Miscellaneous Pictures - Indian Military

hnair · Post by **hnair** » 05 Oct 2010 23:15

Those consistently being used for proximal security of Karzai are mostly Blackwater/Xe types, not serving SEAL/other Fort Bragg types. Maybe they once were in Fort Bragg when they were in service, a distinct advantage if they are applying for a Xe job. Serving Fort Bragg types seem to be used for more no-nonsense tasks and are always in demand. Hence this "outsourcing". I remember reading this rather interesting anecdote of the name calling fights amongst these private-militia gentlemen. The men guarding high value khan's proteges like Chelabi, Karzai etc and State Dept types like ex-Administrator, Paul Bremer etc were derisively called "Pretty boys" by those para-mil/privateer types who acts as low grade thugs in the streets of Baghdad and Kabul. A bit of envy at being considered "too ugly to be photographed" is there. Apparently, Chinese Politburo is NOT the only one concerned with prettiness and personal grooming

Regarding SPG men, purely IMHO/enthusiast's opinion etc. These gentlemen of the counter-assault are disturbing to say the least. I never expected GoI to come up with such a "yo mama!" response like them against the jihadis. The very first photo that showed lack of helmet, but otherwise heavily protected (including ballistic knee pads) meant one thing - only a head shot is going to make them stop firing at piglets. And professional guys wantonly preparing for that eventuality to protect a national leader is not seen often in a democratic Govt's forces (their white house counterparts in black SUVs seem to wear helmets). Those guys are GoI's challenge to the pakis - you try throwing your crazy low IQ piglets against our leadership, we throw our equally crazy but exceptionally fine boys back. I dont think these guys probably ever care about retirement benefits. One can only envy and salute such men

Lal-saar, they cant afford friendly fire situations where Indian snipers are scanning crowds, hence I believe no helmet, plus the counter-fidayeen mentality above. Khan guys have some invisible infra-red paint on their helmets, but I guess even that is available to jihadis via the paki govt

IIRC, some of the SPG guys (the famous Mithun-da dude) even color their hair in distinct patterns. By now, even we know these handful of men by sight, from various photos and know they are the good guys. Something which seems counter-intuitive in the usually anonymity seeking world of dark arts, which is what got me disturbed in the first place.

I guess when shooting starts, whomever is not familiar to them, but are packing pieces are turned into toast, helmet or not. Best is to lie down in a gubo fashion at the first instance of popping sounds when these guys are around.

vivekmehta, those glasses seem more anti-glare for heavily back lit or reflective inside areas. Again guesses only

darshhan · Post by **darshhan** » 06 Oct 2010 00:38

^^The glasses the SPG guys are wearing are ballistic goggles.They are supposed to protect the eyes from splinters and spent cartridge cases.For more info on ballistic goggles technology check out the following link.

http://www.revisioneyewear.com/technology.html

Oakley is another famous brand.

I doubt if it has anything to do with anti glare functionality as the primary purpose of these glasses.

Any one who has ever been to a shooting range would have worn this especially in USA.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 06 Oct 2010 00:43

I think it is very likely that the specs are polarisers that filter out the specific lasers (from dazzlers etc) that the SPG guys use. there's no other reason for them to be issued specs as standard.
of course they do use use the earphones, throat mikes etc. check older pics from this thread.

hnair · Post by **hnair** » 06 Oct 2010 00:59

darshhan, I do have a pair of oakleys with filters, dont know if they can stop a anything other than BB pellets? Spent cartridge not sure, but bullet spalls/low speed ricochet off the braking material behind targets etc make them mandatory for civilians due to range safety regulations. Never heard it being mandatory for combat. But then you may be right too

Rahul M, good point on lasers, never thought of that

Heard that the pro tennis players have a filtered contact-lens for contrasting the yellow ball against background clutter. Wonder if there are such reasons too?

darshhan · Post by **darshhan** » 06 Oct 2010 01:32

Rahul m Ji , Some of the goggles are indeed capable of filtering lasers by blocking specific wavelengths as you said.But apparently they are special lenses and you have to specify such when ordering.Just check my earlier link for revision eyewear.Although I would be very surprised if SPG didn't have top of the line equipment.But primarily these glasses are ballistic goggles which should be capable of protecting the eyes from projectiles having low velocity and small calibers such as splinters.There is an added benefit of eye protection from dust,sand,cold weather etc by default as well.According to some testimonials some of these glasses have also protected eyes from explosive sharpnels.

http://www.esseyepro.com/testimonials.html

“The story behind my ESS goggles is as follows… On 07 April 2003, 1430hrs vic. Baghdad (obj. MOE), our vehicle took a direct hit from an overlooked RPG team to our left flank, destroying our TOW missile launcher and my Bradley commander’s hatch. I was hit in my neck, left shoulder and face with shrapnel, but thanks to my ESS goggles, my eyesight is still intact and no shrapnel penetrated my ESS goggle lenses at all. These goggles still have the shrapnel in the lens! I fought through the shrapnel and continued to bring the fight to the enemy. I believe that if the shrapnel would have hit my eyes that would have taken me and my crew out of a serious and historical fight that helped in the fall of the Saddam regime. Thank You Very Much for your wonderful product! I'm a believer in your product, protecting eyes ONE BATTLE AT A TIME.”
SFC Morales, Aco 3rd BN 15th IN

Hnair ji,Oakleys are a very good brand of ballistic goggles so it should be able to stop spent cartridge cases from damaging your eyes.You can also check out Oakley website and note the specifications of the make of your particular goggles.It should clear all the doubts.Any half decent ballistic goggles should be able to stop spent cartridge cases since their velocity is very less.Do not test it by yourself though.Your contributions are very valuable to this forum.

hnair · Post by **hnair** » 06 Oct 2010 01:44

darshhan wrote: Hnair ji,Oakleys are a very good brand of ballistic goggles so it should be able to stop spent cartridge cases from damaging your eyes.You can also check out Oakley website and note the specifications of the make of your particular goggles.It should clear all the doubts.Any half decent ballistic goggles should be able to stop spent cartridge cases since their velocity is very less.Do not test it by yourself though.Your contributions are very valuable to this forum.

darshhan-saar, I brought this particular one based on recommendation from a law enforcement friend and found it to be nice. anecdotes of stopping a bullet or shrap is, well.... it can happen if the stars align and bless the wearer

As mentioned before, spent cartridges are not considered a big issue as in shooting ranges in urban areas (close proximity to other fellow shooters in adjacent stalls etc). But not enough when compared to keeping these glasses clear all the time (they are not self cleaning and can fog up if the shooter is running or excited

).

Moving on from eye wear topic....

darshhan · Post by **darshhan** » 06 Oct 2010 01:51

^^ Agreed.Even I would not count on them to protect against bullets and sharpnel.In fact in my opinion protection from dust,sand etc would take higher precedence for any soldier as far as combat effectiveness is concerned.Anything else is a bonus.

Craig Alpert · Post by **Craig Alpert** » 06 Oct 2010 04:15

Jagan · Post by **Jagan** » 06 Oct 2010 05:15

101001-N-2013O-083 by USS George Washington, on Flickr

101001-N-2013O-083 PACIFIC OCEAN (Oct. 1, 2010) – Rear Adm. Dan Cloyd, Commander, Task Force 70, speaks to Group Capt. Umesh Kumar of the Indian Air Force following a distinguished visitors tour in the captain’s cabin of USS George Washington (CVN 73). Members of the United States, Japanese, Indian, Singaporean, Pakistani, and Vietnamese armed forces toured the ship as a means of strengthening relations with regional partners. George Washington, the Navy’s only permanently forward-deployed aircraft carrier, is currently underway helping to ensure security and stability in the western Pacific Ocean. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 3rd Class Charles Oki/RELEASED)

A Sharma · Post by **A Sharma** » 06 Oct 2010 06:46

The exercise Shatrujeet-10 a joint Indo-US amphibious exercise was held at Camp Pendelton, California, USA recently. In the exercise, Indian side was represented by 16 Madras (Travancore) and the US side by 2/5 Marine Regiment.

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 06 Oct 2010 07:18

So now we have graduated from scooter helmet

to why-no-helmet

These SPG guys (some of them seem to be the same good fellas from a year back) are counter assault onlee - they are not meant to blend in, they are meant to intimidate. And as for helmets, unlike sooper-dooper assault kamandu types who go in and out like khan mijjile in paki musharraf, these fellas have long stretches of duty when they have to be 400% alert - helmet is heavy, cumbersome, limited use (if they get shot in the head at close quarters not too much can save them) and reduces awareness. Have some trust in them to decide what they need or don't need (same goes for comments on MARCOS pics) - they have everything they need (unlike the NSG

).

nachiket · Post by **nachiket** » 06 Oct 2010 07:26

Raja Bose wrote:So now we have graduated from scooter helmet to why-no-helmet

I have a different

onlee! Why are only those soldiers tasked with protecting the gobermund's musharraf provided such top notch equipment. Bliss to compare SPG pics with those of NSG during 26/11.

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 06 Oct 2010 07:46

Becoz our musharraf is not worth a musharraf's musharraf.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 06 Oct 2010 08:49

Raja Bose wrote:So now we have graduated from scooter helmet to why-no-helmet

These SPG guys (some of them seem to be the same good fellas from a year back) are counter assault onlee - they are not meant to blend in, they are meant to intimidate. And as for helmets, unlike sooper-dooper assault kamandu types who go in and out like khan mijjile in paki musharraf, these fellas have long stretches of duty when they have to be 400% alert - helmet is heavy, cumbersome, limited use (if they get shot in the head at close quarters not too much can save them) and reduces awareness. Have some trust in them to decide what they need or don't need (same goes for comments on MARCOS pics) - they have everything they need (unlike the NSG ).

Well a Pakistani terrorist trained by ISI with a Chinese copy of an Israeli "shoot around the corner" gun with invisible laser marker and guided by GPS can take these guys out any minute and it would give me more confidence to see our SPG like Arnold Schwarzenegger in that movie. I will fill the name of the movie in later - but you know what I mean. Why can't we learn from the real experts?

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 06 Oct 2010 09:19

But tallel than gleat wall GPS will phail onlee indoors, no?

Do you mean kamandu or kindergarten cop - both start with K onlee.

ParGha · Post by **ParGha** » 06 Oct 2010 18:58

nachiket wrote:I have a different onlee! Why are only those soldiers tasked with protecting the gobermund's musharraf provided such top notch equipment. Bliss to compare SPG pics with those of NSG during 26/11.

SPG gets freebies from different vendors as a marketing ploy. The idea is to get the SPG to adopt their product as the standard arms, and then leverage it for much bigger and profitable sales to other forces (like NSG, military spec ops forces, regular officers, police forces, etc). It is a win-win for both sides as long as it runs honestly.

nachiket · Post by **nachiket** » 07 Oct 2010 05:55

ParGha wrote:
SPG gets freebies from different vendors as a marketing ploy. The idea is to get the SPG to adopt their product as the standard arms, and then leverage it for much bigger and profitable sales to other forces (like NSG, military spec ops forces, regular officers, police forces, etc). It is a win-win for both sides as long as it runs honestly.

Could be. But the equipment in the pictures (including the earlier ones) appears too standardized for such a possibility.

VishalJ · Post by **VishalJ** » 10 Oct 2010 21:19

Just recd Wg Cdr Chauhan's Email, Check-out his fabulous photos from Hindon

From: torque aviation
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2010 9:14 AM
To: Vishal Jolapara
Subject: 78th Indian Air Force Day, Hindon , 08 Oct 2010

Dear all,

The Indian Air Force celebrated 78th Air Force Day on 08 Oct 2010.

To see photos of AF Day : log on to following link ► http://www.flickr.com/photos/torqueavia ... 126012912/

Best Wishes,

Wg Cdr R S Chauhan(Retd)
http://www.torqueaviation.com

Venkarl · Post by **Venkarl** » 10 Oct 2010 22:05

Thanks for sharing the flickr link Vishal....very nice pictures.....my love for Dhruv is growing everytime I see it..

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 10 Oct 2010 22:32

ParGha wrote: SPG gets freebies from different vendors as a marketing ploy. The idea is to get the SPG to adopt their product as the standard arms, and then leverage it for much bigger and profitable sales to other forces (like NSG, military spec ops forces, regular officers, police forces, etc). It is a win-win for both sides as long as it runs honestly.

SPG like all similar units has a team of people to do evaluation - do you seriously think they are going to equip themselves with one-off freebies on duty

Any equipment inducted has the whole nine yards of spares, maintainance etc. all set up with the approved vendor after evaluation. Equipment under evaluation is not given out during deployment as it can lead to disastrous consequences (especially when you are guarding the fat cats). I doubt such sadak-chaap habit of using small arms/equipment freebies on deployment is done anywhere in the world except the super-dooper Pureland SSG.

chackojoseph · Post by **chackojoseph** » 14 Oct 2010 09:15

Impression of INS Shakti and her sister

link

chackojoseph · Post by **chackojoseph** » 14 Oct 2010 12:09

3 Pics of INS Kalpeni are uploaded

Must say that the Cochin PRO has sent these great pics. Its far leap from people cutting ribbons and breaking coconuts.

abhik · Post by **abhik** » 16 Oct 2010 15:51

Guys are there any pictures of the MKI carrying bombs (say like LGBs) other than those ~150kg cluster bombs(forgot what what they are called)

Pratik_S · Post by **Pratik_S** » 16 Oct 2010 20:20

^^Do you mean RBK-500 ?
This is a image of Russian Flanker with them.

abhik · Post by **abhik** » 16 Oct 2010 22:10

^^^
No, I meant an picture of an IAF MKI carrying for example LGBs, something like the dozens of pictures of Jags, LCAs and Mirages.Something like this
http://www.acig.org/artman/uploads/jaguar_lgb1.jpg

chackojoseph · Post by **chackojoseph** » 17 Oct 2010 14:41

Click for larger Picture of Rustom

Dmurphy · Post by **Dmurphy** » 17 Oct 2010 17:19

^^^Thats Rustom? Pardon my ignorance, but whatever happened to its bulge in the front and big tail the back ?

Pratik_S · Post by **Pratik_S** » 17 Oct 2010 18:10

Dmurphy wrote:^^^Thats Rustom? Pardon my ignorance, but whatever happened to its bulge in the front and big tail the back ?

There are two Rustom's. Rustom-I and Rustom-H. The image you posted is that of Rustom-H.
Take a look at this:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_o_no4M2xEPY/T ... OM-H-2.JPG

abhik wrote: No, I meant an picture of an IAF MKI carrying for example LGBs, something like the dozens of pictures of Jags, LCAs and Mirages.Something like this

No sorry, there aren't any images of SU-30MKI with DRDO LGB's. I thought you meant cluster bombs.

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 17 Oct 2010 20:57

sum wrote:http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/me ... 1-0&size=l

I've seen such Sumo vehicles a lot in J&K, mostly in VVIP cavalcades. Except for the antennas, they are unmarked.

During CWG, Nagaland police looked really cool, fit and alert compared to Dilli police which seems lazy. Not an ounce of fat or slouching by these people. Females looked particularly awesome with their SLR rifles and uniforms.

INSAS should've been better though IMHO onlee

vaibhav.n · Post by **vaibhav.n** » 18 Oct 2010 18:24

Do not know if this pic has been seen before, but isnt the SF guy on the extreme right holding a silenced Uzi, looks to have a MARS sight on it too...have not seen too many Uzi's in IA duty.

ParGha · Post by **ParGha** » 18 Oct 2010 18:51

vaibhav.n wrote:Do not know if this pic has been seen before, but isnt the SF guy on the extreme right holding a silenced Uzi, looks to have a MARS sight on it too...have not seen too many Uzi's in IA duty.

I don't have enough resolution on my phone to confirm whether it is a Uzi or not, but Uzis have long been in limited service with the Paras. Please see BR picture gallery for a 10 Para(?) unit where a Carl Gustav operator is also carrying a Uzi as backup.

As for SPG and freebies, I take my post back. I keep forgetting how large a force the SPG is

Bala Vignesh · Post by **Bala Vignesh** » 18 Oct 2010 23:17

vaibhavji...
That indeed looks like an uzi... And uzi is even listed in the equipments page of the indian army in BR...

atreya · Post by **atreya** » 18 Oct 2010 23:45

Bala Vignesh wrote:vaibhavji...
That indeed looks like an uzi... And uzi is even listed in the equipments page of the indian army in BR...

It may very well be, but I notice a vertical forward grip, just behind the silencer. IMVHO, Uzi doesn't have one. Please do correct if I am wrong

ParGha · Post by **ParGha** » 19 Oct 2010 06:15

atreya wrote:
Bala Vignesh wrote:vaibhavji... That indeed looks like an uzi... And uzi is even listed in the equipments page of the indian army in BR...
It may very well be, but I notice a vertical forward grip, just behind the silencer. IMVHO, Uzi doesn't have one. Please do correct if I am wrong

It may be added optionally: http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/LAND-FORC ... 8.jpg.html

Dmurphy · Post by **Dmurphy** » 19 Oct 2010 06:32

vaibhav.n wrote:Do not know if this pic has been seen before, but isnt the SF guy on the extreme right holding a silenced Uzi, looks to have a MARS sight on it too...have not seen too many Uzi's in IA duty.

Are they army men for sure? the jawan on the extreme left is carrying a Tavor, which could mean they're RR.

D Roy · Post by **D Roy** » 19 Oct 2010 08:52

does look like a silenced micro uzi judging by the shoulder stock but there is a possibility that it could belong to the Steyr TMP /B+T MP9 family.

sarabpal.s · Post by **sarabpal.s** » 19 Oct 2010 15:04

Single barrel grenade launcher

Not much clear pics not 100 sure

rkhanna · Post by **rkhanna** » 19 Oct 2010 16:36

Looks like an UZI. i think i have seen a larger res pic of the same photo.

Also i have seen a number of pictures of Indian SF with Silenced UZIs.. The handgrip however is new. THe barrel looks too thin to be a GL.

rkhanna · Post by **rkhanna** » 19 Oct 2010 16:39

Are they army men for sure? the jawan on the extreme left is carrying a Tavor, which could mean they're RR.

As far as i Know its Army SF operators that rotate through RR units that carry Tavors.. RR units on their own dont have TAVORs. Army SF operates in Kashmir as stand Alone units as well as elements of RR Cdo units.