The Indo Russian PAK-FA Project

andy B · Post by **andy B** » 25 Jan 2010 17:41

SaiK wrote:
I want to see something like the atd-x

thats the japanese demo for their stealth plane right?

tejas · Post by **tejas** » 25 Jan 2010 18:48

^^^^ That aircraft exists as a hollow model onlee.

sumshyam · Post by **sumshyam** » 25 Jan 2010 23:50

Again from KEYPUBLISHING FORUM ::

Callsign for T-50 during the first flight - "Fiery"

vijyeta · Post by **vijyeta** » 26 Jan 2010 00:33

sumshyam wrote:Again from KEYPUBLISHING FORUM ::

Callsign for T-50 during the first flight - "Fiery"

Callsign?

Is NATO prescribing call signs now?
Sounds more like their name for the T-50.
Fits in well with foxbat,fulcrum, flanker....

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 26 Jan 2010 00:56

...Fishbed, Foxbat, Frogfoot and so on.

All of them Effing Effs.

I wonder what the guys at NATO will call the T-50 as. Or what they call the LCA as.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 26 Jan 2010 01:02

Callsign for T-50 during the first flight - "Fiery" (Огненный; Ognenniy)

Excuse me, "Fiery" is the callsign of air traffic control officer of airfield Dzemgi rather than T-50

ashdivay · Post by **ashdivay** » 26 Jan 2010 02:13

Nato reporting name for PAK FA is "FireFox" and for Indian Su-30MKI is "Flanker-H" i am not sure what the LCA is called.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 26 Jan 2010 02:30

it should have been the other eff..

FughRaptor.

Samay · Post by **Samay** » 26 Jan 2010 02:53

I guess Nato code names are derived such that the assigned names are clearly(sharply) sounded while communicating ,
thus pakfa or rapski would sound better.

Shalav · Post by **Shalav** » 26 Jan 2010 03:17

AFAIR

Fighters - starting with F (Flanker, Flogger, Fishbed)
Bombers - starting with B (Bear, Backfire)
Transports - starting with C (Candid, Condor)
Helicopters - starting with H (Hind, Havoc)
Others - starting with M (Midas, Mainstay)

vijyeta · Post by **vijyeta** » 26 Jan 2010 03:57

Shalav wrote:AFAIR

Fighters - starting with F (Flanker, Flogger, Fishbed)
Bombers - starting with B (Bear, Backfire)
Transports - starting with C (Candid, Condor)
Helicopters - starting with H (Hind, Havoc)
Others - starting with M (Midas, Mainstay)

Submarines - Starting with A
...Oh... and B and C...

Wonder why V is Victor and not Vodka

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 26 Jan 2010 04:38

Is it supposed to fly in Tuesday?

vavinash · Post by **vavinash** » 26 Jan 2010 05:23

Subs follow the military alphabets except akulas and typhoons. alfa, bravo, charlie, delta...

sumshyam · Post by **sumshyam** » 26 Jan 2010 07:59

NRao wrote:Is it supposed to fly in Tuesday?

People are posting things like....

First round at a height of 600m, the second and third at an altitude of 900m, the fourth at a height of 700m.
If take off will be carried out from runway number 01, then the plane will circle clockwise, if from number 19, then counterclockwise.
Wind Direction today (Tuesday) lets fly from the 1-st runway, Wednesday-Friday from 19-th.

nachiket · Post by **nachiket** » 26 Jan 2010 08:03

sumshyam wrote:
NRao wrote:Is it supposed to fly in Tuesday?
People are posting things like....
First round at a height of 600m, the second and third at an altitude of 900m, the fourth at a height of 700m.
If take off will be carried out from runway number 01, then the plane will circle clockwise, if from number 19, then counterclockwise.
Wind Direction today (Tuesday) lets fly from the 1-st runway, Wednesday-Friday from 19-th.

Where is all this getting posted?

tejas · Post by **tejas** » 26 Jan 2010 08:10

Where is all this getting posted?

See below:

http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showth ... 37&page=16

sumshyam · Post by **sumshyam** » 26 Jan 2010 08:11

self deleted :: Tejas is real fast...!

tejas · Post by **tejas** » 26 Jan 2010 08:30

self deleted :: Tejas is real fast...!

Sorry Boss

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 26 Jan 2010 09:31

Same cookie jar!

Anyways, it is Tuesday in RU. Will allow a few hours for the wafting fragrance of vodka to drift away in the cool breeze around Dzemgi Airport.

If parked sats could get something like this it would be just fine.

tejas · Post by **tejas** » 26 Jan 2010 21:22

According to a Russian poster who claims to be in the know, the PAK-FA is to fly in 48 hrs. ( i.e. Thurs.) with pics and video released several hours later.

http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showth ... 37&page=16

sumshyam · Post by **sumshyam** » 26 Jan 2010 21:47

tejas wrote: the PAK-FA is to fly in 48 hrs. ( i.e. Thurs.) with pics and video released several hours later.

The one positive development in the over all scenario is...people have started talking in terms of days..rather than in terms of months or years...

!

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 26 Jan 2010 21:52

Very off beat, but check this photo, while we wait for Thursday to roll around, when and if you have some time. Nothing to do with PAK-FA.

Gaur · Post by **Gaur** » 26 Jan 2010 21:59

^^
Link not working!

nachiket · Post by **nachiket** » 26 Jan 2010 22:16

Gaur wrote:^^
Link not working!

Working for me. Nice pic of YF-22 and (my favorite) YF-23 Black Widow II together. I always felt the 23 had a more radical and exciting shape than the 22.

Samay · Post by **Samay** » 27 Jan 2010 00:09

This seems to be one of the most accepted designs of pakfa , amongst others. Looks closer to f22

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 27 Jan 2010 02:10

And this is the Conformal Radar arrangement. I still don't like the way the exhaust is rendered.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 27 Jan 2010 03:23

sumshyam wrote:
The one positive development in the over all scenario is...people have started talking in terms of days..rather than in terms of months or years... !

Lot of product introductions this week and following worldwide by many tech companies.

sumshyam · Post by **sumshyam** » 27 Jan 2010 07:02

HERE IS AN INTERVIEW...POSTED YESTERDAY...TALKS ABOUT SOME CAUSES.....!

Original is here...!

Some quotes..!

. Aerodynamic configuration PAK FA is slightly more conservative compared to the F-22, but without a doubt, the car will be implemented by a set of measures to reduce its visibility in all (not just radar) physical fields. For the PAK FA is being developed not just a radar with an active grid, but an entire multi-purpose integrated radio electronic system, which will contain five built-in antennas.

Yury · Post by **Yury** » 27 Jan 2010 17:31

Is it supposed to fly in Tuesday?

Yes, the rumor is. In russian forums about military aviation some people are proclaiming that it will fly 28.02.10 at Komsomolsk-na-Amure. All Suhoi's VIPs are already there. Rumor is that even Pogosyan himself is there.

Callsign for T-50 during the first flight - "Fiery"

No. It's a callsign for Dzemgy airfield's air control.
http://maps.google.ru/maps/place?ftid=0 ... 0%B8&hl=ru
It's an experimental airfield for Su's.

Original is here...!

The source of the interview is smth like sh*tpile.

sumshyam · Post by **sumshyam** » 27 Jan 2010 17:58

Yury wrote:
Is it supposed to fly in Tuesday?
Yes, the rumor is. In russian forums about military aviation some people are proclaiming that it will fly 28.02.10 at Komsomolsk-na-Amure.

without a link...Nothing works here.....so...what ever the forum you may be referring...please give the link...!

Yury · Post by **Yury** » 27 Jan 2010 18:01

http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/showthread.p ... 3&page=250
http://paralay.iboards.ru/viewtopic.php ... start=2850

it's in russian, but translate.google.com will be useful, i think.

nirav · Post by **nirav** » 27 Jan 2010 18:07

Yury wrote:
Is it supposed to fly in Tuesday?
Yes, the rumor is. In russian forums about military aviation some people are proclaiming that it will fly 28.02.10 at Komsomolsk-na-Amure. All Suhoi's VIPs are already there. Rumor is that even Pogosyan himself is there.

I guess you mean 28.01.10 ....

If its 28.02.10, the anticipating fanbois might end up waging jihad against Sukhoi !

Yury · Post by **Yury** » 27 Jan 2010 18:11

If its 28.02.10, the anticipating fanbois might end up waging jihad against Sukhoi !

Ah, yes, sorry, 28.01.10 - tomorrow, speaking shortly. And, besides, there is smth like jihad already. We were fed by tales during last 3 years. But, nightingale must not be fed by fables, you know.

nrshah · Post by **nrshah** » 27 Jan 2010 19:09

sumshyam wrote:HERE IS AN INTERVIEW...POSTED YESTERDAY...TALKS ABOUT SOME CAUSES.....!

Original is here...!

Some quotes..!
. Aerodynamic configuration PAK FA is slightly more conservative compared to the F-22, but without a doubt, the car will be implemented by a set of measures to reduce its visibility in all (not just radar) physical fields. For the PAK FA is being developed not just a radar with an active grid, but an entire multi-purpose integrated radio electronic system, which will contain five built-in antennas.

The same link also says
But now in the United Aircraft Building Corporation will open prospects for the use in the PAK FA program features both in size.

Does it mean we will soon see a Russian equivalent of F 35?

It also says
And in the Far East, some of our neighbors are to Russia's territorial claims, and these neighbors is also quite likely to have a fifth-generation fighter, including heavy ones

Is he speaking of PRC? If yes, our apprehension in MMRCA with respect to role of russia in event of Sino Indo conflict is mitigated. Isn't it?

Yury · Post by **Yury** » 27 Jan 2010 19:29

Does it mean we will soon see a Russian equivalent of F 35?

well, you can see previous version even now

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bg3MF_e7YX4
this is version of 1994. Yes, i think that there will be lightweigth single-engine fighter. But when - i cannot even imagine. Nowdays it's equivalent will be Mig-35.

Sino Indo conflict

you're joking

it's unimaginable situation. You both have nukes, you know. And even hydrogen bombs. And both of you have more than one billion brave people. Why to commit a suicide in such a complex way?

quite likely to have a fifth-generation fighter

What's a PRC? Probable chinese 5-gen? Well, they are very far from it. Especially in most difficult part of 5-gen-plane - the supersonic-cruise turbofan engine with thrust vectoring.

nrshah · Post by **nrshah** » 27 Jan 2010 19:35

Yury wrote: well, you can see previous version even now
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bg3MF_e7YX4
this is version of 1994. Yes, i think that there will be lightweigth single-engine fighter. But when - i cannot even imagine. Nowdays it's equivalent will be Mig-35.

Revisit the question, it was regarding F 35 equivalent, not what was developed/in development in 1994

you're joking it's unimaginable situation. You both have nukes, you know. And even hydrogen bombs. And both of you have more than one billion brave people. Why to commit a suicide in such a complex way?

So should we stop collaborating with Russians in PAk FA? Stop testing A 3/5? Cancel AKULA 2 Lease?????

What's a PRC? Probable chinese 5-gen? Well, they are very far from it. Especially in even our's most difficult part of 5-gen-figher - the supercruise turbojet engine.

Go thru the article. It says Pak fa will have useful life till 2040/50. Wouldn't they(PRC) produce a 5th gen fighter till then?

Yury · Post by **Yury** » 27 Jan 2010 19:45

Revisit the question, it was regarding F 35 equivalent, not what was developed/in development in 1994

Well, F-35 does not even exist in production

And by the way, it is not so cool, like probable PAKFA and nowdays F-22. In the terms of 5-gen plane it isn't even 5-gen at all.

So should we stop collaborating with Russians in PAk FA? Stop testing A 3/5? Cancel AKULA 2 Lease?????

It's your money, after all. The threat lies not in Chine, believe me. It's over the seas and far away.

Go thru the article. It says Pak fa will have useful life till 2040/50. Wouldn't they(PRC) produce a 5th gen fighter till then?

It will have usefull life until 2050, if it will be manufactured in middle 2020ies. Again, in terms of Sino-Indian war hi-precision ICBMs with nonnuclear warheads posess much more of a threat to Chine, than any amount of PAK FA or BlackShark.
You have Pakistan nearby - that is much more of a target for 5-gen fighter of your possession.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 27 Jan 2010 19:53

Yury wrote:And by the way, it is not so cool, like probable PAKFA and nowdays F-22

cool factor!

in aerodynamic / mil terms?

sumshyam · Post by **sumshyam** » 27 Jan 2010 19:58

Yury wrote: It will have usefull life until 2050, if it will be manufactured in middle 2020ies. Again, in terms of Sino-Indian war hi-precision ICBMs with nonnuclear warheads posess much more of a threat to Chine, than any amount of PAK FA or BlackShark.
You have Pakistan nearby - that is much more of a target for 5-gen fighter of your possession.

Ok.....I think it is not about Pakistan or China....or threats from far away...It is more about peace with strength.

I think...repeating steps of Ashoka :: the great..is not wise.

Anyhow....Just one OT....

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Yury · Post by **Yury** » 27 Jan 2010 20:14

cool factor! in aerodynamic terms?

well, 5-gen distinguishing features are like those:
1. non-afterburner supersonic cruise speed
2. supermaneuverability
3. stealth
4. active phased radar grid
5. integration in "digital battlefield" systems and hi-intellectual avionics

Points 4 and 5 are present in F-35. Point 1 surely not present. Full thrust-vectoring, in my opinion cannot be reached in one-nozzle engine. And stealth... well. No INDEPENDENT SOURCE cannot verify stealth capabilities degree of both fighters - F-22 and F-35. Radars of SAMs progress much more quickly than stealth technologies. Remember - the idea of stealth reached american minds only after reading of Ufimcev's works. Can you possibly imagine, that USSR was able to step out of any possible opportunity overwhelm yankees in military technology?
P.S.
Well, i really respect Ashoka or Gandhi. But - Si vis pacem, para bellum. Besides, war race is very useful for science.