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Re: Indo-UK: News & Discussion

Postby svinayak » 28 Oct 2009 11:38

Pranav wrote:A grand reception to Mrs and Mr Shekhawat: http://www.hindu.com/2009/10/28/stories ... 081100.htm

What gives? The Brits could be looking for business deals, what with the severe recession.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cx563mblg0Q

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbDtHuOQHpc

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Re: Indo-UK: News & Discussion

Postby gandharva » 29 Oct 2009 11:21

"One in Five Britons Consider Voting BNP, Telegraph Poll Says"

"The BNP, which bars all except “indigenous Caucasian” people from membership, gained its first two European Parliament seats in June."

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid= ... J43ieNLjf4

That would be 22% of the limey population.

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Re: Indo-UK: News & Discussion

Postby Pranav » 29 Oct 2009 12:03

More about the Presidential visit:

Queen Elizabeth lauds India’s courage in facing terror: http://www.hindu.com/2009/10/29/stories ... 441100.htm

Queen's dress provides taste of India at dinner for Patil: http://gulfnews.com/news/world/uk/queen ... l-1.520390

It appears that the warmth of the reception goes beyond what is normally accorded to heads of government. There is a need to analyze any messages that may be implicit. Although, superficially, the role of the British royalty is only ceremonial, one should not dismiss their relevance out of hand. Perhaps they are not at the very center of the Western power configuration - but they are close to the center.

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Mumbhai attacks were not terrorism

Postby Haresh » 01 Nov 2009 15:55

The stupidity of the current Labour government is very difficult for people to understand unless they live here.

This pork muncher $hit is a government advisor and he says "Mumbhai attacks were not terrorism"

Chief prosecutor Keir Starmer advised by radical Muslim

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/p ... 898145.ece

This government is so desperate to appease the islamists in the UK in exchange for votes.
Hopefully things will change after the next election with Cameron, even though he has that bitch Sayeeda Warsi.
If he visits India again she should be denied a visa for her comments about Kashmir.
The new British government should be told in no uncertain terms that if they want big contracts then they have to crack down on anti Indian activities in the UK.

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Re: Indo-UK: News & Discussion

Postby chetak » 01 Nov 2009 17:23

Pranav wrote:A grand reception to Mrs and Mr Shekhawat: http://www.hindu.com/2009/10/28/stories ... 081100.htm

What gives? The Brits could be looking for business deals, what with the severe recession.



Singha is right

"" wow - a 65000t helicopter carrier must be the most expensive of its type in the world
and without the stern docks for LCAC and LSTs of a purpose designed type.""


They have surrendered one carrier in their budget battles. Building the second one for export to India would subsidize the cost of the first one for themselves and also mitigate the risk of expensive spares provisioning.

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Desperate immoral British politicians

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Re: Indo-UK: News & Discussion

Postby Singha » 01 Nov 2009 21:40

thanks for posting this ... it is well said that great empires are always hollowed out by internal disunity and ambitious traitors long before the 'goths arrive at the gates of rome'.

there is another group named islam4UK who are demanding a caliphate and say
the queen needs to wear a burqa in public.

http://www.zeenews.com/news575280.html

excerpt:
London: Radical Muslims, who are seeking to introduce Sharia laws in the UK, have said the British Queen will be forced to wear a burkha and cover up in public, according to a media report.

Abu Rumaysah, spokesman for pro-Sharia campaigners Islam4UK, said the Queen would be forced to cover up in public from head to foot, with only her eyes visible.

"If the Queen decides to go outside she is to cover herself like every other woman," Amjem Choudary, an extremist Islamist leader, was quoted as saying by the Daily Express.

Choudary, the right-hand man of exiled Islamist cleric Sheikh Omar Bakri Mohammed, earlier demanded the royal palace be renamed Buckingham Masjid, and the Mall, which approaches the palace, would become Masjid Road.

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http://www.christian.org.uk/news/muslim ... or-sharia/

A radical Muslim group wants to hold a series of marches in British cities calling for Sharia law to be implemented throughout the UK.

The group, Islam4UK, is fronted by Anjem Choudary.

While publicising the march he called on the Queen and other prominent British figures to become Muslims.

Islam4UK is planning to march on 31 October from the House of Commons to Downing Street and on to Trafalgar Square.

The group says the march will attract “tourists and members of the public” along the route.

Other marches may follow the London demonstration with Birmingham reportedly being lined up next.

Islam4UK said: “We hereby request all Muslims in the United Kingdom, in Manchester, Leeds, Cardiff, Glasgow and all other places to join us and collectively declare that as submitters to Almighty Allah, we have had enough of democracy and man-made law and the depravity of the British culture. :rotfl:

“On this day we will call for a complete upheaval of the British ruling system, its members and legislature, and demand the full implementation of Sharia in Britain.”
{AoA - good luck in the noble mission}

A spokesman for the Metropolitan Police said: “We have received an application for the march but we have yet to meet with the organisers.”

Mr Choudary has previously mocked the deaths of British soldiers, calling a homecoming parade a “vile parade of brutal murderers”.

Recently Mr Choudary attempted to promote the march in an internet video where he called on the political leaders of the country to turn to Islam.

He said: “We invite everyone from the Queen, to the ministers, to the Parliament, from the aristocracy, to the ordinary person in Britain to embrace Islam as a way of life, as a belief.”

He added: “Save yourself and your children in this life from misery and prepare them for a great destiny in the hereafter, paradise”.

He went on to say: “Britain does not need a change of leader, it needs a revolution, indeed it needs an Islamic revolution.” 8)

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Re: Indo-UK: News & Discussion

Postby Singha » 01 Nov 2009 21:43

sad to the see british reduced to looking the other way and pretending these vile elements are chewing up their country.

the celts could fight, so could the wessex. among immigrants most scots have some viking blood , the normans from france were originally again from norse lands, the angles, jutes and teutons could fight.

all I see is a comatose surrender and one arm of the govt sabotating the other.
instead of trying to be a pretend great-power and keeping the Pakistani state in the ICU, they should attend to their own musharaf not being violated first.

apparently they are spending lakhs/day providing MP5 security detail to muskrat. throw him to the dogs and make an example of him atleast.

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Re: Indo-UK: News & Discussion

Postby Hari Seldon » 01 Nov 2009 21:55

sad to the see british reduced to looking the other way and pretending these vile elements are chewing up their country.


I am also trying to be sad.

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Re: Indo-UK: News & Discussion

Postby Rahul M » 01 Nov 2009 22:18

chetak wrote:
Pranav wrote:A grand reception to Mrs and Mr Shekhawat: http://www.hindu.com/2009/10/28/stories ... 081100.htm

What gives? The Brits could be looking for business deals, what with the severe recession.



Singha is right

"" wow - a 65000t helicopter carrier must be the most expensive of its type in the world
and without the stern docks for LCAC and LSTs of a purpose designed type.""


They have surrendered one carrier in their budget battles. Building the second one for export to India would subsidize the cost of the first one for themselves and also mitigate the risk of expensive spares provisioning.

there's some psy-ops in that headline is what I gather from the fellows at keypubs. they haven't surrendered the carrier at all, just deferred on the decision to buy a fighter wing for it.

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Re: Indo-UK: News & Discussion

Postby Karan Dixit » 01 Nov 2009 22:40

Abu Rumaysah, spokesman for pro-Sharia campaigners Islam4UK, said the Queen would be forced to cover up in public from head to foot, with only her eyes visible.


I do not think anyone is interested in seeing the queen uncovered. Infidels and believers are on the same page on this issue.

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Re: Indo-UK: News & Discussion

Postby anuj » 01 Nov 2009 22:58

sad to the see british reduced to looking the other way and pretending these vile elements are chewing up their country.

That's karma for you.

They finally got there "martial race".

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Re: Indo-UK: News & Discussion

Postby Prem » 01 Nov 2009 23:28

[quote="anuj]
That's karma for you.

They finally got there "martial race".[/quote]
Yeh, Karma is powerful, Instead of "martial race" they got "martial fece" which keep stinking.

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Re: Indo-UK: News & Discussion

Postby Malayappan » 02 Nov 2009 08:54

AFTER CORONATION STREET - Britain has a serious white problem on its hands
Swapan Dasgupta

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1091030/jsp/opinion/story_11669393.jsp

Prompts one to ask many wider questions. And in our own situation, the comments by Brahaspatiji on the need for basing regeneration models on indigenous themes comes to mind.

Some excerpts from Swapan's piece -
The sense of white vulnerability, it would seem, is nominally economic. In the rust belt of the Midlands, the Pakistani and black communities aren’t comparatively better off

White rage has been fuelled by the antipathy to a liberal consensus that makes it illegitimate for the non-kosher side of the immigration debate to be heard. When marginalized white English folk read of Islamist outrages in Britain and encounter people who want to reproduce the culture of Waziristan, including the sharia law, in Lancashire, they are both bewildered and angry.

For the moment, what strikes an outsider is the iniquity of suppressing a rounded debate on immigration and multiculturalism. Ethnocentric views of national identity cannot be silenced by legislation or, worse, drowned in a sea of condescension.

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Re: Indo-UK: News & Discussion

Postby Singha » 02 Nov 2009 10:55

I think what is already happening and will accelerate is the economically weaker section of UK will emigrate to Australia and to some extent NZ.

the space they vacate will be occupied mostly by new settlers from P and BD :rotfl:

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Re: Indo-UK: News & Discussion

Postby Sriman » 02 Nov 2009 12:09

Singha wrote:I think what is already happening and will accelerate is the economically weaker section of UK will emigrate to Australia and to some extent NZ.

the space they vacate will be occupied mostly by new settlers from P and BD :rotfl:

Canada as well..

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Re: Indo-UK: News & Discussion

Postby arun » 02 Nov 2009 17:14

British civil servant says 26/11 not a terror attack :evil: :

PTI

The Sunday Times article mentioned by PTI is available here:

Chief prosecutor Keir Starmer advised by radical Muslim

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Re: Indo-UK: News & Discussion

Postby Malayappan » 02 Nov 2009 17:46

arun wrote:The Sunday Times article mentioned by PTI is available here:
Chief prosecutor Keir Starmer advised by radical Muslim


Good One!
The Comments are interesting...
I seem to be being incited to racial hatred by these Nu Labour numpties.

Most posters here are truly missing the horrific threat folk like this pose to the UK and our good people.

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Re: Indo-UK: News & Discussion

Postby Philip » 02 Nov 2009 18:18

The new Islamic "burka bombers",active in Britain.

Mother 'had enough terror documents to fill Marks and Spencer'
A mother of six hid a bomb-making manual and enough terrorist documents to fill two floors of Marks and Spencer in a hard drive in her burka, a court has heard.

Published: 10:53AM GMT 02 Nov 2009

Houria Chahed Chentouf, 41, from Manchester, pleaded guity to two counts of possessing documents likely to be useful for a terrorist at Manchester Crown Court.

The Moroccan, who has lived in The Hague, Holland, for more than 20 years, was stopped and searched at Liverpool John Lennon Airport on October 16 last year and was arrested at an address in Longsight, Manchester, the following day.

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Chentouf accidentally dropped a pen drive containing terror-related documents while she was being interviewed by officers at the airport, the court heard.

It had been tied to the inner sleeve of her burka, but fell out as she reached down to scratch her leg, prosecutor Simon Denison told the court.

She was released but arrested the following day at a house she was renting in Reynell Road, Longsight, Manchester.

She was charged under the Terrorism Act 2000 with possessing an article which gave rise to suspicions that "the possession was for a purpose connected with the commission, preparation or instigation of an act of terrorism".

The computer memory stick contained more than 7,000 files, including an explosives manual for the "Brothers of the Mujahadeen".

It was described by police as "a mini encyclopedia of weapons making".

Another document contained information about the military use of electronics, the court heard.

Officers said the documents, some of which ran to 900 pages, would have been enough to fill two floors of the Marks & Spencer store in Manchester.

Evidence was also uncovered from internet chatroom sites which indicated her support for those seeking martyrdom.

Chentouf accidentally dropped a pen drive containing terror-related documents while she was being interviewed by officers at the airport, the court heard.

It had been tied to the inner sleeve of her burka, but fell out as she reached down to scratch her leg, prosecutor Simon Denison told the court.

She was released but arrested the following day at a house she was renting in Reynell Road, Longsight, Manchester.

She was charged under the Terrorism Act 2000 with possessing an article which gave rise to suspicions that "the possession was for a purpose connected with the commission, preparation or instigation of an act of terrorism".

The computer memory stick contained more than 7,000 files, including an explosives manual for the "Brothers of the Mujahadeen".

It was described by police as "a mini encyclopedia of weapons making".

Another document contained information about the military use of electronics, the court heard.

Officers said the documents, some of which ran to 900 pages, would have been enough to fill two floors of the Marks & Spencer store in Manchester.

Evidence was also uncovered from internet chatroom sites which indicated her support for those seeking martyrdom.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... encer.html
TelegraphNews

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Re: Indo-UK: News & Discussion

Postby Haresh » 03 Nov 2009 00:22

All of the main UK parties, Labour, Conservative,Liberal pander to the islamist lobby in exchange for votes and also out of fear of public disturbance.
Do any of you guys know if the Indian govt has ever taken this up with the UK.
How many journalists write or even know about it ?
The main areas are Leeds/bradford, East London, Birmingham, Wolverhampton and parts of Leicester.
The MP's in these areas depend on block voting from moslems to acheive power and this is reflected in their attitude to Kashmir/India.

When Cameron visited India did anyone challenge him about Sayeeda Warsi calling Kashmiri terrorists freedom fighters ??

If the UK knew that contracts were at risk they would change their attitude pretty quick.

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Re: Indo-UK: News & Discussion

Postby a_kumar » 03 Nov 2009 00:57

Haresh wrote:All of the main UK parties, Labour, Conservative,Liberal pander to the islamist lobby in exchange for votes and also out of fear of public disturbance.
Do any of you guys know if the Indian govt has ever taken this up with the UK.


:D Very funny!

What will GoI say, when GoI itself follows the same principle!! IOW, I am sure GoI sympathizes with British Govt.

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Re: Indo-UK: News & Discussion

Postby Johann » 03 Nov 2009 02:05

Singha wrote:I think what is already happening and will accelerate is the economically weaker section of UK will emigrate to Australia and to some extent NZ.

the space they vacate will be occupied mostly by new settlers from P and BD :rotfl:


The inflow from Poland, Bulgaria, Romania, Ukraine, Russia, Brazil dwarfs flows from Pakistan and Bangladesh.

The flow from ex-communist Europe has to been seen to believed.

Lots from Sub-Saharan Africa as well.

If I need a cleaning person, or a plumber, or dishwasher odds and dont care about the law out of the first five, 2 will be a Slav, 1 will be Christian African, 1 will be Latin American, and another will be a Muslim from Iraq/Iran/Afghanistan/Pakistan/Somalia.

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Re: Indo-UK: News & Discussion

Postby Lalmohan » 03 Nov 2009 16:32

Johann

the Easterners will go back when the recession really bites, the non-whites and the faithful will be left behind...

the UK is neglecting a serious reform of immigration laws... in that sense, griffo-al-thuggi was right

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Re: Indo-UK: News & Discussion

Postby Haresh » 03 Nov 2009 16:43

Lalmohan,

You are totally right, the UK is neglecting a serious reform of immigration laws.
But if they don't reform the laws, this will please the paki/bangla/other moslems who will vote for them.
Then more moslems will be in the UK and civil strife will be totally inevitable.

It's a catch 22 situation.
The fact is British polticians don't have the guts for it.

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Re: Indo-UK: News & Discussion

Postby Singha » 03 Nov 2009 18:42

I read somewhere many Slavs who came in the boom years already left due to the recession.

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Re: Indo-UK: News & Discussion

Postby Lalmohan » 03 Nov 2009 18:53

Singha wrote:I read somewhere many Slavs who came in the boom years already left due to the recession.


yes, huge numbers have left already, in fact the slavic inward migration dwarved that of others. those guys and asylum seekers are the biggest groups, and most of the northern slavs are not the problem, they tend to be hard working and relatively law abiding. the south easter europeans tend to be the most problematic... crime, living off the welfare state, begging, etc. immigration from south asia has been already restricted significantly


added later

so, it begins...

Minister admits immigration errors

rest assured that this is as a direct result of the rise of the far right

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Re: Indo-UK: News & Discussion

Postby Johann » 04 Nov 2009 03:17

Lalmohan, Singha,

The age structure of the UK's population means there are major, long-term labour needs that go far beyond the latest boom and bust.

Eastern Europe is where the majority of that labour is going to come from -its not only closer and cheaper for immigrants, but the EU's Eastern Partnership programme is working towards a visa-free regime that will open the floodgates. People from places like Belarus, Ukraine, Moldova, Russia, etc have every incentive to leave.

In fact many of those who returned to Eastern Europe are drifting back to the UK because the situation at home is even worse, and even in a bad economy illegal labour is still cheaper than legal labour.

Sub-Saharan Africa in particular is also taking up a lot of the remaining slack. Morocco is turning from a source of illegal immigrants to a stopover for migrants from much further south.

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Re: Indo-UK: News & Discussion

Postby Ameet » 04 Nov 2009 21:32

Desi british TV presenter hammers yob for taunting him. Link includes footage, scroll over to the two minute mark for slick moves ;)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... rtise.html

Reporter Paresh Patel had been followed for half an hour through Manchester city centre by two youths, who subjected him to a barrage of abuse as he attempted to set up a live broadcast.

The North West Tonight journalist had been preparing a report in Sackville Gardens, central Manchester, when a group of drunken louts began harassing him and his cameraman Steve Capstick.

The dazed victim can then be seen in CCTV footage scrambling to his feet just as police arrive to arrest the man as Mr Patel, dubbed the 'BBC Bruiser', calmly walks away.

At the sentencing of the pair, Judge David Hernandez said: 'He defended himself, he delivered a blow. I say good for Mr Patel.

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Re: Indo-UK: News & Discussion

Postby sunnyP » 07 Nov 2009 17:35

'Jagdish Tytler's UK visit blocked over 1984 Sikh massacre'
Former minister Jagdish Tytler was dropped from the Indian delegation for the launch of the Commonwealth Games baton relay in London last week, Sikh groups said after a British MP asked Scotland Yard to arrest him for his role in the 1984 Sikh massacre.

Rob Marris, MP and chair of the British parliament's all-party group on Sikhs, said he objected to Tytler's planned Oct 29 entry to Britain in an emergency meeting with the Junior Foreign Office Minister responsible for India, Ivan Lewis, and in a letter to Foreign Secretary David Miliband.


http://www.hindustantimes.com/rssfeed/e ... 73619.aspx

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Re: Indo-UK: News & Discussion

Postby Karan Dixit » 07 Nov 2009 22:05

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2009/ ... ins-undone

Anita Tiesson, deputy executive director at UNICEF UK, said: "Child poverty must be at the top of the political agenda – the latest increases in unemployment will only deepen the UK's child poverty crisis and highlight the need to act now. Children should be the very last in our society to bear the brunt of hard times – the Convention on the Rights of the Child makes it clear that children need special protection from poverty and the UN Committee on the Rights of the Child last year called on the UK government to do more to eradicate the poverty affecting four million children in the UK."


These guys are wasting money on aircraft carriers. Why? So, that they can hold on to Falkland, which does not even belong to UK. They should be focusing on improving the lives of their children instead of wasting money on expensive military toys to appease their colonial era ego.

What UK needs is a larger infantry so that they can help US in Afghanistan. Their current military configuration is absurd.

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Re: Indo-UK: News & Discussion

Postby Kedar » 07 Nov 2009 22:27

sunnyP wrote:'Jagdish Tytler's UK visit blocked over 1984 Sikh massacre'
Former minister Jagdish Tytler was dropped from the Indian delegation for the launch of the Commonwealth Games baton relay in London last week, Sikh groups said after a British MP asked Scotland Yard to arrest him for his role in the 1984 Sikh massacre.

Rob Marris, MP and chair of the British parliament's all-party group on Sikhs, said he objected to Tytler's planned Oct 29 entry to Britain in an emergency meeting with the Junior Foreign Office Minister responsible for India, Ivan Lewis, and in a letter to Foreign Secretary David Miliband.


http://www.hindustantimes.com/rssfeed/e ... 73619.aspx


I would like Jagdish Tytler to be arrested, prosecuted and sentenced by Indian authorities for his role in the 1984 massacre. However, if he still has not been convicted then it is high time the Indian government told the Limeys to go kiss their brown a**. This amounts to an interference in India's internal affairs. Be it for Tytler or Modi.

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Re: Indo-UK: News & Discussion

Postby vera_k » 07 Nov 2009 23:37

Well, when MMS can lie in an attempt to pin 1984 on the RSS, there is little chance of such behavior from the Indian side. In any case, I applaud the UK for putting this crook in a spot.
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Re: Indo-UK: News & Discussion

Postby ramana » 07 Nov 2009 23:54

I was watching on Sony TV "Zone" that Gordon Brown had celebrated Diwali at 10 Downing street and had Lakshmi puja pandal installed. He wore a garland and all. The whole nine yards! Was this already covered in this forum? I saw lot of hungama about US acknowledging Diwali as an Asian festival. :eek:

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Re: Indo-UK: News & Discussion

Postby Lalmohan » 08 Nov 2009 02:47

Diwali is a well established festival in the UK these days. Many city councils even put up lights in the city centres, etc. there's plenty of fireworks and the host community is welcoming or participative on the whole.

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India's Scottish heritage remembered in renovation of Calcut

Postby Haresh » 08 Nov 2009 17:33

India's Scottish heritage remembered in renovation of Calcutta's Raj architecture

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... cture.html

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The Jewel in the Crown

Postby Haresh » 09 Nov 2009 14:46

More colonial resentment.
The comments are so bitter.

http://www.arrse.co.uk/Forums/viewtopic/t=137468.html

I can't beleive that these idiots think that Britain pays for everything in India.
The space program, nuclear reactors and even the aircraft carriers.
Idiots all of them.
Their empire is gone and now they have to pay and work for their country themselves and not loot others.

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Re: The Jewel in the Crown

Postby KaranR » 09 Nov 2009 16:07

Haresh wrote:More colonial resentment.
The comments are so bitter.

http://www.arrse.co.uk/Forums/viewtopic/t=137468.html

I can't believe that these idiots think that Britain pays for everything in India.
The space program, nuclear reactors and even the aircraft carriers.
Idiots all of them.
Their empire is gone and now they have to pay and work for their country themselves and not loot others.





Why does Indian accepts hand out from these pathetic people?
Why stay in the commonwealth!
This country[England] is now in the hands of the Muslims. Without the Arabs investment they would be beggars.
People need to remember. After the Second World War this country was bankrupt. The American’s loan was only paid back in 1996 or about. So these guys were living on the charity of the Americans.
Nobody seemed to have noticed that there was no TV coverage about the president of India visit or the ceremony which took place at Buckingham palace!!

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Re: Indo-UK: News & Discussion

Postby KaranR » 09 Nov 2009 16:20

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PBvCvIFrgI

History Britain after the War.

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Re: Indo-UK: News & Discussion

Postby nithish » 10 Nov 2009 03:19

Channel 4 was showing a program by Ian Hislop on the empire's soldiers in World War I....will try to find a link

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Re: Indo-UK: News & Discussion

Postby Neela » 10 Nov 2009 15:06

nithish wrote:Channel 4 was showing a program by Ian Hislop on the empire's soldiers in World War I....will try to find a link


Saw that. 1915 and the Sikh/Gurkhas in France.
Did you notice Ian Hislop's deliberate mockery of the policy on Martial races ( i.e Sikhs and Gurkhas ):

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvan ... mpire.html

Hislop’s film focuses on the under-acknowledged role played by soldiers from India, Canada, Ireland, the West Indies and other corners of an empire that then still covered a quarter of the globe. “I was more interested in stories about people whose countries left the Empire afterwards and how [the war] affected their view of it.”

Few today, for instance, appreciate that at the start of the conflict in France an astonishing one in every three soldiers under British command was Indian.

“It’s not our traditional image of the Western Front,” Hislop laughs grimly. “But for the first year there were Indians everywhere.”

They weren’t there under sufferance either. One of the odder revelations comes when Hislop reads from the men’s enthusiastic letters home. It seems bizarre, in retrospect, that soldiers could view such a devastating conflict in any positive light. But for many, initially at least, it was seen as an opportunity to prove loyalty
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Folks,this guy Ian Hislop seems to be a Bheeshma of British politics and history. His depth and span are mighty impressive.
Britain should be proud of this man!


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