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3 more arrested for Malegaon blast, foreign weapons seized
Indo-Asian News Service
Mumbai, November 3, 2008
The Anti-Terrorist Squad (ATS) on Monday nabbed three more suspects in connection with the Malegaon blast, including an alleged financer of the group, a top police official said.

The arrested include Ajay Raikar, who allegedly managed the financial affairs of the entire operation, ATS chief Hemant Karkare said on late Monday evening.

The other two nabbed are Rakesh Dhavade and Jagdish Mhatre who, Karkare said, were involved in procuring weapons for the operation.

The police have recovered some foreign-made weapons like Smith & Wesson, Luger and .36 revolvers and 190 live catridges from Mhatre, he said. {This is a Bomb Blast Probe, is it not?}

With this, the total number of arrests in the Malegaon blast case has gone up to eight.

The others arrested earlier are: Sadhvi (Hindu missionary) Pragya Singh Thakur, Shyamlal Sahu, Shivnarain Singh Kalsagra, Sameer Kulkarni and Ramesh Upadhyay.

Besides these, Ashok Chawla was detained by the ATS from Jabalpur and the police are interrogating a serving army officer, Lt. Col. Prasad Purohit, and Col. (retd) S.S. Raikar, who is said to be the principal of the Bhonsala Military School (BMS), Nashik.

At least six members of this group had attended a meeting convened by Sadhvi Pragnya at the BMS 15 days before the Malegaon blast.

The trio arrested in the latest round was presented before the Nashik court on Monday afternoon. The court then remanded them in police custody till November 10.

Karkare said the ATS investigations revealed that Raikar looked after the entire financial aspects of the terror operation culminating in the September 29 Malegaon blast which left five people dead.

He gave money to Sameer Kulkarni and Dhavade to procure weapons for the terror operations. Dhavade paid Mhatre to get the weapons, Karkare said.

Karkare also dismissed "as not based on facts" certain media reports claiming that the ATS had drawn a blank in the Sadhvi's brain mapping tests.
Meanwhile....
Court grants bail to Batla House caretaker
Indo-Asian News Service
New Delhi, November 3, 2008
A city court on Monday granted bail to Abdul Rehman, the father of suspected terrorist Zia-ur-Rehman who is one of the men allegedly involved in the September 13 serial blasts.

Abdul Rehman, the caretaker of L-18 Batla House flat in Jamia Nagar, was arrested on September 21 on charges of forgery and cheating.

Additional Sessions Judge Pinky allowed his bail application on furnishing a personal bond and surety of Rs. 20, 000 each.

Rehman, a stenographer of the Uttar Pradesh public works department, was accused by flat owner Mohsin Nissar, an engineer in the same department, of forging his signature in a lease deed while giving away the flat to two suspected terrorists on rent.

The court had dismissed his bail plea on September 24.

According to the police, Rehman let out the flat to suspected terrorists who carried out synchronised serial blasts in Delhi.
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Philip wrote:If Indonesia can hang their own mUlims found guilty,then why can't india do the same to those who have been found guilty by the highest court in the land?
Becoz the congress govt is sitting on the file and not forwarding it. this is the least they could have done to punish afzal guru instead of trying to support jamia terrorist protection ring.
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Sadhvi and Kulkarni undergo narco test

Are there any other non govt witnessess present during the narco test? For in case of political matters how does aam janata know if the reports of the cross examination are truthful? Pardon my ignorance but the police dont have mcuh credibility in case of political matters. In case of criminal matters I understand but this one has political overtones.
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Looks like a promising career is being shot.
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Why bother serving India or the Indian army -- you can get slandered and your name tarnished even without any confirmation of guilt. Nice country to serve...


From the above article:
Although there is nothing yet to confirm the officer's complicity in the Malegaon attack—which, police allege, was designed as a retaliatory act for the spate of bomb blasts engineered by jehadi terrorists in cities across the country, <snip>
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ATS may book Sadhvi Pragya under MCOCA
MUMBAI: The anti-terrorism squad (ATS) investigating the Malegaon blast case is planning to invoke the stringent Maharashtra Control of Organised Crime Act (MCOCA) on the eight accused.

The ATS has booked the eight including Pragya Singh Thakur under the Unlawful Activities (Prevention) Act 1967 and sections of IPC for murder and attempt to murder and Explosives Act. However the police are still to book them under section 121 of the IPC for waging war against the nation.

Sources said the bombing amounts to an organised crime, one of the pre requisites for invoking MCOCA.

A senior ATS officer said to invoke MCOCA, one of the accused should have at least one chargesheet against him in a criminal case. A chargesheet is filed in the court by the investigating agency after the completion of the investigation.

In the current case, there are two chargesheets against arrested accused Ramesh Updhayay, who runs a printing press in Pune. Upadhayay has two previous cases of harassment and outraging the modesty of women registered at two police stations. He has been chargesheeted in both the cases. An ATS officer said,

"Right now we are examining the two cases. Once we scrutinise it we will be able to comment on it. But there is no discrimination against anybody."

Meanwhile, advocate Amin Solkar who represents eight of the 20 members of Indian Mujaheedin who are accused of planting bombs in Ahmedabad, Surat, Jaipur, Hyderabad and July 2006 train bomb blasts said, "I feel the police are not fair by not invoking the section of waging war against the nation against the accused arrested by ATS."

Solkar wondered why the government has not taken action against those political organisations like Shiv Sena and BJP who openly claim that they are proud of the accused and they will providing legal assistance to the arrested accused in the Malegaon case.

Advocate Majeed Memon said, "The gravity of the crime and the availability of evidence are the guiding factors for applications of stringent provision of law such as MCOCA. Whether it is sadhvi module or members of Indian Mujaheedin or anyone else it does not make any difference in the eyes of our laws and our legal system."
So, Now, Sadhvi "module" = = IM; and this from Majeed Memon (on the payroll of Dawood Ibrahim, no less)

Essentially MCOCA is being invoked to drag along the case long enough for the Elections to be over.

Have you also noticed that in the so-called Mainstream Media, all Bomb Blasts - Jaipur, Gujarat, Delhi, Assam have now completely recessed to the background while the INC's political subterfuge is being given complete, sensationalized coverage.
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Hindutva and its cult of the bomb

Praveen Swami

Events since the unravelling of the Malegaon terror cell illustrate the double-standards, deceit and denial that characterise India’s public discourse on terrorism.

The Indian Mujahideen (IM) warned the citizens of Mumbai through e-mail in September that for all the deadly attacks they faced in future, the city’s Anti-Terrorism squad alone would be responsible. In the e-mail, the Islamist terror group charged the ATS with perpetrating atrocities on Muslims in Mumbai. Politicians of the Islamic right-wing — and not a few well-meaning liberals — joined the chorus, charging the police with running a communal witch-hunt.

The ATS is again facing a barrage of invectives — this time led by Hindutva groups which were cheering it on the successful counter-terrorist campaign against the IM. Last month, ATS investigators held Gujarat-based Hindutva activist Pragnya Singh Thakur and four other key members of a Hindutva terror cell for executing the September 29 bombing outside the Students Islamic Movement of India’s old office in Malegaon. Six Muslims died in the bombings, which the police believe were a reprisal for the IM attacks.

Events since then have offered not a little into the double standards, deceit and denial that characterise India’s public discourse on terrorism. Bharatiya Janata Party president Rajnath Singh proclaimed that there was no evidence against Pragnya, echoing almost verbatim the assertions by Islamist leaders after the arrests of IM suspects. The party spokesperson, Ravi Shankar Prasad, railed against what he described as “Hindu-bashing by pseudo-secularists” — a formulation near-identical to that of Muslim neoconservatives who claim that the police’s counter-terrorism campaign is a plot against Islam. Shiv Sena chief Bal Thackeray went one step further claiming that Hindus were being framed for acts of terror by Islamist conspirators — again, a carbon copy of assertions made earlier in the context of Islamist terror cells. And borrowing the tactics used by some jihadists’ families, Pragnya’s father appeared before the media to proclaim her innocence in an emotional speech.

ATS chief Hemant Karkare and his subordinates ought to be taking pride in a job well done. And Indians, whatever their political beliefs, ought to be very worried.

It is unclear just why anyone should seem surprised at the news that Hindutva groups can spawn terrorism: Mahatma Gandhi’s murderers and their motives are too well known to need recounting here.

Pragnya Thakur’s cell is the first Hindutva terror group known to have possessed and deployed significant bomb-making skills but elements of the movement she represented have long been known to be preparing for a war — at least since 2003. Underlying the turn to terror was a simple political objective: to persuade their audience that the Bajrang Dal and its sister organisations could, unlike the supposedly effete secular state, protect the frontiers of the Hindu faith from what was claimed to be an Islamic assault.
Terror capabilities

From 2006, it became clear, Hindutva groups were seeking to acquire serious terror capabilities. That summer, Naresh Kondwar and Himanshu Phanse of the Bajrang Dal were killed in a bomb-making accident in the Maharashtra town of Nanded. Investigators found that Kondwar and Phanse were responsible for bombing a Parbhani mosque in April 2006, almost three months before the Mumbai serial bombings. Bajrang Dal operatives linked to the Nanded cell, the police discovered, were also responsible for the bombing of mosques at Purna and Jalna in April 2003, in which 18 people were injured.

Few people took these warning signs seriously. But from the outset, the Maharashtra police — who knew better than most that what eventually flowered into the Lashkar-e-Taiba in India began with a handful of untrained men staging parades in a Mumbai slum —made clear their concern about Hindutva terrorism. In a 2006 interview to the magazine Communalism Combat, the former ATS chief K.P. Raghuvanshi noted that the Nanded incident could have “frightening repercussions.” He acidly observed that the “bombs were not being manufactured for a puja.”

Just this June, Hindu Janajagruti Samiti operatives were held for the bombing of the Gadkari Rangayatan theatre in Thane, to protest the staging of a satire on the Mahabharata, Amhi Pachpute. One of those arrested by the ATS, Mangesh Nikam, was facing trial on charges of bombing the home of a Ratnagiri family that had converted to Christianity and was out on bail.

In October, Bajrang Dal-linked Rajiv Mishra and Bhupinder Singh were killed in a bomb-making accident in Kanpur. Uttar Pradesh police sources said there was little to show that the group had links with the terror cells in Maharashtra — a proposition buttressed by forensic reports which said the explosive device they were constructing was in essence a large firecracker.

Unless checked, though, these groups will eventually acquire more sophisticated capabilities. In September 2006, the police seized a 195-kg cocktail of military grade explosives from an Ahmednagar scrap dealer. Shankar Shelke, investigators later found, retrieved the material — more than enough to execute all terror strikes across India since 1993 — from a decommissioned Indian Army ordinance which had sold it as scrap. From Shelke’s telephone records, the investigators established the existence of a huge underground market for high-grade explosives — in the main industrial users who found legally available ammonium nitrate-based slurry explosives a nuisance to store and use.

Pragnya and her Hindutva terror cell have deep — and for some, discomfiting — roots in history. Abhinav Bharat — the organisation from which the terror cell emerged — was founded in mid-2006. Named after a group set up by the Hindutva ideologue Vinayak Damodar Savarkar in May 1904 to wage war against imperial Britain, Abhinav Bharat’s leading figures believed that terror was needed to counter Islamist terror — a belief they put into practice in Malegaon.

Hindutva terrorism was born at the dawn of the 20th century. Influenced by the dramatic impact of terrorism in imperial Russia, the Hindu nationalist leader, Bal Gangadhar Tilak, became increasingly drawn to violence as a tool to achieve Indian independence. A year after the searing 1905 revolution, which compelled Czar Alexander II to grant basic civil rights, Tilak wrote: “The days of prayer have gone.” “Look to the examples of Ireland, Japan and Russia,” he exhorted his followers, “and follow their methods.”

Tilak’s message proved attractive to many young, upper caste Hindu neoconservatives — often the products of western-style education who had found in their re-imagining of Indian tradition a language with which to oppose British imperialism.

Figures like Savarkar, who went on to lead the Hindu Mahasabha and the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh, cast the struggle against Britain as a fight to defend the Hindu faith. In one manifesto, the original Abhinav Bharat’s followers promised to “shed upon the earth the life-blood of the enemies who destroy religion.” Later, the radical right journal Yugantar argued that the murder of foreigners in India was “not a sin but a yagna [ritual sacrifice]” — language that would be entirely familiar to Osama bin-Laden’s jihadist armies today.

Edinburgh-educated Pandurang Bapat was among those who responded to Tilak’s call. In 1908, Bapat is believed to have been given a manual for bomb-making by a Russian chemical engineer. Bapat insisted that his bombs never killed anyone. He was, however, suspected of involvement in the Alipore bomb case — an attack on a British magistrate by Khudiram Bose and Prafulla Chaki which missed its target, and killed two women. “Indian terrorism,” scholar Walter Lacquer has recorded, “was relatively infrequent and on the whole quite ineffective: more often than not, the Indian terrorists managed to kill some innocent bystander rather than their intended victims.”

After the 1909 assassination of William Wylie, Edwin Montague’s political secretary, Hindu right-wing terrorism went into a prolonged period of decline. Bapat shifted focus from seeking the overthrow of the British Raj to education. So did Savarkar’s close associate, Hindutva ideologue B.S. Moonje. In 1937, Moonje founded the Bhonsala Military School in Nashik — an institution to which, ironically enough, two men arrested by the ATS on charges of facilitating the Malegaon bombings were linked.
‘Hindu Fuhrer’

Historian Eugene D’Souza’s work on pre-Second World War German propaganda shows that the Hindu right-wing continued to worship violence despite its tactical turn from terror. In the build-up to the war, Nazi Germany’s covert services reached out to potential allies. “Many vernacular papers in Bombay and Maharashtra belonging to the Hindu Mahasabha,” D’Souza has recorded, “openly preached National Socialism for India and a Hindu Fuhrer in the mould of Hitler.” Interestingly, the Nazi message also appealed to proto-Islamists. Iranian expatriate Saif Azad’s Salar-e-Hind worked to promote fascism in India, casting Jews as criminals. “Strangely enough,” D’Souza has noted, “the otherwise irreconcilable reactionaries and fanatics among both Hindus and Muslims were attracted to the totalitarian doctrine, though their approach was from two opposite directions.” Once again, Islamist and Hindutva terrorists are locked in a fateful embrace.

In a 2003 article, Pakistani scholar-diplomat Husain Haqqani warned that “the rise of Hindu extremism serves as a catalyst for recruitment by extremist Islamists in South Asia.” Haqqani’s bleak statement is borne out by facts. Hafiz Mohammad Saeed, who heads the Lashkar-e-Taiba, was a child of the Partition of India: his hatred for Hindus and India, journalist Zahid Husain has recorded, stemmed from his witnessing the massacre of much of his family on the route from Shimla to Lahore. Not a few of those involved in the Islamist jihad that has claimed thousands of lives in India since 1990 were seduced by violence because of their experience of communal pogroms.

BJP leaders — who often claim to have a special concern for India’s strategic future — must unequivocally denounce the murderers in their ranks. Failing this, they will help to bring the apocalyptic Hindu-Muslim war that groups like the Lashkar hope to precipitate one step closer to realisation.
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Purohit’s improbable path to becoming a terrorist

Praveen Swami

Neighbours wonder why the soft-spoken man would want blood on his hands

He appeared pious but made no secret of his political views

He is believed to have set up Abhinav Bharat soon after he moved to Maharashtra in 2005

NEW DELHI: Lieutenant-Colonel Prasad Shrikant Purohit’s ageing mother isn’t the only one who isn’t willing to believe he could be a terrorist.

Just like the communities of many Islamist terror suspects held this summer, his Pune neighbours are struggling to understand why a soft-spoken middle-class man would want the blood of innocents on his hands. The Maharashtra Police’s Anti-Terrorism Squad is working overtime to answer that question. Along with India’s intelligence services, it hopes to establish if Purohit’s case was a one-off or whether, as some fear, it points to a large-scale penetration of India’s armed forces by Hindutva groups. Some answers are beginning to emerge.
Hate school

The son of a bank officer with no particular political leanings, Purohit seems to have first encountered Hindutva politics in his late teens when he attended a special coaching class for short service commission officer-aspirants at the Bhonsala Military School in Pune.

Founded in 1937 by B.S. Moonje, the controversial school drew on fascist pedagogical practices the Hindutva ideologue encountered on a visit to Europe. Moonje, who had earlier served with the British Indian army as a doctor during the visit, met with Italian dictator Benito Mussolini and studied fascist institutions.

Purohit’s education at the school helped him secure a commission in the Indian Army. His subsequent career, however, was unexceptional.

In 2002, he participated in 15 Maratha Light Infantry’s counter-terrorism operations in Jammu and Kashmir, but won no special honours. Later, he was given an administrative job linked to the raising of 41 Rashtriya Rifles, a dedicated counter-terrorism formation that operates out of Kupwara, in northern Kashmir. His tenure in Jammu and Kashmir ended in January, 2005, while serving in the Awantipora-based 31-Counter Intelligence Unit of the Military Intelligence Directorate, an assignment not considered among the most prestigious.

Officers who knew Purohit in Jammu and Kashmir described him as devoted to his wife Aparna, a military homoeopath, and their two children. To his colleagues, he appeared pious and soft spoken but made no secret of his political views. He believed that the Indian state was unable to defend Hindus, one contemporary says, and thought it was incumbent on all of us to do something about it.

Investigators suspect Purohit’s decision to set up Abhinav Bharat germinated soon after he moved to Maharashtra in 2005.

Purohit was assigned charge of an Army Liaison Unit, an MI cell responsible for developing and maintaining links between the army and local communities. The job provided a perfect cover for developing contacts with his old school, and the circle of Pune-region Hindutva activists who were connected to it

School commandant Colonel S.S. Raikar, the investigators say, played a key role in putting Purohit in touch with the activists who went on to form Abhinav Bharat. Colonel Raikar, who retired from the Indian Army as head of a Military Intelligence detachment in Manipur, has denied any criminal wrongdoing. The Bhonsala Military School, too, insists it has no links to political groups.

In the summer of 2006, though, Abhinav Bharat held the first of what was to be a series of meetings in rooms provided by the Bhonsala Military School. From the outset, it made no secret of its objectives. Abhinav Bharat drew its name from a terrorist group set up by Hindutva activists in 1904 to fight colonial Britain. Himani Savarkar, grandniece of the Hindutva movement’s founding patriarch Vinayak Damodar Savarkar and niece of Mahatma Gandhi’s assassin Nathuram Godse, was appointed the organisation’s president.

Purohit is alleged to have told Abhinav Bharat supporters that his military background had equipped him, unlike the political leadership of existing Hindutva organisations, to prepare for what he saw as an inevitable Hindu-Muslim civilisational war. He would often invent stories of heroic covert exploits against jihadi terrorists to impress his recruits, member of the investigation team told The Hindu.

Full-time cadre of the organisation were known by the honorific Chanakya, a reference to the scholar-advisor who is reputed to have helped build the foundations for the rule of the emperor Chandragupta Maurya.

In August, 2007, Purohit volunteered for a course in Arabic, a move, the investigators now believe, that was driven less by a desire for learning and more by the prospect of remaining in regular contact with Abhinav Bharat.

When the Indian Mujahideen offensive gathered pace this summer, the investigators say, Abhinav Bharat’s core leadership saw the opportunity to strike. Plans for the Malegaon attack were rapidly put in place, plans that the ATS hopes Purohit’s arrest will help them unravel.
The article is fine but the slandering of the military school could have been done without!!!
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Since the Admins have deemed it fit to close the HFL and Kandhmal threads, I am posting this here. Hellfire Missiles may be fired at this post, if deemed inappropriate.
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BHUBANESWAR: Riot-torn Kandhmal appeared on the brink of a fresh spiral of violence with the killing of a VHP worker Dhanu Pradhani by three unidentified persons at Kumbharigaon in Brahmanigaon area of the district.

The murder has triggered fears of more attacks on Christians at a time when the administration was engaged in controlling the warring communities.

Pradhani is the first VHP activist after Swami Laxmananda Saraswati to be killed since the ethnic and communal violence gripped southern Orissa on August 23. Pradhani was also associated with the ruling BJP and his brother is a panchayat samiti member.

Police sources said three unknown persons fired at Pradhani at 12.30 pm while he was at a school in Kumbharigaon. The 32-year-old VHP activist received wounds in his chest and head. The administration hasn't attributed any specific reason behind his killing, although the saffron brigade alleged that the killers were Christians from Katingia area. {Will TOI uses Terms Like Pope's Army, or Rapture Brigade?}

Kandhmal SP Praveen Kumar, who rushed to the spot, did not say why Pradhani was murdered, saying, "We are verifying all angles and possibilities." DGP M M Praharaj told TOI, "We are yet to learn the motive of the killers." While no one has been arrested, police detained a local person, sources said.
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"He believed that the Indian state was unable to defend Hindus, one contemporary says, and thought it was incumbent on all of us to do something about it."

If the allegations stated are true,the reason for the officer to have taken this extreme measure is spelt out loud and clear in the quote above! He is certainly in the company of millions of Indians who have similar views,that the state has failed the nation in protecting the innocent from Islamist terror.What is pathetic is that until now,with a few scraps thrown to the media,there has been precious little evidence that the GOI was even attempting to prevent the terror campaign either through internal security efforts or diplomatic/military efforts aimed the masterminds abroad and a policy of "appeasement" of terrorists caught to secure votebanks was and is in place.In such circumstances,one cannot be surprised if individuals like the army officer allegedly involved decide to combat terror on their own.Unless the country has confidence that the GOI is actively engaged in combating Islamist terror,Malegaon might be emulated by others fed up with the situation today.
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Purohit’s improbable path to becoming a terrorist

Praveen Swami

Abhinav Bharat drew its name from a terrorist group set up by Hindutva activists in 1904 to fight colonial Britain.

So there is the true face of Swami. Now freedom fighters have become terrorists. No wonder who are the paymasters.
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Abhi_G wrote:
sum wrote:Link

So there is the true face of Swami. Now freedom fighters have become terrorists. No wonder who are the paymasters.


Colonial history is still being used on India. If the education system is looking at the colonial view
what do you expect the media to follow.
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There is a show today at 9:30 about "HAs IAs secular image been dented by the Malegaon blasts" in CNN-IBN(i think or was it NDTV)...

If someone does watch it, please do put up the gist tomorrow since i do not have the stomach to watch the army's name being dragged through the mud by shady "experts" like Ms. Teesta and maybe the MIM legislator from Hyd(who seems to be a fav of news channels :roll:).
Disclaimer: i am not sure as to who the panelsits are but i can assume that it will be some "secularists/human rights wallas" for whom i have no love lost, esp when they start lecturing about the evil army.

TIA
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ABVP workers ransack DU seminar venue, spit on Geelani

New Delhi, November 6: : A group of ABVP activists went on a rampage at Delhi University, vandalising the venue of a seminar in protest against presence of S A R Geelani, acquitted in the Parliament attack case, and spat on him.

Around 50 youths damaged property and hurled abuses on Geelani at the seminar on 'Communalism, Fascism and Democracy Rhetoric and Reality', disrupting the programme briefly.

Shouting slogans, 'Bharat Mata Ki Jai' and 'Vande Mataram', the student activists indulged in violence at the venue for about an hour even as over a dozen policemen present there remained mute spectators.

Trouble started just after Geelani reached the venue. An activist went up to the dais and spat on Geelani's face twice, saying 'shame, shame'. The ABVP activists then went on damaging the windows, doors, chairs and the microphone to disrupt the meeting.

"This is a trailer of fascism. The fact that we held the meeting shows that we succeeded to beat the fascist forces. Now the fascist forces are becoming strong in the country and are trying to suppress the democratic voice. We should not allow that to happen," Geelani said.

He asked the students to fight for democratic values and debunk efforts by forces to target certain individuals and terrorise a community.

Police later gathered in strength and detained about 20 activists.

The ABVP issued a statement, saying that the country is witnessing a difficult phase as terrorism and anti-social activities are increasing.

"At this stage, inviting a person like Geelani shows sick mentality of the organisers. Are we going to invite Afzal Guru to Delhi University in future if he is released from jail?" the statement said.
:lol:
"The meeting is an effort by some elements to spread intellectual terrorism in Delhi University," it said.

The Delhi University authorities said action would be taken against the errant students who damaged property.

"Law will take its own course against whoever has done this," varsity proctor Prof Gurmeet Singh said.
Usually abhor such hooliganism but i am not entirely displeased with this action since i feel that shri Geelani deserves such treatment. The man walks out of jail due to some technical faults in the lawsuit and instead of being happy about how the justice system of the country got him released, he just turns around and starts abusing the country and the govt at all forums(esp shady looking forums). He seems a model closet Paki to me.
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SAR Geelani openly works for Pakis (and committed a terrorist attack on the parliament) and gets away with it...only in India.

Edited to change some minor aspects of the post (the words).
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whatever, spitting is not the most effective way making the populace understand your point.
it's a self goal if you ask me.
and if geelani has been acquitted by the courts then he has been acquitted, no two ways about it.

"learn to play the victim".
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Why was Geelani invited in the first place? What are his credentials?
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persecuted minority of course. about his subject, none of the sources mention that of course.
but I've a faint memory it was something like arabic/islamic studies.
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Well I watched both -- made it a point really. Some points

1) The students union leader of Delhi (a very pretty young lady) blew these guys out of water (Arnav + Geelani) -- she pointed out the following and the others were choking

a) Most of the people in the meet in DU were; get this; from JNU who were asking DU students to stay out :roll:
b) Geelani has been acquitted on technical grounds; for lack of actionable evidence (the lady was a lawyer in making) the hon court did not clear Geelani of charges -- very imp.
c) She said that as far as spitting is concerned she thinks the whole of India should spit at Geelani; that will be the least.
d) It was not clear who had invited Geelani under what regulation and on what basis the claim that the student who spit belonged to ABVP was.
e) The meeting itself was probably not really all above board rule wise in terms of faculty members participating on a issue like communalism.

Arnav had to hurriedly close the show since the matter was not quite going on the lines he had expected.

2) IA vs the secularist -- there was great pains to paint that a large part of Army was going communal (read Hindu) there was Maj Gen (I think) Prasad and Maj Gen Ashok K Mehta; Ashok Mehta basically said that this has nothing to with Army as this was a social issue since the army man comes from the same country. Arnav didnt like it a bit. Gen Prasad was trying to defend that this is a one off case and Army has methods to handle it -- Gen Mehta was making it clear that not looking at real factors was just deluding oneself.
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the hon court did not clear Geelani of charges -- very imp.
thanks for the pointer. so no "honourable acquittal".

I retract my earlier statement :
and if geelani has been acquitted by the courts then he has been acquitted, no two ways about it.
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Presley Thomas, Hindustan Times
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Mumbai, November 06, 2008
First Published: 01:35 IST(6/11/2008)
Last Updated: 01:37 IST(6/11/2008)
Notice out for two NRIs for helping IM
Mumbai Police’s Crime Branch has issued lookout notice against two West Asia-based NRIs for facilitating financial transactions to Riyaz Bhatkal, cofounder of the Indian Mujahideen.

The police also froze two nationalised banks accounts, which allegedly facilitated transactions for the operation of the little-known terror group and seized Rs 27 lakh.

Joint Commissioner of Police (crime) Rakesh Maria said that since 2006 small amounts of money were deposited in the two accounts, belonging to ther two NRIs.

The accounts also contained withdrawals that Bhatkal had made. Crime Branch officials said the NRIs had given pre-signed blank cheques to Bhatkal.

Though the police said the NRIs had made frequent trips to India, they refused to specify when they were last in the country.

The police also said one of the 20 Indian Mujahideen operatives was arrested when he was about to withdraw money from the bank. A signed cheque was seized from him, they added.
http://www.hindustantimes.com/StoryPage ... 33685bfa1a
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So what are the chances that Lt-Col as part of his intelligence assignment that needs many dirty work to be done, was grooming 'assets'. It can be found in many publications published by ex-Raw officials that RAW/MI would fraternize with Hindu radical groups (or anyone who would do it) to find people who would cross over the border and spy for them. What are the chances that a gradual fight against whatever meager capability India has is being taken away? First during Gujaral time, the whole RAW infrastructure was dismantled, then they had count of religion of all guys in army (so now they know who is where and who can be cultivated) and now go for officers who are part of this process.
What could be the purpose of that, are we getting ready to give J&K and it is being made sure that Indians have no means to retaliate, not even officers or men who run the dirty department against any such compromises?
Is all that possible?
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I hope this report is correct.... But the truth comes out
While no anti-terrorism squad (ATS) officer was willing to comment on the reported confession, ATS spokesperson Dinesh Agrawala said for the record, "It's not correct."
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He was probably in analysis and not in ops.

and Bal Thackerey was right.
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Malegaon blast: More armymen under scanner

Purohit to be probed for any role in other blasts too, says ATS
Now almost all the blasts will be put on his head. No Islamic terrorists, no IM, no SIMI
Emails were sent by these people
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ramana wrote:Bal Thackerey was right.
??? Ramana ji, could you pls refer me related info???

thanks
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Alleging that the Anti-Terrorist Squad (ATS) machinery was being used at the behest of the Congress, which is practicing politics of Muslim appeasement, it said, “the arrests of cultured and educated individuals in connection with the Malegaon blasts is an effort to crush Hindus to please Muslim fanatics in the country.”
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"The entire Hindu community should support the Sadhvi, retired Major Ramesh Upadhyay and Samir Kulkarni who are being framed by the ATS,"
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There is a reason why a conscious attempt is made to keep services and men away from the dirty politics . Above case is a classic example of how dangerous it can be for a country if personnel from the armed forces start taking interest and eventually getting involved with the extremist elements.

The services until now have maintained an impeccable image amongst the countrymen and are looked upon with respect (to me this is the most difficult to earn in India).

I am afraid this incident might give opportunity to the likes of 'Hurriyat',JKLF, Arundhati roy and other pseudo-secularists to paint IA as a bad boy in J&K. I believe IA should coordinate with the judiciary and clear this mess asap , people who are found guilty should me made example of .This will not only avoid the likes of Amar/Mulayam/Lallo/Commie brigade from painting IA as a communal service but also send a strong signal among the service personnel to avoid any sort of active participation in political activity.
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Lastly this incident has already provided likes of 'Hindu' and 'TOI' the story to introduce to the world 'Hindu' terrorism , which the evangelists , separatists ,secularists and commies will find no time to latch on.

In a country like India you never know UPA and Co might even order a probe and constitute a committee to round up the IA .
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negi wrote:I believe IA should coordinate with the judiciary and clear this mess asap , people who are found guilty should me made example of .................. Also send a strong signal among the service personnel to avoid any sort of active participation in political activity.
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Very true.... a special court must be commissioned to ensure a speedy trial is conducted and all the guilty are punished without remorse...

Sensible leadership must not give any reason for these pseudo-secular politicians and media any reason to subvert majority interests….
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I don't understand why you guys are so afraid of the media. The media is clearly not impartial so what is the need to go out of the way to earn media's respect. This kind of attitude makes media like a demi-god. Where as convicts like Afzal and Geelani and all sorts of desh drohi''s have been getting royal treatment why do we need an example out of only patriots. Let us not preach double standards when we ourselves are victims of it. I wish nationalists come to power and reign in the secular terrorist media.
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IA doesnt need a certificate from the media about its credentials. if the IA ceased to exist, most of these JNU/DU media would be in the harems of the new sultanate, giving
a ****job to the sultan and his relatives and getting lashes for not being pious enough.
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negi wrote:There is a reason why a conscious attempt is made to keep services and men away from the dirty politics . Above case is a classic example of how dangerous it can be for a country if personnel from the armed forces start taking interest and eventually getting involved with the extremist elements.

The services until now have maintained an impeccable image amongst the countrymen and are looked upon with respect (to me this is the most difficult to earn in India).

I am afraid this incident might give opportunity to the likes of 'Hurriyat',JKLF, Arundhati roy and other pseudo-secularists to paint IA as a bad boy in J&K. I believe IA should coordinate with the judiciary and clear this mess asap , people who are found guilty should me made example of .This will not only avoid the likes of Amar/Mulayam/Lallo/Commie brigade from painting IA as a communal service but also send a strong signal among the service personnel to avoid any sort of active participation in political activity.
.

Lastly this incident has already provided likes of 'Hindu' and 'TOI' the story to introduce to the world 'Hindu' terrorism , which the evangelists , separatists ,secularists and commies will find no time to latch on.

In a country like India you never know UPA and Co might even order a probe and constitute a committee to round up the IA .
Army men are also human and most of them are nationalist. Its a wake up call. We have to wait for the court verdict in this case.
But if GOI doesn't start respecting majority, in future we will see many cases where army men get frustrated and start doing dirty jobs.
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Gurus, if a service professional is involved in such crimes, shouldn't military police be involved in the enquiry?

Isn't court martial the process to follow?
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AFA I understand civilian law machinery takes over for allegations of serious crimes like murder.
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What is deplorable in the media (TV) is that in the Malegaon case the use of the phrase "Army terrorists" or "Army involvement" in terror is liberally being used.This practice is deplorable and condemnable.It insinuates that the entire Indian Army,or those at the top are involved! In a standing armed forces of about 1.5 million,a miniscule few who are alleged to have taken the law into their own hands can never be equated with the concerted war against India using Islamist terror and the serial bombing acts against Indian civilians.Most unfortunately,the army officer and those allegedly involved are being tried by the media and not the courts or proper army authorities.It also appears that deliberate titbits are being leaked by those in charge of the investigation to accomplish a "fait accompli" that those accused are guilty.Unless open,transparent press conferences are made,where questions can also be asked by the media,the current spoon feeding of info about Malegaon and the alleged guilty parties casts serious doubts in the minds of ordinary citizens about the genuiness of the case and the political mileage trying to be obtained by the UPA.The poll by one TV channel,"do you think that this has lowered the reputation of the army?",is also a disgraceful one.It is beyond contempt.Why couldn't they also have a poll about the UPA ministers,who are solidly,openly behind the LTTE ,a proscribed terrorist outfit by the Indian govt. and ask the question,"do you think that such ministers supporting terrorism in the UPA affect its reputation?".

Another report today said that the IM are being funded from abroad.That the masterminds of terror against India are abroad has hardly been disputed.What action then is the govt. taking against these foreign entities and their local cells?
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