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Re: Indo-UK: News & Discussion

Postby Mahendra » 01 Dec 2009 02:21

. In her remarks on the occasion Prospective Parliamentary Candidate from Dewsbury Sayeeda Warsi said until and unless the Kashmir issue was resolved , efforts should be made to stop human rights abuses taking place in Indian occupied Kashmir. She said women were being raped as a form of torture which was being used by India Security Forces to destroy the families. She urged Indian Government to allow independent human rights observers like Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch to visit Indian occupied Kashmir. On the Indian quest to get a permanent seat on the UN Security Council, Warsi said India could not aspire to do so unless it implemented the UN resolutions on Kashmir. Anothe


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Seems straight out of Hafeez Saeed Recruitment consultant's guidebook to me.


same National Review article also draws attention to Sayeeda Warsi's views on Kashmir, a serious problem between immigrants from Indian and Pakistani backgrounds:
"Warsi has also entered the fray over the highly sensitive issue of Kashmir and, according to the Press Association, suggested in a July 2005 BBC One Politics Show interview that new antiterror laws should not prevent support among Britons for “freedom fighters” in Kashmir. Comparing Islamic rebels in the disputed province with Nelson Mandela and the ANC, Warsi observed that: We have a community in Britain, a Pakistani and Kashmiri community, who holds a very, very strong view about Kashmir and the scope of freedom-fighting in Kashmir. It would concern me if… the definition of terrorism was to cover maybe (the) legitimate freedom-fight in Kashmir. It should be noted that Britain currently outlaws no less than six Kashmiri terrorist organizations: Harakat Ul-Jihad-Ul Islami, Harakat-Ul-Mujahideen/Alami and Jundallah, Harakat Mujahideen, Jaish e Mohammed, Khuddam Ul-Islam and splinter group Jamaat Ul-Furquan, and Lashkar e Tayyaba. It is hard to see how such extreme views will actually enhance “community cohesion” in Britain’s inner cities, and it is difficult to think of a more explosive issue than Kashmir in fomenting tensions between British citizens of Pakistani and Indian origin."

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for the significant numbers of *Muslims* in the UK who want to get the hell out of the stifling environment of family and mosque

Johannji, how much do you reckon this significant numbers of muslims translates into in terms of percentage?

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Re: Indo-UK: News & Discussion

Postby KrishnaMu » 01 Dec 2009 03:06

Mahendra wrote:Barroness Warsi gets eggs -e-pelti in Lutonabad, Pakistan

Now wasn't this the same woman who was batting for the Kasmheeri Phreedom phiters from Mirpur


Such shame, she is in debate with BNP (British National/Nazi party) question time part of Tory. As the fellow poster pointed may be her view on kashmir is misinformed. But she is given good debate with BNP leader though.

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Re: Indo-UK: News & Discussion

Postby Mahendra » 01 Dec 2009 03:21

KrishnaMu wrote:
Mahendra wrote:Barroness Warsi gets eggs -e-pelti in Lutonabad, Pakistan

Now wasn't this the same woman who was batting for the Kasmheeri Phreedom phiters from Mirpur


Such shame, she is in debate with BNP (British National/Nazi party) question time part of Tory. As the fellow poster pointed may be her view on kashmir is misinformed. But she is given good debate with BNP leader though.


There is nothing like being misinformed while supporting terrorists, that is the same defence used by David Headley-Gilani, Rana, Butt, etc, etc

according to the Press Association, suggested in a July 2005 BBC One Politics Show interview that new antiterror laws should not prevent support among Britons for “freedom fighters” in Kashmir.


Do you think this is a misinformed view? wonder what this support among britons for freedom figheters in Kashmir means? does it mean that Pakistani Chicken and Chips outlets should be allowed to maintain donation boxes for Jamat u Dawa charitable organisation which specialises in its own unique brand of charity?

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Re: Indo-UK: News & Discussion

Postby KrishnaMu » 01 Dec 2009 03:49

Mahendra wrote:There is nothing like being misinformed while supporting terrorists, that is the same defence used by David Headley-Gilani, Rana, Butt, etc, etc

according to the Press Association, suggested in a July 2005 BBC One Politics Show interview that new antiterror laws should not prevent support among Britons for “freedom fighters” in Kashmir.


Do you think this is a misinformed view? wonder what this support among britons for freedom figheters in Kashmir means? does it mean that Pakistani Chicken and Chips outlets should be allowed to maintain donation boxes for Jamat u Dawa charitable organisation which specialises in its own unique brand of charity?


Whether we like it or not FCO remains pro-pakistan. She is one in kind, not sterotypical UK house bound muslim. May be my view on kashmir is completely different what she supports I dont find any joy in civilian unarmed woman peleted by three shria loving, brain washed idiots.

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Re: Indo-UK: News & Discussion

Postby Mahendra » 01 Dec 2009 04:12

Hey! but just a few minutes ago she was only misinformed :roll:

And relax! it was only eggs that the phreedom phiters pelted her with, may be it will serve as a lesson of what the gentle phreedom phiters are capable of, as you can see, Luton needs to be declared as a free country.
And she is being foisted on a high pedestal for debating :roll: with Nick Griffin of the BNP, that debate where everyone ganged up on him and played to the gallery would have only consolidated the BNP vote.
One of a kind :roll: do we really need to shower such praise on her, given that she is known to have acted against our interests, what next Musharaff the brilliant tactician?

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Re: Indo-UK: News & Discussion

Postby Hari Seldon » 01 Dec 2009 05:41

^^^ Good points, Mahendra.

And she's Tory, to boot. Which makes it imperative that Labor win the next elections (long shot, I know but if they dump Brown and get Sri Red ken, Sri Miligaand or Sri Galloway to lead labor in shining armor, its a possibility. No?).The Tories sem to be more dangerous for Indian interests than even labor has so far proved to be, seems like.

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Re: Indo-UK: News & Discussion

Postby Johann » 01 Dec 2009 06:07

Mahendra wrote:
for the significant numbers of *Muslims* in the UK who want to get the hell out of the stifling environment of family and mosque

Johannji, how much do you reckon this significant numbers of muslims translates into in terms of percentage?


What's the percentage of UK born or educated Muslim women? When you add gays that would be over 50%.

Seriously though, there's a lot of ferment under the surface, and its not always in the directions you might think. Muslim men are so terrified of their locally educated women are up to they have to import women from the Subcontinent. When local Muslim women start setting up shelters, giving english classes and legal rights classes, its even more upsetting.

The Council of ex-Muslims chapter in the UK received thousands of emails from people who no longer consider themselves Muslims. The largest group are Iranians, which is not surprising, but the next largest group are Pakistanis. Many of them are young men and women who dont believe, but don't want to break from their families. Of course, you also have young men in the same neighborhoods radicalising and dreaming of jihad - but that is what polarisation looks like.

One of the reasons that so few terrorist plots have succeeded in the UK, despite so many active jihadi sympathisers is that there is *no* shortage of members of the community willing to work with the authorities.

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Re: Indo-UK: News & Discussion

Postby KrishnaMu » 01 Dec 2009 06:17

Mahendra wrote:Hey! but just a few minutes ago she was only misinformed :roll:

And relax! it was only eggs that the phreedom phiters pelted her with, may be it will serve as a lesson of what the gentle phreedom phiters are capable of, as you can see, Luton needs to be declared as a free country.
And she is being foisted on a high pedestal for debating :roll: with Nick Griffin of the BNP, that debate where everyone ganged up on him and played to the gallery would have only consolidated the BNP vote.
One of a kind :roll: do we really need to shower such praise on her, given that she is known to have acted against our interests, what next Musharaff the brilliant tactician?


BNP will get more votes because labour utterly failed to provide self esteem to the white working class by shipping millions of traditional working class jobs to China. 130 bn welfare bill they need to pick up. Having very close Jewish frnds here i just cant stand who denies holocaust (as Nick Griffen did repeatedly) it is haynes crime against humanity. Yes i am not saying she has tiny interst in India. Kashmir is integeral part there is no need to get support from UK. India is not toddler any more it can defend interest it self. Some Tory lady cant inch of difference for that. If it i cant i will that as Paranoa.

If dont want live Shria law in UK you have to support the well educated Lady.

UK was always pro pakistan will be pro pakistan irrespective of Labour or Tory. UK loves money tax exiles from India nothing less nothing more.

ps: before we lecture Warsi about Kashmir we should look at our own backyard, great broad sheet masked tabliod "times of India" for repeatdly publishing Kashmir as part Pakistan not even disputed. What press council did? nothing..
good night!! :D

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Re: Indo-UK: News & Discussion

Postby gandharva » 01 Dec 2009 08:29

Celebrity Kate Humble overwhelmed by the sound of Adhan in Saudi

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5GyXqFhcYc
:oops: :oops:
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Re: Indo-UK: News & Discussion

Postby Lalmohan » 01 Dec 2009 14:23

Hari Seldon wrote:^^^ Good points, Mahendra.

And she's Tory, to boot. Which makes it imperative that Labor win the next elections (long shot, I know but if they dump Brown and get Sri Red ken, Sri Miligaand or Sri Galloway to lead labor in shining armor, its a possibility. No?).The Tories sem to be more dangerous for Indian interests than even labor has so far proved to be, seems like.


labour strong seats are in high immigrant areas. tories have long had a strategy to swing those votes back to them by pursuing more islampasand foreign policies. the trouble is that totally screws up domestic policy too... so the tories remain clueless and rudderless

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Re: Indo-UK: News & Discussion

Postby Haresh » 01 Dec 2009 15:03

Warsi is an islamist.
When she was appointed Communities & Cohesion something or the other, she was cheered on by MPACUK, the Moslem public Affairs Committe UK, set up by the sinister anti Jewish/Indian Bukhari brothers.

A quick google of wasrsi brings up this:
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&cl ... ir&spell=1

Google MPACUK
and you get this:
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&cl ... =&aq=f&oq=

you would think that Cameron would have been suspicious of their support for WARSI.

If I am not mistaken does Vishnu Som not post on BR sometimes. After 26/11 maybe he & NDTV can do a programme on the UK pak/moslem communities support for terror in Kashmir & how UK parties appease these people for votes & maybe how India should tell the UK govt, trade will suffer.
We in the UK can help with the UK research, but you guys in India need to contact as many Journo's, politicos in fact any one who will listen and kick up a stink about this.

Shall we get the ball rolling :evil:

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Re: Indo-UK: News & Discussion

Postby Aditya_V » 01 Dec 2009 18:47

Haresh-> dream on, not going to happen

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Re: Indo-UK: News & Discussion

Postby Haresh » 01 Dec 2009 18:54

Aditya,

We can and have to make it happen.
The people who post on BR are well educated & maybe well connected. If we all acted together contacted our various contacts and kept on pushing, calling, e mailing, on & on then it can happen.

UKstan is a major source of funs for the porkies. The UK is bust, they need the business.
:D

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Re: Indo-UK: News & Discussion

Postby Aditya_V » 01 Dec 2009 19:02

Haresh-> there is lot of Geopolitics at work and there is a reason why BBC and many British Media are sympathic to PAKis.And our resident media is also under the pay of similair people. A famous Director now takes orders from a Pakistani president on whether to continue to make his film or not. I have never known this Director to take orders from a Indian President. He takes awards from pakistan but never questions them regarding sponsoring terrorism, or communal violence in that country. And this Director is full of praise in Desi Media and consoling 26/11 victims.

It is not will power but you better find out who your enemy is.

And talking of business, the Saudi Gulf business will always be lucrative for the Brits. The Brits have thier contacts who will make sure that we can never hurt them or expose thier games.

And BTW turth be told if the UK, US , Saudi and China, if one of these stop underwriting the country will immediately split, but they all have thier interests and will keep it going.

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Re: Indo-UK: News & Discussion

Postby Mahendra » 02 Dec 2009 02:37

If dont want live Shria law in UK you have to support the well educated Lady.


Of course sir! because YOU don't want Sharia law in the UK, we will have to support this "well educated lady!

Kashmir is integeral part there is no need to get support from UK.


Very true again sir! but it is surely in our interest if someone who is very likely to be involved in the next government knows that there is a price to pay for overtly supporting the "phreedom phiters" and it is also in our interest to publicize her involvement with these phreedom phiting charitable jamat u dawas to the British public. As you would know Bakis are not very popular in the UK for obvious reasons.

ps: before we lecture Warsi about Kashmir we should look at our own backyard

Point taken sir! but hero(ine) worship of terrorist sympathiser just because she mouths a few platitudes that are music to somebody's ears isn't really called for

UK was always pro pakistan will be pro pakistan irrespective of Labour or Tory


First part is true, the second part need not be, when our economy is strong enough we should be able to do what China is doing today

i just cant stand who denies holocaust

I am with you on that one sir, I have no love for the BNP or for holocaust deniers like Ahmed-nutjob but in the same vein I hate the perpetrators of Kaluchak, the same ones " Barroness Warsi" calls phreedom phiters
Good night :D

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Re: Indo-UK: News & Discussion

Postby Haresh » 02 Dec 2009 02:43

Aditya_V

All we need is one journalist who is willing to do a story, I watch NDTV and Vishnu Som, he posts on BR.
Surely if we started a BR appeal maybe he could help, what is the harm in asking???
If he couldn't do it himself maybe he could advise.

We know which journo's & writers he could talk to in the UK and could put him in touch.
He could title the piece "The money jihad leads to Britain"
I have contacted a hell of a lot of people and I know people who can help.
Can the BR staff not help????

Appathy is not an option, it is only a matter of time and there will be a big attack in the UK. Then the backlash will come from the ultra right. Any brown face will be in danger.

We can do it.
Regards

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Re: Indo-UK: News & Discussion

Postby ramana » 02 Dec 2009 02:50

Haresh, Prepare a script and plan for a documentary. Relying on mainstream media is like waiting for Godot.


All you need a few slides with your message and a few shots of places and newspaper clippings. Get a English accented voice over.

It can go on youtube.

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Re: Indo-UK: News & Discussion

Postby RayC » 02 Dec 2009 10:56

Veil off Indo-UK defence courtship

SUJAN DUTTA

New Delhi, Nov. 29: India is considering a pact assuring the UK that bases of the Indian air force, army and navy will refuel British military aircraft and warships and facilitate the changeover of its troops and war material.

More at:

Cozying Up

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Re: Indo-UK: News & Discussion

Postby anuj » 03 Dec 2009 13:14

Haresh wrote:I watch NDTV and Vishnu Som, he posts on BR.

Som is still a part of the NDTV family and NDTV will never make a program on jihad because it'll be labeled anti-tolerant of islam and the channels viewers in pakistan, middle-east and india won't really like that.

NDTV is already exposed and i feel even the workers in that channel know that. Timesnow has replaced it as the no. 1 news channel.

Sorry for the OT post.

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Re: Indo-UK: News & Discussion

Postby Hari Seldon » 03 Dec 2009 16:21

Sorry for the OT addition:

But Timesnow is hajaar better than the marxist NDTV and the CNN_IBN types. At least TimesNow allows (or rather, doesn't disallow) all mainstream Indian viewpoints an airing, rather than just the blinkered, pinko ones.

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Re: Indo-UK: News & Discussion

Postby Karan Dixit » 05 Dec 2009 12:20

What is up with this love affair between Bakistan and UQ?

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Britain stands ‘shoulder to shoulder’ with Pakistan: Brown

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2009\12\05\story_5-12-2009_pg7_11
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Re: Indo-UK: News & Discussion

Postby Hari Seldon » 05 Dec 2009 12:31

Good. If Sri Brown is endorsing something, it must be a sunk project onlee. IN any case, UQ and TSP deserve each other. The former sired the latter, after all.

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Re: Indo-UK: News & Discussion

Postby Karan Dixit » 05 Dec 2009 22:55

CAIRO — Despite being a world champion who earned several titles for his country, British Muslim boxer Amir Khan is still haunted by racism because of his skin color.

http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Sate ... /NWELayout

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Re: Indo-UK: News & Discussion

Postby KaranR » 05 Dec 2009 23:07

Karan Dixit wrote:CAIRO — Despite being a world champion who earned several titles for his country, British Muslim boxer Amir Khan is still haunted by racism because of his skin color.

http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Sate ... /NWELayout

Muhammad Ali used lots of boot polish or suntan to become black. I wonder why he’s so popular. Maybe he doesn’t belong to a community of Islamic terrorists.

People in UK are not fooled by the Pak’s, especially after the London bombing , 9/11 and Mumbai slaughter.
Labour party can only do so much to promote the vote bank of Pakistanis. It’s the people who decide. :lol:

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Re: Indo-UK: News & Discussion

Postby Karan Dixit » 05 Dec 2009 23:36

British society is very bigoted towards muslims and other minorities. There is a lack of concern among white britons towards the human rights of muslims and other minorities in UK. Muslims and other minorities in UK are discriminated, physically attacked and generally ridiculed. Britain gets away with lots of human rights violation just because it is white and English speaking. Let us be clear on that.

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Re: Indo-UK: News & Discussion

Postby KaranR » 06 Dec 2009 00:34

Karan Dixit wrote:British society is very bigoted towards muslims and other minorities. There is a lack of concern among white britons towards the human rights of muslims and other minorities in UK. Muslims and other minorities in UK are discriminated, physically attacked and generally ridiculed. Britain gets away with lots of human rights violation just because it is white and English speaking. Let us be clear on that.

Looking at the Muslims countries; I know Muslims are happy to live in Uk.
How come they don’t seek political asylum in Islamic countries and love to come to Uk?
There is prejudice in every country to a certain extent.
Human rights of Muslims; what special rights Muslim need?
Let’s be clear also, Muslim creates their own hell.
Are you a Muslim pretending to be a Hindu?

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Re: Indo-UK: News & Discussion

Postby surinder » 06 Dec 2009 01:26

Well, white Britons have gone to Muslim countries to rule them, it makes sense for the Muslims to come to UK too. Reciprocal access, isn't it. In fact, Muslims haven't neither ruled nor invaded UK, so Muslims canno tbe accused first.

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Re: Indo-UK: News & Discussion

Postby bart » 06 Dec 2009 02:00

^^^

In the British white bigots vs Pakistanis debate, its best not to get emotional or take sides with one or the other. Just bring out the popcorn and watch the fun.

Remember that both have perpetuated horrendous crimes against our land and peoples, and would harm us again if presented the opportunity.

Its like a Rattlesnakes vs Vermin debate, just because they hate each other doesn't mean that we need to associate ourselves with either.

What the Indian community really needs to do is to disassociate themselves from the Pakis and make sure that people understand the difference between Paki/BD and Indian, instead of conveniently grouping them as Asian.

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Re: Indo-UK: News & Discussion

Postby Lalmohan » 06 Dec 2009 05:38

KaranR wrote:
Karan Dixit wrote:British society is very bigoted towards muslims and other minorities

Are you a Muslim pretending to be a Hindu?


well, he is promoting Meera in the pakistaniat thread! :wink:, so you may have a point!
actually my view is that the british are no more or less bigoted towards muslims than any other minority. the disease of political correctness currently in the land makes them exceptionally silent as muslims in particular demand air time and special privileges, one of the reasons (apart from the one Hari is no doubt going to remind me about shortly) that londonistan has come about

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Re: Indo-UK: News & Discussion

Postby KaranR » 06 Dec 2009 15:07

surinder wrote:Well, white Britons have gone to Muslim countries to rule them, it makes sense for the Muslims to come to UK too. Reciprocal access, isn't it. In fact, Muslims haven't neither ruled nor invaded UK, so Muslims cannot be accused first.


Really! How did the muslims mange to rule all over Africa, part of Spain Turkey and acts of piracy in the English channel -white slaves to be sold in the slave market of the Arabs?European paid the muslims back with the same coin.

The question or claim by Dixit, here is Muslim's human rights not respected in UK.I love to know the human right of Muslims or non muslims in the Islamic countries!

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Re: Indo-UK: News & Discussion

Postby Rahul M » 06 Dec 2009 15:17

KaranR wrote:.....Are you a Muslim pretending to be a Hindu?

whatever his religion may be, it's not a subject for discussion.

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Re: Indo-UK: News & Discussion

Postby Johann » 06 Dec 2009 22:46

Karan Dixit wrote:British society is very bigoted towards muslims and other minorities. There is a lack of concern among white britons towards the human rights of muslims and other minorities in UK. Muslims and other minorities in UK are discriminated, physically attacked and generally ridiculed. Britain gets away with lots of human rights violation just because it is white and English speaking. Let us be clear on that.


So Karan, why do you think Muslims are so keen on immigrating to the UK?

Why are people of all religions and ethnicities so keen to move to the country, to bring their families and settle down?

Month after month, year after year, decade after decade.

Unless of course you're suggesting that Muslims, Chinese, non-Muslim Indians, Latin Americans, blacks from the Carribean and Africa are a bunch of fools, who don't bother listening to all the stories before they trust their life savings, or commit their future earnings through huge loans to make the move.

People come to the Gulf for work, and then they leave. Why dont they do that in the UK? Why would they risk their lives and their family's wellbeing and happiness?

:roll:

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Re: Indo-UK: News & Discussion

Postby sanjaykumar » 07 Dec 2009 00:04

Well Johann it is not as simple as that. Muslims in fact live in little dar'ul islaams where they are to a large extent insulated against the wider currents and prejudices of society. So they can an do complain of bigotry.

As may Indians but oddly enough few Hindus live in ethnic ghettoes (for long). And their complaints are never bitter, they may append their complaints with 'it's worse in India' or 'we were worse in East Africa'. This attitude of wanting to compete and not expecting preferential or deferential treatment in Indians and Chinese has not been studied. A pity because it leads to productive healthy communities. I suppose it is politically incorrect to do so.

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Re: Indo-UK: News & Discussion

Postby Johann » 07 Dec 2009 01:17

Sanjay,

Of course it isnt simple. Life never is. People have complaints, many of them justified, and they ask for what they think is fair from their employers, from the state, and from society as a whole.

But they keep coming, and would come in even larger numbers if permitted. Those who come for the most part stay.

As for the ghetto - the insulation it offers from wider society is limited.

The majority of Muslims who come to the UK (and their descendants) have to work in Muslim minority settings, even if they prefer to live communally - and work is the place where most of us spend the majority of our waking hours as adults.

As children, we spend the majority of our time in school. Education is yet another non-Muslim controlled institution, which is only very rarely Muslim-majority. Then of course there is the state, regulating things like work, marriage, divorce, benefits- so much of life. Unlike the Indian tradition, civil law is the same for all communities.

In order to survive and thrive economically, you must speak English. To stay on the right side of the law, you must live by a code shaped by European and Judeo-Christian values.

So much of what the Islamists do is a reaction - not against prejudice as lefties and Islamists like to claim. The Muslims who got up and fought for equal treatment along with activists from the majority were not Islamists - they were usually liberals and Marxists.

What you see from the Islamists is the reaction from culture clash - the resentment (particularly of Mirpuris) of being forced to live by laws and values, and surrounded by a culture that are in stark opposition to what they or their ancestors lived under.

In other words, it is the fear of assimilation and loss of identity that drives the Islamist urge. Of being absorbed to the point that they forget they are Muslims. This is the fear that terrifies even completely apolitical, quietist Muslims - losing their children to the majority culture.

Of course assimilation is something that worries all minorities, but with Islam the idea that this may be sending your children to hell, and perhaps sending you as well gives it a special urgency.

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Re: Indo-UK: News & Discussion

Postby sanjaykumar » 07 Dec 2009 02:16

I have given it some thought. There may be a useful line of enquiry in human psychology.
There are almost certainly useful psychiatric analyses of societies possible. There is no reason to presuppose that societies are free of individual personalities.

This approach is not only empirically satisfying but also liberating because the deux a machina relieves individuals of the culpability of agency to an extent.

When god loves ONLY you and has chosen you, it is easy to develop a narcissism, however contrary to the facts of one's reality.

Fanatic type of narcissitic personality disorder (Millon):A narcissistic individual, usually with major paranoid tendencies who holds onto an illusion of omnipotence. These people are fighting the reality of their insignificance and lost value and are trying to re-establish their self-esteem through grandiose fantasies and self-reinforcement. When unable to gain recognition of support from others, they take on the role of a heroic or worshipped person with a grandiose mission.


Perhaps it is just that Chinese and Indians can see that they are ugly-which is like a gift.

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Re: Indo-UK: News & Discussion

Postby nithish » 07 Dec 2009 04:18

Call for action on Indian IT workers

Indian technology companies have been accused of bringing overseas staff to the UK on an “industrial scale” after Home Office figures showed the biggest users of temporary IT work visas were almost all from the subcontinent.
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The Association of Professional Staffing Companies, which represents IT recruiters and which submitted the FoI request, said the figures showed it was too easy for foreign companies to bypass the domestic labour market and raised the question of UK wages being undercut.

Unions and recruiters have lobbied the government and the immigration watchdog, the Migration Advisory Committee, to introduce a tougher regime for the transfer of overseas staff, arguing that companies were sidestepping visa regulations while resident workers and graduates were desperate for employment.

More than 60 per cent of the non-EU workers who arrived in the UK last year came via intra-company transfers, the large majority working in the IT sector.
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IT companies insist overseas staff are essential to plug gaps in local expertise – because of the shortage of British engineering, science and maths graduates – and that their use encourages inward investment.

Keith Sharp, UK and Europe marketing director for Tata Consulting, denied that transferring temporary workers from India was “a cheap option” and said Tata was fully compliant with regulations, paying housing allowances, wages and taxes.

“I have heard about abuses of the system,” he said. “But if it is being abused then people should report it to the border agency.”
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The Home Office is about to tighten the transfer route, meaning temporary workers will not subsequently be allowed to settle. Overseas employees will also need to have worked for a year for a company before they can move to the UK, up from six months.

Phil Woolas, the immigration minister, said: “Intra-company transfers are an important part of making the UK an attractive place in which to do business, and therefore keep industry and the economy moving.”

He also said anyone coming to the country must be paid a UK equivalent salary and that the border agency would take action against any employer shown to be “undercutting” local wages.

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Re: Indo-UK: News & Discussion

Postby Jarita » 07 Dec 2009 04:40

Johann,
While you expound in detail and well on every subject on this thread, you've missed it on this subject. If you are viewing all minorities on the same continuum - more concerned abt ass. vs others, than you've completely lost sight of the nature of Jihadi politics. And if this is how European intellectuals are thinking of the problem, then popcorn khao and we'll see in 25 years

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Re: Indo-UK: News & Discussion

Postby Hari Seldon » 07 Dec 2009 10:37

Brown: U.K. Has Billions in Savings

U.K. Prime Minister Brown will say Monday that his government has identified billions of pounds in additional efficiency savings in the public sector to help pare the country's record deficit.


Well, the EIC and then the crown have had long and successful experience in wringing billions, nay trillions of today's pounds in productive surplus out of the subcontinent and cart it away to Brit-istan. So, undoubtedly, the skill sets and gene pool exists to go find the necessary billions. Use it to good effect, Sri Brown. Just know that a continent away, folk in India, descendants of those you plundered and beggared are watching with disinterest the evolution in the crown's methods. Jai Hor.

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Re: Indo-UK: News & Discussion

Postby Singha » 07 Dec 2009 10:42

they have cancelled a electronic patient record for NHS that had cost 12 billion pounds so far.

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Re: Indo-UK: News & Discussion

Postby Karan Dixit » 07 Dec 2009 11:07

If we were to take solid assets into account, UK is far behind India. The current day ranking system which puts puny little economy like UK ahead of India is nothing but a scam. That is why it is falling apart.

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... anada.html

It goes on to warn that Britain could be overtaken by Russia, Brazil, India and Canada by 2015.


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