Miscellaneous Pictures - Indian Military

Surya · Post by **Surya** » 19 Oct 2010 17:27

As far as i Know its Army SF operators that rotate through RR units that carry Tavors.. RR units on their own dont have TAVORs

Not true - The RR CDOs are not normal RR bns - well qualified to be given Tavors

Gaur · Post by **Gaur** » 19 Oct 2010 17:30

rkhanna wrote:
As far as i Know its Army SF operators that rotate through RR units that carry Tavors.. RR units on their own dont have TAVORs. Army SF operates in Kashmir as stand Alone units as well as elements of RR Cdo units.

IA personnel cannot take their weapons to the unit they are deployed with. They have to use the weapons available with the unit.

rkhanna · Post by **rkhanna** » 19 Oct 2010 17:53

I could be wrong but as far as i was told by a former RR Btn Commander each of the 5 RR Forces (theater units) has a Commando Unit. All RR Units are staffed by Army Personnel on a 2-3 year Deputation. RR CDO units are staffed by Army SF (to a large degree). Hence the Prevalence of TAVORs with RR Cdo. When the TAVORs were first inducted the most logical choice for their battle testing was Kashmir.

Another thing.. The TAVORs (AFAIK) were bought out of the SF budget. I doubt SF would see their purchases being issued to anybody outside their house.

IA personnel cannot take their weapons to the unit they are deployed with. They have to use the weapons available with the unit.

While that would apply to regular infantry it may or may not be the Case with special operation troops.

AdityaM · Post by **AdityaM** » 21 Oct 2010 12:35

The Officers Mess, Garhwal Rifles, Lansdowne, 1894

More at: http://www.travelblog.org/Photos/1713137

Aditya G · Post by **Aditya G** » 21 Oct 2010 19:25

rkhanna wrote:I could be wrong but as far as i was told by a former RR Btn Commander each of the 5 RR Forces (theater units) has a Commando Unit.

He probably meant the QRT that is assigned to each RR force.

These personnel could be 31 RR (Cdo).

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 23 Oct 2010 05:34

Indian Army soldiers take cover behind a wall as they try to storm a house where suspected militants were hiding during a gun battle on the outskirts of Srinagar, India, Thursday, Oct. 21, 2010. Indian troops killed two suspected rebels in a nine-hour gun battle in a village in Indian-controlled Kashmir on Thursday, police said.

An Indian Army soldier checks his ammunition before joining his colleagues to fight with suspected militants near the site of a gunbattle on the outskirts of Srinagar, India, Thursday, Oct. 21, 2010. Indian troops killed two suspected rebels in a nine-hour gunbattle in a village in Indian-controlled Kashmir on Thursday, police said.

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Maloora operations, srinagar outskirts

Indian army soldiers evacuate Kashmiri Muslims during an encounter as separatist militants and soldiers fought a gunbattle in Maloora, a residential area of Srinagar, the main city in Indian Kashmir which has been under regular curfews for months, on October 21, 2010. Indian troops and counter-insurgency police surrounded a house where the militants were holed up early in the morning in the suburbs of the city.

An Indian army soldier rolls on the ground after suspected militants opened fire during an encounter as separatist militants and soldiers fought a gunbattle in Maloora, a residential area of Srinagar, the main city in Indian Kashmir which has been under regular curfews for months, on October 21, 2010. Indian troops and counter-insurgency police surrounded a house where the militants were holed up early in the morning in the suburbs of the city.

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Paramilitary soldiers are dressed for wet weather as they patrol a hilly terrain, a day after a gun battle in the region, in Pulwama, India, Friday, Oct. 22, 2010. The Indian Army said troops killed three suspected rebels in a nine-hour battle in a village on the outskirts of Srinagar. (AP Photo) ** INDIA OUT.

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 23 Oct 2010 05:46

Hope the guy rolling in the pics didn't get hit.

Jagan · Post by **Jagan** » 23 Oct 2010 05:51

You have to hand it to the Kashmiri Photo Journalists for getting these photos... they are doing a great service.

uddu · Post by **uddu** » 23 Oct 2010 08:34

Know that this page is only for pics. But to understand the situation better here is a video of the same.

Another Link
Do I see two big bullet holes in the helmet of that soldier?

kaangeya · Post by **kaangeya** » 23 Oct 2010 09:08

One of the pics shows a J&K police officer with the RR/IA - good jointness. And also we seem to be quietly going the embedded journalist way with fully kitted out field reporters - BPJ, helmet and all. Also all those pix of IA soldiers escorting women and children out of harm's way shows up to be a lie all that smear about IA being the oppressor. Hope the terrorist scum are vanquished.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 23 Oct 2010 09:09

Raja Bose wrote:Hope the guy rolling in the pics didn't get hit.

I don't think he did. I saw the video clip in the news. In any case there were no reports of injuries among soldiers that I can recall.

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 23 Oct 2010 09:35

What is wrong with our DDM

"Encounter with suspected militants" indeed. The goddamn scum are firing automatic weapons at soldiers and police - what does the DDM think they are? Gymkhana shooting club members?!

Yeah from the video it is clear he didn't get hit - he seemed to be firing from an exposed position though it is hard to tell correctly from still pictures.

caesar · Post by **caesar** » 23 Oct 2010 10:05

Excellent pics ,INDIAN ARMY is the best.

Bihanga · Post by **Bihanga** » 23 Oct 2010 17:55

shyamd wrote:
Paramilitary soldiers are dressed for wet weather as they patrol a hilly terrain, a day after a gun battle in the region, in Pulwama, India, Friday, Oct. 22, 2010. The Indian Army said troops killed three suspected rebels in a nine-hour battle in a village on the outskirts of Srinagar. (AP Photo) ** INDIA OUT.

Just look at above photograph and rainy wears of our soldiers. It just look plain hilirious in this modern age to wear something like this, heck even soldiers of World Wars had better gears when it comes to dealing with wet conditions.

tushar_m · Post by **tushar_m** » 23 Oct 2010 18:08

ARMY EXPO AT RAIPUR CG

AK 47 with grenade launcher

INSAS

DRAGNOV SNIPER RIFEL

MORTAR

MORTAR SHELLS

Anti tank missile launcher

MMG(medium machine gun) with 29 round grenade launcher on the back

NIGHT VISION

T72 TANK with GPS & ballistic Armour & auto loader

T72 with anti aircraft gun

T55 TANK

BMP II

ANTI-AIRCRAFT GUN on some truck

ANTI-AIRCRAFT GUNS

145 MM ARTILLERY

TANK SHELLS

120 MM SHELL

BRAHMOS CRUISE MISSILE

atreya · Post by **atreya** » 23 Oct 2010 18:28

The soldier rolled the length of the path. Didn't he get dizzy?

The pics are great, IA at its professional best, for slaying all 3 (or 2?) without a single injury to their own soldiers.
A noob doubt though- I see two different AK rifles here. The normal one (AK 47 or 74) and the black one with a different magazine. Is the latter an AK 103?

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 23 Oct 2010 18:36

Thank you tushar_m

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 23 Oct 2010 18:39

Bihanga wrote:
Just look at above photograph and rainy wears of our soldiers. It just look plain hilirious in this modern age to wear something like this, heck even soldiers of World Wars had better gears when it comes to dealing with wet conditions.

In fact I don't see what is hilarious. Could you post some pictures of what real soldiers wear in a tropical rainstorm so I can learn and laugh with you?

Gaur · Post by **Gaur** » 23 Oct 2010 18:56

Tushar_M,
Thanks a lot for the pictures.

Bihanga,
Yes, I know, its an outrage. How can our soldiers wear raincoats that prevent them from getting wet? The raincoats are not even certified by any reputable fashion house!

rkhanna · Post by **rkhanna** » 23 Oct 2010 20:03

Just look at above photograph and rainy wears of our soldiers. It just look plain hilirious in this modern age to wear something like this, heck even soldiers of World Wars had better gears when it comes to dealing with wet conditions.

I have seen US troops in and around Yakota and Zama wearing Large Bin Liners as a Parka/Poncho. Camo these Rain Coats up and they will look more MilSpec if you wish. Add a GoreTex Fur Lining and its suddenly hitech and fashionable.

On a Side note..I like the uniform gun discipline in that picture.

Bala Vignesh · Post by **Bala Vignesh** » 23 Oct 2010 20:16

Bihanga wrote: Just look at above photograph and rainy wears of our soldiers. It just look plain hilirious in this modern age to wear something like this, heck even soldiers of World Wars had better gears when it comes to dealing with wet conditions.

It seems that the Almighty US Army also uses the same kind of wet weather gear... What has happened to them too, right???

added later- Khana sahab beat me to it...

Aditya G · Post by **Aditya G** » 23 Oct 2010 22:57

Bihanga wrote:... heck even soldiers of World Wars had better gears when it comes to dealing with wet conditions.

Can you show us pictures of the 'better gear' from WW2, or present.

Aditya G · Post by **Aditya G** » 23 Oct 2010 23:00

Is it a 'self propelled' AAA jugaad

Gaur · Post by **Gaur** » 23 Oct 2010 23:38

Indra 2010
http://livefist.blogspot.com/2010/10/ph ... rcise.html
Seems like other units have also been equipped with Tavors. Also, the helmet looks to be very different (neither patka nor the old steel one).
The strange thing is that the Naga regiment's gear is very different in the Indra 2010 youtube videos. Does anyone know which other unit was involved in the exercise?

D Roy · Post by **D Roy** » 24 Oct 2010 00:50

I think those are Israeli OR-801 helmets.

Aditya G,

truck mounted 23 mm is standard fare across ex soviet bloc and asian countries.

First time seeing a photo of one inn Indian service though.

Gaur · Post by **Gaur** » 24 Oct 2010 01:25

^^
Wow! Good catch. Referenced with some IDF pics and the helmet does look similar. More amazingly, a google search for "Israel OR-801 helmet" (and similar queries) did not return any positive hit. How did you find out the exact name of the helmet? If it was through Google then I certainly need to join some goggling classes.

D Roy · Post by **D Roy** » 24 Oct 2010 01:33

Gaur,

my bad. try OR-201.

anchal · Post by **anchal** » 24 Oct 2010 01:49

Great pics of Indian Army ops. The bearded soldier escorting a family of three looks very menacing

Gaur · Post by **Gaur** » 24 Oct 2010 01:57

D Roy,
Thanks. Do you know what level of protection does OR-201 provides? Wikipedia just says that its a kevlar helmet. Does it only provide protection against handguns like American PASGT and ACH or does it also provides some level of protection from 7.62 mm like patka?

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 24 Oct 2010 02:42

The 1st two rifles on display - AK47 and INSAS look pretty beaten up. Wonder if some fauji fresh from some training range was asked to put his service weapon on display!

The dragunovs look very well maintained but then sniper rifles usually are.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 24 Oct 2010 02:48

that 'funny rainwear' is called a poncho i believe...

Jagan · Post by **Jagan** » 24 Oct 2010 04:50

D Roy wrote:I think those are Israeli OR-801 helmets.

Aditya G,

truck mounted 23 mm is standard fare across ex soviet bloc and asian countries.

First time seeing a photo of one inn Indian service though.

Second time, but this one is signficantly different from the first one. I clearly remember the first one had a lower mounting - this one seems to have the ZSUs higher up than the earlier one. makes sense I guess - to have clear field of view for the guns - not get the drivers cabin in the way...

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 24 Oct 2010 05:43

anchal wrote:Great pics of Indian Army ops. The bearded soldier escorting a family of three looks very menacing

The greatness of the pic is shown by the fear in the faces of all 3 people - especially the father and the child and the soldier is escorting them to safety to get bak and deal with wha tis causing them that fear.

D Roy · Post by **D Roy** » 24 Oct 2010 10:05

Jagan,

could be a secondary vs primary role issue.

usual support mode vs plain vanilla Ack ack specification. Can you post that previous pic here.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 24 Oct 2010 12:54

I feel so sorry for that family - fear is written on their faces. Look at the poor child and the man.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 24 Oct 2010 14:10

Wonder if any one in India either GOI or NGO has done any study on Kashmir to see how year of terrorism , fear and living under the gun has impacted the people of that state.

I remember reading post GW1 , US did similar studies on it soldier and found that psychologically they went through harrowing time after returing home with various physiological disorder with long term consequences.

I really feel sorry for that family in that picture and for many others who must have gone through traumatic experience.

Gaurav_S · Post by **Gaurav_S** » 24 Oct 2010 15:14

Guru log a question that I have been pondering over for quite some time now. What are the main sources of tip-off about pigs hiding somewhere in J&K? Is it civilians, J&K police or even something else? Also how can RR confirm about number of pigs being held up without entering the house? I mean do they use thermal imagery to scan the building during COIN?

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 24 Oct 2010 15:33

The person who guided those pigs was arrested. He must have provided some information.

I don't know how RR got their hands on that guide.

Gaur · Post by **Gaur** » 24 Oct 2010 15:41

Gaurav_S,
I do not know about this particular case, but talking in general terms, IA has a very robust intelligence setup in J&K. For eg: JAKLI TA is mostly comprised of ex-militants who are very highly regarded for their information gathering capabilities.
I guess that BSF and J&K police also employ similar methods.

abhik · Post by **abhik** » 24 Oct 2010 15:59

It must be an illusion but it seems as though the guy in the first picture is wearing his helmet ulta front side back(or is it made like that?) <picture 1>.Unlike everybody else's from ear onwards the helmet seems angle slightly upwards covering even less of the back of the head rather than angle downwards like in the other pictures<picture 2> and <picture 3> and like most other helmets.
Am assuming that all the helmets are of the same make.