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Postby Gerard » 13 Mar 2008 04:14

Not Your Father's Ukrainian Army
:D
Could you imagine the recruiting possibilities of this photo? Bet the Ukrainians aren't short of officers for the next 20 years...

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Postby shetty » 13 Mar 2008 04:54

Gerard wrote:Not Your Father's Ukrainian Army
:D
Could you imagine the recruiting possibilities of this photo? Bet the Ukrainians aren't short of officers for the next 20 years...


Gerad, you made my day :)

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Postby Baljeet » 13 Mar 2008 06:05

Gerard wrote:Not Your Father's Ukrainian Army
:D
Could you imagine the recruiting possibilities of this photo? Bet the Ukrainians aren't short of officers for the next 20 years...


Gerard
Lets go and sign up, follow the orders of Ma'am officer. One wise man said, There is nothing sexier than waking up in the morning and saluting the female commander. :D

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Postby Gerard » 13 Mar 2008 08:30

Check out the Prime Minister of the Ukraine :eek:

link

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Postby Keshav » 13 Mar 2008 09:34

Baljeet wrote:One wise man said, There is nothing sexier than waking up in the morning and saluting the female commander. :D


Robert DuVall, I believe, was the actor, but I forget the movie. It definitely was not "The Godfather", though.

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Postby Rahul Shukla » 13 Mar 2008 09:47

^^^

Wrong!

That would be 'Jack Nicholson' in the movie 'A Few Good Men' starring Tom Cruise, Demi Moore and Jack Nicholson (of course!). The exact quote is;
"There is nothing on this earth sexier, believe me gentlemen, than a woman that you have to salute in the morning."

But if you really want to hear it from 'Jack' himself, click right --> here


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Postby BPSingh » 13 Mar 2008 23:55

New Radar Technology From Lockheed Martin.

http://www.defensetech.org/archives/004058.html

Could have implications for missiles of Brahmos variety.

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Postby Singha » 14 Mar 2008 00:49

I saw a slideshow somewhere named "women of the IDF" that was the best
I have seen on this topic yet. very well photographed the expressions on each persons face...

here it is....some of the photos shot in natural light are truly haunting
...shows the immense power of dslr tech no doubt..discard the crap P&S
and get with the program my fellow bandidos.

http://www.serialno3817131.com/

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Postby Vick » 18 Mar 2008 07:43

SoKo is undergoing a massive naval rearmament phase. It is well on its way to being one of the most powerful Asian navies. Makes the IN's plans look rather modest, to tell the truth. Just check out how many 3,000 tons multi-purpose frigates they intend to build. And on top of that, all of the new built ships will be built in South Korea!

From DN
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March 17, 2008
S. Korea Expedites Naval Modernization

By JUNG SUNG-KI

SEOUL — South Korea’s Navy plans to seek three more Aegis-equipped destroyers by 2020 as it modernizes the fleet into a powerful blue-water force, Navy sources said.

The push for three more destroyers would follow the commissioning of three planned Aegis destroyers, including last May’s launching of the lead ship, the 7,600-ton KDX-III Sejong the Great, fitted with the Aegis air warfare system built by Lockheed Martin.

With the commissioning, South Korea joined the small club of Aegis-operating navies, including the United States, Japan, Spain and Norway.
South Korea will launch two more KDX-III destroyers in 2010 and 2012 under the Defense Reform 2020 military modernization program initiated in 2005. The destroyer costs about $1 billion.

“Nothing has been fixed at the moment regarding the acquisition of additional Aegis ships, but it’s true that we want to build three more Aegis ships to launch three mobile squadrons in the long term,â€

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Postby NRao » 18 Mar 2008 09:17

This, I suspect, is part of the X000 ship navy that the US dreamt up.

However, it is time that India started moving. The real threat to India is that she will not be able to enforce her policies if she does not have a viable/credible force.

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Postby Gerard » 21 Mar 2008 02:58

Guards for African leaders battle; dozen injured
A fight between Ugandan and Libyan presidential guards sparked chaos during a ceremony attended by the heads of state from 11 African nations on Wednesday.
Minutes after Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi and his host, Ugandan President Yoweri Museveni, jointly unveiled a plaque to mark the event, the Libyan guards pushed away the guards of other delegations at the mosque's entrance.

The Ugandan guards -- who had traded hostilities with the predominantly-Arab Libyan guards at every joint event since Gadhafi's arrival in the country Sunday -- reacted with fury and fought back.

Museveni briefly lost his balance when a hefty Libyan guard pushed him to a wall. Another Libyan guard pushed Rwandan President Paul Kagame, who also lost his balance but was caught by his own guards.

The vice president of Tanzania was knocked over by fighting guards as he was taking his shoes off to enter the mosque.

Guards to the rest of the visiting presidents and prime ministers kept their respective leaders out of the fray, with some drawing their guns as the dignitaries looked on in disbelief. Some leaders -- notably those from Somalia, Burundi and Djibouti -- were visibly uneasy as guns were drawn on all sides.

By the time the fight was over more than six minutes later, about a dozen presidential guards were left bleeding from compound fractures and the Libyan and Ugandan protocol officials traded bitter accusations of disrespect and racism.

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Postby sum » 21 Mar 2008 10:26

Would be an amazing video(the fistcuff among the presedential guards)!!!!

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Postby Singha » 21 Mar 2008 12:27

the cameroon, uganda, nigeria, ghana types have the most robust hefty
physiques on mother earth. we had european football hardcases running
scared of the physical brutality of the nigerian team in past world cups.
this is the region wherein most of the top US and west indian sprinters
came from - the asafa powell types.

would love to see the libyans get a good beating, since they started the
contest.

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Postby Airavat » 21 Mar 2008 15:27

Israel Tests 'Iron Dome' Anti-Rocket System

The IDF has tested an anti-rocket missile system being designed to intercept and destroy short-range enemy rockets, despite doubts that Israel will continue the $200 million project. Although the system was approved a year ago, it is not expected to be ready for action until 2010.

That's not soon enough for Defense Minister Ehud Barak, who has insisted Israel not surrender any more land to the Palestinian Authority before an anti-missile system is in place.

Iron Dome is hampered by its inability to protect areas within 4.5 kilometers (3 miles) of the rocket launch site due to the fact that the 10-second window to impact within that range leaves the system without sufficient time to react. Government officials last month approved a NIS 350 million ($97.3 million) plan to fortify buildings within the 4.5 kilometer distance to Gaza as a way to compensate for the system’s deficiencies.

Hamas terrorists in Gaza have begun firing longer-range GRAD missiles at Israel. Islamic Jihad announced yesterday that they are preparing longer range missiles of a different type, but which could reach Ashkelon.

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Postby Nayak » 27 Mar 2008 10:36

Full metal jacket

What is the difference between a child with a toy gun and a man on his knees who is armed to the teeth? To an armed robot, there's no difference whatsoever, according to one robotics expert. It would shoot on sight and without discrimination. Similarly, it would not distinguish between a pregnant woman and a suicide bomber.

These are two possible scenarios suggested by Noel Sharkey, a professor of artificial intelligence and robotics at Britain's Sheffield University, who warned that automated weapons, or armed robots, pose a new threat to humanity.

Professor Sharkey said battlefield robots that could autonomously decide when to kill would be in action within 10 years. Armed robots are already used in Israel and South Korea for border control. Deployed in the demilitarised zone since last year, South Korean robots are not fully mobile, but they can swivel, "see" for 3km and are fully armed.

China recently unveiled an armed robot for use at the Olympic Games. The reconnaissance and bomb-defusing robot can also attack targets, according to People's Daily.

Many nations are involved in developing technology for robot weapons, led by the US and Britain with more than 4,000 unmanned remote-controlled or fully automated vehicles deployed in Iraq and Afghanistan. Most are used for surveillance and some robots are useful in clearing explosive devices. But Professor Sharkey said they were also easy to arm.

"My complaint is not that they're using robots but that the robots are armed to the teeth," he said. "The idea of a robot making decisions about human termination terrifies me. There is no possible way a robot can discriminate between combatants and civilians."

Amid the trend, a number of concerned scientists and specialists in artificial intelligence are calling for a code of ethics to be drawn up for the use of robots in combat.

Ronald Arkin, of the Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta, has funding from the US army to design a robotic soldier with an "artificial conscience".

Professor Sharkey said such an artificial conscience was unlikely to be in place before fully autonomous armed robots were deployed in battle.

Meanwhile, experts fear robots could mount potentially devastating attacks from a safe distance, which could then be denied because the perpetrator may not always be identified. And some envisage atrocities committed by robots.

"What if in some years' time a robot marches in to a crowded market and blows it up. Who did that? An unmanned suicide bomber?" said Rear Admiral Chris Parry of the Royal Navy, a strategic analyst. "Someone has to be responsible."

Professor Sharkey said: "A robot cannot be tried for war crimes, and what would be the punishment? Switch it off? Is that a punishment?"

The use of robots also could expand a conflict because they are cheaper than large armies and do not have to be supplied with food. With robots, the military "use a lot more bombs and bomb a lot more targets than they used to and this has resulted in a lot more civilian casualties relative to combatant casualties", said Peter Asaro, a philosopher and ethicist at Rutgers University in the US.

David Whetham, of Kings College London's department of defence studies, said: "Robots might tempt the use of force at an earlier opportunity. What might be a last resort might become a first response. It is much more palatable because the risk to your own personnel is much reduced."

Professor Sharkey said: "Robots are extremely useful because you have a risk-free war, fewer people on the front line and no body bags."

Already the US wants one-third of military ground vehicles to be unmanned by 2015. Robots do not get tired and can carry out surveillance missions for 14 hours at a time. They are never emotional, angry or demoralised.

"Robots are faster at finding targets and they are more accurate," said Professor Sharkey. "An autonomous plane can make a decision in nanoseconds, a person takes milliseconds."

Yet for all their increasing programming sophistication, warrior robots cannot always interpret what they see. Even changes in weather conditions or lighting can confuse them. Most military robots are tested in desert conditions where there are few obstacles and little chance of confusion.

"They are not intelligent in any sense. They blindly apply the rules. But conflict is not always a predictable environment," said Professor Sharkey. "At best, artificial intelligence gives robots contingencies to deal with unforeseen circumstances. But the number of such circumstances that could occur simultaneously in military encounters is vast and could cause chaotic robot behaviour with deadly consequences. Killer robots are coming soon."

Professor Sharkey said that even "humanitarian" uses of robots might not remain solely humanitarian for long. The Bear (Battlefield Extraction Assist Robot), with its forklift-style arms, retrieves wounded soldiers from the war zone. It is 1.83 metres tall, with a teddy bear's head to comfort soldiers who might otherwise fear the rather grotesque robot. "The US has been extracting soldiers with Bear, but last November they sent in four armed ones as well," said Professor Sharkey. "We sleep-walk into a robotic arms race very gradually by using robots at all. I can envisage very soon there will be a swarm of armed robots that can communicate easily."

The European Union is funding research on small robots which can exhibit swarming behaviour. The Symbrion (Symbiotic Evolutionary Robot Organisms) programme is developing robots that can co-operate and communicate to achieve different tasks without human supervision.

Although not intended for military use, scientists admit they have little control over their wider use.

DSO National Laboratories in Singapore is also reportedly working on robots that can co-operate on the battlefield as a swarm.

The world has taken its first steps towards an international robot arms race, said Professor Sharkey. "With robot prices falling and robot technology becoming easier, robot armies are becoming a possibility even for poorer countries," he said. "The countries involved include China - it wants to be seen to be strong against the US and is a developing superpower. And it could sell robots to North Korea.

"The Chinese certainly have all the skill; they have very strong infrastructure, ability and know-how."

Other nations involved in robot technology include Russia, Israel, South Africa and India. Singapore has already pushed up the stakes by looking at the use of armed robots in urban environments. Singapore's Defence Science and Technology Agency announced last year they would pay a S$1 million (HK$5.6 million) reward to anyone who could design a robot that can "operate autonomously in urban warfare conditions".

It should be able to open and close doors, move in and out of buildings and, most importantly, "search and destroy targets like a human soldier". Shortlisted robots, some built in collaboration with partners from countries such as China, India and Malaysia, will be tested this May.

Few contestants appear worried about the moral implications of the challenge. But other experts are sounding the alarm.

"Use in an urban environment would be horrific," said Dr Malcolm Cook, senior lecturer in military-human factors at the University of Abertay in Scotland. "People find it difficult enough to differentiate who is who; I can't imagine letting loose an autonomous machine in an urban context."

London-based defence analyst Paul Beaver said: "A huge market for automated weapons is developing, with over 100 countries interested in acquiring them. Ethics almost does not figure in the conscience of either the government departments or military."

The growing trade will mean that proliferation becomes an issue. South American drugs barons are known to have used unmanned underwater vehicles to carry drugs into US territory. "Criminals and terrorists are not going to abide by the rules. When it comes to criminals and terrorists we are out of the ethical arena. It is a Wild West situation," said Rear Admiral Parry.

Rather than indulging in wishful thinking that governments would abide by a code of ethics, Rear Admiral Parry said all robots should be tagged using radio frequency identification. "Ethical arguments rarely survive first contact with warfare," he said.

But public pressure could hold governments back, at least in the west. The British military has made a conscious decision not to fully automate but to have someone operating the robot, in part due to public perception but also because of the risks of mistakes.

Public pressure may well help control robot wars, as it did with landmines where a public campaign led to the treaty banning them in 1997. "We are certainly concerned with the possible development of weapons that are targeted and activated by sensors and not people," said Richard Moyes, policy director for the campaign group Landmine Action.

"It is not an immediate problem in the same way as landmines are, but it could be for the future. People have a sense of anxiety about killer robots."


India with its vast knowledge and good pool of scientists can no doubt make significant contributions towards robotics. Wish the Army would pay may attention towards robots for guard duties.

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Postby Philip » 27 Mar 2008 11:16

Carrier controversy in the UK-over Britain's two planned new carriers armed with STOVL/JSFs.The delays and cost overruns are alarming MPs who also are asking where these intended carriers will operate in the future? An IN officer writing in the USNI Procedings has also questioned Britain's "blue water" capability given its rapidly dwindling surface fleet.Britain however ,has a very competent force of nuclear subs,both attack and ballistic and it is unlikely that the prestigious two new carriers,which also have a French variant, will be cancelled,though other projects might get the axe.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2008 ... e.military

MoD should ditch key arms projects, say MPs· Committee says cutbacks needed to make ends meet

· Report questions need to build new aircraft carriers
Richard Norton-Taylor The Guardian, Thursday March 27 2008

Pressures on the defence budget are so great that ministers should consider sacrificing one of its most prestigious projects - the £4bn replacement of two aircraft carriers - rather than simply delaying or cutting back planned new weapons systems, a powerful scrutiny committee will say today.

In a report critical of how the government procures new weapons, the cross-party Commons defence committee will challenge it to explain "what roles the two future carriers will perform ... and what capabilities these ships will give us that could not be provided in other ways".

Two carriers, the largest ships ever built for the navy, are due to be completed in 2014 and 2016 at an estimated cost of £3.9bn. Delays are likely to increase the costs while separate delays in the US Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) programme mean the first carrier will make do with ageing British Harriers, the committee notes.

Many British companies which will provide steel and other products for the ships, as well as BAE and VT, the two companies that would build them, have welcomed the project. However, the plan is questioned within and outside the MoD. Defence sources say it has become "political" rather than based on Britain's defence priorities. The carriers are due to be assembled at Rosyth dockyard in Scotland.

"The MoD needs to take the difficult decisions which will lead to a realistic and affordable equipment programme", the MPs say. They add: "This may well mean cutting whole programme, rather than just delaying orders or making cuts to the number of platforms ordered across a range of equipment programmes".

In a startling admission, General Sir Kevin O'Donoghue, chief of defence materiel, told the committee earlier this year: "I don't think we've had a properly affordable programme for many years."

However, ministers are expected to ignore the committee's advice as they struggle to make ends meet in this year's spending round. They are expected to delay the navy's shipbuilding programme, cut the RAF's order for Eurofighter/Typhoons and the army's delayed order of a new family of armoured vehicles known as Fres (Future Rapid Effects System).

Defence officials say it would be impossible to go ahead with all planned equipment programmes and pay for the basic needs of British soldiers and their families, including accommodation.

The MPs suggest plans to replace the RAF's Lynx helicopter could be vulnerable. They also urge the MoD to consider whether the time has come to "cut its losses" and abandon the updated Nimrod MRA4 maritime reconnaissance aircraft, which is running eight years behind schedule and nearly £800m over budget.

They say senior MoD officials told them problems with the Nimrod were "predictable". They add: "We are deeply concerned that they nevertheless seem to have come as such a surprise to the MoD."

James Arbuthnot, the committee chairman, said: "For too long the MoD has had an unaffordable equipment programme and needs to confront the problem rather than the usual response of salami-slicing and moving programmes to the right."

Baroness Taylor, the minister for defence equipment, said spending plans were kept "under regular review" to ensure priorities were right.

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Postby Singha » 27 Mar 2008 23:13

A330 tanker wins 13 billion pound RAF deal

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7316835.stm

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Postby NRao » 28 Mar 2008 13:49

U.S. suspends supplier of arms to Afghanistan

These Chinese are everywhere!!

U.S. investigators are looking into accusations that a company hired by the U.S. military supplied corroded and decades-old Chinese ammunition to the Afghan Army and police.

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Postby Philip » 28 Mar 2008 14:12

Latest US laser anti-tank aircraft weapon system.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jh ... ser128.xml

Laser plane could destroy tanks from 10 miles
By Tom Chivers

The United States Defence Department has developed a prototype of an aircraft armed with a laser gun that could destroy tanks 10 miles away.


The Airborne Tactical Laser weapon, shown mounted on a modified Boeing 747 aircraft

The Airborne Tactical Laser weapon is to be mounted on a Boeing aircraft and is capable of destroying targets up to 15km (10m) away, according to Defense Update online magazine.

The ten-centimetre-wide beam will heat targets almost instantly to thousands of degrees and will slice through metal even at maximum range. It is intended both for battlefield use and for missile defense.

It is anticipated that the beam will be adjustable, allowing the gunner to choose between, for example, targeting a vehicle's fuel tank to destroy it utterly, or slice through a tyre to bring it to a halt without injuring the driver.


The laser is housed in a rotating glass turret, seen here on the front of the aircraft

The laser will be housed in a rotating turret attached to the underside of the aircraft and will be aimed independently of the plane. Early tests have focused on testing the rotation of the laser housing.

So far the laser itself has not been tested in flight, but first trials are expected during 2008.

While initial tests have been carried out on a modified Boeing 747, as pictured, the most recent prototype is based on the C-130 "Hercules" transport aircraft, and the final model is likely to use the AC-130 gunship as a platform.

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Postby Marcos » 29 Mar 2008 15:50

I hope this has not been posted......

05 February 2008

A-50 RADAR PATROL AND GUIDANCE AIRCRAFT PREPARING FOR NEXT EXERCISES

/RF Defense Ministry/

A large-scale exercise conducted by AF and Navy A-50 radar patrol and guidance aircraft involved more than 10 aircraft flights during which pilots were performing missions as assigned. A specific feature of the involvement of A-50s in the exercises was that the flights were performed in the North altitudes, under the conditions of terrain without landmarks, in the adverse weather conditions. The participation in the similar exercises helps a good deal to improve a level of combat skills. Our aircraft are always involved in the similar measures and this is a serious practice for our crews, said colonel Igor Plokhikh, commander of the A-50 aircraft base.

All the A-50s currently in Russian inventory will be upgraded with AESA antenna and new equipments and is likely to be completed by 2015.

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Postby sunilUpa » 01 Apr 2008 07:40

Apparently U-214 of ROKN is also facing problems!

[quote]The ROKN’s submarine plans has hit a bit of a snag when it was discovered that its latest submarine, the ROKS Son Wonil, is noisier (about 40 decibels higher) than expected, making it easier to detect by enemy vessels. The problem has been traced to the screw shaft, and as a result the Son Wonil will be going back to the Hyundai shipyard, where it was built, to have the shaft replaced. In addition its AIP (Air Indepedent Propulsion)unit, which increases its underwater endurance, seems to be not functioning properly and the sub is reported to heel over 40 degrees during cruising.

Interestingly, HDW, the German company that designed the sub, put down USD 5 million of its own money and pledged to solve the problems in one year, before the sub’s commissioning last year. Each of the three initial boats cost USD 350 million and the ROKN is looking to buying six more.

On the other side of the world, Greece is having problems with its own HDW designed sub which is the same class as the Son Wonil. In this case, the Greeks have refused to take delivery of the sub and there are apparently “diplomatic tensionsâ€

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Postby NRao » 01 Apr 2008 07:57

I think they should sell them to TSP for 10% discount.

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Postby ranganathan » 01 Apr 2008 08:02

I don't think india should go after u-212/214 subs. The second line has to be amur-MKI or a scorpene based hybrid. Pakis are almost sure to order 3 u-214's.

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Postby sunilUpa » 01 Apr 2008 08:30

Ahem..if there is one thing to learn from the above experiment, that is not to take the risk with an untested design with Submarines, no matter who is building it! If you really want to take risk, build your own...rather than pay some one else billions of dollars to learn at your experience. After 5 years of waiting all you will end up with is a noisy clunker good for fishing. Ask the Aussies what happend when they modified the Kokum design to get Collins!

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Postby shetty » 02 Apr 2008 16:53

[url=http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/blogs/defense/index.jsp?plckController=Blog&plckScript=blogScript&plckElementId=blogDest&plckBlogPage=BlogViewPost&plckPostId=Blog%3a27ec4a53-dcc8-42d0-bd3a-01329aef79a7Post%3ab66f03a0-678d-4bca-9286-c9f7c5fd268f]
Secret US ASAT?[/url]
A derivative of the Aim-120 AMRAAM missile, the Pentagon’s established long-range air-to-air missile, is once again being tailored for a new mission – this time the interception of Scud-type short and medium-range ballistic missiles.


Analysis: US military examines pitfalls of relying on commercial aircraft

Technology Widens Cockpit View of Iraq

Upgraded B-52 still on cutting edge

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Postby Igorr » 02 Apr 2008 17:27

they have old info. indeed the payment was transferred and the next two Su-30MKAs already came to Algeria apropos.

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Postby shetty » 02 Apr 2008 17:33

Igorr wrote:
they have old info. indeed the payment was transferred and the next two Su-30MKAs already came to Algeria apropos.


Yep....

Russia continues deliveries of Su-30 fighters to Algeria

Question: This talks about the Su-30, what happended about the Mig-29, any update on that? Sounds like they terminated the Mig-29 order.

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Postby Igorr » 02 Apr 2008 22:05

shetty wrote:
Igorr wrote:
they have old info. indeed the payment was transferred and the next two Su-30MKAs already came to Algeria apropos.


Yep....

Russia continues deliveries of Su-30 fighters to Algeria

Question: This talks about the Su-30, what happended about the Mig-29, any update on that? Sounds like they terminated the Mig-29 order.
Russia agreed to return them back. They will enter service in RuAF.


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Citation:
""The Algerians are learning, like everyone else, that if they've got money why should they get ... stuff that's inappropriate when they can get good stuff from French, Europeans, British, Americans and Chinese?""
-It fit the humor thread :mrgreen: I had a good long laugh some 10 min, thanks a lot!

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Postby Philip » 03 Apr 2008 18:52

Anti-gravity technology revealed!
http://www.janes.com/aerospace/civil/ne ... _1_n.shtml

Anti-gravity propulsion comes ‘out of the closet’
29 July 2002

By Nick Cook, JDW Aerospace Consultant, London

Boeing, the world’s largest aircraft manufacturer, has admitted it is working on experimental anti-gravity projects that could overturn a century of conventional aerospace propulsion technology if the science underpinning them can be engineered into hardware.

As part of the effort, which is being run out of Boeing’s Phantom Works advanced research and development facility in Seattle, the company is trying to solicit the services of a Russian scientist who claims he has developed anti-gravity devices. So far, however, Boeing has fallen foul of Russian technology transfer controls (Moscow wants to stem the exodus of Russian high technology to the West).

Plus,more news from Groom Lake.

Images of Top-Secret U.S. Air Base Show Growth
By Mary Motta
Senior Business Correspondent
posted: 06:00 am ET
23 April 2000



Detailed images of Area 51released Sunday may not show evidence of little green men, but they doshow that the super-secret Air Force base has grown significantly overthe years.

"I want to see flying saucersas much as anyone," said Federation of American Scientists John Pike,who ordered the 1-meter (3.2-foot) images, the most detailed to date, fromThorton, Colorado-company Space Imaging. Instead, the photos -- capturedover the past few months -- show that the area has significantly expandedsince the first images were snapped of the infamous site over 30 yearsago.

"Its interesting to contemplatewhat is going on there. It seems as though there is tons of money goingin there and nothing is going out," he said.

In particular, the photosshow a runwaythat is about 3,800 meters (2.36 miles), or about 42 football fields, long.Thats even longer than the runways for the worlds largest commercialaircraft.

The images also show a burgeoninggrowth in the area, including a complete rebuilding and expansion in sizeof the housingcomplex for base personnel over the past 30 years. In addition, thereare new support facilities.

A geometrically-shaped munitionsstorage area is also identified.

Andfour aircraft hangars are visible off the runway. Conspiracy theoristshave long believed that one of these hangars, dubbed Hangar 18, is theholding area for the alien bodies and captured alien technology taken fromcrash sites.

These high-resolution images,captured by Space Imagings IKONOS satellite on April 2, were releasedless than a week after Raleigh, North Carolina-based Aerial Images unfoldedits series of 6.6-foot (2-meter) photos of the mysteriously secretive areaover the Web, crashing the site for days.

Though the publics ravenousappetite for these images was made obvious this past week, Pikes purposefor getting these photos was different.

Pike said the request wasa test to see how long it would take to gain access to these images andhow they may be used by military agencies around the world.

"This is an interesting casestudy that enables us to explore in practical rather than theoretical termsjust what is this 'Brave New World' weve entered into."

This so-called 3.3-foot (1-meter)resolution technology once was available only to intelligence agenciesthrough their own spy satellites. But it has been estimated that by theyear 2003, at least 11 companies in five countries will have high-resolution,remote-sensing cameras in orbit.

That sort of commercial technologyin space worries government officials because they believe such detailedimagery could encourage industrial espionage, terrorism or more cross-bordermilitary attacks in the developing world.

But Pike seemed unfazed bythe impact of this imagery on national security.

Because it took 2 monthsto get the images, he said the technology would only be useful during peacetimefor monitoring specific regions instead of during wartime, when the militarymay need to target a strategic area.

"The war may already be overbefore you get your picture," Pike said.

Space Imagings Mark Brenderargued that obtaining images doesnt always take so long. "We can turnstuff around in 24 hours," he said. When twin tornadoes touched down inTexas on March 28, for example, Brender says that within a few hours theywere evaluating the images and ready to release them to the public within24 hours.

"We can produce images veryshortly for natural disasters and crisis," he said.

Area 51 -- 75 miles (121kilometers) northwest of Las Vegas occupies about 150 square miles (390square kilometers) of a dried up lakebed in the Great Basin Desert, Nevada.It was named after the grid it occupies on an old Nevada map and came intoexistence in 1955 when aerospace company Lockheed Martin landed there totest the U 2, a high-altitude surveillance plane.

The top-secret base laterbecame a proving ground for several generations of high-tech prototypes,including the F 117-A Stealth fighter.

The shroud of secrecy thickenedonce the Air Force bought up about 9,000 acres of land around the baseto prevent the public from getting too close. In August 1994, an Air Forceofficial admitted the base existed, saying the Air Force has "facilitieswithin the complex near the dry lakebed of Groom Lakeused for testing,training technologies, operations and systems critical to the effectivenessof U.S. military forces."

Ufologists have long believedthat unidentified flying objects from other planets are entrenched in undergroundbases in the region and insist alien autopsies are being conducted there.But, conventional wisdom says the base is likely a center for super-secretoperations dealing with sophisticated military aircraft.

Did Pike ever believe thathis request would produce evidence of the existence of aliens?

"No! I think all that [extraterrestrial]stuff is being done out of that CIA facility in Ohio," he said laughing.

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Postby RonyKJ » 05 Apr 2008 02:04

Gerard wrote:Not Your Father's Ukrainian Army
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Could you imagine the recruiting possibilities of this photo? Bet the Ukrainians aren't short of officers for the next 20 years...


In a totally different world, probably an equally appealing photo.........

http://www.strategypage.com/military_photos/military_photos_20068101341.aspx

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Postby NRao » 05 Apr 2008 02:17

MN Kumar wrote:What the hell is this? The caption says LCS1. Picked from xinhua:

Image


Launching of the LCS-1: see video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6qKaltg ... re=related

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Postby viveks » 05 Apr 2008 05:19

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/04/ ... index.html

Uncle SAM is being careless about his money.


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