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Postby Guddu » 02 Jan 2010 19:08

Gagan wrote:A few of Pakistan's Nuclear and Strategic sites - Google Earth pics

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Khushab Nuclear Complex


Gaganji, I noticed a typo, it should be Khusboo Nuclear Kamplex...

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Postby babbupandey » 02 Jan 2010 20:44

Sorry for going off-topic
There were some posts doubting the ship-building capability of China, in that regard I'm reminded of a joke
Once there was a major network crash in America and all their data was lost, Chinese called the shaken-up Americans and told them "don't worry, we have all your data in China - as backup!" :D
Proves the point that China does have the technological capability - just not theirs!

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Postby Craig Alpert » 06 Jan 2010 05:27

Pakistan’s P-3 Orion Maritime Aircraft - and their Harpoons
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Lockheed Martin Corp. in Eagan, MN receives a $34.2 million modification to a previously awarded indefinite-delivery/ indefinite-quantity contract, adding funding for Pakistani P-3C mission system spares.

Work will be performed in Eagan, MN (75%), Oldsmar, FL (20%), and Manassas, VA (5%), and is expected to be complete in September 2011. The Naval Air Warfare Center Aircraft Division in Lakehurst, NJ manages this contract (N00019-06-D-0012).

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Postby Craig Alpert » 06 Jan 2010 21:12

No soft approach towards India: Pak Defence Committee of Cabinet
ISLAMABAD: Pakistan's political and military leadership on Wednesday decided not to adopt any soft posture towards India, saying that no one should underestimate Pakistan’s capacity to safeguard its sovereignty.
The decision was taken in a meeting of the Defence Committee of the Cabinet (DCC) in connection to the recent remarks of the Indian army chief Deepak Kapoor about pursuing a proactive strategy to simultaneously wage wars against China and Pakistan. The remarks of Indian army chief produced uproar in local media while the country’s military and political leadership responded by making bunt statements.

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Postby Craig Alpert » 07 Jan 2010 06:50

Zardari drops Kashmir-bomb, says ready for '1000-yr ideological war' with India
"When Zulfikar had spoken of waging a thousand-year war, he never said he would not do it through talks or negotiations," he said. President Zardari said regional peace was inextricably linked to the settlement of the decades-old dispute over Kashmir.

"We cannot de-link regional peace from peace in Kashmir. we have highlighted this thinking in the world and will keep projecting it," he said. Describing Kashmir as the "jugular vein" of Pakistan, the president said: "soon the time will come when the world will take important decisions regarding Kashmir".

Zardari said Pakistan and India should learn to live in peace.

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Postby arun » 07 Jan 2010 15:02

Hmm ……………. In the Army of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan the urge for committing “Jihad fi Sabilillah” or “Jihad in the path of Allah” even overides the hippocratic oath.

Tahawwur Rana claims to have deserted from the Pakistan Army where he served as a physician.:

Chicago terror suspect is Pakistani army deserter

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Postby sumshyam » 08 Jan 2010 22:40

Pak Army gets additional Rs 35 billion to counter India:report

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The Pakistan government allocated an additional amount of Rs 35 billion for the 2009-10 defence budget due to expenses on anti-militancy operations and the need to acquire modern equipment to counter a perceived threat from India, according to a media report.

Following the additional allocation, Pakistan's defence budget will increase to about Rs 378 billion.

In June, Pakistan hiked its defence spending for 2009-10 to Rs 342.9 billion, marking a 15.3% increase over the outlay of Rs 296 billion for the previous fiscal.

President Asif Ali Zardari and Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani approved the additional outlay following demands from army chief Gen Ashfaq Parvez Kayani and Gen Tariq Majid, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Committee, Dawn News channel quoted sources as saying.

The military told the government that the additional amount is needed for expenses on operations against the Taliban in Swat and Waziristan tribal region and to procure modern equipment in the face of a perceived threat from India, the sources were quoted as saying.

Pakistan has mobilised over 30,000 soldiers to flush out Taliban militants from South Waziristan.

Troops are also conducting operations against rebels in the northwestern Swat valley.

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Postby Craig Alpert » 09 Jan 2010 20:43

Indian villages along Punjab border came under attack from Pak
ATTARI: Six rockets were fired from Pakistan into Indian territory shortly past Friday midnight. Two rockets fell inside the Border Security Force's Kangarh border outpost (BOP).

Luckily, the rockets did not explode. The BOP is barely half a kilometre from the Indo-Pakistan border. In retaliation, the BSF opened machine gun and mortar fire targeting Pakistan’s KS Wala BOP area, from which the rockets had come. The location of the rest of the rockets fired from the Pakistani side could not be ascertained because of the thick fog that has enveloped these areas.

This is the third rocket attack within six months from Pakistan targeting Indian villages. The earlier rockets were fired into Indian villages in July and September.

Himmat Singh, the BSF's inspector general (frontier), told TOI that six rockets were fired from Pakistan between 12.10am and12.30am. He said the BSF had retaliated strongly and opened machine gun and mortar fire. :twisted: Following the rocket attacks, the BSF held a meeting with the Pak Rangers commandant, Sher Jhang, and lodged a strong protest, Singh said, adding that no damage or injury was reported.

He said the Pak Rangers had not mentioned any casualty due to firing from the Indian side. He apprehended the hand of Pakistani terrorist groups behind the attack. However, he did not rule out the possibility of the involvement of the Pak Rangers.

Meanwhile, there is panic in the border villages. Manjit Kaur, a resident of Modhae village, said she had heard the blasts around midnight and came out of her house along with other family members. She said: “We thought Pakistan had attacked us as we heard three to four blasts in a short duration. Luckily, it wasn’t a war.” She said the Indian government must take measures to prevent such incidents and restore confidence.

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Postby sunny y » 10 Jan 2010 13:52

Indian villages along Punjab border came under attack from Pak


I think the only way to make them quiet is to cause some serious damage o them once & for all. I mean these retaliatory machine gun fires is not going to change anything. They are throwing rockets at us. Use PINAKA :twisted:
The way they blame terrorists for these rocket fires, we can blame Pinaka fires on fake IA jawans who suddenly took matters into their own hands & then the usual statements "inquiry has been initiated in this matter", "we are not going to tolerate this nonsense" etc.
I don't know if this will actually work but we have to do something strong to stop this paki drama.

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Postby uddu » 10 Jan 2010 14:19

sunny y wrote:
Indian villages along Punjab border came under attack from Pak


I think the only way to make them quiet is to cause some serious damage o them once & for all. I mean these retaliatory machine gun fires is not going to change anything. They are throwing rockets at us. Use PINAKA :twisted:
The way they blame terrorists for these rocket fires, we can blame Pinaka fires on fake IA jawans who suddenly took matters into their own hands & then the usual statements "inquiry has been initiated in this matter", "we are not going to tolerate this nonsense" etc.
I don't know if this will actually work but we have to do something strong to stop this paki drama.


No. The Indian Army retaliated using Pinaka against the terrorists. If any Paki structure is destroyed, It was because the fire was coming from that place. And what was the terrorists doing at the Pakistani military base?

This must be the kind of response but we always hear "lodged strong protest with Pakistan". Who will protest to the terrorists except India.

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Postby Nayak » 10 Jan 2010 19:46

ISPR Documentary - Life of a Siachen Soldier Part 1 (Pakistan Army)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EnIF_dpW80

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCP88qmypaU

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Postby Khalsa » 11 Jan 2010 12:26

Pakistan Air Force IL 78 Tankers almost ready for delivery.

http://pakistankakhudahafiz.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/il-78a.jpg
http://pakistankakhudahafiz.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/il-78b.jpg
http://pakistankakhudahafiz.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/il-78c.jpg
http://pakistankakhudahafiz.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/il-78d.jpg


I believe they are getting 4 of these.

Being a military kid and having seen these beasts only in the IAF colours it does frustrate me to see the PAF symbol there. Although the example above is of a non-offensive system, this should serves as a good reminder why one must never arm themselves with a stick of the same size as stick size of the the person you are about to clobber.

i.e no point going for F-16 IN VIPER for the MRCA.

Get a different aircraft, something they have no experience with at all.



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Postby Singha » 13 Jan 2010 21:06

seems to me whenever they really need something, the pakis move really fast and the resources are found whether internally or from external donors and well wishers.

they dont have this convoluted "process" we have and single vendor deals seem quite ok there.

instead of laying in more weapons, we are busy cancelling tenders and blacklisting vendors!

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Postby Gagan » 13 Jan 2010 23:28

Where do they get the money to buy these weapons platforms? The 3.5 friends must be bankrolling them.

For the 3.5 friends, giving them fighter aircraft and refuellers and AIM-120s is a good deal, because these weapon systems will never be used against the 3.5 firends, it helps them sell military goods and keep the factories running.

It is only the pakistanis idealogy that they worry about and recently the prospect of a JDAM.

But do the 3.5 friends do this with animosity towards India? Or are they simply unconcerned with what the pakistanis do with the weapons? China we know does not want well of India, but the others - even with greater economic integration with India?

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Postby Nihat » 14 Jan 2010 01:08

TSP always holds a gun to it's head (although an empty one) and threatens to blow the sun out if certain demands are not met , that would explain the US current stance towards TSP , which is increasingly one of a reluctunt supplier. China , on the other hand has geo-strategic reasons for backing TSP against India without bringing itself in the limelight as an anti-India state. It has a history of backing such rouge states such as Myanmar and NoKo.

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Postby negi » 14 Jan 2010 03:17

GD , Gagan

Following might be some of the reasons for aid to TSP.

1. 3.5 think that in order to prevent a Indo-Pak showdown in the subcontinent they need to ensure TSP is armed well enough to close down the gap with Indian conventional firepower this would ensure that GOI will have a hard decision to take with regards to ordering conventional strikes against the TSP.

2. The fact that the 3.5 have far more confidence in India not crossing the rubicon come what may as compared to their confidence in TSP so they are merely exploiting the situation in the subcontinent to expand their arms bazaar.

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Postby arun » 15 Jan 2010 13:39

X Posted.

Two former members of the officer corps of the Army of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan get taken in by the “Jihad-fi-Sabilillah” part of the institutional motto and get indicted for what else but indulgence of “Jihad in the path of Allah”, by the United States.

The two former members of the officer corps of the Army of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan indicted for “Jihad in the path of Allah” are Major (Retd.) Tahawwur Hussein Rana and Major (Retd.) Abdur Rehman Hashim Syed.

US Department of Justice press release dated Jan 14, 2010:

Tahawwur Rana and David Headley Indicted for Alleged Roles in India and Denmark Terrorism Conspiracies


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Postby Nayak » 17 Jan 2010 07:20

Delivery of 100 missiles from Brazil to start this year

http://www.onlinenews.com.pk/details.php?id=157281

ISLAMABAD/RIO De JANEIRO: The supply of 100 automatic Anti Radiant missiles (MAR-1) to Pakistan from Brazil would be started this year.

Defense sources informed Online that Government of Brazil on December 03, 2008 gave approval for the sale of 100 missiles to Pakistan, which can be used in air-to-surface attacks on radar tracking installations. After formal agreement, the supply of such missiles would be started to Pakistan from Brazil this year and would be completed in 2 or 3 years, sources said, adding that, the medium-range missiles is being made by Brazilian firm Mectron.

Sources went on to say that not only missiles would be given to Pakistan but also Brazilian authorities would impart training and other facilities to Pakistani authorities in this respect.

MAR-I having 25 to 30 kilometer range is anti-radiant missile and can be used in air to surface attack on radar tracking installations of enemy.

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Postby Masaru » 17 Jan 2010 08:18

X - post TSP

Elite US troops ready to combat Pakistani nuclear hijacks

The US army is training a crack unit to seal off and snatch back Pakistani nuclear weapons in the event that militants, possibly from inside the country’s security apparatus, get their hands on a nuclear device or materials that could make one. The specialised unit would be charged with recovering the nuclear materials and securing them.


In a counterterrorism journal, published by America’s West Point military academy, he documented three incidents. The first was an attack in November 2007 at Sargodha in Punjab, where nuclearcapable F-16 jet aircraft are thought to be stationed. The following month a suicide bomber struck at Pakistan’s nuclear airbase at Kamra in Attock district. In August 2008 a group of suicide bombers blew up the gates to a weapons complex at the Wah cantonment in Punjab, believed to be one of Pakistan’s nuclear warhead assembly plants. The attack left 63 people dead.

A further attack followed at Kamra last October. Pakistan denies that the base still has a nuclear role, but Gregory believes it does. A six-man suicide team was arrested in Sargodha last August.

Fears that militants could penetrate a nuclear facility intensified after a brazen attack on army headquarters in Rawalpindi in October when 10 gunmen wearing army uniforms got inside and laid siege for 22 hours. Last month there was an attack on the naval command centre in Islamabad.


Bashir Mahmood, the former head of Pakistan’s plutonium reactor, formed the Islamic charity Ummah Tameer-e-Nau in March 2000 after resigning from the Pakistan Atomic Energy Commission. He was arrested in Islamabad on October 23, 2001, with his associate Abdul Majeed for alleged links to Osama Bin Laden.

Concerns about hostility towards America within elements of the Pakistani armed forces first surfaced in 2007. At a meeting of military commanders staged at Kurram, on the border between Pakistan and Afghanistan, a Pakistani major drew his pistol and shot an American. The incident was hushed up as a gunfight.


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Postby arun » 21 Jan 2010 19:31

X Posted.

Not surprising given the genocidal track record of the military of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan dating back to 1970-71 in what is now Bangladesh. The minority Pashtun and Baloch at the receiving end from the Punjabi dominated military of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan.:

Pakistan: Military Undermines Government on Human Rights

Battling Taliban No Excuse for Complicity in Abusive Counter-terrorism Practices

January 20, 2010

(New York) - Pakistan's military actively undermined the civilian government's human rights agenda in 2009, Human Rights Watch said today in its new World Report 2010.
The 612-page report, the organization's 20th annual review of human rights practices around the globe, summarizes major human rights trends in more than 90 nations and territories worldwide.

The report says that Pakistan's military publicly and privately resisted the government's reconciliation efforts in the troubled province of Balochistan and attempts to locate people "disappeared" there during General Pervez Musharraf's military rule. The military also opposed the international community's attempts to end military intervention in the political and judicial processes through aid conditions.

"The Pakistani military continues to subvert the political and judicial systems in Pakistan," said Ali Dayan Hasan, senior South Asia researcher at Human Rights Watch. "After eight years of disastrous military rule and in spite of the election of a civilian government, the army appears determined to continue calling the shots in order to ensure that it can continue to perpetrate abuses with impunity."

In October, US President Barack Obama signed into law the Enhanced Partnership with Pakistan Act, promising US$7.5 billion in non-military aid over five years. Known as the Kerry-Lugar Act, the law places conditions on the military component of the aid. This includes a requirement for the US secretary of state to certify, before aid can be delivered, that the Pakistani military is combating terrorism, not engaged in nuclear proliferation, and not "materially and substantially subverting the political or judicial processes of Pakistan."

The Pakistani military led a backlash against these requirements, in an apparent attempt to destabilize the elected government and force the resignation of President Asif Zardari. It publicly rebuked the government for not opposing these conditions and pressed the foreign minister to travel to Washington to ease them.

"For constitutional rule to take root in Pakistan, the military needs to accept the primacy of civilian rule," said Hasan. "The military needs to recognize that it no longer runs the show in Pakistan."

Human Rights Watch said that Pakistan's civilian government took a major step forward in December by formally acknowledging serious human rights abuses against the Baloch, including the enforced disappearance of hundreds of people during eight years of military rule, and announcing a reconciliation process in the troubled province. However, the military has blocked attempts by the government to locate the "disappeared" and continues to exercise sway over the province, muzzling the local media and using its intelligence agencies to undermine the provincial and federal government's reconciliation efforts.

There were new reports of torture and arbitrary detention of Baloch nationalists at the hands of the military's intelligence agencies, and targeted killings by Baloch nationalists of non-Baloch settlers also spiked sharply, Human Rights Watch said.

Hundreds of Pakistanis were killed in dozens of suicide and bomb attacks perpetrated by Taliban and al-Qaeda affiliated groups. The attacks targeted civilians, political leaders, educational institutions, hospitals, and marketplaces. These armed groups also continued to recruit and use children, including for suicide attacks.

"The Taliban's actions amount to war crimes, and the Pakistan government should use all legal means possible to hold them accountable for these heinous abuses," Hasan said. "But Taliban atrocities are no justification for new laws that violate fundamental rights or unlawful counter-terrorism operations by Pakistani and US forces."

The government's response to militant attacks routinely violated basic rights, Human Rights Watch said. Hundreds were detained in a nationwide crackdown on militant groups, particularly in the conflict zones in Swat and the tribal areas. Many of these suspects were detained in two military facilities in Swat, one in the Khyber agency of the tribal areas, and at least one more in Northwest Frontier Province. The military has not allowed independent monitors access to most of these detainees.

Since September 2008, US aerial drones are believed to have carried out dozens of missile attacks on suspected militant hideouts in Pakistan's tribal areas, killing hundreds of civilians in addition to alleged militants, and prompting allegations that US attacks have violated the laws of war. The areas of the attacks are generally inaccessible to independent monitors, making it difficult to assess the allegations, Human Rights Watch said.

In October, the government amended the country's anti-terrorism laws through presidential ordinance to curtail further the legal rights of terrorism suspects. Under the ordinance, suspects can be placed in preventive detention for 90 days without judicial review or the right to post bail. Confessions to the police or military are admissible as evidence thought Pakistan's police and the military's intelligence services routinely torture suspects.

Other human rights concerns include the breakdown of law enforcement in the face of terrorism across the country, the failure of the judiciary to transform its newfound independence into non-partisan dispensation of justice, military abuses in operations in the tribal areas and Swat, and discriminatory laws against and mistreatment of religious minorities and women.

"Pakistan's elected government took several political and legal steps to improve human rights protections in the country in 2009," Hasan said. "However, serious challenges remain unaddressed, and the government's soaring rhetoric on rights remains unmatched by commensurate actions. This year should be a year of action, not just words."

Human Rights Watch

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Postby SanjibGhosh » 21 Jan 2010 21:30

US to give Pakistan unarmed drones’ technology: Gates (Lead)
http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/sou ... 07681.html

This is tooooo much ...... Now India should take a serious view about Indo-US (Obama) relationship ....

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Postby vavinash » 21 Jan 2010 21:31

Time to kick C-17's, P-8's, F-16 and F-18 out of India. :rotfl: . Welcome Russi brothers.

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Postby SanjibGhosh » 21 Jan 2010 21:33

vavinash wrote:Time to kick C-17's, P-8's, F-16 and F-18 out of India. :rotfl: . Welcome Russi brothers.


That should be very hard kick .....

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Postby ashish raval » 21 Jan 2010 22:00

A drone without weapons is a lion without teeth and nail, a simple UAV which is available freely in market. BTW, I have been telling time and again since last two years that GoI should seriously invest in Drone Killer technology.
Time to go for non-US MRCA.

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Postby Singha » 21 Jan 2010 22:16

I guess mothballed earlier models of predator will be given for free.

they wont be a problem in wartime, but in peacetime fairly cheap means to prowl around on their side and survey both our positions and id routes for terrorists.

I concur that too much arms being donated to TSP exclusively for anti-indian use.
a big deal like MRCA makes no sense to reward sher khan with in that case.

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Postby negi » 21 Jan 2010 22:21

Lets wait and watch it might very well be the case that Unkil might provide TSP with its tier-I or tier-II UAVs something in the league of GNAT 750 or RQ-7 Shadow. But then one can't never tell with Unkil , I guess Saik is right about their exposure to DU and all that . :lol: :mrgreen:

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Postby Gagan » 22 Jan 2010 03:32

Is it possible that the drones being given by massa are restricted to a specific geographical location? Also that the drone emit a signal that can be identified?

No protest by India, means that something kichri has been cooked between India and US.

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Postby abhishek_sharma » 22 Jan 2010 03:37

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/22/world/asia/22pstan.html

The United States will provide a dozen unarmed aerial spy drones to Pakistan for the first time as part of an effort to encourage Pakistan’s cooperation in fighting Islamic militants on the Afghanistan border, American defense officials said Thursday. But Pakistani military leaders, rebuffing American pressure, said they planned no new offensives for at least six months.

The unmanned Shadow drones, which are smaller than armed Predator drones, would be a significant upgrade in the Pakistanis’ reconnaissance and surveillance capability and would supply video to help cue ground or air strikes.


American officials have rejected giving Pakistan armed drones. The Shadow surveillance drone appears to be a compromise aimed at enticing Pakistan further into the war and helping the country’s political leadership explain the drone strikes to a deeply suspicious and anti-American public.


The latest version of the Shadow is used by the United States Army and the Marines in Iraq and Afghanistan. It has a wing span of 14 feet, is about 12 feet long, is launched from a trailer by ground units and can fly about 70 miles.

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Postby Masaru » 22 Jan 2010 03:47

ashish raval wrote:A drone without weapons is a lion without teeth and nail, a simple UAV which is available freely in market. BTW, I have been telling time and again since last two years that GoI should seriously invest in Drone Killer technology.
Time to go for non-US MRCA.


The concern would be proliferation risk like the Tomahawak which got r-engineered or the Harpoon which got modded for land attack role. The taller than mountain friends would be all over this piece of hardware as soon as it lands in Paki soil and would do a quid pro quo of modding it with suitable weapons for their 'all weather' friends. Soon versions will appear with a fresh coat of green paint sporting the name of a turk/arab/mongol invader's name in the Paki arsenal as a pindigenously developed product.

Another report

US to give Pakistan unarmed drones' technology

"Pakistan's demand for provision of drone technology has been accepted by the US and we are working together with Pakistan Army in this connection," visiting US Defence Secretary Ribert Gates told a private TV channel here.

"We are considering the provision of planes for intelligence surveillance and unmanned planes to Pakistan. Discussions are under way with the Pakistan military leadership on technical matters in this regard," he added.
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Postby vavinash » 22 Jan 2010 03:50

Throw C-17 out and buy IL-76 MF. A 2.2 bil slap will bring US to its senses or else bigger slaps like MRCA and P-8 should be knocked out.

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Postby ashish raval » 22 Jan 2010 04:51

vavinash wrote:Throw C-17 out and buy IL-76 MF. A 2.2 bil slap will bring US to its senses or else bigger slaps like MRCA and P-8 should be knocked out.


Indian orders are peanuts for US defense industry. They sell advanced weapons to edge Russia out of India slowly and create a capitalist US dominated ring spanning from Japan to scandenavia. After this, they will squeeze Russia and China according to their plans. Russians will not have any access to pacific, indian or atlantic ocean.

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Postby vavinash » 22 Jan 2010 05:14

BS, If US can afford to ignore total sales of 15-20 bil then they will not cry. Just kick them out of 1 deal and watch them whine like the porkis.

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Postby K Mehta » 22 Jan 2010 15:19

RQ-7 Shadow- wiki article
Shadow 200 RQ-7 – Tactical Unmanned Aircraft System, USA - specs by army-technology.com

Falco UAV- wiki article
Falco Unmanned Aerial Vehicle (UAV) - specs by army-technology.com

It looks like a case of US providing them with an inferior technology than one Bakis already have, albeit free. like OHP class frigate. Slight increase in capability due to increase in numbers.

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Postby nirav » 23 Jan 2010 17:39

All our Land mines are USELESS now !

A leetle more, and they could prolly jump/fly/levitate across the Border fence too !! :shock:

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Re: Pakistan arms sales, ops, doctrine, etc

Postby Mort Walker » 23 Jan 2010 19:11

Note the US supply of drones to TSP is not the problem, but the following:

Mr. Mr. Gates disclosed details of US decision to supply RQ-7 Shadow unmanned aerial vehicles to Pakistan during an interaction at the US embassy with members of the local media.

He said the US has set aside one billion dollars in its Coalition Support Fund to provide weapons and equipment to Pakistan for the war against terrorism and the drones would be part of this package.


http://beta.thehindu.com/news/international/article91421.ece?homepage=true
This $1B USD is in ADDITION to the $4.5B aid being provided by the Obama administration over 5 years.

The devil is in the detail of what US actions are in the region. A set aside of $1B for arms to TSP is very dangerous and even the Pentagon last year stated that TSP was misusing US military aid for its war against India. See http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/10/04/ap/world/main5362169.shtml. From 2001 to 2009, only $500M of $6.6B aid was properly used.


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