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Postby Leo.Davidson » 27 Nov 2011 20:33

Prithwiraj wrote:http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/world_now/2011/11/pakistan-accuses-nato-of-cross-border-attack-that-kills-at-least-15-soldiers.html
Pakistan accuses NATO of cross-border attack that kills at least 20 soldiers

This is bad for India. everything they (NATO or US) screwup, they have to reward the porkis.

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Postby VinayG » 27 Nov 2011 23:46

NATO copters kill 24 Pakistani soldiers
:lol: :lol: :lol: :D :D lungi dance

24 Pakistan Army soldiers were killed and 13 injured in a dead-of-the-night attack by North Atlantic Treaty Organisation (NATO) helicopters on border posts in the Mohmand tribal agency.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/internatio ... 662246.ece

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Postby saptarishi » 28 Nov 2011 00:39

VinayG wrote: NATO copters kill 24 Pakistani soldiers
:lol: :lol: :lol: :D :D lungi dance

24 Pakistan Army soldiers were killed and 13 injured in a dead-of-the-night attack by North Atlantic Treaty Organisation (NATO) helicopters on border posts in the Mohmand tribal agency.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/internatio ... 662246.ece


now nato will gift more free weapons ....expect porkis to vent their anger now.cause if porkis want they can cut the nato supplies which will make afganistan inaccessible.headlines should be:

pakistan sacrifices 24 soldiers to gain more importance at world stage

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Postby VinayG » 28 Nov 2011 00:49

saptarishi wrote:
VinayG wrote: NATO copters kill 24 Pakistani soldiers
:lol: :lol: :lol: :D :D lungi dance

24 Pakistan Army soldiers were killed and 13 injured in a dead-of-the-night attack by North Atlantic Treaty Organisation (NATO) helicopters on border posts in the Mohmand tribal agency.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/internatio ... 662246.ece


now nato will gift more free weapons ....expect porkis to vent their anger now.cause if porkis want they can cut the nato supplies which will make afganistan inaccessible.headlines should be:

pakistan sacrifices 24 soldiers to gain more importance at world stage


1)thats not gonna happen the supplies might get attacked but complete blockade will not happen

2) either those pigs get killed or not they will get the weapons from khan any way so it dosent make any difference

at world stage oooh paaalease thats not sacrifice it paying with their lives for the sins they committed

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Postby saptarishi » 28 Nov 2011 00:57

seriously pakistan is yet to be punished heavily 24 is nothing


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Postby anishns » 28 Nov 2011 06:11

^^^ Good target practice for K100? :mrgreen:

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Postby chackojoseph » 28 Nov 2011 08:49

It seems that Afghan soldiers called for fire after "Pakistan Army along with militants fired at them." Afghans have always said that Pakistani Army and militants operate together.

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Postby Singha » 28 Nov 2011 09:12

the paki aew does not seem to have any satcom blister on the roof. radar also looks small...smaller than the ereyie aperture.
our phalcon radar looks around 3X bigger.

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Postby saptarishi » 28 Nov 2011 18:23

anishns wrote:^^^ Good target practice for K100? :mrgreen:


k100/ks-172 is dead.russians held a competition for developing an ultra long range missile between novator and tactical missiles corporation jsc,in which the design of tactical missiles corporation came on top and its export version is now called rvv-bd.it will have a range of 200km. russia is signatory to MTCR so the range is limited well below 300km range under the mtcr guidelines. an rvv-bd can kill such a bird easily

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Postby saptarishi » 28 Nov 2011 18:25

chackojoseph wrote:It seems that Afghan soldiers called for fire after "Pakistan Army along with militants fired at them." Afghans have always said that Pakistani Army and militants operate together.

chacko sir it was a punishment for pakistans double game... :cry:

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Postby SSridhar » 28 Nov 2011 19:06

saptarishi wrote:seriously pakistan is yet to be punished heavily 24 is nothing

The only mortal punishment can come from India, nobody else.

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Postby Aditya_V » 28 Nov 2011 19:07

Is that a modified C-130 aircraft?? How did the Americans allow Chinese to play again with their aircraft.

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Postby chackojoseph » 28 Nov 2011 19:17

Its a Y-9 or Y-8 with nose modified.

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Postby PratikDas » 28 Nov 2011 19:20

Google says the ZDK-03 is based on the Y-8, which "borrows" from the Antonov An-12. 1960's Antonov vintage which has been progressively tweaked by the Chinese.

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Postby Don » 28 Nov 2011 20:16

chackojoseph wrote:Its a Y-9 or Y-8 with nose modified.

Its the Y-9

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Postby vishal » 29 Nov 2011 16:21

Why do the Paki F-16s have 'Griffins' painted right above the flag?
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/11 ... ce-drones/

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Postby sum » 29 Nov 2011 16:29

^^ No.9 squadron, "Griffins" composed of F-16 A/B models.

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Postby Shrinivasan » 30 Nov 2011 00:22

sum wrote:^^ No.9 squadron, "Griffins" composed of F-16 A/B models.
Why will the "Purest of the Pure" Pakees have a Kafir name of "Griffins" on their belowed solahs!!!
Please forget for a moment that Pakees live of Kafir Baksheesh which includes the Solah

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Postby member_20645 » 30 Nov 2011 03:29

Could the US/NATO strike be a 'quid pro quo' for the Haqqani hit on the US Embassy in Kabul? Intriguing argument- amongst others made here by Tariq Ali - a well known writer of ? origin

http://battleland.blogs.time.com/2011/1 ... -pakistan/

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So why do it? Was it intended as a provocation? Is Obama seriously thinking of unleashing a civil war in an already battered country? Some commentators in Islamabad are arguing this but it's unlikely that Nato troops will occupy Pakistan. Such an irrational turn would be difficult to justify in terms of any imperial interests. Perhaps it was simply a tit-for-tat to punish the Pakistani military for dispatching the Haqqani network to bomb the US embassy and Nato HQ in Kabul's ‘Green Zone' a few months back.

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Postby aditya.agd » 30 Nov 2011 05:12

India should also do something similar to treat them for 26/11 success.

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Postby P Chitkara » 30 Nov 2011 15:23

The reaction from the US sounds conciliatory but stops short of being conciliatory enough. It is almost like yes, they deserved it :evil:

After the last years blockade, the US would definitely have established alternate lines for logistics. Routing through central Asia may be more expensive but I guess the system is in place.

Not sure whether bakhsheesh will follow the jhapad this time round.

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Postby chackojoseph » 30 Nov 2011 19:07

P Chitkara wrote:The reaction from the US sounds conciliatory but stops short of being conciliatory enough. It is almost like yes, they deserved it :evil:

After the last years blockade, the US would definitely have established alternate lines for logistics. Routing through central Asia may be more expensive but I guess the system is in place.

Not sure whether bakhsheesh will follow the jhapad this time round.


Just 30% of the supplies (Non destructive supplies, destructive come from air, rest from Russia) come from Pakistan. They have been progressively taking off the pressure. However, they don't want the NDS to come from Russia alone because of the BMD row etc. Also, Russians will up their demand once Pakis close down. It will be interesting to see how US manages this.

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Postby nits » 30 Nov 2011 19:57

Slightly going overboard with imagination...

US should work with india and get POK freed up; set transit point from freed POK to Afganistan and get moving :mrgreen:

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Postby manum » 30 Nov 2011 20:14

how POK will be connected to afghanistan...I think you better imagine Balochistan to be freed, it'll help entire planet earth...

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Postby nits » 30 Nov 2011 21:41

Image

was referring to this map; here it shows POK and Afgan connected

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Postby member_20069 » 30 Nov 2011 21:56

This would result in killing 2 birds with one stone. We get back illegally occupied Kashmir by Porkis and U.S gets land route to Afghanistan.

Whether Baluchistan is freed or we get back POK, Porkistan disintegration is a done deal:)

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Postby Lalmohan » 30 Nov 2011 21:57

IIRC the route over the wakhan coridoor is not particularly conducive to heavy vehicular traffic

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Postby manum » 30 Nov 2011 22:09

@ nits

I am sorry, you are correct, POK does touch Afghanistan to be effective...I never noticed slight elongation in satellite images...Karakoram highway passes from the same region, connecting china to this territory...

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Postby chackojoseph » 30 Nov 2011 22:16

Other than Paki side of Punjab and Sindh, rest of the co called country looks dysfunctional. Baloch, Pashtuns, Kashmiris, Waziris.. everyone wants out. Nice time to do some slices in order to create peace in the region.

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Postby Singha » 30 Nov 2011 22:22

the wakhan corridor connects afghanistan to xinjiang. there is a road of sorts in some parts, but 100km of gap between road end and xinjiang border (wakhjir pass) per wiki. this route has been closed officially for 100 yrs.

as a route for trade to central asia, POK and wakhan corridor are not great, infact none of the land routes even via proper pakistan are that great...one needs either large rivers or railways to carry heavy trade volume cheaply or else khan std highways. none are present or likely to be present anytime soon.

we get our oil cheaper and easier from the gulf. and what can the CAR consume from us , with a total pop == NCR/

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Postby jai » 01 Dec 2011 01:26

Once you get POK, you can set up an air bridge for starters while the road connectivity comes up. Even the khans would be happy to help build the roads if we let them use it . Anything to get POK actually should be the motto - including giving khan a base in pok - will be a nice thorn in the puki and dragons side !!

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Postby Lalmohan » 01 Dec 2011 02:53

the thing is gulf oil will recede and CAR oil will become more attractive, plus the minerals
besides, i'm looking forward to the day when the gulf sheikhs run out of the sticky black stuff...

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Postby Prasad » 01 Dec 2011 03:25

Maybe then they'll start selling their lamborghinis on the second hand market? :mrgreen:

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Postby Ramin » 01 Dec 2011 05:05

49% of supplies go via Torkham & Chaman;

i read that Russia is also contemplating a closure of NATO supply-line from their side, though it isnt confirmed. They certainly have NATO by the balls though.

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Postby NRao » 01 Dec 2011 05:13

Ramin wrote:i read that Russia is also contemplating a closure of NATO supply-line from their side, though it isnt confirmed. They certainly have NATO by the balls though.


Hehehehe. That would be nice. Should force some issues to fragment PakiLand.

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Postby anishns » 01 Dec 2011 07:30

Reading about these wet dreams, a thought comes to my mind "Hanooz Dilli dur ast!"

The govt. of the day is hell bent on making peace and I would not be surprised if they settle for the LoC as the "de facto" border between us and the Pakis. The Pakjabis can probably let go of Balochistan and/or FATA but, POK is their "Jaguar vein!"

When was the last time you heard the Indian govt. even make a statement demanding Pakis to vacate POK? The only person who would talk about it was Bal Thakeray but, then nobody listens to him beyond the suburb of Thane anyway :-?

jai wrote:Once you get POK, you can set up an air bridge for starters while the road connectivity comes up. Even the khans would be happy to help build the roads if we let them use it . Anything to get POK actually should be the motto - including giving khan a base in pok - will be a nice thorn in the puki and dragons side !!

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Postby chackojoseph » 01 Dec 2011 17:14

I heard that Pakis are now admitting first fire and want a formal apology. (isn't it already offered?) Pakis regularly fire across the border in Afghanistan and US has been killing them for some time.

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Postby rohitvats » 01 Dec 2011 18:03

There is a road planned in North-West to South-East direction which will connect Tajikistan and Chitral in Pakistan. This will pass through Wakhan corridor.

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Postby saptarishi » 01 Dec 2011 18:22

chackojoseph wrote:I heard that Pakis are now admitting first fire and want a formal apology. (isn't it already offered?) Pakis regularly fire across the border in Afghanistan and US has been killing them for some time.

usual pakistani habbit,fire first the get killed


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