China Military Watch

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 14 Apr 2010 14:13

but what about the huge 15000ft long runways they are putting up ? wont that permit takeoff with fuel fuel and weapons?

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 14 Apr 2010 17:51

China shows off..its latest bird the J-10 which will be in the crosshairs of IAF fighters in the future!

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/w ... 096435.ece
Excerpt:

China’s PLA opens up to show off J10, its first indigenous fighter jet
Jane Macartney at Yangcun Air Base

Engines screaming, China’s most advanced fighter jets took off, soared into a vertical climb, spun into rolls and veered off into a clear blue sky leaving a trail of smoke and the acrid smell of aviation fuel in its wake.

The 24th Fighter Division of the Chinese Air Force yesterday showed off a formation of its J10 — or Annihilator 10 — to a select group of international military attachés for the first time.

It was the second time that China has allowed foreign media onto the base — and the first such trip in eight years. Colonel Yan promised to host more tours as part of a campaign by the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) to cast off its reputation for secrecy and nurture a more transparent image.

Four jets took part in the 15-minute show, completing a fly-by in diamond formation with their wingtips a mere 5m (16ft) apart and a series of multiple rolls and spins. Colonel Yan even flew his jet in front of the viewing stand with his wheels just 3m off the ground.

Group Captain Stephen Wilson, the British Air Force Attaché, , described the show as impressive. “This is a highly manoeuvrable aircraft.They should not be compared with the Red Arrows, but the Chinese Air Force is very competent and that came through in this performance.”

China first showed off the J-10 in public in 2008. Their finest moment to date was when 17 flew over Tiananamen Square to celebrate the 60th anniversary of Communist China on October 1 last year.

However, although the PLA hails the accomplishment of developing China’s first indigenous fighter, the J10 is not entirely home-made. It is believed to be loosely based on the early-generation US F16. Israel helped at the start with aspects of avionics and aerodynamics until it was warned off by Washington. Earlier models were equipped with Russian jet turbines, complicating future sales potential.

One military expert said: “For this type of third-generation aircraft it’s a serious plane. It’s very good. But it is still equivalent only to an early F16.”

Another attaché said that the technology of its wheels, among other aspects, means that it could not be used on board any aircraft carrier that China may build, underscoring how far the PLA still lags behind Western militaries.

The expert said: “The West is still far ahead. We have so many decades of technology and such a depth of research and capability that they just don’t have yet. They are about a generation behind. But they are catching up.”

China could take a major leap forward when it finally unveils its fourth-generation J11, which Chinese generals have hinted could be shown off in public as early as 2017, well ahead of US forecasts.

Colonel Yan was coy when asked about the J11, but said that he hoped to demonstrate the J10 at international air shows as early as next year. “I want to fly with the Thunderbirds,” he joked.

Manufacturers will be hoping that international exposure could boost sales. Last year China sold 36 J10s to Pakistan for $1.4 billion (£910 million), well above the $25 million each that Pakistan had wanted to pay but cheaper than the $50 million per plane paid by India for a shipment of F16s. Iran, Thailand and Myanmar are all believed to have expressed interest in adding the J10 to their air force fleets.

shukla · Post by **shukla** » 14 Apr 2010 20:16

Indian-American sold B-2 stealth tech to China: US

The US on Wednesday accused an Indian-American B-2 stealth bomber engineer Noshir Gowadia of selling classified defence secrets to China, a charge rejected by his lawyer, saying such "meaningless" information is already in the public domain. The government says Gowadia sold classified US defence secrets about the sophisticated B-2 stealth bomber to China for less than USD 85,000.

Gowadia's lawyer says the information is meaningless because the Air Force already had released it and the intelligence did not help the Chinese at all, the Honolulu Star reported. Lawyers for the government and Gowadia presented opening statements to the jury on Tuesday in the espionage trial of the man who marketed himself as the father of the B-2 bomber. The trial is expected to run into July. Gowadia, 66, is facing charges that he helped the Chinese develop a cruise missile capable of evading heat-seeking air-to-air missiles. He is also facing charges that he sent classified information to the Swiss government and businesses in Israel and Germany, as well as money laundering and tax evasion.

From 1967 to 1986 he worked for giant defence contractor Northrop Corp., where he helped design the B-2's unique propulsion system. He then formed his own business, continuing to work with the US military. In 1992 the government's Defence Advanced Research Projects Agency awarded him a contract to try to find ways to reduce the visibility of water vapor trails left by jet engines. When the government expanded the project without him, Gowadia got angry and wrote letters to government officials and his congressman trying to get back on the project, said federal prosecutor Kenneth Sorenson.

Defence lawyer David Klein said Gowadia wanted to resume work on the project because he "felt he could save American lives," adding, "He wanted to help his country as he did before." Sorenson said Gowadia was angry because he "felt disrespected in this country."

Gowadia bought some land on Maui in 1999. In 2003 he signed a construction contract to build a luxury home on a 2-acre site overlooking the ocean. He now faces forfeiture of the home to the government. Sorenson said when an expected Australian contract fell through, Gowadia needed money to pay his mortgage, which was USD 14,000 per month by 2005. So Gowadia and a business associate approached the Chinese government, he said.

shukla · Post by **shukla** » 15 Apr 2010 17:40

Chinese inroads into Sri Lanka

shukla · Post by **shukla** » 15 Apr 2010 18:37

China denies hacking Indian Defence Ministry computers

China has denied that Chengdu-based hackers stole information from the Indian Defence Ministry. A group of researchers at the Munk Centre for International Studies at the University of Toronto claimed that a cyber-espionage group based in southwest China stole documents from the Indian Defence Ministry and emails from the Dalai Lama’s office.

The hackers allegedly stole classified reports about security in several Indian states, and about several Indian missile systems. “China firmly opposes any kind of cyber crime, including cyber attacks. The cyber attack is an international issue requiring the cooperation and joint efforts of the international community,” Foreign Ministry spokesperson Jiang Yu told reporters.

I don’t know what evidence these people have, or what their motives are,” the China Daily quoted Jiang said, as referring to the researchers.
The spokesperson added that China could investigate if these allegations were provided with evidence. “Our policy is very clear. We resolutely oppose all Internet crime, including hacking,” she said. The “cyberspies” used popular online services, including Twitter, Google groups and Yahoo mail, to access infected computers, ultimately directing them to communicate with command and control servers in China, said the report released by the Munk Centre, entitled Shadows in the Cloud.

Stolen documents recovered by the researchers contained sensitive information taken from India’s National Security Council Secretariat, the group of researchers said. “We have heard about the hacking report and the concerned department is looking into the case,” said Sitanshu Kar, Indian Defence Ministry’s spokesman

shukla · Post by **shukla** » 19 Apr 2010 17:50

Just as China denies hacking charges...

Chinese hackers reach India’s Russian embassy

The assault by Chinese hackers on Indian sites continue unabated. Reports from Moscow said the website of the Indian embassy in Moscow was attacked twice by Chinese hackers, prompting the mission to boost its cyber security. The two cyber attacks were traced to Chinese servers. The embassy’s Local Area Network (LAN) also has no direct internet access and the firewall has been fortified, they said, adding the only hacking victim was the official website, maintained by the information wing. The website allows for online filling of visa and passport applications.

“The indianembassy.ru website in the public domain was affected to some extent that e-mail IDs of the senior officials were cloned in the .com or gmail domains to spread the malware,” agency reports quoting embassy officials said. “For example for the legitimate ‘infowing@ indianembassy.ru’ , IDs like ‘infowing@indianembassy . com’ and ‘infowing@gmail .com’ were used to spread spam with malware,” officials said.

In a recent incident, the ‘Daily Media Digest’ issued by the Information Wing in the evening was received by its recipients, including Moscowbased Indian journalists, early morning and instead of word document, it had RAR archive arrangement. The prompt warning circulated by the embassy not to open the attachment saved many computers from the fresh lot of malware.

The incident assumes significance in the wake of a report about alleged Chinese cyber espionage which has infected scores of Indian government and defence related sites. US and Canada based Information Warfare Monitor and Shadowservers Foundation in their report ‘Shadows in the Cloud’ had traced China’s Chengdu-based servers of ex-filtering sensitive information from the Indian computers, including Indian diplomatic missions in Moscow, London and Washington.

Commenting on the report, Russian media had raised concerns about sensitive and secret information about Moscow and New Delhi’s defence cooperation falling into the Chinese hands. Kommersant daily had said even in the cyber age the Russian missions use well tried method of using old typewriters and a sheet of paper to guard their secret information.

shukla · Post by **shukla** » 21 Apr 2010 15:43

Japan increasingly alarmed by China's growing naval power

Warships off Okinawa and other incidents with an increasingly far-roaming and competent Chinese navy likely a harbinger of shocks to come

Juggi G · Post by **Juggi G** » 27 Apr 2010 16:48

Fiddling While the Country Burns

Fiddling While the Country Burns
Rajeev Srinivasan
April 26, 2010 18:36 IST

Three issues should be dominating media coverage in India: China's Imperial Ambitions, Pakistan's increasing closeness to the US and its crucial role in Afghanistan and the Naxal insurgency, not the IPL controversies, writes Rajeev Srinivasan.

A juicy controversy over cricket and the Indian Premier League continues unabated in the Indian media. Acres of newsprint and oceans of ink are being wasted by allegedly muck-raking journalists pursuing the Byzantine dealings of various involved parties, and accusations and counter-accusations are flung about with abandon. I am reminded of Nero, and of the spectacles in the Coliseum while the barbarians were already at the gates, and Rome was on its path to precipitous collapse.

In India they play cricket rather than gladiatorial sports. More serious issues have vanished completely from the public consciousness: 'Manufacturing Consent' as lamented by Noam Chomsky is now more applicable to the Indian media-babu-neta circus than the American military-industrial-media complex.

To Name just a few Issues that Nobody is Bothered by :-

• The continuing occupation of large amounts of land by communist terrorists who are clear about their intention of overthrowing the Indian government; and Their Chutzpah in Attacking and Wiping Out a Platoon of Paramilitary Police

• The Massive and Rapid Arms Build-Up by China -- especially its New Focus on a Blue-water, Long-Range Navy to Project Power from the Straits of Malacca to the Straits of Hormuz -- Basically a Cordon Sanitaire Around India

• The Revival of the Fortunes of the Pakistani Army, Seen most Evidently in the Strutting about of General Ashfaq Kayani after he was Embraced by President Barack Obama, and in the recent Pakistani war-game which is a direct threat to defeat India in a conventional engagement

In a Sense, Cricket is Playing its Assigned Role as the Opiate of the Masses. The media plays a major role as facilitator. Anybody who has watched a discussion on Indian television cannot help being impressed by the vacuity of the talking heads. Lung-Power Generally Wins.

The Arms Build-Up by China has Reached Alarming Proportions. There was a Startling Story in the New York Times on April 23 about How the Americans -- Pre-Eminent Military Superpower that they are -- are Getting Seriously Worried about the Growth and Reach of Chinese naval power.

No Longer Content with their former defensive posture regarding Taiwan and the South China Sea, The Chinese are Now Interpreting their Interests Broadly -- they Claim that the Entire Route for Oil that they Import (thus the Arabian Sea and the Indian Ocean) as well as the Western Pacific are their Natural Zones of Influence -- A Sort of Monroe Doctrine (whereby the Americans once defined South America as their Imperial Backyard where they would never allow any other Power much Influence).

A couple of years ago the conventional wisdom was that, despite the fact that Chinese power on land has become increasingly evident, there was some room for complacency because, after all, India had a more powerful blue-water navy which could project power far afield. Much has been made of an aircraft carrier group in the Indian Navy's fleet -- although that should really count for a 'virtual' carrier given the aging and now mothballed Vikrant, the controversial and also aged Admiral Gorshkov (not yet commissioned) and the far-off-in-the-future carrier being built in India.

The Thought was that India had an Advantage at Sea. It is now increasingly clear that this is not so. The Chinese have set up a Massive Submarine Base at Halong Bay, Hainan, which Threatens the South China Sea and also the Indian Ocean; they have set up Tactical Facilities at Hambantota in Sri Lanka , Gwadar in Baluchistan, and in the Cocos Islands in Burma. In the Meantime, India has Dithered in its Naval Procurement: a former Navy Chief Complained bitterly about the Lack of Funds.

For some strange reason, there is a certain Bizarre Behaviour on the part of India as regards China. Whenever the Chinese Assert Themselves the Indians act like some Vassal of an Imperial Court, Bowing and Scraping with the Best of Them. This was on Display Recently when the Indian Foreign Minister went to Beijing , KowTowed away at the Imperial Court, and -- this is the Hilarious Part -- Asked for their Help in Bringing Pakistan to Heel on Terrorism! For Good Measure, he Asked for China's Support in India's Quixotic Quest for the Security Council Seat!

This Must have Led to Peals of Laughter in the Forbidden City : China is Pakistan's Main Sponsor -- Otherwise ask why there is no Terrorism in Uighur-Majority Xinjiang even though Technically the ISI should be as Concerned about Uighurs as they are about Kashmiris based on the Theory of the Universal Ummah. And China's Answer for the Security Council? When Hell Freezes Over!

But, to quote Mad magazine, "What, Me Worry?"

The Lineal Descendants of Marie Antoinette are Telling Indians, "Let Them Play Cricket Instead".

sunilpatel · Post by **sunilpatel** » 27 Apr 2010 17:37

Three issues should be dominating media coverage in India: China's Imperial Ambitions, Pakistan's increasing closeness to the US and its crucial role in Afghanistan and the Naxal insurgency, not the IPL controversies, writes Rajeev Srinivasan.

Very True...
OT ...but i was student of History during my UPSC...and i always found that..Indians are always less concern about the Prolems, which "directly" affect them in immediate times.......and if you see at the history of any civilization, all the civilizations, which ever are destroyed are not due to attacks by foreigners..but was due to People & leaders feedlling, .....

Our Media must be worst in the world, for whome the masala of IPL is much more important then naxalites attackes, their planning, chinapanda & paki builtup...dont know how many people are even aware & concern about what;s happening out of their circle....
rightnow, there is movement going on in Gujarat..its "Vanche Gujarat" mean..."Read Gujarat"...its really must, that common indian starts thinking about indian borders...

David Siegel · Post by **David Siegel** » 27 Apr 2010 18:01

Cross Posting from Strategy Board;

Nightmare 2012: Chinese Special Forces cut off Siliguri corridor
http://publication.samachar.com/topstor ... chfeb.html

David Siegel · Post by **David Siegel** » 02 May 2010 22:17

Not Sure, if already posted.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08Qgzctt4i0

Samay · Post by **Samay** » 02 May 2010 22:54

• The continuing occupation of large amounts of land by communist terrorists who are clear about their intention of overthrowing the Indian government; and Their Chutzpah in Attacking and Wiping Out a Platoon of Paramilitary Police

• The Massive and Rapid Arms Build-Up by China -- especially its New Focus on a Blue-water, Long-Range Navy to Project Power from the Straits of Malacca to the Straits of Hormuz -- Basically a Cordon Sanitaire Around India

they will certainly para-drop on maoist controlled areas,
doing the same,what USA does to interfere anywhere, i.e to create a support first.

Kartik · Post by **Kartik** » 03 May 2010 07:14

the 4th J-10 crash happened recently which was fatal.

notice how there has been no howling and bawling in Chinese and international media..imagine if this was the fourth LCA crash..what kind of reaction the DDM and DDMites would then have..they'd have already started using names like "Widow-maker" or "new flying coffin" and so on..

cross posting from Keypub forums. posted by a Chinese poster.

22 April 2010:
J-10.
9th Division, PLAAF, based in Guang Dong Province.
About 9 AM, crashed in Dao County, Hu Nan Province.

Pilot was killed.
Senior Colonel XIE Feng Liang. 9th Division commander.

more on it from this link

Craig Alpert · Post by **Craig Alpert** » 05 May 2010 05:09

Made in China: Cyber-spying system, with focus on India

NEW DELHI: Reports of a China-based cyber spy network targetting the Indian military and the consequent alert sounded by Army authorities may be only the tip of the iceberg -- investigations have revealed a fully dedicated India-specific espionage system aimed at business, diplomatic, strategic and academic interests.

The detailed research and investigations carried out by Canada-based authors of the report 'Shadows in the Cloud' and experts from India's NTRO have pointed to a command and control system that used free web-hosting services and social networking sites like Twitter, Baidu blogs and Google. These accounts were manipulated by a "core" of servers based in Chengdu in China.

The report, released in early April, received fairly wide publicity but its fuller implications are only now beginning to sink in. The largely India-centric cyber warfare system is described as "son of ghost net", an allusion to a Chinese effort to infiltrate the Tibetan exile community. The current investigations also began in Dharamshala but revealed a larger intent linked to an underground hacking community in Chengdu.

An email used in ghostnet turned up in the Shadows probe as well and is identified as losttemp33@hotmail and was associated with Xfocus and Isbase, two popular Chinese hacking forums and possibly was a student of master hackers Glacier and Sunwear. The individual is believed to have studied at University of Electronic Science and Technology at Chengdu in Sichuan.

The Canadian team used a domain name system (DNS) sinkhole to turn IP addresses into domain names by grabbing suspect servers abandoned after ghostnet investigations. The list of compromised Indian computers is disturbing: machines at Indian missions at Kabul, Moscow, Dubai, Abuja, US, Serbia, Belgium, Germany, Cyprus, UK and Zimbabwe were infected.

A machine at the National Security Council Secretariat was tapped as were computers at military engineering services at Kolkata, Bangalore and Jalandhar. Computers linked to the 21 Mountain Artillery Brigade, the Air Force Station at Race Course Road opposite the PM's residence, the Army Institute of Technology at Pune and Military College of Electronics and Mechanical Engineering at Secunderabad were also compromised.

Thinktanks such as the Institute for Defence Studies and Analyses and publications like India Strategic and FORCE were also targeted as were corporations like DLF Limited, Tata and YKK India. Computers at the National Maritime Foundation and Gujarat Chemical Port Terminal Compnay were also hit.

On-ground investigations at Dharamshala, where the Tibetan exile community is headquartered, showed that computers were beaconing with server 'jdusnemsaz' in Chongqing in China. Interestingly, while Chengdu has a military research bureau, Chongqing is host to several triads -- criminal networks with connections to the Chinese government and Communist Party.

In a lucky break, the Canadian team was able to recover data being removed by attackers and discovered a list of compromised computers. Registering and monitoring four of the domain names revealed by the earlier ghostnet probe, they reached those used in the shadows network like www.assam2008.net, aaa.msnxy,net, sysroots.net, www.lookbyturns.com and www.macfeeresponse.org.

The investigations showed that the infected email or social networking accounts were infiltrated with malware which then allowed the compromised computer to receive more sophisticated software through attachments. All through, there was a core of master servers based in China that kept a close check on infiltration of computers and transfer of all sorts of documents from personal details to missile analysis to safe drop zones.

naren · Post by **naren** » 05 May 2010 08:26

^^^ Why is Canada so nice to us ? Whats in it for them ? Philanthropy onlee ? This sounds like psy-ops to me.

Typical botnets have nodes spanning multiple countries. Usually one of these nodes will be placed in an "unfriendly" country, so that the trace cannot go all the way back to the source. China being super paranoid about internal security and super conscious about H&D, hence uncooperative, what is the possibility that a third party (read Unkil) is not trying to play India against China ?

India needs to ramp up the cyber warfare infrastructure. Cyber terrorism is a no-holds-barred, free-for-all, any-~~sh1t~~Pakistan-happens game. Whether China or Unkil or whoever, India must be prepared. Our TFTA computer minds are lost every year to Googles and Microsofts. About time GOI gets off its lazy a-- and does something about it. A massive attack could paralyze the IT/ITES industry. It cannot do any permanent damage though.

On-ground investigations at Dharamshala, where the Tibetan exile community is headquartered, showed that computers were beaconing with server 'jdusnemsaz' in Chongqing in China. Interestingly, while Chengdu has a military research bureau, Chongqing is host to several triads -- criminal networks with connections to the Chinese government and Communist Party.

Its just as possible for triads to have links with CIA. Triads are known to have connections with the party officials, true. (Heck, every criminal syndicate in every part of the world have connections with the local politician/police, duh). But to say that they operate under the blessings of the govt, sounds a bit stretched.

sum · Post by **sum** » 05 May 2010 08:37

^^^ Why is Canada so nice to us ? Whats in it for them ? Philanthropy onlee ? This sounds like psy-ops to me.

Even i didnt understand this Canada-India bhaichara.

The same is mentioned in "Shadow Factory : Stoory of NSA" where the author says GoI approached Canadian agencies to decrypt the Blackberry after RIM played traunt with GoI

mukul_chou · Post by **mukul_chou** » 06 May 2010 22:41

Dear all, don't know if this is the right topic or not, I fond an interesting piece of info and want to share

russian-arms-copycat-china

plz note what is contradictory, on the same page under topic 'More on the story'
'Russia has delivered 15 batteries of S-300 surface-to-air missile systems..'

eager to know what others think

Craig Alpert · Post by **Craig Alpert** » 11 May 2010 04:32

China tries to hide J-10 fighter crashes

10 May 2010 8ak: On April 13, in the port city of Tianjin about 130- KM away from Beijing, China showed off its 4th Generation J-10 aircraft to military attaches of about 50 countries it could possibly export to. 9 days later as per Strategy page reports it was running to cover up the 2nd crash of the J-10 fighter that became public in the last two years.

The 22 April crash became public because a senior colonel had died in the crash and the funeral became too big to keep the story hushed. The news report also claims that the design of the 200-odd J-10s produced has not worked out as desired by its developers.

The crash and doubts over its design also comes as a set back to Pakistan, which was hoping to buy 36 J-10 in a deal worth US$1.4 billion has also been concluded reports China's English Peoples Daily. In the past it has exported fighter aircraft to Iran, Myanmar, Bangladesh and Pakistan. However, the pitfalls of reverse engineering without paying royalty and truly understanding the technology are high accident rates, a fact that China has hushed up with its lack of media freedom.

The first flight of the J-10 begun took place in 1998. It is the most advanced 4th Generation aircraft to be built by China. However, Fighter-Planes.com reports the development of J-10 has proven to be torturous. The prototype was rumoured to have first flown in 1996, but the project suffered a serious setback in late 1997 when the 02 prototype lost control and crashed, as the result of certain system failure, presumably with either the FBW system or the engine. now compare this with LCA!!! I'd rather have the delay but a fighter that can more than match anything thrown at it from East, West, North and South!

If the reports pertaining to the faulty design of the fourth generation fighter are serious enough, it will put the Chinese plans to replace the obsolete J-7 fighter and Q-5 attack aircraft in a limbo. With 2,000 combat aircraft China has the 3rd largest air force in the world.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 11 May 2010 07:29

now compare this with LCA!!! I'd rather have the delay but a fighter that can more than match anything thrown at it from East, West, North and South!

Those that came to start the LCA had options to stay in the West and design top notch planes (for the West). The delays are an irritants, but there is decent foundation that India can build out on for sure.

However, this news about J10 crashes should play well into Indian plans. Time for India to put pressure on the US not to sell machines to the Pakis.

Mahesh_R · Post by **Mahesh_R** » 11 May 2010 07:31

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 913913.cms

I don't know when our lazy babu's wake up and take notice...

shukla · Post by **shukla** » 12 May 2010 18:52

India not paranoid over China: Antony

"Nothing like that," was Antony's response to reporters' queries if the government was paranoid over China and if there was any problem or bad feeling about Beijing. The government has taken a conscious policy decision to maintain "very cordial and friendly" relations with all the neighbours, he said while interacting with the media after inaugurating a conference of defence accounts controllers in New Delhi.

"In this context, we are trying to improve our relations with all our neighbouring countries and this includes China also. All are reciprocating well," he said. Noting that Sino-Indian border disputes still existed, the defence minister said the two governments had evolved mechanisms to talk about these disputes. "Despite these disputes, our relations are improving (with China) in all aspects. China is today our largest trading partner. Our cultural relations are improving.

"Regarding my ministry, disputes are there, but military relations are improving," he said citing the example of two Sino-Indian army exercises held in the last three years and the visit of defence secretary Pradeep Kumar to China earlier this year. "Our relations with China is improving and it is comparatively better and the border is peaceful," he said.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 12 May 2010 20:55

Too late to be paranoid?

DTI Check out pages 16 onwards.

Expect more crashes and erratic behavior too.

ashish raval · Post by **ashish raval** » 13 May 2010 02:53

Mahesh_R wrote:http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 913913.cms

What do you expect from strategically bankrupt minds of Indian babu's. They are like kittens who closes the eyes and wishes that there is no problem or somehow wish it away. Next Kargil is not far for sure. The only difference is it will be X 50 times more powerful enemy.

chackojoseph · Post by **chackojoseph** » 13 May 2010 08:16

Craig Alpert wrote:China tries to hide J-10 fighter crashes
10 May 2010 8ak: On April 13, in the port city of Tianjin about 130- KM away from Beijing, China showed off its 4th Generation J-10 aircraft to military attaches of ..................

If the reports pertaining to the faulty design of the fourth generation fighter are serious enough, it will put the Chinese plans to replace the obsolete J-7 fighter and Q-5 attack aircraft in a limbo. With 2,000 combat aircraft China has the 3rd largest air force in the world.

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If you all remember, a year or two back, Kanwa reported that the Chinese Pilots are against J-10 and wanted Rafales....

Pratik_S · Post by **Pratik_S** » 13 May 2010 09:35

Chinese naval J-11s spotted in the open
http://idrw.org/?p=1628

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 13 May 2010 13:44

smpratik wrote:Chinese naval J-11s spotted in the open
http://idrw.org/?p=1628

Land based to be sure.

VinodTK · Post by **VinodTK** » 17 May 2010 06:25

Dog on the menu for Chinese astronauts

Yang Liwei, the 44-year-old military pilot who commanded the Shenzhou Five mission in 2003, revealed the menu on-board the spacecraft in his autobiography, The Nine Levels between Heaven and Earth.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 17 May 2010 06:53

^^^
err, does that really come under this topic ?

VinodTK · Post by **VinodTK** » 17 May 2010 07:20

Rahul Sir,

I think this should be in China Military thread, because it talks about the food habits of the military folks in China as reported my a Chinese military person.

Plus it is a heads up to all the folks who live in border areas with China, take care of your dogs; because if your dog is missing, then some one across the border is feasting.

Hiten · Post by **Hiten** » 17 May 2010 07:21

corrected URL for VinodTKji's article

Dog on the menu for Chinese astronauts

sum · Post by **sum** » 17 May 2010 08:47

VinodTK wrote:Rahul Sir,

I think this should be in China Military thread, because it talks about the food habits of the military folks in China as reported my a Chinese military person.

Plus it is a heads up to all the folks who live in border areas with China, take care of your dogs; because if your dog is missing, then some one across the border is feasting.

Errr, dog meat is a delicacy in the border ares of China,i.e, in most parts of the NE. So, not sure if such generalization will work.

James B · Post by **James B** » 17 May 2010 23:40

Chinese Military Won't Accept 'Made In China' Fighters

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 18 May 2010 00:53

No worries, Fizzle Yeah will salvage China's reputation.

shukla · Post by **shukla** » 18 May 2010 15:17

James B wrote:Chinese Military Won't Accept 'Made In China' Fighters

Serves the 'copy-cats' well.. all that for reverse-engineering.

shukla · Post by **shukla** » 18 May 2010 15:20

Tell us who owns you, says India to China network firms

The Indian government has demanded that Chinese networking firms Huawei and ZTE produce details of their ownership within one month if they are to lift the current ban on importing their equipment, the Wall Street Journal reports. Earlier this month, authorities imposed an effective embargo on local telecommunications operators importing Chinese-made technology on grounds of national security.

Following a meeting between representatives from ZTE and the Indian Home Secretary late last week, the vendors have reportedly been issued with a deadline for disclosing the precise nature of their ownership. At present, the Department of Telecommunications itself is not forbidding the import of Chinese gear, but all individual procurement requests are routinely being blocked by India's Ministry of Home Affairs, with one unnamed official claiming the government has uncovered alarming information regarding the ownership of ZTE and Huawei.

"We have evidence that the two companies are owned by the PLA (People's Liberation Army) of China, and India's security concerns are well-founded," the anonymous source told Dow Jones Newswires.

shukla · Post by **shukla** » 20 May 2010 15:04

China's High Seas Aggression

JimmyJ · Post by **JimmyJ** » 20 May 2010 17:56

shukla wrote:China's High Seas Aggression

From the link

China is also negotiating for a new base in Iran.

And with our relation in a tizzy with Iran, would this mean that the alternate port would be Chabahar?

We helped to upgrade the port, we build the road to Central Asia and in the end would China leverage the strategic value out of our investment? That would be like being mocked at.

Also further possibilities would be
1. Iran emerging as a stable partner for China, unlike Pakistan.
2. An opportunity for China to look at South Asia and Central Asia through a non Pak prism.
3. Joint control with Iran over the crucial oil shipping lane.
4. More elbow in the Middle East, Afghanistan and South Asia

But for all these to happen China will have to get Iran into more trouble first and then come as the messiah. They are truly good at fishing in muddled water.

kittoo · Post by **kittoo** » 20 May 2010 19:03

JimmyJ wrote:
shukla wrote:China's High Seas Aggression
From the link
China is also negotiating for a new base in Iran.
And with our relation in a tizzy with Iran, would this mean that the alternate port would be Chabahar?

We helped to upgrade the port, we build the road to Central Asia and in the end would China leverage the strategic value out of our investment? That would be like being mocked at.

Also further possibilities would be
1. Iran emerging as a stable partner for China, unlike Pakistan.
2. An opportunity for China to look at South Asia and Central Asia through a non Pak prism.
3. Joint control with Iran over the crucial oil shipping lane.
4. More elbow in the Middle East, Afghanistan and South Asia

But for all these to happen China will have to get Iran into more trouble first and then come as the messiah. They are truly good at fishing in muddled water.

And that, once again, because of USA.
What irony that if China actually gets base at Chabahar, we will be thinking that even the road building etc shouldnt have been done, something we were actually somewhat proud of.

Craig Alpert · Post by **Craig Alpert** » 21 May 2010 04:05

JINGOES WISHES are BABU'S COMMAND (only if that were true!)

India snubs US, hails Iran's N-plan

NEW DELHI: The growing policy rift between India and the US on how to deal with Iran's nuclear enrichment plans has come out in the open with foreign minister S M Krishna disagreeing with the American position to welcome Tehran's decision to send its low enriched uranium stock to Turkey.

"That Iran has agreed to send enriched uranium to Turkey, is, I think, a constructive move," the foreign minister told TOI.

Krishna was replying to a question on US's plans to rope in other members of the UN Security Council to impose sanctions on Iran despite the swap deal under which Iran will send 2,640 pounds of its low-enriched uranium to Turkey within one month and, in turn, receive fuel rods for a medical research reactor.

US along with several European nations have taken a dim view of the swap deal facilitated by Brazil and Turkey, suspecting that it was just a manoeuvre to derail the push for Security Council sanctions against Iran.

The swap deal is similar to the offer US and other countries had put on the table in October.

US and others say that that the original swap deal, that Iran accepted only to reject it later, required Tehran to send out 2,640 pounds -- 80% of its stock -- of enriched uranium, and start serious negotiations which could have delayed its pursuit of a nuclear weapon. Now, 2,640 pounds amount to just about half of Iran's stock.

That the fresh swap deal puts no curbs on Iran's plan to accelerate enrichment, and leaves it free to take back the fuel stored in Turkey when it wants, are other reasons why US continues to work for UNSC sanctions against Tehran.

Krishna who was in Tehran when Iran agreed to uranimum swap with Turkey did not agree that sanctions had become inevitable. He said, "Efforts should be made to encourage Iran to deal directly with the IAEA so that it could come to the mainstream. That would be a desirable objective. But I don't know what will happen in future."

His remarks tied in with the perception that India, annoyed Iran by voting in the IAEA against Iran, was busy trying to mend fences. "Civility is certainly no weakness. If I have tried to put our bilateral relationship on a cordial pedestal, it is because of our deep desire to have a friendly relationship with Iran with which we have civilisational and other links."

Asked about the perception of there being a disconnect between US and India over Iran and Afghanistan, the foreign minister said, "US has its own foreign policy and India has its own and if the two were to converge at some point, that doesn't mean to say that we are camp followers of one or the other country. It so happens that both of us take the same view of the relationship."

India's efforts to repair ties with Iran have been encouraged by their shared fears over Pakistan's moves to capitalise on US's anxiety to pull out of Afghanistan to install a proxy regime.

SORRY for going a bit OT!

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 21 May 2010 09:51

New Chinese fighter jet expected by 2018: US intel

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/worl ... 956635.cms