China Military Watch

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 17 Aug 2010 12:41

China increases military advantage over Taiwan
China is extending its military advantage over Taiwan and building up a force with power to strike in Asia up to the US territory of Guam, the Pentagon has said.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... aiwan.html

Dmurphy · Post by **Dmurphy** » 17 Aug 2010 14:57

derkonig wrote:China deploys CSS-5 missiles along India border, wonder if MMS will ever wake up

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 324105.cms

What do you expect him to do about that? Go dismantle the missiles himself? IMHO, we're doing whatever we can in terms of air defence.

Manishw · Post by **Manishw** » 17 Aug 2010 15:44

^^^ Just an idea, since the rent boy is underwater things such as parking of missiles etc. can be expected to increase so that we do not get any breathing space.

vivekmehta · Post by **vivekmehta** » 17 Aug 2010 21:20

China deploying newer missiles, building roads near India border
http://news.rediff.com/slide-show/2010/ ... er-row.htm

its looks like we are heading for a showdown in 5-6 yrs . that may be the emergency behind all the china centric efforts & spurt in arm purchases in last few years.

Thomas Kolarek · Post by **Thomas Kolarek** » 17 Aug 2010 22:28

looks like its repeat of history. Remember USSR vs USA. China is trying the same route USSR tried to contain USA. Its naive for India to recognize Tibet as a sovereign territory of China

and inviting trouble to Arunachal Pradesh (which they foolishly call as Southern Tibet). Well as their PAK card is falling apart they trying to intimidate us, though we are optimistic never underestimate the situation or the enemy.

Varoon Shekhar · Post by **Varoon Shekhar** » 17 Aug 2010 22:52

Question: what would happen to the $50-$60 billion Sino-Indian trade, two-way investment, all the travel and tourism, in case this putative 'war' breaks out? Which isn't to argue for complacency! It's totally different with India-Pakistan, where there is little trade and investment and not much travel( at least not from the Indian side). India should still be as vigilant as possible.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 17 Aug 2010 22:58

let's reserve the big picture strategic analysis for the strat forum. in this thread kindly limit yourself to nitty-gritty military stuff.

Craig Alpert · Post by **Craig Alpert** » 18 Aug 2010 04:09

India, China Border Troops Celebrate I-Day at LAC

shukla · Post by **shukla** » 18 Aug 2010 05:35

China wary of India's military might: US

The US Pentagon's latest assessment of the expanding military might of China, which has now overtaken Japan to become the world's second-largest economy, holds that Beijing is "concerned" with the "strategic ramifications of India's rising economic, political and military power". Consequently, "to improve regional deterrence", the 2.25-million strong People's Liberation Army has moved "more advanced and survivable" solid-fuelled CCS-5 nuclear-capable ballistic missiles closer to the borders with India.

" China may also be developing contingency plans to move airborne troops into the region," says the Pentagon report on 'military and security developments involving the People's Republic of China'.

Satellite pictures, for instance, have long disclosed that a large area in central China, near Delingha and Da Qaidam in Qinghai province, has close to 60 launch pads for nuclear-capable ballistic missiles, which can easily target north India. Moreover, the new Chinese road-mobile DF-31A missiles, which can hit targets 11,200 km away, and the JL-2 submarine-launched ballistic missiles, which have a reach beyond 7,200 km, are weapons which even has the US worried.

China, of course, continues to needle India with frequent troop incursions across the LAC, from Trig Heights and Pangong Tso lake in Eastern Ladakh to the "finger area" in Sikkim and Asaphila sector in Arunachal Pradesh.

The Pentagon report, in fact, says, "Despite increased political and economic relations over the years between China and India, tensions remain along their shared 4,057-km border, most notably over Arunachal Pradesh, which China asserts is part of Tibet and therefore of China, and over the Askai Chin region."

Holding that both sides "stepped up efforts to assert their claims" in 2009, the report refers to China's bid to block the ADB's $2.90 billion loan to India, claiming part of the loan was to be used for water projects in Arunachal. "This represented the first time China sought to influence this dispute through a multilateral institution," it says.

There is no getting away from the stark asymmetry between India and China in terms of strategic and military capabilities. But the 1.3-million strong Indian armed forces are no longer the ill-equipped forces they were during the virtual walkover in 1962.

India plans to test its most ambitious ballistic missile, the 5,000-km Agni-V, by early 2011 to add to its military deterrence posture. Moreover, apart from the almost ready-to-be-inducted 3,500-km Agni-III, IAF has already begun to base Sukhoi-30MKI fighters in north-east as well as upgrade several airstrips and helipads in the region.

parshuram · Post by **parshuram** » 18 Aug 2010 19:32

Name of Chinese Air Craft Carrier "Shi Láng"

Translated Verison -:

China continues to build up its military strength in the Indian and the western part of the Pacific Ocean.

Washington, 17 August. (ITAR-TASS). China continues to build up its military strength in the Indian and the western part of the Pacific Ocean. This warning is contained in the published on the Monday report, which Department of Defense has American Congress.

As noted in the document, "to support additional missions" armed forces with China have invested significant resources in nuclear submarines, as well as in upgrading its first aircraft carrier "Shi Láng" (The photos) (former heavy aircraft cruiser "Varyag", gained by China in 1998. Ukraine for 20 million US dollars in incomplete form).
n the Military Service U. S. also have emphasized that air force with China are developing new versions bombers, which may be equipped with cruise missiles to defeat ground targets. In addition, the report states that China is stepping up its combat capabilities, aimed at, to keep Taiwan from a declaration of independence or to exert pressure on administration islands.

Deepak_D · Post by **Deepak_D** » 18 Aug 2010 22:56

shukla wrote: China wary of India's military might: US

I wonder if Unkil is instigating India n maina. But its must for Unkil to help boost India inorder to contain Maina. Else Unkil's ships are out of IO and Pacific border just patrolling borders of North America.

Praveen · Post by **Praveen** » 19 Aug 2010 01:47

Chinese missile could shift Pacific power balance

Kanson · Post by **Kanson** » 19 Aug 2010 07:56

When the war tech upgrades to the "skills" of Ramanad Sagar's Ramayan Serial we are going to see how useful Chinese missiles are.

Brando · Post by **Brando** » 19 Aug 2010 08:36

DEEPAKD wrote:
shukla wrote: China wary of India's military might: US
I wonder if Unkil is instigating India n maina. But its must for Unkil to help boost India inorder to contain Maina. Else Unkil's ships are out of IO and Pacific border just patrolling borders of North America.

America is definitely tying to influence not only India but also the entire world about China. India has to be careful that, should the Chinese open up politically to the Americans, the Americans will drop India like a hot potato and proceed to develop good relations with China.

The Pentagon paper makes people believe that the Chinese now have total reign over the Eastern Pacific and will soon have total domination of the Indian ocean just because they have a anti-carrier ballistic missile, this is deliberately misleading and in fact not really true. The USN CVN's are much better defended than the USN would like to admit and if the Aegis cruisers capabilities are to be believed and by all reports they should be, the Chinese so called "Carrier-killers" are nothing more than an additional nuisance to the present CVNs. Besides, most USN carriers has enough retaliatory cruise missile capability to decimate large swaths of main land China without even launching a single aircraft off their decks. Any Chinese attempt to dissuade the Americans from entering their "sphere of influence" would be "old hat" to navy that has already prevailed in one Cold War over an enemy which was much more technologically and militarily capable that what China is today.

Brando · Post by **Brando** » 19 Aug 2010 08:39

DEEPAKD wrote: I wonder if Unkil is instigating India n maina. But its must for Unkil to help boost India inorder to contain Maina. Else Unkil's ships are out of IO and Pacific border just patrolling borders of North America.

America is definitely tying to influence not only India but also the entire world about China. India has to be careful that, should the Chinese leadership open up politically to a freer society and make peace with the Americans, the Americans will likely drop India like a hot potato and proceed to develop good relations with China because it is in their best interests economically.

The Pentagon paper makes people believe that the Chinese now have total reign over the Eastern Pacific and will soon have total domination of the Indian ocean just because they have a anti-carrier ballistic missile, this is deliberately misleading and in fact not really true. The USN CVN's are much better defended than the USN would like to admit and if the Aegis cruisers capabilities are to be believed and by all reports they should be, the Chinese so called "Carrier-killers" are nothing more than an additional nuisance to the present CVNs. Besides, most USN carriers has enough retaliatory cruise missile capability to decimate large swaths of main land China without even launching a single aircraft off their decks. Any Chinese attempt to dissuade the Americans from entering their "sphere of influence" would be "old hat" to navy that has already prevailed in one Cold War over an enemy which was much more technologically and militarily capable that what China is today.

ManuT · Post by **ManuT** » 21 Aug 2010 03:55

Paratroopers Land In Tibet

August 20, 2010: Chinarecently held its first combat parachute drop in Tibet, with a battalion landing in an open area of the Tibet plateau.

http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htinf/20100820.aspx

Deepak_D · Post by **Deepak_D** » 21 Aug 2010 05:56

I fail to understand why is so much commotion around India china boarder ? I am trying to fill in the gaps here, with so much of movement, talks and media glaring on boarders. Why is this happening ?
Either it was always happening and now gained prominence because of defense journalists or some pot is actually boiling ....

Trying to gauge it. GURUS any insights ? Or you guys feel its not a right place to ask ? ( feel free to move it, if need be )

Deepak_D · Post by **Deepak_D** » 21 Aug 2010 06:00

DEEPAKD wrote:I fail to understand why is so much commotion around India china boarder ? I am trying to fill in the gaps here, with so much of movement, talks and media glaring on boarders. Why is this happening ?
Either it was always happening and now gained prominence because of defense journalists or some pot is actually boiling ....

Trying to gauge it. GURUS any insights ? Or you guys feel its not a right place to ask ? ( feel free to move it, if need be )

I felt necessary it to indicate that, after china tried to block ADB loan for India, things really have spurted high .

ronjon.d · Post by **ronjon.d** » 21 Aug 2010 06:09

Varoon Shekhar wrote:Question: what would happen to the $50-$60 billion Sino-Indian trade, two-way investment, all the travel and tourism, in case this putative 'war' breaks out? Which isn't to argue for complacency! It's totally different with India-Pakistan, where there is little trade and investment and not much travel( at least not from the Indian side). India should still be as vigilant as possible.

IMHO it is not very wise, from any point of view to invest in China and I am a trained economist. It would only serve to strengthen the enemy for inevitable showdown (not necessarily culminating to war).

The only way is to invest in India. NO TRADE with Red China. Whatsoever.

ronjon.d · Post by **ronjon.d** » 21 Aug 2010 07:11

DEEPAKD wrote:If a missile is locked on a target, will shooting the guidance satellite deter the path of missile ? I am no expert, but I just thought, if DF21 is fired, it has to be guided from a satellite and the homing computer on the missile itself will take inputs from launcher or satellite. If shooting down the Satellite can kill ( I mean deter the path of) the missile accuracy, then why would US be wary of not perfecting the AEGIS system to kill DF21?

Definitely NO! The satellite would only be necessary for rough target information to pre-adjust the MaRV sensors. After lauch the missile would be more or less autonomous.

In addition to that, I caution against the "silver bullet" mentality. There just is no super weapon without limitations that can be exploited. Anti-ballistic missile defence (ABMD) is more or less like air defence against fast flying objects attacking from high angles.

yantra · Post by **yantra** » 21 Aug 2010 07:17

IMHO it is not very wise, from any point of view to invest in China and I am a trained economist. It would only serve to strengthen the enemy for inevitable showdown (not necessarily culminating to war).

The only way is to invest in India. NO TRADE with Red China. Whatsoever.

And how exactly will it be practically possible in this inter-twined world? India will have to declare its intentions openly and prevent its industry from investing. It will be going against WTO and other bodies and is as good as declaring a war. We have been investing in India from 1940s through 90s and had been an inward looking economy.

In my opinion, India should allow investments into China in strategic sectors and choose them judiciously - telecom, oil, financial and healthcare software, critical supplies, etc. When any kind of stand-off happens, India will be able to turn off the taps and turn some on

to its strategic advantage. Cutting off is not the solution, engaging intelligently is.

yantra · Post by **yantra** » 21 Aug 2010 07:24

Brando wrote:
DEEPAKD wrote: I wonder if Unkil is instigating India n maina. But its must for Unkil to help boost India inorder to contain Maina. Else Unkil's ships are out of IO and Pacific border just patrolling borders of North America.
America is definitely tying to influence not only India but also the entire world about China. India has to be careful that, should the Chinese leadership open up politically to a freer society and make peace with the Americans, the Americans will likely drop India like a hot potato and proceed to develop good relations with China because it is in their best interests economically.

The Pentagon paper makes people believe that the Chinese now have total reign over the Eastern Pacific and will soon have total domination of the Indian ocean just because they have a anti-carrier ballistic missile, this is deliberately misleading and in fact not really true. The USN CVN's are much better defended than the USN would like to admit and if the Aegis cruisers capabilities are to be believed and by all reports they should be, the Chinese so called "Carrier-killers" are nothing more than an additional nuisance to the present CVNs. Besides, most USN carriers has enough retaliatory cruise missile capability to decimate large swaths of main land China without even launching a single aircraft off their decks. Any Chinese attempt to dissuade the Americans from entering their "sphere of influence" would be "old hat" to navy that has already prevailed in one Cold War over an enemy which was much more technologically and militarily capable that what China is today.

Very succinctly put, Brando! I totally agree. Irrespective of US, India should develop its own policies with China and not yield to US pressures and influence. India has to always remember how US has been using Pakistan, S.Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, etc as and when necessary.

Juggi G · Post by **Juggi G** » 21 Aug 2010 07:29

X-Post

MPs Worried Over Threat from China

MPs Worried Over Threat from China
Published: Thursday, Aug 19, 2010, 20:24 IST
Place: New Delhi | Agency: PTI

Concern was voiced in Parliament today over the growing military threat from China in the wake of reports that it has moved longer range missiles close to Indian borders.

While a BJP member spoke in the Lok Sabha about Pentagon report on Chinese threat to India, a Congress member in the Rajya Sabha talked about the growing disparity in defence preparedness between the two countries.

Raman Deka (BJP) said during the Zero Hour that China has moved new advanced longer range CSS-5 missiles close to the borders with India.

Seeking a response from defence minister, he wanted better preparedness by India as there was not much infrastructure on the borders with China.

"We have not forgotten the 1962 war", he said adding there were no proper roads for the army to immediately move in case of any eventuality.

He said it was necessary for the government to take a "stringent view" of the Chinese moves and assure people that the country was safe.

In the Rajya Sabha, Ashwini Kumar (Congress) said India's Defence Preparedness against China was 1:5.

He said while the budget for China's defence is $150 billion, it was only $32 billion for India. While China has eight nuclear submarines, India has only one, he said.

"It is high time that rising India stops being apologetic about its need to increase its defence expenses," he said.

Kumar, who was supported by BJP members, said while India has to build good relationship with China, it did not mean that "we remain oblivious to the urgency of our defence preparedness...we must revisit our defence preparedness."

Thomas Kolarek · Post by **Thomas Kolarek** » 21 Aug 2010 07:53

Are the chinese really spending $150 billions ? With $36 billions, Indian armed forces looks much better than the chinese. Apart from the long range missiles I don't see them holding any edge over India in terms of quality of weaponry. True they have submarines, India will be getting P-8I and its own submarine orders sooner, so where is the disparity.
I agree India has to catch up china on intelligence network of global positioning system and reconnaissance satellites (read Beidou). For me, Chinese music will stop once the manufacturing plug is pulled back by US, for that to happen US consumers and middle class has to revolt against its riches.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 21 Aug 2010 11:21

Thomas Kolarek wrote:
I agree India has to catch up china on intelligence network of global positioning system and reconnaissance satellites (read Beidou). For me, Chinese music will stop once the manufacturing plug is pulled back by US, for that to happen US consumers and middle class has to revolt against its riches.

Who has been helping Chinese in the last 20 years. Both in the military/space area as well as the economic area.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 21 Aug 2010 19:18

Thomas Kolarek wrote:
I agree India has to catch up china on intelligence network of global positioning system and reconnaissance satellites (read Beidou). For me, Chinese music will stop once the manufacturing plug is pulled back by US, for that to happen US consumers and middle class has to revolt against its riches.

I think not. Actually, BOTH China and India have a large enough population to sustain growth via internal demand. It just has to be managed properly. (Indian middle class - today - is said to be larger than the (for emphasis: entire) population of the US.)

Raman Deka (BJP) said during the Zero Hour that China has moved new advanced longer range CSS-5 missiles close to the borders with India.

Seeking a response from defence minister, he wanted better preparedness by India as there was not much infrastructure on the borders with China.

"We have not forgotten the 1962 war", he said adding there were no proper roads for the army to immediately move in case of any eventuality.

MP making a mistake? No. Cannot happen in India.

IF he had not forgotten 1962, this problem of "no proper roads" would not have existed in 2010.

Yes, he has forgotten. Perhaps this is just a talking point from his side.

Thomas Kolarek · Post by **Thomas Kolarek** » 21 Aug 2010 20:52

chanakyaa · Post by **chanakyaa** » 21 Aug 2010 21:59

^^^Happy to comment on strategy eessues, but this is a Meelitery thread. Need to move to strategy forum...plz

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 21 Aug 2010 22:44

APA: Chengdu J-10

VinodTK · Post by **VinodTK** » 22 Aug 2010 21:20

Containing China in new cold war

In the 21st century, especially after financial crisis struck in 2008, the true face of the “Chinese empire,” described by China expert John Tkacik, then started to gradually show.

For example, Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao (溫家寶) was overbearing and arrogant toward US President Barack Obama at an international conference, saying that the Chinese army would lay down the rules for the US. Eventually, the US Department of State and the Pentagon gradually synchronized their views on the issue.

China’s toughness did not scare the US, but it did frightened its neighbors, and South Korea, Japan, the Philippines, Indonesia, Malaysia, Singapore and India clearly hoped the US would stay in Asia. Even communist Vietnam hopes so.

As a result of China’s domestic crackdown on Muslims, Middle Eastern countries have also distanced themselves from China. Mongolia, which shares its southern border with China, has become a democracy. Former Soviet countries are also transforming into democracies and they are increasingly cautious about China. Russia no longer sells advanced weapons to China and the operations of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization have ground to a halt.

China is no longer contained by a crescent-shaped defense line, but it is now completely surrounded. The only exceptions are Myanmar and Iran, which adopt a firm anti-US stance. However, the domestic situation in both those countries is relatively unstable. Today, a new cold war between China and the US has replaced the old one between the US and the Soviet Union.

China to build nuclear carrier

China's appears all set to build its own nuclear aircraft carrier, but does not say when, Japan's Kyodo news agency reports from Beijing.

Shipyard officials in Shanghai said only that "it's a matter of time now" and that the country's biggest dry dock was already in place for the construction.

Japanese media earlier said Chinese pilots were already training to land on a carrier's deck.

The Chinese military plans to build two diesel powered carriers before 2015 and as many nuclear powered ones by 2020.

TonyMontana · Post by **TonyMontana** » 23 Aug 2010 03:00

Thomas Kolarek wrote:Are the chinese really spending $150 billions ? With $36 billions, Indian armed forces looks much better than the chinese. Apart from the long range missiles I don't see them holding any edge over India in terms of quality of weaponry. True they have submarines, India will be getting P-8I and its own submarine orders sooner, so where is the disparity.
I agree India has to catch up china on intelligence network of global positioning system and reconnaissance satellites (read Beidou). For me, Chinese music will stop once the manufacturing plug is pulled back by US, for that to happen US consumers and middle class has to revolt against its riches.

1) If you think the Indian Armed forces looks much better than the Chinese, you're doing yourself and India a disservice.

2) Wishing your enermy to fail is not a strategy.

Thomas Kolarek · Post by **Thomas Kolarek** » 23 Aug 2010 06:16

My Question is only on the so called $150 billions. If India gets $150 billions to spend on Indian armed forces, I will be more than happy. Don't underestimate ourselves with respect to the enemy that is the bad strategy.

P Chitkara · Post by **P Chitkara** » 23 Aug 2010 18:04

It is not just the money, it is how well it is spent and in our case spent at all. Every year a good part of allocated funds go unutilized due to the red tape.

Look at the IAs artillery gun circus. Every one wants to save their a$$ and keep a very safe distance from controversy. Nobody among the babudom or crook politicians have the vision for a strategic roadmap. Oops sorry, I guess this word will be too alien for them to understand.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 23 Aug 2010 19:10

^^^ How true only.

IA in particular and the other serivecs in general are sadly outmanned, outgunned (out-ammoed in arty for sure) and outinfrastructured (for want of a better term) by the PLA.

And I shudder to say it, out-thought and outsmarted as well . Out and out only.

Also, in terms of political and public support to their respective armed forces, the cheenis are no less than us. In fact, their strident, state-approved nationalism outjingoes us anytime.

Having said all that, I still have to wonder why the cheenis held off teaching us another '62 type lesson. Something must be holding them back. Of course, they could attack tomorrow and rubbish this theory but IMO we have a very limited window to clean up our act (2015-2020) latest. Only.

OK, that's enough pessimism for today. I, uber jingo and all, all hope and cheer regarding our country's bright future when I R2Ied last year am now a changed man. More realistic, more cynical, more pessimistic only. Sad but true.

shukla · Post by **shukla** » 23 Aug 2010 19:18

China’s Eyes in the Skies

The recent deployment of China's first four indigenous KJ-2000 AWACS aircraft marks an important milestone in the PLA Air Force’s long march from being a ‘numbers intensive’ low technology force, to a much more modern high technology one.

More fundamentally, though, the AWACS (Airborne Warning and Control System) extends China's deep and broad network of air defence Command Control Communications Intelligence Surveillance Reconnaissance (C3ISR) systems into a key airborne area. In doing so, China is now acquiring the radar and passive early warning and air defence command, control and communications it needs to counter foreign fighters and cruise missiles.

Yet despite the fact that this system employs radar technology two generations ahead of that used by the US Air Force’s E-3C AWACS—generally seen as a benchmark by the rest of the world—the deployment of China’s new aircraft elicited almost no response from Washington.

Airborne C3ISR systems such as AWACS aircraft typically operate as extensions to ground-based networks of air defence radar systems and defensive Surface to Air Missile (SAM) batteries, providing forward coverage against targets that are hidden from ground-based sensors by ‘terrain shadowing’ or the earth’s curvature. Such targets can be low-flying combat aircraft, but in an increasing number of cases are likely to be low-flying cruise missiles.

So, how important a step is this new system for China? To better understand the implications, it’s useful to look at the evolution of China's air defence capabilities more generally.During the 1950s, the Soviets exported a range of air defence equipment to China, much of which reflected what was then state-of-the-art Soviet radar technology. But the Khrushchev-era tensions put an end to that, and over time China proceeded to reverse engineer all of these Soviet designs.

By the 1970s, China was producing clones or derivatives of most of this equipment, especially ‘acquisition’ radars designed to search for aircraft that could then be targeted by SAM batteries or interceptor aircraft. This area of military technology was so valued by the PLA that in 1969 it had initiated development of an indigenous AWACS—the KJ-1. This radar design was built into a 1950s Tupolev Tu-4 Bull aircraft which itself was a reverse engineered Boeing B-29 Superfortress. This project was repeatedly disrupted by the unstable political environment, and never produced an operational capability. Still, the efforts highlight the PLA’s long-standing interest in having credible airborne C3ISR.

Juggi G · Post by **Juggi G** » 23 Aug 2010 21:59

Growing Chinese Nuclear Weapons Power
S D Pradhan

yantra · Post by **yantra** » 23 Aug 2010 22:38

Juggi G wrote:Growing Chinese Nuclear Weapons Power
S D Pradhan

Interesting to note from this article -

China has come up with the concept of “Limited Nuclear Deterrence” which inter alia suggests that along the Chinese periphery the doctrine of ‘No First Use’ (NFU) of nuclear weapons may not be adhered. In 2006, the China Institute of International and Strategic Studies indicated a nuanced change in the Chinese nuclear doctrine of NFU. It mentioned that if China was required to use force to reunify Taiwan, then the Chinese NFU would become redundant. Clarifying this concept, Maj Gen Zhu Chegdu, Dean of China’s National Defence University stated that China would have no choice but to respond with nuclear weapons if the US attacked the Chinese Territory with conventional weapons. While this concept was evolved in response to the lowering of threshold for the use of nuclear weapons by Russia and the US threat over Taiwan, several analysts concluded that this concept would be applicable to all the territories which China claims. Since China is increasingly making noise over Arunachal Pradesh, analysts have indicated that this concept could be applied there as well. They have also point out that the Chinese stress on production of tactical nuclear weapons is in keeping with this concept.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 23 Aug 2010 23:41

Hari Seldon wrote:
Having said all that, I still have to wonder why the cheenis held off teaching us another '62 type lesson. Something must be holding them back. Of course, they could attack tomorrow and rubbish this theory but IMO we have a very limited window to clean up our act (2015-2020) latest. Only.

That is part of the strategy. PRC is part of the larger global plan to control the world economy, currency and demand so that other countries (read India) fall in line with the global elites.

Thomas Kolarek · Post by **Thomas Kolarek** » 24 Aug 2010 02:20

The tiny Chinese has a confidence, to overrun the mighty US now. What gives them the courage ? The Missiles - Dongfeng Series missiles.

Even US doesn't want to mess with China alone, they pull all Asian powers support. Why not India spend $30 billions on advanced missiles. Ignore US, Russia, MTCR, China, Porkistan etc., Just spend on advanced missiles, lets wait to see who dare to mess with us.

TonyMontana · Post by **TonyMontana** » 24 Aug 2010 02:43

Thomas Kolarek wrote: The tiny Chinese has a confidence, to overrun the mighty US now. What gives them the courage ? The Missiles - Dongfeng Series missiles.

That is so wrong. They had these missile a long time ago. Didn't give the Chinese that much "confidence" in the 70's/80's. The words you're looking for is "economic strength" and "economic entanglement".

Thomas Kolarek wrote:
Even US doesn't want to mess with China alone, they pull all Asian powers support. Why not India spend $30 billions on advanced missiles. Ignore US, Russia, MTCR, China, Porkistan etc., Just spend on advanced missiles, lets wait to see who dare to mess with us.

If you think India can bully the world into submission with a few ICBMs, you're sorely mistaken.