use today all have similar ranges.

Wait till you hear about typical launching ranges of R-77 or R-27 series for a 3 sqm target. 8)

About the other displays,as far as I can make out

Upper left dial:Airspeed indicator and Mach meter.Showing the aircraft traveling at Mach .99
Just below that dial there is the G meter and AoA indicator.

Upper center Dial:Artificial horizon

Upper Right:Altimeter showing altitude of 33500 feet.

Below that the fuel gauge.

Large Dial below:
Horizontal situation indicator

Small dial to the right of it:Vertical speed indicator(?)

Below the HSI, the weapons panel,some BVR weapon is currently selected.

Right MFD:Radar picture.Note that the two contacts are well within the radar scan range.

And in the tactical air situation indicator MFD remember that we have no indication of the RCS of the enemy contacts.And the black cone[6b] that could well be tracking range.

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Postby Avid » 22 Oct 2007 01:57

If anyone is interested in this article - I can e-mail the PDF to you:

Automatic generation of ada source code for the Rafale Mission computer

Source: Lecture Notes in Computer Science, Volume 887, 1994

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Postby Avid » 22 Oct 2007 02:51

Perhaps nothing new in this Rafale report but done concisely into a single place.

http://www.tealgroup.com/samples/sample2-wmcab.pdf

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Postby Avid » 22 Oct 2007 02:54

Dassault's own publication "Rafale International" - some interesting updates on the Rafale program.

Here's the info on the first trials with the Exocet missile, the Rafale production, and the Rafale Simulation Centre, plus updates on the
French Air Force Rafales and the Link 16 datalink:
Vol. 9

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Postby Avid » 22 Oct 2007 02:59

More from Rafale International

report on the French Air Force first operational Rafale squadron at Saint-Dizier Air Base, on the final evaluation of the Standard F2 and on the first flight of a Standard F3 Rafale

Vol 10

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Postby Avid » 22 Oct 2007 03:04

Just glossy use for the Rafale Fans

Rafale Brochure


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Postby NRao » 22 Oct 2007 06:37

AWST Oct 15, 2007:

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Electronic Warfare

New F/A-18F Fires Missiles And Electrons
Aviation Week & Space Technology
10/15/2007, page 60

David A. Fulghum
NAS Oceana, Va.

Navy gets flying arsenal with a spectrum of lethal and nonlethal weapons

Printed headline: Bombs and Electrons

The generations-old debate—about the value of two crewmen versus one in a fighter cockpit—is alive as the first Navy squadron of two-seat F/A-18F Super Hornets with advanced radars starts its workup for operational deployment.

Navy bean-counters are pushing for more single-seat F/A-18Es and fewer F-models so they can cut costs by eliminating the weapon systems officer and buying a slightly less expensive aircraft. Fleet warfighters, however, are digging in their heels because the result would be operational loss of capability in precision, multispectral bombing and forward air control for ground forces.

On the operational side at least, the evidence is accumulating in favor of the tandem side of the argument as aircrews of VFA-213 at NAS Oceana, Va., train to the new aircraft. (VFA-213 is the last operational F-14 unit, and it has morphed into the first Block 2 F/A-18F squadron.)

Central to capabilities of the newest Super Hornet variant is a Raytheon-built, active, electronically scanned array (AESA) APG-79 radar. It can detect smaller objects at greater ranges. They won’t say how small and how far, but aerospace industry radar specialists put the radar’s range against tactical-size targets at roughly 100-125 mi. and an electronic surveillance range that’s even greater. With links to other airborne and space sensors, those ranges can expand substantially.

The aircraft’s unique avionics integration also offers crews the flexibility to split their tasks so that they can conduct air-to-air and ground attack missions simultaneously. From the view of tactical planners, “the expectation is that two guys are better than one,â€

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Postby NRao » 22 Oct 2007 06:40

AWST, Oct 15, 2007:

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Electronic Warfare

Growler Capabilities To Be Invented by Aircrews
Aviation Week & Space Technology
10/15/2007, page 63

David A. Fulghum
NAS Patuxent River, Md.

Many EA-18G capabilities will be discovered or invented by operational aircrews

Printed headline: Growler Mysteries

Right now, the U.S. Navy can’t predict what kind of weapon it will have when the first EA-18G Growler squadron becomes operational in the fall of 2009.


An EA-18G Growler in the Navy’s test program sports four ALQ-99 jamming pods. A fifth can be put on the centerline position.

But the service does know that the electronic attack aircraft initially will have the radar and communications jamming capabilities of the EA-6B Prowler and at first will use similar tactics.

The most advanced Prowlers carry Northrop Grumman’s airborne electronic attack package (ICAP-III). Raytheon’s active, electronically scanned array (AESA) radar can see very small air and ground objects with enough precision for targets. The data links can push large target and imagery files around tactical and intelligence networks. Last, and perhaps most importantly for the new world of digital warfare, the jammer would be able to fire sophisticated data streams into enemy emitters.

On a smaller scale, but from much closer range, the Growler will be capable of missions that were once the exclusive territory of the secrecy-shrouded RC-135 Rivet Joint and the EC-130 Compass Call. The RC-135 can monitor enemy communications and other electronic emissions, while the EC-130 can jam and invade sensor and communication networks with sophisticated packages of exploitative algorithms. However, those large, slow aircraft have to operate well outside the range of air defenses, which are now pushing out to beyond 250 mi. with the next generation of “triple-digitâ€

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Postby Vivek K » 23 Oct 2007 18:13

A must read for all Mig-21 critics - F-16 crashes rise!

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Postby Mihir.D » 24 Oct 2007 02:32

Interesting bit from Wiki

The Russian Mig-35, an upgraded Mig-29 is now available for export has a new IRST system integrated with optical and laser systems, and it poses a significant challenge even to the F/A-18E/F Super Hornet and the Dassault Rafale. This system is unique in the amount of tasks it can perform when compared to older IRST systems. It can provide targeting solutions for ground and air targets at up to 15km. It can detect missiles thanks only to the warmth generated by air resistance on their nose and can provide the pilot with a detailed trajectory and it can do all these tasks across the full 360 degrees of the battlefield compared to its contemporaries that usually only provided a certain amount of coverage in front of the pilot.

Was this known before ?

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Postby Kartik » 24 Oct 2007 02:59

fascinating articles NRao..thanks. the F/A-18E/F/G variants are one heck of a capable 4.5 gen fighter..if the IAF is offered true ToT and complete access as desired by the IAF, then the SH is one of the best A2G jets in the world currently.

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Postby SaiK » 24 Oct 2007 03:35

Mihir.D et al, why are we discussing here? JCage has already explained about the Mig guys better spend their time and money on the longer range, AESA LPI radar and other things that should be in the MRCA thread./OT

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Postby Sumeet » 24 Oct 2007 04:25

guys no discussion. if someone feels that there was something interested posted here, then make a reference to that post and spill out your threads in MRCA thread. Please understand that this is "Only a Collection" thread no matter however much the posted info excites you, desist from posting here. Even if you have any questions that are directly relevant to a post here, please put it in MRCA thread. Not here. Thanks.

thanks JaiS. Some more stuff from EADs.

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Postby NRao » 02 Nov 2007 17:23

AWST Oct 22, 2007:

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World News & Analysis

Raytheon and Northrop Grumman Battle Over Radars
Aviation Week & Space Technology
10/22/2007, page 28

David A. Fulghum
Baltimore

Sensor giants face off with generation of airborne radar production as the prize

Printed headline: Electronic Combat

A radar war has broken out that will challenge the 1970-80s engine brawl for intensity of effort, pace of technology advances and potential for capturing defense dollars.

Military planners expect the impact on operations of these next-generation radars to be stunning, because a long-term prediction has finally turned into a truth—the payloads are now more important than the platforms. The great engine war between General Electric and Pratt & Whitney sought to reduce acquisition costs while increasing performance and reliability through industrial competition. Aerospace industry and Pentagon experts say the electronic equivalent has emerged.

“It is the age of super-electronics, and soon we’ll be upgrading radars like consumers now switch their television and home computer technologies,â€
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Postby NRao » 02 Nov 2007 17:26

AWST Oct 22, 2007:

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World News & Analysis

Next-Generation Arrays Reveal New Information
Aviation Week & Space Technology
10/22/2007, page 30

David A. Fulghum
Baltimore

Advanced processing digs deeper into radar data for fast, precise, target ID

Printed headline: Digital Fingerprints

A radar’s performance is impossible to judge with the eye.

The new generation of active, electronically scanned array (AESA) sensors can detect small, distant targets with far more detail than a cockpit display can reproduce. Yet, advanced processing of radar returns can reveal those clues with the clarity needed for instantaneous identification of objects that could otherwise baffle aircrews.

In a recent flight, Northrop Grumman radar researchers agreed to at least outline how those details are gathered. Dodging between storm cells, we used an advanced radar to look at a few military targets including transport aircraft at Dover AFB, Del., and a line of tanks and self-propelled artillery at Aberdeen Proving Ground, Md.

“What you can see are the pixels [in the cockpit display],â€

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Re: Eurofighter

Postby JaiS » 02 Nov 2007 23:01

A press release from May 2007


Eurofighter Typhoon Flies E-Scan Antenna
PR Newswire Europe
May 10, 2007 Thursday 1:03 PM GMT
DATELINE: HALLBERGMOOS, Germany May 10

HALLBERGMOOS, Germany, May 10 /PRNewswire/ -- Eurofighter Typhoon has demonstrated its potential for introduction of new capabilities with the first flight of a Eurofighter aircraft carrying an electronically scanning radar antenna, using Development Aircraft Five (DA5) on 8 May flying from EADS Military Air Systems' Manching facility, Germany.

DA5 has recently been retired from the main Eurofighter Development programme, its primary work completed and future development activities now being focused on Instrumented Production Aircraft. During its earlier programmes DA5 had been the principle test aircraft for the CAPTOR radar currently in service in Typhoon, and was therefore ideally suited to trial the new antenna. The Euroradar consortium of EADS Defence Electronics (Germany), SELEX Sensors & Airborne Systems (United Kingdom), Galileo Avionica (Italy) and INDRA (Spain) had previously tested the antenna in ground rigs and flown it in a BAC 1-11 trials aircraft. This was the first opportunity which had arisen to allow the radar to be trialed in flight fitted into a Typhoon aircraft.

Eurofighter GmbH and the NATO Eurofighter Tornado Management Agency (NETMA) had agreed to use DA5 for this series of antenna test flights, using funding provided by the German Procurement Agency BWB through NETMA. Eurofighter GmbH managed the international clearance process and together with EADS Military Air Systems, resolved life extension issues on certain components in DA5. Support throughout the duration of the trials is being provided by EADS and Eurojet as well as Eurofighter GmbH and its partner companies.

The new antenna emphasises and demonstrates the policy of continuous capability enhancement in the Eurofighter programme, and production embodiment of this feature could be available for Tranche 3 or as a retrofit in Tranche 2 aircraft. While maintaining the excellent performance features of the CAPTOR radar, the new antenna provides a significant reduction in operating costs as well as certain performance enhancements, and can be readily fitted as a replacement for the current antenna with no significant aircraft modification.

The accumulated data from the trials programme of three flights will be assessed and evaluated on ground rigs of the Euroradar consortium, and will be an input to customer considerations on the future development and operation of their Eurofighter Typhoon fleets.

To date 119 Eurofighter Typhoon have been delivered. The nations' fleets have accumulated 18,870 flight hours by end April 2007, the industry test fleet is close to the 5,100 hours mark.

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High Resolution images of the Eurofighter Typhoon can be downloaded from our web site. Hard Copy images are available on request.

www.eurofighter.com/medialibrary

Contact:
Wolfdietrich Hoeveler
Vice President Communication
Eurofighter GmbH
+49-811-801-555 (Office)
+49-170-855-0474 (Mobile)

wolfdietrich.hoeveler@eurofighter.com

Contact: Wolfdietrich Hoeveler, Vice President Communication, Eurofighter GmbH, +49-811-801-555 (Office), +49-170-855-0474 (Mobile), wolfdietrich.hoeveler@eurofighter.com




Another news from May 2007


Flight tests are underway

Aviation Week & Space Technology
SECTION: News Breaks; Pg. 22 Vol. 166 No. 19

Flight tests are underway to implement short- and long-term improvements to the Eurofighter Typhoon.

The Italian air force's first front-line Typhoon squadron has started testing the IRIS-T imaging infrared guided dogfight missile. The unit, based at Grosetto in northern Italy, may deploy with the missile to the test range at Decicmomanu in Sardinia in October for firing trials. Operational test pilots also will be involved.

Meanwhile, the initial flight test series of the Captor Active Electronically Scanning Array Radar (Caesar) for future Typhoons was completed last week. First flight was conducted May 8 in Germany on DA5, a development aircraft, after delays from last year caused by integration problems with the "plug-and-play" concept and in obtaining flight clearance. The radar combines the traditional Captor-M back end with an active electronically scanned array using more than 1,000 transmit/receive modules.

Caesar (see photo) promises greater performance--including simultaneous multi-mode operations--but Eurofighter COO Brian Phillipson believes the shift to electronically scanned technology will be driven more by improved reliability than any other factor. Typhoon core customers (the U.K., Germany, Italy and Spain) have yet to commit to Caesar, which was developed by EuroRadar, a consortium of EADS, Selex Sensors and Airborne Systems, Galileo Avionica and Indra.

The German government has been funding the development program.
Additionally, Norway signed an anticipated letter of agreement with Eurofighter for further technological cooperation. The agreement could be worth up to ?75 million ($101.25 million) in the coming years. Oslo plans a fighter replacement next decade and is staying financially involved with the Lockheed Martin F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, Saab Gripen and Typhoon programs to avoid pre-judging the outcome of the coming competition.


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Postby JaiS » 22 Nov 2007 23:01

From RAF website

The RAF’s newest and most versatile multi-role fighter, Eurofighter Typhoon has dropped its first in-service RAF bomb – and the weapon scored a direct hit on the target at sea off the Welsh coast.

The RAF Typhoon carried out the trial alongside a BAE Systems twin-seat Typhoon carrying a Rafael Litening lll laser pod which illuminated the target. The laser guided the Paveway 2 dropped by the RAF Typhoon straight to the target.

Trials are continuing to perfect its bomb-dropping techniques with a view to achieving an initial air-to-ground attack capability by the summer of 2008. This follows on from the aircraft being declared operational in the air-to-air role, defending UK air space from aerial threats, on 29 June this year.

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Rafale video

Postby sunilUpa » 04 Dec 2007 02:11

Rafale video, audio in French

Rafale on Carrier, audio is in French...

Originally posted by Arthuro pn Aviation forum.

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Postby Ajay K » 04 Dec 2007 03:30

JaiS Posted: 22 Nov 2007 05:31 pm Post subject:

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From RAF website

The RAF’s newest and most versatile multi-role fighter, Eurofighter Typhoon has dropped its first in-service RAF bomb – and the weapon scored a direct hit on the target at sea off the Welsh coast.



Folks, what is the white hock in between the engines?

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Postby Mihir.D » 04 Dec 2007 03:38

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From RAF website

The RAF’s newest and most versatile multi-role fighter, Eurofighter Typhoon has dropped its first in-service RAF bomb – and the weapon scored a direct hit on the target at sea off the Welsh coast.



Folks, what is the white hock in between the engines?


The with tail fins is fuel tank

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Postby Rahul Shukla » 04 Dec 2007 04:09

Ajay K wrote:Folks, what is the white hock in between the engines?

That's the 'arrestor hook' and it's used for emergency landings. The hook catches one of the cables at the end of the runway bringing the aircraft to a safe stop.

Mere presence of an arrestor hook does not mean that the aircraft is cleared for operations on Naval carriers. USAF F-15's have arrestor hooks too.

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Article on EADS's T/R module from 2004

Postby JaiS » 05 Dec 2007 01:08

X-posting my post from 2004

EADS makes active radar a top business priority

Flight International 24-Feb-2004


EADS Defence Electronics predicts a significant growth in business over the coming years for its radar transmit/receive (T/R) modules, to reflect the increasing military interest in shifting from the use of mechanical arrays to more capable active electronically scanned systems.

The company has identified the business area as a top priority for the next five years, and has already made a heavy investment in supporting manufacturing techniques using gallium arsenide.

Each T/R module is roughly 7cm (2.8in) long, 1cm wide and 0.5cm deep, and has a power output of about 10W. Future arrays will be scaled according to the size and requirements of the host platform, totalling from several hundred modules to around 10,000 for ground-based air defence applications, says EADS.

Planned uses for the company's T/Rmodules include their integration with the Captor multi-mode radar now under development for the Tranche 3 standard of the Eurofighter Typhoon,
NATO's planned Alliance Ground Surveillance battlefield-reconnaissance system, and the TerraSAR-X radar mapping satellite, to be launched for the German research organisation DLR and Astrium next year.


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