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Postby Rupak » 06 Jun 2008 02:40

If there is more interest, here is a list of civil airports in India:


List of Aerodromes controlled by Airport Authority of India
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S.No Name State/U.T Location Elevation
Lat. Long. in Metres
(N) (E) of ARP
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1. Agartala Tripura 235224 911432 14

2. Ahmedabad Gujarat 230414 723737 55

3. Akola Maharash 204152 770332 305

4. Amritsar Punjab 314217 744811 229

5. Aurangabad Mahara- 195149 752354 581
shtra

6. Balurghat W.Bengal 251547 884754 24

7. Barapani Meghalaya 2538 9154 899
(Shillong)

8. Behala West Bengal 223022 881748 3

9. Belgaum Karnataka 155127 743707 758.42

10. Bhavnagar Gujarat 214513 721128 5.4

11. Bhopal Madhya 231711 772071 523
Pradesh

12. Bhubaneshwar Orissa 201445 854915 44.5

13. Bhuj Gujarat 231713 694014 78

14. Bilaspur Madhya 2200 8204 274
Pradesh

15. Bombay Maharashtra 190527 725205 8
(Santacruz)

16. Bombay Maharashtra 190550 725005 3
(Juhu)

17. Calcutta West Bengal 223911 882657 5
(Dum Dum)

18. Chakulia Bihar 222736 864237 129

19. Coimbatore Tamil Nadu 110144 770235 395.5

20. Cooch Behar West Bengal 261949 892815 41.5

21. Cuddapah Andhra 1431 7847 131
Pradesh

22. Deesa Gujarat 241603 721219 145
(Palampur)

23. Delhi/Palam Delhi 283407 770648 227
IGI Airport

24. Delhi Delhi 283504 771229 212
Safdarjung

25. Dehradun U.P. 3012 7812 518
(Jolly Grant)

26. Donakonda Andhra 1550 7930 142.5
Pradesh

27. Gauhati Assam 260616 913519 48
(Guwahati)

28. Gaya Bihar 244451 845641 110


29. Hassan Karnataka 1305 7607 957

* Dimapur Nagaland 2553 9346 471ft.

30. Hadapser Maharashtra 1829 7356 590
(Pune)

31. Hyderabad Andhra 172700 782750 531
Pradesh

32. Indore Madhya 224322 754823 561
Pradesh

33. Jabalpur Madhya 231058 800343 494
Pradesh

34. Jaipur Rajasthan 264926 754812 385

35. Jhansi U.P. 2529 7834 244

36. Jharsuguda Orissa 215451 840303 228

37. Jogbani Bihar 2618 8718 59
(Forbesgani)

38. Junagadh Gujrat 211852 701610 49.5
(Keshod)

39. Kailashahar Tripura 241828 920034 27

40. Kamalpur Tripura 240754 914851 39

41. Kandla Gujrat 230642 700605 29

42. Kanpur U.P. 262625 802153 125

43. Karipur Kerala 110800 755710 100
(Calicut)

44. Khandwa M.P. 215125 761959 329

45. Khajuraho M.P. 244910 795512 217

46. Khowai Tripura 240342 913627 29

47. Kolhapur Maharashtra 163955 741729 607

48. Kota Rajasthan 250935 755056 273

49. Kulu Himachal 315228 770924 1084
Pradesh

50. Lalitpur U.P. 244258 782503 367

51. Lucknow U.P. 264542 805307 122

52. Ludhiana Punjab 305110 755728 254

53. Madras Tamilnadu 125937 801037 10.5

54. Madural Tamilnadu 095001 780522 136

55. Malda West Bengal 250440 880750 24

56. Mangalore Karnatka 125938 745327 102
(Bajpe)

57. Dibrugarh Assam 272850 850118 110
(Mohanbari)

58. Muzaffarpur Bihar 260701 851854 52

59. Mysore Karnatka 121345 763930 716

60. Nadirgul Andhra 171614 783241 552

61. Nagpur Maharashtra 210528 790259 308

61.a Neyveli Pondichery 113643 793143 180

62. North Assam 271726 940549 100
Lakhimpur
(Lilabari)

63. Panagarh West Bengal 232824 872547 73

64. Panna Madhya 243915 801546 424
Pradesh

65. Pantnagar U.P. 290156 792827 233

66. Pasighat Arunachal 2806 9523 157
Pradesh

67. Patna Bihar 253534 850533 51

68. Porbandar Gujrat 213859 693932 5

a) Ramagundam Andhra 1846 7924 670
Pradesh feet

b) Pondicherry U.T. 1158 7949 131
feet

69. Raipur Madhya 211050 814425 313.5
Pradesh

70. Rajasmundry Andhra 170630 814916 44.5
Pradesh

71. Rajkot Gujrat 221832 704647 134

72. Ranchi Bihar 231849 851924 646

73. Raxual Bihar 2658 8450 79

74. Rupsi Assam 260824 895436 40

75. Satna Madhya 243345 805116 319
Pradesh

76. Shella Assam 251030 913830 24

77. Shimla H.P. 310440 770422 1524
(Jabbarhatti)

78. Sholapur Maharashtra 173735 755606 481

79. Silchar Assam 245443 925845 102
(Kumbhigram)

80.Tanjore Tamilnadu 104312 790610 76
(Thanjavur)

81. Tirupati Tamilnadu 133754 793236 103

82.Tiruchirapalli Tamil Nadu 104551 784258 85

83. Trivandrum Kerala 082840 765515 4

84. Imphal Manipur 244549 935411 773
(Tulihal)

85. (Turial) Maizoram 2344 9248 305
Aizwal

86. Udaipur Rajasthan 243702 735343 509

87. Vadodara Gujarat 221946 731310 37

88. Varansi U.P. 252703 825138 80

a)Tuticorin Tamil Nadu 0843 7802 90 ft.

89. Vellore Tamil Nadu 125424 790406 233

90. Vijaywada Andhra 163135 804754 21
Pardesh

91.Visakhaptnam Andhra 174316 831329 3
Pradesh

92. Warrangal Andhra 175452 793608 285
Pradesh


LIST OF PRIVATELY OWNED LICENSED AERODROMES
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1. Ammasandra Karnataka 10324 7645 833

2. Banasthall Rajasthan 2624 7551 308
Vidyapith

3. Bakshiwalla Punjab 3020 7627 267

4. Bangalore Karnataka 125703 773956 888

5. Bhilai Madhya 2118 8123 297
Pradesh

6. Birlagram Madhya 2327 7525 470
(Nagada) Pradesh

7. Bograjeng Assam 2633 9338 67

8.Borengajull Assam 2643 9151 91.5

9. Burhar Madhya 2314 8131 457
Pradesh

10. Burnpur West Bengal 2339 8658 94

11. Dablan Punjab 3015 7625 830

12. Doomur Assam 2707 9454 67
Dullang

13. Jamshedpur Bihar 2249 8610 142

14. Jayaypur Orissa 1916 8325 239

15. Jeypore Orissa 1852 8233 594







16. Jullundur Punjab 3117 7535 234

17. Kalyanpur U.P. 2633 8014 131
(Kanpur)

a) Ondal W.B. 2336 8713 270
Min.of Steel & Mines

b) Dhule Maharashtra 205533 744430 700 ft.

c) Gurgaon Haryana 2830 7703 750 ft.

d) " " 2827 7704 755 ft.

18. Kolapani Assam 2649 9308 91

19. Bokaro Bihar 233826 860949 225
(Marahari)

20. Mithapur Gujarat 2225 6902 4
(Dwarka)

21. Nanaksar Punjab 3036 7511 232
(Samah Bhari)

22. Panga W.Bengal 2628 8838 84
(Jalpaiguri)

23. Pannery Assam 2645 9155 46

24. Rajhara M.P. 2032 8105 361

25. Rourkela Orrisa 221540 844835 201

26.Sardar Nagar U.P. 2642 8325 79
(Gorakhpur)

27. Shahbad Karnataka 1706 7700 396

28. Sindri Bihar 233930 862945 180





STATE GOVT. ACRODROMES NORMALLY MAINTAINED IN SERCICEABLE
CONDITION
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1. Akbarpur U.P. 2627 8234 101

2. Along Arunachal 2810 9449 214
Pradesh

3. Alwar Rajasthan 2730 7630 266

4. Ambikapur M.P. 2259 8312 588

5. Behrampur W.Bengal 2405 8815 15

6. Bhagalpur Bihar 2515 8701 46

7. Bharatpur Rajasthan 2712 7733 177

8. Bhawi Rajasthan 2613 7340 270

9. Bhiwani Haryana 2851 7611 213

10. Bhowrah Bihar 2340 8623 140

11. Bider Karnataka 1754 7730 634

a) Amrawati Maharashtra 2043 7749 342/345

b)Sri Sathya Dist Anantpur 1409 7748 475
Sai airport A.P.
Puttapathi

12. Birpur Bihar 2632 8701 75

13. Bundi Rajasthan 2524 7538 311

14. Chaibasa Bihar 2231 8551 244

15.Chandrapur Maharashtra 1958 7912 244

16.Dapo Rijio Arunachal 2800 9411 244
Pradesh

17. Dhanbad Bihar 2350 8626 233

18. Daltonganj Bihar 2400 8405 243

19. Dholapur Rajasthan 2643 7756 177

As per DM/DC letter the airstrip is abondoned

20. Faizabd U.P. 2645 8245 100

21. Faridkot Punjab 3041 7444 203

22. Fursatganj U.P. 2615 8122 107
(Rai Bareilly)
23. Giridih Bihar 2413 8618 305

24. Gadra Road Rajasthan 2542 7033 142.5

25. Ghazipur U.P. 2527 8334 46

26. Gondia Masharashtra 2131 4820 315

27. Gopalpur Orissa 1915 8452 30

28. Guna M.P. 2439 7721 495

29. Hirakud Orissa 2135 8400 202

a) Dhulia Maharashtra 205530 744430 900 to 950

30. Hissar Haryana 291048 754530 214

31. Isarda Rajasthan 2609 7603 253

32. Jagdalpur M.P. 1904 8202 555

33. Jakkur Karnataka 1305 7736 922

34. Jaith Maharashtra 1704 7512 673

35. Jalgaon Maharashtra 2058 7540 259

36. Jhalawar Rajasthan 2436 7610 251

37. Jhabua M.P. 224730 743232 335

38. Jhunjhunu Rajasthan 2807 7523 338

39. Karad Maharashtra 1717 7409 576

40. Karnal Haryana 2943 7702 246

41. Kawalpur Maharashtra 1655 7437 580

42. Khavada Gujarat 2351 6946 -

43. Laligarh Rajasthan 2952 7359 182

44. Malpura Rajasthan 2618 7523 125

45. Mathania Rajasthan 2626 7300 251

46. Merta Road Rajasthan 2633 7355 323

47. Muirpur U.P. 2408 8305 406

48. Nebha Punjab 3026 7613 252

49. Nagarjuna Andhra 1632 7919 201
Sagar Pradesh

50. Nagaur Rajasthan 2711 7343 252

51. Nanded Maharashtra 1911 7719 381

52. Nowgong M.P. 2503 7925 228.5

53. Narnaul Haryana 2805 7610 272

54. Osmanabad Maharashtra 1815 7605 -

55. Patiala Punjab 3019 7627 250

56. Phaltan Maharashtra 1759 7425 567.5

57. Pinjore Haryana 3053 7652 500

58. Prithiganj U.P. 2552 8201 94

59. Raichur Karnataka 1616 7722 375

60. Ratangiri Maharashtra 170040 731944 92

61. Ratalam M.P. 2320 7500 493

62. Safiabad Bihar 2520 8630 47

63. Sarangarh M.P. 2135 3806 229

64. Shahpur Rajasthan 2536 7453 374

65. Sidhi M.P. 2423 8153 333

66. Sirohi Rajasthan 2453 7253 305

67. Sawai Rajasthan 2602 7622 266
Madhopur

68. Sitamaw M.P. 2401 7520 480.5
(Mandasore)

69. Sultanpur U.P. 2615 8202 91
(Amhat)

70. Surat Gujarat 2105 7245 5
(Dumus)

71. Tilda M.P. 2123 8149 274

72. Utkala Orissa 200064 831058 229

73. Zero Arunachal 275303 934556 5145






STATE GOVT. AERODROMES NOT NECESSARILY MAINTAINED IN A SERVICE-
ABLE CONDITION.

1. Abu Road Rajasthan 2447 7249 266.5

2. Amroli Gujarat 2137 7113 129.5

3. Arrah Bihar 2434 8439 53.5

4. Babai Rajasthan 2753 7544 374

5. Banswara Rajasthan 233530 7420 213.4

6. Baripada Orissa 2157 8649 76

7. Bettiah Bihar 2647 8432 72.5

8. Begusarai Bihar 2525 8605 41

9. Betul(Amla) Madhya 2156 7808 594
Pradesh

10. Bhabu Bihar 2503 8337 81

11. Bihar Bihar 2515 7530 58
Sharif

12. Buxar Bihar 2533 8358 63

13. Chapra Bihar 2547 8446 53.5

14. Dehri Madhya 2455 8408 107
(Sagar) Pradesh

15. Deoghar Bihar 2427 8647 228.5

16. Dhana Madhya 2345 7853 192
(Sagar) Pradesh

17. Dumka Bihar 2424 8705 157

18. Dwara Assam 2510 9130 15

19. Falna Rajasthan 2514 7314 320

20. Ginigera Karnataka 1522 7617 457

21. Hazaribagh Bihar 2402 8523 570

22. Jawai Rajasthan 2506 7309 290.5
(Sumerpur)

23. Jahanabad Bihar 2513 8500 69.5


24. Jhingura U.P. 2508 8239 91

25. Karad Maharashtra 1717 7409 576

26. Kanaha Madhya 2213 8044 861
Pradesh

27. Kathihar Bihar 2531 8734 30.5

28. Khargone Madhya 2149 7534 267.5
Pradesh

29. Kishanganj Bihar 2605 8756 46

30. Madhubani Bihar 2620 8604 53.5


31. Mehsana Gujarat 2336 7226 85

32. Monghyr Gujarat 2521 8629 86.5

33. Morvi Gujarat 2245 7050 53

34. Mothihari Bihar 2637 8434 66

35. Muzzaffarpur Bihar 2607 8524 51.5
(Race Course)

36. Muzaffarpur Bihar 2607 8524 54
(Sikandarpur)

37. Nawapara Orissa 2052 8232 323

38. Pachmerti Madhya 2230 7825 1085
Pradesh

39. Purnea Bihar 2549 8723 39.6

40. Quilon Kerala 0854 7636 9.1

41. Radhanpur Gujarat 2354 7136 39

42. Rakhikot Madhya 2209 7829 762
Pradesh

43. Saharsa Bihar 2553 8635 40

a). Tuticorin Tamilnadu 0843 7802 90 ft.

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Postby Rahul M » 06 Jun 2008 02:46

is behala aerodrome maintained in a seviceable condition ?? I doubt it.

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Postby Rupak » 06 Jun 2008 08:10

Rahul M wrote:is behala aerodrome maintained in a seviceable condition ?? I doubt it.


You're probably right. There hasn't been any flying there since the mid-1980s. What a shame! But it can probably be revived very quickly compared to the likes of Salua or Chakulia.

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Postby Venkarl » 06 Jun 2008 12:40

Venkarl wrote:Please excuse my wild thought. what about having an underground air force base, more sophisticated than zeljava air base ?? I guess US,Russia and China already have such under ground air force bases.

I know...its like pulling a hill with thread(any telugus??)... :lol:

But on a serious note, IAF should have such a secret, fortified, underground air force base in 20 years down the line.


come on guyzz..I am expecting some Guru's response.....I feel that my posts on BRF are being ignored deliberately on many threads...are my posts that irrelevant?? people on BRF respond some paki troll post... and none to my posts?? are my posts that degraded :cry: please let me know if my posts doesn't add any value to prestigious BRF..I'll continue being a lurker

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Postby Singha » 06 Jun 2008 13:12

not a guru , but which airbases are adjacent to rocky hills that can be
excavated to make impregnable natural shelters ?

I havent been around much but to me Leh and Thoise come to mind - spots
that will attract PRC/Paki SRBM strikes in any conflict.
so thats one area to look into - no more a/c parked in open but snug inside
artificial caves. easier (warm & dry) to work on them inside too.

another line of work is finding a ultra-secure place for our C3I, phalcons,
AF1, Midas type birds. Nagpur is not going to be it. shared civ airports
none of them fit bill.

imo someplaces in deccan and orissa (charbatia?) way off the public eye
need to either get cave hangers or underground 30m deep hangers
for platinum value assets.

a single $1 Babur GLCM leaking through can lay waste a $500mil asset
in blink of an eye. Phalcons are easy to recognize and local abduls
below flight path can id it from miles off and cue the shooters that
phalcon is on ground.

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Postby Himanshu » 06 Jun 2008 15:22

Boy.. we have a lot of airports for the size of this country.. :shock:

Thanks a ton Rupak..

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Postby soutikghosh » 06 Jun 2008 15:24

Proper good quality photo of Indian PHALCON

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Ilyushin ... 1360837/L/

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Postby PaulJI » 06 Jun 2008 16:15

Himanshu wrote:Boy.. we have a lot of airports for the size of this country.. :shock: ..


Sorry, but no. That's a rather small number for both the size of the country & its population, about 1 per 12000 square kilometres, or one per 4 million people. Compare with the UK, for example. There are over 30 international airports in the UK, which has less than 8% of the land area of India. That's an international airport, with regular scheduled services, for every 8000 square km or 2 million people. In addition to that, there are local airports with regular internal services, & private airstrips. Altogether, there are 142 licensed aerodromes, or over half the number on that list - one per 1700 square kilometres or 400 thousand people.

Also, the list of Indian aerodromes above includes a lot of minor airstrips, some of which are described as "normally maintained in serviceable condition", some as "not necessarily maintained in a serviceable condition". All UK licensed aerodromes are, by definition, permanently maintained in a serviceable condition.

There are also hundreds of unlicensed but legally usable (with restrictions) small airstrips. This website (interesting, but coverage is far from complete - best for English-speaking countries, & particularly the USA) lists some -
http://www.aircraft-charter-world.com/a ... ope/uk.htm

That density is noy unusual. For example, see this list of over 100 Italian aerodromes -
http://www.aircraft-charter-world.com/a ... /italy.htm

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Postby Juggi G » 06 Jun 2008 18:07

Israel Outsources $100-mn Composites for UAVs to India
IndianExpress
[quote]Israel Outsources $100-mn Composites for UAVs to India
Manu Pubby

Posted online: Friday, June 06, 2008 at 2301 hrs

New Delhi, June 5: In its first major defence export to the country, India has inked a $100-million deal to sell composite materials to Israel for its future generation of mini Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (UAVs).

Under the recently signed contract, Indian aviation giant Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) will export lightweight composite materials, manufactured from carbon fibers, to Israel. While the composites are primarily intended for a new Israeli mini UAV project, they will also be used for space applications, Government sources said.

“Israel has outsourced its composite requirements for UAVs to India. The materials will be used for a mini UAV that will fly at an altitude of 10,000 feet,â€

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Postby Igorr » 06 Jun 2008 18:44

Al-55 flytesting is planned for June-July this year. They neeed as 50 flyings overall. http://vpk.name/news/17460_poletyi_miga ... iyune.html

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Postby ranganathan » 06 Jun 2008 18:47

What does 50 flying mean? I am guessing it is being tested on some aircraft and will be certified after 50 flights?

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The Il-76 is out of its box

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Postby ranganathan » 06 Jun 2008 20:39

bob_marley wrote:Does anybody recognize this?? :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

http://www.airliners.net/photo/India--- ... 1360837/L/

:twisted: :twisted:


It was posted a couple of hours ago .

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Postby ramana » 06 Jun 2008 20:59

G. Juggi, The Bhopal disaster delayed this event by 30 years. Let me explain. Things were underway for Union Carbide to shift some of their resin formulation units to India when the disaster struck and UC became verboten. The main driver was composites parts mfg is hand labor intensive and India with its lower costs would be an attractive location. Now there is no more Union Carbide and only victims in Bhopal.

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Postby sanjaychoudhry » 07 Jun 2008 16:20

US delays supply of special jets to India
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This story, if true, shows how big a mistake it would be to buy fighter planes from the US. Unkil will make denial of spare parts and checks on the jet's deployment a powerful way to armtwist India over its foriegn and domestic policies. The cost attached to these planes is too high -- you have to surrender your sovereignity and Unkil gets one more pressure point on you that really hurts. It is better to keep as far as away from American products as possible and go for partners such as France which are quite harmless comparatively.

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Re: Indian Military Aviation

Postby Vick » 10 Jun 2008 06:07

From DN
June 9, 2008
UAVs To Fill India’s AWACS Needs

By VIVEK RAGHUVANSHI NEW DELHI — Until India finishes developing its planned AWACS aircraft, the military will depend on other surveillance systems, especially UAVs. The Defence Ministry has cleared the purchase of more than 300 UAVs of various types, including fixed-wing, rotary-wing, and micro UAVs for combat and urban counter-terrorism.

The Army is looking to furnish its combat units with high-altitude, long-endurance UAVs, which will fly with manned aircraft and other UAVs. It is also looking to buy about 200 micro UAVs in the next three to five years for reconnaissance and surveillance over cities, rural areas and mountains day and night. The first micro UAVs could enter service in early 2010.

Candidates include Israeli Elbit Systems’ hand-launched Skylark and BAE Systems’ autonomous Herti, which can fly for more than 24 hours at an altitude of up to 20,000 feet, an Indian Air Force official said.

The Navy plans to buy about 12 rotary-wing UAVs; the purchase of an undisclosed number of armed UAVs has also been cleared by the ministry, ministry sources said.

India’s defense research agency, the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO), is planning to develop medium-altitude, long-endurance and micro UAVs at home. The DRDO has asked several companies, including the Tata Group, L&T and Godrej & Boyce, about manufacturing the medium-altitude UAV.

India owns about 150 UAVs, including the Israeli Searchers-I and II and Herons, which are being upgraded to Heron IIs by Israel Aerospace Industries. The Searchers are to be upgraded to Mk IIIs with longer ranges and endurance.

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Postby Venkarl » 10 Jun 2008 13:55

Singha wrote:not a guru , but which airbases are adjacent to rocky hills that can be
excavated to make impregnable natural shelters ?


Singhaji, before we zero in on the locations for an undetectable air force base, we will first have to think about following issues

1) Does IAF requires an airbase which cannot be detected by any kind of spy satellite?
2) Lets say it needs a secret AFB, what kind of aircrafts should/would be stationed??
3) Should that AFB station only aircrafts or protect some strategical and national site of importance? Dual role??
4) Say IAF has identified a site for its secret AFB, can we make it look natural to spy satellite as per that site's geographical characteristics? in other words, camouflage the entire base??
5)Zeljava can withstand 20Kt nuclear attack, so should this AFB be able to withstand 100Kt to 1000Kt attack. Sounds like a deep nuclear bunker.
6) It took 8 years to realize Zeljava for JNA, so a very long term effort and commitment should be put in. Is India ready for it?
7) Zeljava costed 6 billion USD, Will Indian leadership ever think of investing the twice the cost of zeljava for more sophisticated invisible AFB??
8) Considering the cost and time, atleast 5 years of secret flawless planning should be done, i.e, no ifs and buts on the 1st day of the 6th year.
9) Construction would take atleast 5 to 6 years?? the total time investment would be 11 to 15 years. If Indian leadership starts thinking on January 1st of 2010, this proposed secret AFB would be ready by 2025. By 2025, I think India and China would get caught in kind of Cold War with US and Europe looking at us enviously. Therefore, I think this AFB would not only be useful in offensive operations but also in defending strategical places with in the borders.


regarding local abduls?? do you think any one of the local abduls got hold of any info from Rattehalli RMP?? this AFB would be safeguarded with 10 times more stringent parameters than that of RMP but should not attract any eyes, be it land based or air based or space based. even if it attracts, should be deceived. There should be a collective input and effort from foreign/domestic/military intelligence, political leaders, civil servants, scientists, contractors, geologists etc. It should be like "Right hand doesn't know what left hand does". Integrity should exist from the day the thinking starts.

After we do every possible thinking, then we might get some idea as to what places are best suited for this base. Frankly speaking, top brass should decide on that and not be discussed on a public forum like this. :wink:

and $1 Baburs would be intercepted before it crosses thar deserts....obviously we would have complex missile defense systems by 2020.

All this might sound like super duper 007 villain type haven, but in 2030 we will realize that this super duper facility should have been envisioned in early 2000s.

My 2 cents. :)
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Re: Indian Military Aviation

Postby Venkarl » 10 Jun 2008 13:56



I thought this process has already started?? :shock:

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Re: Indian Military Aviation

Postby ramana » 10 Jun 2008 22:40

FWIW from Defence News

New Indian Cell to Coordinate Military Space

New Indian Cell to Coordinate Military Space
By vivek raghuvanshi
Published: 10 Jun 11:39 EDT (07:39 GMT) Print | Email

NEW DELHI - In an effort to speed up military space projects, India has launched an organization to coordinate all such efforts by the Armed Forces, the Department of Space and the Indian Space Research Organisation.

Called the Integrated Space Cell, the new organization will "counter the growing threat to our space assets" by completing work on India's home-grown anti-satellite system being developed at defense research agency laboratories, a ministry release said.

It will also complete work on the Aerospace Command, proposed in 2005 by the headquarters of space technologies that will link radar and communications networks and be used for ballistic missile defense and intelligence-gathering.

The cell, which will function under the aegis of the Integrated Defence Services Headquarters, was announced June 10 by Defence Minister A.K. Antony at the Unified Commanders' Conference here.


A lot of info in a short para. See the ref to the anti-sat weapon in works at ASL.

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Re: Indian Military Aviation

Postby Raj Malhotra » 10 Jun 2008 22:52

MTA seems to have grown to 68 tons compared to off quoted 49-55 tons. It seems that it will be MS-21 class aircraft with MTOW between 68-78 tons

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Re: Indian Military Aviation

Postby bart » 10 Jun 2008 23:07

Raj Malhotra wrote:MTA seems to have grown to 68 tons compared to off quoted 49-55 tons. It seems that it will be MS-21 class aircraft with MTOW between 68-78 tons



One of the other threads had some nice pictures from a recent airshow of the MTA model. Looks sleek, modern and ominous. :twisted:

Here they are:
http://foto.vg.no/show_image.php?bid=98387839
http://foto.vg.no/show_image.php?bid=98387849

Hope they design it so it can also serve as a launcher for ALCM and perhaps for dropping daisy-cutter type munitions on the pure land. We don't have a conventional bomber and nobody will sell us a purpose-built bomber, so it would be best if we could adapt our transport aircraft for such a requirement.
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Postby gogna » 10 Jun 2008 23:17

soutikghosh wrote:Proper good quality photo of Indian PHALCON

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Ilyushin ... 1360837/L/


here is another one
http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=6271128

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Postby Venkarl » 10 Jun 2008 23:36



I see humvees inside or are they dhumvees?? :D

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India, US Sort Differences on VVIP Jet Deal

Postby Juggi G » 12 Jun 2008 04:08

India, US Sort Differences on VVIP Jet Deal :D
IndianExpress
India, US Sort Differences on VVIP Jet Deal
Express News Service

Posted online: Thursday, June 12, 2008 at 2312 hrs
New Delhi, June 11: Ending all Speculation, India and the US have Resolved Differences over a Contentious End User Verification Law that threatened to come in the way of a deal to procure Missile Protection Systems for Indian VVIP aircraft.

After weeks of deliberations, the two sides have agreed on a new end user verification agreement that negates the need for Physical Verification of the Sensitive Systems and Relies on Written Assurances Given by the Indian Air Force (IAF).

The $40 million deal to procure AN/AAQ-24 LAIRCM (Large Aircraft Infra Red Countermeasure Systems) for three Indian VVIP Business Boeing Jets Entered muddy waters earlier this year, after India refused to sign a ‘Compulsory’ Agreement that would Permit Periodic Physical Verification of the Systems by US Inspectors.

While US argued that Physical Inspection of Systems was Mandatory by their Laws and was needed to ensure that the Technology did not fall into wrong hands, India had argued that as a Sovereign Nation, it could not allow Inspections and Offered Access to Records and Written Assurances.

MoD sources said the matter has now been Resolved Through a New End User Verification Agreement. Earlier, the missile protection system was being Procured through a Country to Country Agreement (Foreign Military Sale) that would Mandate Physical Inspection of the Systems due to US defence export laws.

To Work Things Around this Compulsory Clause, the Systems will now be Purchased Directly by the IAF from US-based Northrop Grumman that manufactures the systems. Sources say the company to company Agreement would do away with the need to Physical Verification as the US Firm would take Responsibility for ‘Correct Usage’ of the Missile Protection Systems.

Confirming that the issue has been resolved, US embassy officials said the three VVIP Business Boeing Jets are shortly expected to reach India. “We anticipate that the aircraft will be delivered shortly with all the equipment that India Desires,” said a US Embassy official.

MoD officials say the US was Being Extra Sensitive Regarding the Transfer as the missile protection system is New and has only been Offered to the UK, Canada and India. A similar system is fitted on board the US President Air Force One and Security of a number of top officials could be Compromised if Information on the System is Leaked.

However, with all issues resolved, the three aircraft would be arriving in New Delhi by July-end, only a month behind schedule. The delay, officials say, is due to last minute issues in integrating a few systems on the VVIP jets.

India had inked a Rs 937-crore deal in 2005 to acquire three Boeing Business Jets for VVIP travel. The deal included a $40 million US foreign military sale for three aircraft self protection systems - AN/AAQ-24 LAIRCM (Large Aircraft Infra Red Countermeasure System), AN/ALE-47H countermeasure dispensing systems and AN/ALQ-211 early warning suite controller and radar warning systems.

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Postby Kartik » 12 Jun 2008 04:25

so the US actually transferred a rather new missile warning system..why could'nt the IAF have integrated the new missiles warning system that they developed with EADS?

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Re: Indian Military Aviation

Postby Kartik » 12 Jun 2008 06:20

holy cow ! my scrap count has gone down by a 1000 !! :((

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Postby chetak » 12 Jun 2008 07:51

Singha wrote:not a guru , but which airbases are adjacent to rocky hills that can be
excavated to make impregnable natural shelters ?

I havent been around much but to me Leh and Thoise come to mind - spots
that will attract PRC/Paki SRBM strikes in any conflict.
so thats one area to look into - no more a/c parked in open but snug inside
artificial caves. easier (warm & dry) to work on them inside too.

another line of work is finding a ultra-secure place for our C3I, phalcons,
AF1, Midas type birds. Nagpur is not going to be it. shared civ airports
none of them fit bill.

imo someplaces in deccan and orissa (charbatia?) way off the public eye
need to either get cave hangers or underground 30m deep hangers
for platinum value assets.

a single $1 Babur GLCM leaking through can lay waste a $500mil asset
in blink of an eye. Phalcons are easy to recognize and local abduls
below flight path can id it from miles off and cue the shooters that
phalcon is on ground.


The Naval Airstation at Arakonam is a safe place.

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Postby Rahul M » 12 Jun 2008 08:39

another line of work is finding a ultra-secure place for our C3I, phalcons,
AF1, Midas type birds. Nagpur is not going to be it. shared civ airports
none of them fit bill.


phalcons will be based at Agra. the midas (battle cry sqn) is already there.

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Re: Indian Military Aviation

Postby Raj Malhotra » 12 Jun 2008 09:26

bart wrote:
Raj Malhotra wrote:MTA seems to have grown to 68 tons compared to off quoted 49-55 tons. It seems that it will be MS-21 class aircraft with MTOW between 68-78 tons



One of the other threads had some nice pictures from a recent airshow of the MTA model. Looks sleek, modern and ominous. :twisted:

Here they are:
http://foto.vg.no/show_image.php?bid=98387839
http://foto.vg.no/show_image.php?bid=98387849

Hope they design it so it can also serve as a launcher for ALCM and perhaps for dropping daisy-cutter type munitions on the pure land. We don't have a conventional bomber and nobody will sell us a purpose-built bomber, so it would be best if we could adapt our transport aircraft for such a requirement.



Is it an illusion or the body seems slightly faceted to reduce radar cross section. If you look at wingspan and cabin size in layman terms then this A320 size aircraft. My bet is that MTOW will grow to 100 tons by 2020 without major changes to aircraft

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Re: Indian Military Aviation

Postby Venkarl » 12 Jun 2008 09:31

Is Arakonnam safe from seismic waves?? one among many good reasons to select this place is good rail connectivity and closer to sea port...having studied at Vellore, I know that the region is hilly...but not sure about Arakonnam area...?

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Re: Indian Military Aviation

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Re: Indian Military Aviation

Postby ramana » 12 Jun 2008 20:05

Kartik wrote:so the US actually transferred a rather new missile warning system..why could'nt the IAF have integrated the new missiles warning system that they developed with EADS?

Kartik, Looks lik they are totally different obejectives, EADS is a warning system while the US one is a counter-measure system. I think there was an Aviation Week cover on the US system long time ago.

BTW, India purchased with money. There wasnt any freebie transfer.

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Re: Indian Military Aviation

Postby Kartik » 12 Jun 2008 20:54

so what exactly does this missile protection system do? use chaff and flares or something more "active" like a laser beam to blind the missile's seeker?

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Re: Indian Military Aviation

Postby Rahul Shukla » 12 Jun 2008 21:08

^^^

LAIRCM uses missile warning system to detect and incoming missile, then the protection system directs a pointer-tracker to the missile's seeker jamming it with a IR laser energy beam.

Clicky: Deagel.com

LAIRCM will be optimized for large aircraft, which present a greater IR heat source for incoming missiles. Current IR-guided missile sensors have very narrow fields of view, and the dispersed engines on a large aircraft offer several targets. Missile warners and countermeasures dispensers must essentially cover more than one “aircraft.” LAIRCM must jam or destroy the sensor of an incoming missile and not let it reacquire another engine. Thus, a higher power laser that destroys the missile’s sensor, rather than disrupting it, is preferable to an IR arc lamp.

Large aircraft are especially vulnerable on takeoff and landing, when missile warners and flare dispensers are least effective, so LAIRCM must be especially effective low and slow. A large aircraft’s greater IR signature also lets missiles acquire and track from longer ranges; LAIRCM’s missile warning system (MWS) must have a greater range than the CMWS and AAR-54, and may require costlier IR-type sensors. LAIRCM’s design, based on the DIRCM with the Viper laser, currently does include the AAR-54.
A Closed-Loop IRCM has been suggested for Phase II LAIRCM production. A CLIRCM laser would analyze incoming missiles, determine their type, then return a custom jam code sequence that would cause the missile to break lock and move sharply away from the target aircraft, allowing engagement of another target after only 3-4 sec. This would certainly surpass today’s open-loop systems, which simply try to confuse missiles with random false targets or IR energy, making the missile wobble in flight but not necessarily break lock. The missile can then reacquire the target if the jam head moves to another missile.

Clicky: AIAA.org

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Re: Indian Military Aviation

Postby Kartik » 12 Jun 2008 22:56

thanks for that post Rahul. so it does have a laser that would immobilize the seeker on the approaching missile and also would present false targets to make the missile veer away from the aircraft itself..

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Re: Indian Military Aviation

Postby gogna » 12 Jun 2008 23:31

Guys, how many Dhruv's are in Sarang team???

http://tinyurl.com/47ywhn

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Re: Indian Military Aviation

Postby Kakarat » 13 Jun 2008 00:15

gogna wrote:Guys, how many Dhruv's are in Sarang team???

http://tinyurl.com/47ywhn


I think its 4 display and 1 backup

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Re: Indian Military Aviation

Postby sunilUpa » 13 Jun 2008 05:07

Navy plans to ditch Dhruv helicopters

The Indian Navy has virtually written off the naval variant of the advanced light helicopter (ALH), Dhruv, saying it has failed to meet basic operational requirements. The navy, which operates a fleet of six ALHs, has decided against placing further orders with the Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL).

A senior navy official told HT, “The ALH has a long way to go before the programme matures sufficiently for it to undertake basic naval roles such as search and rescue (SAR) and communication duties.” He said the helicopter’s ASW (anti-submarine warfare) version developed by HAL still falls short of naval expectations.

Navy officials said that the ALH lacks the desired endurance for mission requirements. The navy is also not satisfied with the chopper’s rotor blade folding mechanism for storage on warships and its payload capacity. The navy has launched a global hunt for new ASW helicopters to replace its ageing fleet of Sea King helicopters.

However, HAL remains buoyant about domestic helicopter sale prospects with the defence ministry entrusting it with the task of developing light utility helicopters for the army and the air force. The ministry has allocated Rs 435 crore for this. The defence public sector undertaking is focusing aggressively on the helicopter business and plans to set up a new helicopter division in Bangalore.


While the vibration problems associated with ASW version was reported before, endurance and rotor related issues with Naval Dhruv is news to me. Navy's decision to abandon Naval Dhruv had been reported earlier and discussed here.

It's good move to give HAL contract to develop light utility helicopter. This confirms earlier reports of RFP for the same being reduced to 200 from 400 and remaining 200 coming from HAL's project. However only 100 million for developing a brand new chopper? :?: :shock:


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