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Re: Miscellaneous Pictures - Indian Military

Postby svinayak » 29 Nov 2011 14:50

US Mil Clothes are of special material and are washed in special process in machine. Very scientific

They do not get damaged during wash.

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Re: Miscellaneous Pictures - Indian Military

Postby Gaur » 29 Nov 2011 16:15

Surya wrote:
Regarding the TAR-21s, MARCOS have only recently started recieving them from IMI (Jan 2011 IIRC). It was mentioned in some news reports posted in SF forum.


come on

The Tavors have been in induction for a few years.
You seriously think the Marcos would only get it now

I am not privy to the Special Forces and can only comment on whats available in public domain. As per media reports, MARCOS started operating TAR-21s from Jan 2011. Also, no pic of MARCOS equipped with TAVORS was available prior to that time period.

Dated: Wednesday, January 12, 2011, 18:17
http://zeenews.india.com/news/nation/in ... 80109.html
The Indian Navy's elite marine commandos will this month be armed with Israeli assault and rifles that will enhance their operational capability as a force trained for special operations.

A consignment of over 500 TAR-21 Tavor assault rifles and another 30 Galil sniper rifles worth over Rs.15 crore ($3.3 million) and Rs.2 crore respectively was delivered to the MARCOS (marine commandos) in December 2010, a defence ministry official told IANS here.


"The lot of over 500 Tavor and 30 Galil rifles has arrived and the Israeli team will be here to jointly inspect the delivered weapons and for assembling them. The MARCOS will begin using these rifles and start training on them from this month," the official said.

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Re: Miscellaneous Pictures - Indian Military

Postby Gaur » 29 Nov 2011 16:16

Chacko Sahab,
I have no doubt that the US Camo looks very good and the cloth is very effective. But with such a huge textile industry, I don't see why India cannot manufacture something similar itself. And even if we need to get the same cloth, we should at least use a different camo pattern. I refuse to believe that this particular camo pattern is the "only" effective camo pattern. Even US Army and Marines use different camo pattern and I don't see the forces world over switching over to US uniform.
This makes it look as if MARCOS is affliated to SEALS...almost like hero worshiping. Not worthy of a force whose personnel have always performed remarkbly superior to SEALS at their own training course.

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Re: Miscellaneous Pictures - Indian Military

Postby abhik » 29 Nov 2011 16:24

^^^
Is "Thermal signature" reducing technology also included?

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Re: Miscellaneous Pictures - Indian Military

Postby Gaur » 29 Nov 2011 16:33

^^
How can you do that? To prevent body heat from radiating off, the clothing will need to be a good thermal insulator..and then how will it be comfortable? Also, to be able to effect thermal imagers the cloth has to be so insulating that the person wearing it will probably die of heat and dehydration.

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Re: Miscellaneous Pictures - Indian Military

Postby aniket » 29 Nov 2011 16:51

Maybe this is only a measure to satisfy Uncle Sam,because if we have bought it and are paying royalties for the patent then we are stupid.
Either its that or we have changed the camo pattern.

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Re: Miscellaneous Pictures - Indian Military

Postby VinayG » 29 Nov 2011 17:05

Gaur wrote:^^
How can you do that? To prevent body heat from radiating off, the clothing will need to be a good thermal insulator..and then how will it be comfortable? Also, to be able to effect thermal imagers the cloth has to be so insulating that the person wearing it will probably die of heat and dehydration.


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Army Combat Uniform trouser constructed to military specification GL/PD 07-14 with Defender™ M, a flame-resistant, combat fabric used by the U.S. Army and U.S. Marine Corps. Exceeds ASTM D 6413-99 flame resistance standards. This ACU coat self-extinguishes and will not melt or drip. Contains Lenzing FR® which absorbs and evaporates perspiration faster for maximum comfort. Excellent durability and resistance to wear, tear and fading. Includes square marker on the left sleeve to identify a fire-resistant garment in the operational theater.

NOTE TO MILITARY PERSONNEL: THIS GARMENT CONTAINS NIR TECHNOLOGY AND IS APPROVED FOR MILITARY OPERATIONS.

Features:
sewn to military specification FQ/PD 04-05A
65% Lenzing FR Rayon / 25% Para-aramid / 10% Nylon fabric
FR tab on cuff for quick identification
leg cuff with front closure tie
forward-tilted cargo pockets
button-fly with drawstring
near infrared (NIR) compliant
vat-dyed for fade, shrink and wrinkle resistance


http://www.patriotsurplus.com/f52686739 ... elid=FROOG

NEAR INFRARED TECHNOLOGY


Near Infrared (NIR) Signature Management Technology is used by the U.S. Department of Defense to prevent detection by NIR Image Converters. These photocathode devices do not detect temperatures, but rather infrared radiation variances. NIR-compliant uniforms use a special fabric that allows soldiers to appear at the same radiation level as the surrounding terrain, thus making them more difficult to detect. NIR technology also make uniforms less visible in low-light environments by reducing the reflection of light.

http://www.epropper.com/nir.php

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Re: Miscellaneous Pictures - Indian Military

Postby VinayG » 29 Nov 2011 17:18



My point in posting the first video, is that the uniforms the soldiers are wearing are being viewed in INFRARED. There is no inherent glow in the material, proving that the technology in the fabric works. Most military bodies have they're camo garments coated in this anti infra red chemical.


It's meant to reduce the amount of infra red radiation and shine on the clothing material, which obviously has its benefit when at night or when someone in a tank or other infra red seeking device is trying to find you.


A demonstration video about the "Ghost" camouflage technology by german company Texplorer


[youtube]nx0ggSL8CkU&feature[/youtube]

Developed in cooperation with the german army , this material reduces the thermal signature of soldiers and vehicles and is additionaly hard to spot on rest-light intensifiers aswell as rest-light multiplicators.

It is also available as sheets to cover thermal hotspots of vehicles like tanks.

In combination with conventional camouflage measures (camo nets) it is possible to successfully conceal vehicles such as tanks, trucks, planes and helicopters on ground or airborne FLIR imagery and other night vision optoelectronic devices.

The material is machine washable.

Website :

http://eng.bluechersystems.com/produkte/C10

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Re: Miscellaneous Pictures - Indian Military

Postby chackojoseph » 29 Nov 2011 17:34

Gaur wrote:Chacko Sahab,
But with such a huge textile industry, I don't see why India cannot manufacture something similar itself. And even if we need to get the same cloth, we should at least use a different camo pattern. I refuse to believe that this particular camo pattern is the "only" effective camo pattern. Even US Army and Marines use different camo pattern and I don't see the forces world over switching over to US uniform.


Ideally it should be researched and produced. But, is not happening. It is unfortunate.

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Re: Miscellaneous Pictures - Indian Military

Postby Gaur » 29 Nov 2011 18:40

VinayG,
Thanks for the links. I don't understand how this magic tech works or whether it works as well in real world condition as marketed..but even if the fabric is worth aquiring I hope that IN will at least modify the camo.

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Re: Miscellaneous Pictures - Indian Military

Postby chackojoseph » 29 Nov 2011 19:14

Gaur wrote:VinayG,
Thanks for the links. I don't understand how this magic tech works or whether it works as well in real world condition as marketed..but even if the fabric is worth aquiring I hope that IN will at least modify the camo.


Its no magic. It has some teflon and other such material treatment.

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Re: Miscellaneous Pictures - Indian Military

Postby Surya » 29 Nov 2011 19:50

somewhere there is a pic of naval chief visiting marcos in J&K I think

IIRC they carry Tavor

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Re: Miscellaneous Pictures - Indian Military

Postby Gaur » 29 Nov 2011 21:03

chackojoseph wrote:
Gaur wrote:VinayG,
Thanks for the links. I don't understand how this magic tech works or whether it works as well in real world condition as marketed..but even if the fabric is worth aquiring I hope that IN will at least modify the camo.


Its no magic. It has some teflon and other such material treatment.

I was talking about the magic to make the fabric confortable in real world situations. I mean...the body heat has to go somewhere doesn't it? If the fabric is preventing the heat radiated by the body to be released out, the person should get very hot and dehydrated soon.
So, an insulating fabric which is also "confortable"...that is something I am unable to understand.
Anyway, this is beyond the point. Maybe the fabric is all that it is marketed to be..my major problem is with using the camo of another Nation.

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Re: Miscellaneous Pictures - Indian Military

Postby Gaur » 29 Nov 2011 21:03

Surya wrote:somewhere there is a pic of naval chief visiting marcos in J&K I think

IIRC they carry Tavor

Are you talking about this visit?
http://livefist.blogspot.com/2009/10/ph ... arine.html

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Re: Miscellaneous Pictures - Indian Military

Postby Lalmohan » 29 Nov 2011 22:41

gaur i think the material dissipates heat rather than prevents it coming out

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Re: Miscellaneous Pictures - Indian Military

Postby Mark Walpole » 30 Nov 2011 00:07

from what I can discern the IR sensors in use do not measure the heat but the IR radiation emitted by a heated source. I guess there is some material in the clothing which is changing the wavelength of the radiation being emitted using either some type of coating or the fabric itself. If what I think is correct then this tech could be very useful for a host of other applications

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Re: Miscellaneous Pictures - Indian Military

Postby chackojoseph » 30 Nov 2011 09:03

Gaurji,

The material is perfectly breathable. You can search for the mechanism on the net.

Indian Marine Commandos in formation in their canoes

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Re: Miscellaneous Pictures - Indian Military

Postby Surya » 30 Nov 2011 11:49

canoes???

or dinghy???

gaur

there were more in that series

anyway the public article is moot

Reviewing the Tavor started years before and if someone believes the Marcos were not involved in it - thats fine by me

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Re: Miscellaneous Pictures - Indian Military

Postby chackojoseph » 01 Dec 2011 08:33

The pic gives a good view of the INS Viraat in Naval Dockyard where it anchors for supplies.

Harbour cruise on Naval Boat Vahini

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Re: Miscellaneous Pictures - Indian Military

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Re: Miscellaneous Pictures - Indian Military

Postby Gaur » 01 Dec 2011 19:32

^^
Thanks for sharing. Wonderful pics and I hadn't come across them before.

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Re: Miscellaneous Pictures - Indian Military

Postby Gaur » 01 Dec 2011 19:49

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Re: Miscellaneous Pictures - Indian Military

Postby atreya » 01 Dec 2011 21:13

Breathtaking pic Gaur! :)
What is in the under fuselage pylon of the MKI? And the aircraft in the background- F16 (aggressor squadron), F-15 Eagle and F-15E Strike Eagle. Correct? :D

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Re: Miscellaneous Pictures - Indian Military

Postby Gaur » 01 Dec 2011 21:24

^^
Yeah, I too was mersmerised when I saw that pic. :) The MKI is carrying Litening pod and you are correct about the other a/cs.

Some other pics..though unfortunately in low resolution.
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Re: Miscellaneous Pictures - Indian Military

Postby chackojoseph » 01 Dec 2011 21:34

Gaurji,

Fab!

Here is another set of fab pics of Indian Seaking helio over gate way of India and Commandos slithering.

Naval Commandos over Gateway of India

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Re: Miscellaneous Pictures - Indian Military

Postby koti » 01 Dec 2011 22:00

Gaur wrote:^^
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Who is learning from whom..... :mrgreen:

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Gaur wrote:http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/photos/5/8/5/1447585.jpg


This is truly a majestic beast.....thanks for posting! :D

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Re: Miscellaneous Pictures - Indian Military

Postby Raja Bose » 02 Dec 2011 10:43

koti wrote:
Gaur wrote:^^
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Who is learning from whom..... :mrgreen:


Kyon ji, cant SDRE teach TFPE baccha for a change? :P

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Re: Miscellaneous Pictures - Indian Military

Postby ashdivay » 02 Dec 2011 19:13

Has anyone seen pic of the ex sudarshan shakti. I saw the pictures on http://livefist.blogspot.com/ but some of those pics are from 2008 ex Brazen chariot.
I made a blog post about this. Its really weird , either the media or the mod screwed up.

http://ashsworldonline.blogspot.com/2011/12/indian-defence-blog-by-shiv-aroor.html

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Re: Miscellaneous Pictures - Indian Military

Postby VishalJ » 03 Dec 2011 04:36

Vayusena MiG 29 with a big Red anti-ship missile slung under it
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Re: Miscellaneous Pictures - Indian Military

Postby srai » 03 Dec 2011 05:28

Gaur wrote:
chackojoseph wrote:
Its no magic. It has some teflon and other such material treatment.

I was talking about the magic to make the fabric confortable in real world situations. I mean...the body heat has to go somewhere doesn't it? If the fabric is preventing the heat radiated by the body to be released out, the person should get very hot and dehydrated soon.
So, an insulating fabric which is also "confortable"...that is something I am unable to understand.
Anyway, this is beyond the point. Maybe the fabric is all that it is marketed to be..my major problem is with using the camo of another Nation.


"Breathable" fabrics have been around for a long while now. If you do some serious outdoor hiking/trekking or expeditions, you will become familiar with various types of clothing made from cutting edge fabrics. For example, check out How to Dress in Layers article to see the different types of fabric options one has (i.e. fabrics that transport (or "wick") perspiration away from your skin, waterproof/breathable shells, wind resistance fabrics, fabrics with hidden membrane that does not affect breathability, fabrics that trap air but are also made with moisture-wicking fibers to help keep you dry, lightweight/ultra-lightweight fabrics/fillings, etc). It all depends on your budget and what you need for your comfort and performance.

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Re: Miscellaneous Pictures - Indian Military

Postby andy B » 03 Dec 2011 14:18

Vishal Jolapara wrote:Vayusena MiG 29 with a big Red anti-ship missile slung under it


Nice pic Vishal,
interstingly that looks like the newer version of the Kh35/AS20 Kayak with folded wings onlee....IIRC I had read in one of the Air Intl. articles on MAKS 2011 that these puppies have something like a 245KM range.

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Re: Miscellaneous Pictures - Indian Military

Postby Rahul M » 03 Dec 2011 18:29

time for a new thread folks. please start one.


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