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Postby shyamd » 19 Apr 2008 15:38

Paki's Tests Long-Range Nuclear-Capable Missile, AFP Reports
April 19 (Bloomberg) -- Pakistan test-fired a long-range ballistic missile capable of carrying nuclear and conventional warheads, Agence France-Presse reported, citing the military.

The Shaheen II, or Hatf VI, missile with a range of 2,000 kilometers (1,243 miles) was launched from an undisclosed location, the news agency said, citing military spokesman Major General Athar Abbas.

India and Pakistan, both nuclear-capable powers, have tested a series of missiles since 2002, when the two countries came close to a fourth war. The South Asian neighbors have sought to repair relations since April 2003.

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Postby Kalantak » 19 Apr 2008 18:18

India does not give credence to Paki missile test
New Delhi, Apr 19

India today did not attach much importance to the test-firing of a ballistic missile by Pakistan saying such tests were regularly required as the technology was imported. :D "Such tests have been happening for ever.

Pakistan requires testing of missiles as the technology is flowing in from some other parts of the world. Therefore, regular testing is required," :D Navy chief Admiral Sureesh Mehta, who is also the Chairman of the Chiefs of Staff Committee, told reporters here.

His comment was sought on the test-firing of the Shaheen-II or Hatf-VI long-range surface-to-surface ballistic missile by Pakistan today.

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Postby sum » 19 Apr 2008 22:20

Such tests have been happening for ever.

Pakistan requires testing of missiles as the technology is flowing in from some other parts of the world. Therefore, regular testing is required," Navy chief Admiral Sureesh Mehta, who is also the Chairman of the Chiefs of Staff Committee, told reporters here.

:shock:
Dont recall any senior govt functionary ever bluntly putting it across!!!!
Just loving it....Hope that our country is taking the turn for the best and soon, all the new found tough talk will be followed by tough action(whenever required and from which we used to shy away earlier)

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Postby Nayak » 21 Apr 2008 12:04

Pakistan test launches longest-range nuclear-capable missile

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan: Pakistan launched a missile capable of carrying a nuclear warhead anywhere in rival India on Monday and said the test's success showed it was ready for wartime use.

The firing of the Hatf VI missile, also known as the Shaheen II, was the first during a field exercise, Pakistan's military said.

"It validated the operational readiness of a strategic missile group equipped with the Shaheen II missile," it said in a statement.

The military says the missile has a range of 2,000 kilometers (1,200 miles), the longest of several missiles in Pakistan's nuclear-capable arsenal. That is enough to hit targets anywhere in archrival India, as well as in Iran, Afghanistan and Central Asia.

Navy Chief Adm. Muhammad Afzal Tahir congratulated those responsible for the exercise on the "successful launch and the accuracy of the missile at the target," the statement said.

Tahir said Pakistan could be proud of the "reliability of its nuclear deterrence" and it would further enhance its nuclear capability.

Pakistan became a declared nuclear power in 1998 by conducting nuclear tests in response to those carried out by India.

The South Asian neighbors have fought three wars since gaining independence from Britain in 1947.

However, their relations have improved since 2004, when they began a peace process aimed at resolving their core dispute over the divided Himalayan region of Kashmir, which both claim.

Both countries routinely test missiles.
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Postby Aditya_V » 21 Apr 2008 13:44

I must say that the missile launched by the Pakis on Sunday, Shaheen-II (M-18 missile) looks pretty impressive. Its should have a range about 1200Kms. The Chinese have really upped the ante by given Pakis these missiles. I think we need to talk as to how make the Chinese pay by giving a Pakis a Missile more advanced than the M-11 and the M-9

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Postby Avid » 22 Apr 2008 18:47

:!: $5.1B Proposed in Sales, Upgrades, Weapons for Pakistan’s F-16s

21-Apr-2008 13:43 EDT


On June 28/06, the US DSCA notified Congress via a series of releases of its intention to provide Pakistan with a $5.1 billion Foreign Military Sales package to upgrade the F-16s that serve as the PAF’s top of the line fighters. Some of these items had been put on hold following the October 2005 earthquake in Pakistan & Kashmir, but the request for 36 new F-16 Block 50/52s:!: is now going ahead following the required 30-day review period, along with new weapons, engine modifications, 60 F-16 upgrade kits that would cover Pakistan’s older F-16 A/Bs plus other aircraft it might buy second-hand, and related equipment.

These items are detailed below… along with controversies the proposed sales have created, and some of the conditions attached to the sale by the US government. Another piece of the contract has gone through via engineering change and support purchases.

* Item 1: 36 New F-16 Block 50/52s – $3 billion:!:
* Item 2: Weapons for the New F-16s – $650 Million:!:
* Item 3: F-16A/B Mid-Life Update Modification Kits – $1.3 billion
* Item 4: F-16A/B Engine Modifications & UP/STAR – $151 Million

Source: Defense Industry Daily

Corroborating Sources:
http://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/p ... xports.asp
* 2,776 Radio Frequency (RF) TOW-2A Missiles, 422 RF Bunker Buster missiles, and associated equipment
* 130 HARPOON Block II Missiles and associated equipment
* 36 F-16 Block 50/52 aircraft and various engine and aircraft equipment upgrades
* 3,921 High Frequency Radio Systems
* 3 E-2C Hawkeye 2000 Airborne Early Warning Suite for P-3 aircraft


Details of Proposed Sale
Source: http://www.f-16.net/news_article1878.html
Item 1: 36 New F-16 Block 50/52s - $3 billion

The package for Pakistan's new F-16s also includes:

* 36 F-16C/D Block 50/52 aircraft with either the F100-PW-229 or F110-GE-129 Increased Performance Engines (IPEs) and APG-68(V)9 radars;
* 7 spare F100-PW-229 IPE or F110-GE-129 IPE engines;
* 7 spare APG-68(V)9 radar sets;
* 36 Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing Systems (JHMCS);
* 36 AN/ARC-238 SINCGARS radios with HAVE QUICK I/II;
* 36 Conformal Fuel Tanks (pairs) that fit along the aircraft's sides to give them extra range;
* 36 Link-16 Multifunctional Information Distribution System-Low Volume Terminals; DID has covered the tactical uses of MIDS-LVT Link 16 systems;
* 36 Global Positioning Systems (GPS) and Embedded GPS/Inertial Navigation Systems;
* 36 APX-113 Advanced Identification Friend or Foe Systems;
* 36 Advanced Integrated Defensive Electronic Warfare Suites without Digital Radio Frequency Memory (DRFM); or AN/ALQ-184 Electronic Counter Measures pod without DRFM; or AN/ALQ-131 Electronic Counter Measures pod without DRFM; or AN/ALQ-187 Advanced Self-Protection Integrated Suites without DRFM; or AN/ALQ-178 Self-Protection Electronic Warfare Suites without DRFM;
* 1 Unit Level Trainer;


Associated support equipment, software development/integration, modification kits, capability to employ a wide variety of munitions, spares and repair parts, flight test instrumentation, publications and technical documentation, CONUS-personnel training and training equipment, U.S. Government and contractor technical and logistics personnel services, and other related requirements to ensure full program supportability.

The principal contractors will be:

* Lockheed Martin Aeronautics Company, Fort Worth, TX;
* Lockheed Martin Missile and Fire Control, Dallas, TX;
* BAE Advanced Systems Greenlawn, NY;
* Boeing Corporation Seattle, WA;
* Boeing Integrated Defense Systems: St Louis, MO; Long Beach, CA; San Diego, CA;
* Raytheon Company: Lexington, MA; Goleta, CA;
* Raytheon Missile Systems in Tucson, AZ;
* Northrop-Grumman Electro-Optical Systems in Garland, TX;
* Northrop-Grumman Electronic Systems in Baltimore, MD;
* United Technology Company subsidiary Pratt & Whitney in East Hartford, CT; or
* General Electric Aircraft Engines in Cincinnati, OH. There are no known offset agreements in connection with this proposed sale. Implementation of this proposed sale will require multiple trips to Pakistan involving U.S. Government and contractor representatives for technical review/support and program management of the aircraft.


Item 2: Weapons for F-16C/D Block 50/52 Aircraft - $650 Million

# The Government of Pakistan has requested a possible sale of:500 AIM-120C5 Advanced Medium Range Air-to-Air Missiles (AMRAAM);
# 12 AMRAAM training missiles
# these have seeker warheads, but lack engines;
# 200 AIM-9M-8/9 Sidewinder Short-Range Air-Air Missiles; they are the version before the fifth-generation AIM-9X;
# 240 LAU-129/A Launchers
# these support AMRAAM or Sidewinder missiles;
# 500 Joint Direct Attack Munition (JDAM) Guidance Kits: GBU-31/38 Guided Bomb Unit (GBU) kits;
# 1600 Enhanced-GBU-12/24 GBUs;
# 800 MK-82 500 pound General Purpose (GP) and MK-84 2,000 pound GP bombs;
# 700 BLU-109 2000 pound bunker-buster bombs with the FMU-143 Fuse; and,
# Associated support equipment, software development/integration, modification kits, capability to employ a wide variety of munitions, spares, and repair parts, flight test instrumentation, publications, and technical documentation, CONUS-personnel training and training equipment, U.S. Government and contractor technical and logistics personnel services, and other related requirements to ensure full program supportability will also be provided.

The total value, if all options are exercised, could be as high as $650 million.

The principal contractors will be:

* BAE Advanced Systems in Greenlawn, NY;
* Lockheed Martin Aeronautics Company in Fort Worth, TX;
* Lockheed Martin Missile and Fire Control in Dallas, TX;
* Northrop-Grumman Electro-Optical Systems in Garland, TX; and,
* Northrop-Grumman Electronic Systems in Baltimore, MD. There are no known offset agreements in connection with this proposed sale. Implementation of this proposed sale will require multiple trips to Pakistan involving U.S. Government and contractor representatives for technical review/support, program management, and modification of the aircraft.


Item 3: F-16A/B Mid-Life Update Modification Kits - $1.3 billion

The Government of Pakistan has requested a possible sale of 60 F-16A/B Mid-Life Update (MLU) modification and Falcon Star Structural Service Life Enhancement kits consisting of:

* APG-68(V)9 with Synthetic Aperture Radar or the APG-66(V)2 radar;
* Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing Systems (JHMCS);
* AN/APX-113 Advanced Identification Friend or Foe Systems;
* AN/ALE-47 Advanced Countermeasures Dispenser Systems;
* Have Quick I/II Radios;
* Link-16 Multifunctional Information Distribution System-Low Volume Terminals (MIDS-LVT);
* SNIPER (formerly known as AN/AAQ-33 PANTERA) targeting pod capability;
* Reconnaissance pod capability;
* Advanced Air Combat Maneuvering Instrumentation Units (for training);


MDE included in the MLU modification and structural upgrade kits;

* 21 ALQ-131 Block II Electronic Countermeasures Pods without the Digital Radio Frequency Memory (DRFM); or ALQ-184 Electronic Countermeasures Pods without DRFM;
* 60 ALQ-213 Electronic Warfare Management Systems;
* 1 Unit Level Trainer;
* 10 APG-68(V)9 spare radar sets.


Also included are radars, modems, receivers, installation, avionics, spare and repair parts, support equipment, CONUS-personnel training and training equipment, technical assistance, publications and technical documentation, system drawings, U.S. Government and contractor engineering, and other related logistics elements necessary for full program support.

The estimated cost is $1.3 billion.

According to the DSCA, Pakistan intends to purchase the MLU Program equipment "to enhance survivability, communications connectivity, and extend the useful life of its F-16A/B fighter aircraft. The modifications and upgrades in this proposed sale will permit Pakistan's F-16A/B squadron to operate safely and enhance Pakistan's conventional deterrent capability. Pakistan's air fleet can readily use these updates to enhance and extend the life of its aircraft."

The principal contractors will be:

* BAE Advanced Systems in Greenlawn, NY;
* Lockheed Martin Aeronautics Company in Fort Worth, TX;
* Lockheed Martin Missile and Fire Control in Dallas, TX;
* Northrop-Grumman Electro-Optical Systems in Garland, TX; and,
* Northrop-Grumman Electronic Systems in Baltimore, MD.



Item 4: F-16A/B Engine Modifications & UP/STAR - $151 Million

The third contract involves Engine Modifications and Falcon UP/STAR Structural Upgrades as well as associated equipment and services. The total value, if all options are exercised, could be as high as $151 million.

More specifically, the Government of Pakistan has requested engine improvements and structural modifications to its F-16 fleet, which includes a possible sale of:

* 14 F100-PW-220E engines;
* 14 Falcon UP/STAR F-16 structural upgrade kits;
* De-modification and preparation of 26 aircraft;
* Support equipment;
* Software development/integration;
* Modification kits;
* Spares, and repair parts;
* Flight test instrumentation;
* Publications and technical documentation;
* Personnel training and training equipment;
* U.S. Government and contractor technical and logistics personnel services, and other related requirements to support the program.


The principal contractors will be:

* Lockheed Martin Aeronautics Company in Fort Worth, TX; and,
* United Technology Company subsidiary Pratt & Whitney in East Hartford, CT.
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Postby sum » 22 Apr 2008 20:41

Pakis sure are getting some mean weaponary baksheesh...atleast on missile and bomb front!!!! :x

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Postby Avid » 23 Apr 2008 02:47

Is anyone aware about the timeframe over which the:
a) 36 Block 50 are to be delivered?
b) the MLU will be completed?

That is going to be what in part will dictate the MRCA competition/induction. I smell the educated speculation from LM and Boeing folks coming to fruition - i.e. the MRCA deal is going to be expanded to ~200 with 126 going to one vendor and remaining ~80 going to a second vendor to speed up induction as well as add diversity.

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Postby ranganathan » 23 Apr 2008 03:01

There is no way US will get the MRCA deal. The govt will fall if GOI is stupid enough to sign MRCA deal with Boeing or LM. I have doubts about P-8 and C-130 also. If NDA comes to power then the deals may be renegotiated or given to europeans. If god forbid third front comes to power all th deal with US will be canceled for ever.

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Postby Kartik » 23 Apr 2008 06:07

ranganathan wrote:There is no way US will get the MRCA deal. The govt will fall if GOI is stupid enough to sign MRCA deal with Boeing or LM. I have doubts about P-8 and C-130 also. If NDA comes to power then the deals may be renegotiated or given to europeans. If god forbid third front comes to power all th deal with US will be canceled for ever.


if the commies come to power, we'd probably become a province of China..

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Postby SShah » 23 Apr 2008 06:29

Kartik wrote:
ranganathan wrote:There is no way US will get the MRCA deal. The govt will fall if GOI is stupid enough to sign MRCA deal with Boeing or LM. I have doubts about P-8 and C-130 also. If NDA comes to power then the deals may be renegotiated or given to europeans. If god forbid third front comes to power all th deal with US will be canceled for ever.


if the commies come to power, we'd probably become a province of China..


That is funny:lol: :lol: I agree though..

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Postby Kalantak » 23 Apr 2008 16:20

Kartik wrote:if the commies come to power, we'd probably become a province of China..


The commies with their red brigade of goons armed with guns cant control a bunch of villagers wielding sticks in Nandigram and they dream of ruling India. :lol:

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Postby saip » 23 Apr 2008 17:12

Avid wrote:Is anyone aware about the timeframe over which the:
a) 36 Block 50 are to be delivered?
b) the MLU will be completed?

That is going to be what in part will dictate the MRCA competition/induction. I smell the educated speculation from LM and Boeing folks coming to fruition - i.e. the MRCA deal is going to be expanded to ~200 with 126 going to one vendor and remaining ~80 going to a second vendor to speed up induction as well as add diversity.


Pakistan to buy only 18 F-16s

http://www.dawn.com/2008/04/23/top8.htm

Are they really paying for these? I thought they are getting these for free, I mean with all the money they are getting from Uncle for GUBO.

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Postby sum » 23 Apr 2008 17:55

[quote]The United States will, however, have the right to conduct frequent inspections and inventory checking.

“The media stories that new aircraft will not have the facility to carry a nuclear weapon do not make sense,â€

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Postby ranganathan » 23 Apr 2008 18:01

Looks like Unkil decided to screw munna royally by charging them for once. At 5.1 bil the F-16's are costlier than the MKI's. No wonder pakis reduced the number. They will try to make it up up by buying the qualitatively inferior but cheaper J-10. Over all good for IAF if they can decide and buy the MRCA soon (Rafale).

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Postby Avid » 23 Apr 2008 19:07

ranganathan wrote:Looks like Unkil decided to screw munna royally by charging them for once. At 5.1 bil the F-16's are costlier than the MKI's. No wonder pakis reduced the number. They will try to make it up up by buying the qualitatively inferior but cheaper J-10. Over all good for IAF if they can decide and buy the MRCA soon (Rafale).


Take a careful note of the cost breakdowns:

The cost of 36 F-16's is $3 billion and includes full equpped F-16s along with support equipment -
Associated support equipment, software development/integration, modification kits, capability to employ a wide variety of munitions, spares and repair parts, flight test instrumentation, publications and technical documentation, CONUS-personnel training and training equipment, U.S. Government and contractor technical and logistics personnel services, and other related requirements to ensure full program supportability.

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Short of funds, Pak to buy only 18 F-16s from US

Postby Avinandan » 24 Apr 2008 12:06

WASHINGTON- Due to intense financial constraints the new Pakistan government has decided to halve the number of F-16 fighter jets it had originally decided to buy from the US, according to diplomatic sources.

Full Report from Times Of India :
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/World/Pakistan/Short_of_funds_Pak_to_buy_only_18_F-16s_from_US/articleshow/2976183.cms

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Re: Short of funds, Pak to buy only 18 F-16s from US

Postby Avinandan » 24 Apr 2008 12:13

Avinandan wrote:WASHINGTON- Due to intense financial constraints the new Pakistan government has decided to halve the number of F-16 fighter jets it had originally decided to buy from the US, according to diplomatic sources.

Full Report from Times Of India :
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/World/Pakistan/Short_of_funds_Pak_to_buy_only_18_F-16s_from_US/articleshow/2976183.cms


I wonder if I should count this as Good news or Bad news. :roll:

Good news would be Pakistan is not getting enough new F-16 Block60 planes and the armaments would also get halved too.

The bad news would be that Pakistan has decided to save this money and invest in new chinese fighter J-10 or invest it judiciously in developing new Avionics or Radar tech for J-17. This also means that US wont be having that kind of grip on Pakistan, it has already weakened after Musharraf lost the election in Pakistan.

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Postby ranganathan » 24 Apr 2008 12:17

Pakis were never offered blk 60, its always been blk 52. I doubt PAkis wold go for J-10 if they could have string free F-16's but they can't. J-10 is no big threat from any perspective.

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Postby Avinandan » 24 Apr 2008 12:21

ranganathan wrote:Pakis were never offered blk 60, its always been blk 52.


Sorry my bad... :oops:

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Postby Igorr » 24 Apr 2008 14:40

As I predicted before, the Pak advanced american planes purchase will be limited, if any, after Russia has agreed for RD-33 selling to Pakis via China. This moving is a part of the deal, I think: Pakistanis agreed to not build up the most sofisticated for transborder strikes F-16 fighters fleet instead of garantee for filling their Air Defence with relative simple planes with limited potential for grow. The ears of Delhi's diplomacy I can recognize from the curtain :P
More the Americans are f@king in Islamabad, more flexible they will be towards Delhi in N-deal, inspection issue etc. Wise diplomacy I must to say...

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Postby sauravjha » 24 Apr 2008 14:46

for the pukis the hi-lo mix may ultimately turn out to be


1. J-10 + Thundaar

with the F-16 blk '8)' as the wild card entry

of course if our dear Shenyang buddies start proliferating their "indigenous flankers" this line up could change

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Postby Igorr » 24 Apr 2008 14:56

sauravjha wrote:of course if our dear Shenyang buddies start proliferating their "indigenous flankers" this line up could change

I dont think they will. It's too risky for them starting selling Russian trade mark abroad. WRT their problems vis a vis US over Taiwan and now TIbet tHey are too interested in following partnership with Russians and new more friendly development with Delhi.

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Postby Don » 26 Apr 2008 04:07

sauravjha wrote:for the pukis the hi-lo mix may ultimately turn out to be


1. J-10 + Thundaar

with the F-16 blk '8)' as the wild card entry

of course if our dear Shenyang buddies start proliferating their "indigenous flankers" this line up could change


Even the J-10 is still a question mark. It will still be the F-16 with the Thundaar all be it with less of the F-16's.

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Postby ramana » 30 Apr 2008 03:44

From Indian Express, 30 April 2008
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US arms sale to Pak crosses $4.5 bn, report hints India may be target
Express News ServicePosted online: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 at 0004 hrs Print Email
NEW DELHI, APRIL 29: Pakistan has procured weapons and military platforms worth over $ 4.5 billion from the US since the beginning of the war against terror in Afghanistan. The latest report presented before the US Congress lists details of arms deals between the two countries till March this year. It also points out that most weapons purchased are more suitable for a conventional war against India rather than counter-terrorsim efforts.


A report prepared by the US Congressional Research Service (CRS) says while bulk of purchases were made by Pakistan using its national funds, the country was also provided equipment worth $1.6 billion under the Foreign Military Financing (FMF) scheme that was meant primarily for counter-terrorism efforts.

However, analysts say that a look at the weapons purchased by Pakistan post-2001 under FMF clearly show that they are meant for a conventional role against India. The latest CRS report lists major FMF purchases like maritime patrol aircraft, surveillance radars and anti tank missiles that have no role in counter-terrorism operations.

Arms purchased by Pakistan under FMF include:

• Eight P-3C Orion maritime patrol aircraft ($474 million)

• 5,250 TOW anti-armor missiles ($186 million)

• 5,600 military radio sets ($163 million)

• Six AN/TPS-77 surveillance radars ($100 million, all delivered and in operation)

• Six C-130E transport aircraft (76 million, all delivered and in operation)

• 20 AH-1F Cobra attack helicopters (48 million, 12 delivered, 8 pending)

[b]Similarly, supplies bought with a “mix of Pakistani national funds and FMFâ€

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Postby Kartik » 01 May 2008 00:20

Saab scans AEW market for new Erieye buyers
By Craig Hoyle
Saab has identified 30 potential new customers for its Erieye airborne early warning and control system within the next 10 years, and is stepping up efforts to promote its new Saab 2000 configuration, which will make its first flight within weeks for the Pakistan air force.

"Every country that's interested in AEW is a possibility for us," says Saab Microwave Systems' Saab 2000 AEW&C project manager Joakim Andersson, who declines to name specific candidates. The company has also previously succeeded in selling Embraer EMB-145- and Saab 340-based Erieye systems to Brazil, Greece, Mexico, Sweden and Thailand, and "expects a hit rate of about 50%" from its new campaigns, says vice-president surveillance systems Lars Karlén.

Believed to be Pakistan's first of five Erieye systems, the Saab 2000-based surveillance aircraft is currently undergoing ground testing in Linköping, where Islamabad's second example is also now in teardown. This pre-modification refurbishment programme will deliver an aircraft "more or less as new", says Andersson.

Pakistan's aircraft has five on-board operator stations, versus three on modified EMB-145s and Sweden's two upgraded Saab 340s, a service ceiling of over 30,000ft (9,150m) and a mission endurance approaching 10h. The type also features enhanced engines, new generators, additional cooling for on-board mission equipment and a Saab HES-21 electronic warfare suite comprising laser, radar and missile approach warners and countermeasures dispensers.

The aircraft's fuselage has been strengthened to carry the Erieye radar, while its vertical tail has been extended to compensate for the payload, which provides 150e_SDgr coverage to each side of its conformal array. The Saab 2000's outer wing has also been strengthened to accommodate EW and signals intelligence sensors, and for the possible carriage of a towed radar decoy.

Saab says the use of new-generation radar transmit/receive modules with 60% higher output have increased the AEW range of the Erieye design, which can also now detect hovering helicopters and track small naval targets to a range of 350km (190nm).


The global fleet of Saab 2000s now totals 58 airframes. Around 20 of these are owned by the Swedish manufacturer's aircraft leasing unit, which says the type has a projected operating life of at least 75,000 flight hours. "We have sufficient aircraft for a lot of different customers," says Andersson, adding: "Given typical utilisation, they are due to operate for the next 35 to 40 years."

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Postby Brando » 01 May 2008 11:39

The result of our non-aligned nonsense is that all our neighbors got sweet deals in arms but we had to pay every penny to get to where we are today. The Chinese took greedily missile tech from the Soviets and later the Americans, while we had to reinvent the wheel so to speak under sanctions.

Half of Pakistan's budget is financed by America and they claim to be fighting the war on terrorism. They should be financing the Indian army, which is the real force fighting terrorism.

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Postby Singha » 08 May 2008 17:31

news ticker: Pak tests Hatf-8 GLCM with a 350km range

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Postby derkonig » 08 May 2008 18:04

Where did the pukes buy/beg this mijjile from? NoKo? empelol Hu?

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Postby Singha » 08 May 2008 18:35

shortened form of Hatf-7 "Badr" GLCM or maybe a cheaper less accurate version the PLA wanted for less long range work.

as with all things Paki the element of doubt exists until good photos emerge.

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Postby soutikghosh » 08 May 2008 22:43

Pakistan recently got delivered with 12nos of Turkish PANTER 155mm 52cal at it Naushera based artillery school.
So it got head start on India in artillery mordernisation.

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Postby sum » 09 May 2008 08:36

Dont see why the "head start" shouldnt extend further given that our govt seems to go into a coma when ever the word artillery is mentioned?? :roll:

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Postby uddu » 09 May 2008 08:45

soutikghosh wrote:Pakistan recently got delivered with 12nos of Turkish PANTER 155mm 52cal at it Naushera based artillery school.
So it got head start on India in artillery mordernisation.


Why is the secular Turks arming and abetting the Islamic fundoos. Why are they harming a secular democratic republic like India with such acts. What harm did India did to the Turkish nation. Seems Turkey saying "Bye bye Ataturk, be are Izlamic onlee".

Time to arm the Greeks to the tilt.

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Postby Lalmohan » 09 May 2008 15:32

uddu wrote:
soutikghosh wrote:Pakistan recently got delivered with 12nos of Turkish PANTER 155mm 52cal at it Naushera based artillery school.
So it got head start on India in artillery mordernisation.


Why is the secular Turks arming and abetting the Islamic fundoos. Why are they harming a secular democratic republic like India with such acts. What harm did India did to the Turkish nation. Seems Turkey saying "Bye bye Ataturk, be are Izlamic onlee".

Time to arm the Greeks to the tilt.


turks supplied weapons to pak before under CENTO (i.e. Unkil ka hukum) and is probably doing so now for same reasons. this is extending unkil's influence without having an unkil badge. and having military to military contacts is another way of engagement to ensure that the pakfauj does not stray too far into fundoo land for unkil's liking

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Postby ranganathan » 09 May 2008 15:45

Turks are secular in name only. They have always been pro islam and pro pakis. Its only the arabs that they hate. India thankfully supports Greece and Cyprus.

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Postby Lalmohan » 09 May 2008 16:22

ranganathan wrote:Turks are secular in name only. They have always been pro islam and pro pakis. Its only the arabs that they hate. India thankfully supports Greece and Cyprus.


the turkish ruling classes and the military are fiercely secular. just see the hullabaloo going on with opposition to wearing of scarves and islamist parties on at the moment

this is more to do with unkil's back passage diplomacy

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Postby jmaxwell » 09 May 2008 16:37

soutikghosh wrote:Pakistan recently got delivered with 12nos of Turkish PANTER 155mm 52cal at it Naushera based artillery school.
So it got head start on India in artillery mordernisation.

positive news for india. should trigger a state change in babujis from inaction to remunerative action :roll: . the deal might still happen this decade though!

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Postby tsarkar » 09 May 2008 17:03

Turkey made huge investments in Korean technology for Panter and Firtina and seeks RoI. It is not in production and one prototype was sent to Pakistan for trials.

http://www.ispr.gov.pk/Archive&Press/Se ... p-2007.htm

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Postby rkhanna » 09 May 2008 17:34

BTW. Pakistan test launched a 350km Air Launched Cruise Missle from a Mirage III jet. Its Called the Ra'ad.

Whether we like it or not it is an impressive development giving them a Strike Capability that we Still lack (no Brahmos or Klub ALCM operational or tested with us yet)..

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Pakistan has carried out a second successful test of a cruise missile capable of carrying nuclear weapons, its military said.

Hatf-VIII (or Raad, "thunder" in Arabic) was first tested last year.

It has a range of 350km (220 miles) and it has been developed exclusively for launch from the air.

On Wednesday, India tested a ballistic missile with a range of over 3000km (1,865 miles). The two neighbours routinely carry out missile tests.

Tension between Pakistan and India has decreased in recent years amid a series of bilateral overtures.

"It (Hatf-VIII) has enabled Pakistan to achieve a greater strategic stand-off capability on land and at sea," a statement from the Pakistan military said.

"The missile test is part of a continuing process of validating the design parameters of the weapon system."

Hatf-VIII was first tested in August last year. Experts say several tests are required before any missile can be deployed.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/7389289.stm

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Postby Nitesh » 09 May 2008 17:38

rkhanna wrote:BTW. Pakistan test launched a 350km Air Launched Cruise Missle from a Mirage III jet. Its Called the Ra'ad.

Whether we like it or not it is an impressive development giving them a Strike Capability that we Still lack (no Brahmos or Klub ALCM operational or tested with us yet)..




Sir pardon my ignorance but BrahMos has been cleared for induction for army, and Klub is SLCM not ALCM


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