J & K news and discussion

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 01 Sep 2010 21:36

Can some one put the data from R Vaidya's article into graphics lik bar and pie charts to show folks who cant read.

sum · Post by **sum** » 01 Sep 2010 23:00

Stan_Savljevic wrote:
sum wrote:Any further news on the encounter where we lost a 6 PARA NCO?
Dont know if we are talking of the same encounter, but satp has this to add:
......

Dammit, the pigs escaped with no losses :

30 hour long encounter finally ends

A major encounter which began over 30 hours ago in the Bandipora forests finally came to an end on Wednesday (September 1). According to official sources, a few terrorists retreated and fled the scene. The army conducted combing operations in order to locate any remaining terrorists who might still be in the area.

The army's commando unit was engaged in a gunbattle with LeT terrorists who managed to sneak in through the Gurez sector in North Kashmir. One security personnel, a JCO was killed in the encounter, while three otheres were reportedly injured.

The Lashkar-e-Taiba terrorists, who managed to sneak in through Gurez sector in north Kashmir, were spotted by police in Adhwatoo area of Bandipora and then the Army was called in, official sources said.

The ensuing gunbattle, which raged for nearly about thirty hours near Viji Nallah, resulted in the casualty of a Junior Commissioned Officer (JCO) Naib Subedar Mahindra Kumar of Six PARA, besides injuries to three others, they said.

1 Para commando KIA + 3 Para commandos injured and not a scratch on the Paki pigs?

rohitvats · Post by **rohitvats** » 01 Sep 2010 23:52

AFAIK, 6 PARA is not SF. But that does not lessen the loss in anyway.

Sanjay M · Post by **Sanjay M** » 02 Sep 2010 00:20

Global warming is melting the glacier that supplies water to the Valley. Let nature take its course - hell, even help it along - and it won't be long before the Valley is unlivable anyway.

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 02 Sep 2010 13:16

India should stop subsidising the ISI’s agents in Kashmir
"Kashmir Romantics" are a serious threat to India
By MD Nalapat

As Dr Rajendra Prasad was not born in Anand Bhavan, his writings have not received the attention of the state, whereas they ought to have been required reading for every high-school student. An example is India Divided, in which the first President of the Republic of India describes how the Muslim League led by MA Jinnah would immediately move on to another demand, as soon as the other one was satiated. The true father of Pakistan was not Jinnah but Winston Churchill, who worked tirelessly to divide Hindus from Muslims, and to truncate India into as much of a rump as could be managed at the time.

http://www.organiser.org/dynamic/module ... 358&page=8

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 02 Sep 2010 16:37

The best possible punishment we can give to these mofos is to let them go and be a part of TSP and enjoy the pakiness and pakistaniyat that hell hole has to offer. But what to do we are dharmic SDRES onlee. We cannot do that, can we?

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 02 Sep 2010 19:02

Regarding stone-pelters from Kashmir

If a child below 18 years comes on the streets and starts pelting stones, I wonder why the authorities do not charge the parents of the kids for abusing their responsibility as a parent, and simply take away the child by force. Put the child in a reeducation center, give him the name Madan Mohan, and do some brainwashing of their own on him, telling them how evil the secessionist Kashmiri Muslims and heir Pakistanis handlers really are.

Once the Kashmiri Muslims hear of what could happen to their children, they will stop sending out any stone-pelters out in the streets.

Allowing these Kashmiri Muslim assholes to manipulate the media cannot be a solution.

If need be, for forsaking their responsibility to raise the child properly, the Indian State can also place heavy fines on the family, and if they cannot pay up, then their house and belongings can also be confiscated.

Time to go on the offensive in the devious way!

jagga · Post by **jagga** » 02 Sep 2010 19:37

My name is Muma Kana and I am not an Ikhwani’

Kana urged the Government to provide passports to the Kashmiris intending to visit Pakistan. “After seeing the ground realities, the Kashmiris can decide whether they want to live with Pakistan or India.

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 03 Sep 2010 11:05

Watch Pankaj Mishra display his diseased mind while performing his usual eunuch dance ... (no offense intended to eunuchs)

Why silence over Kashmir speaks volumes

Bloody protests against military rule get little coverage, while India maintains its reputation

Pankaj Mishra
The Guardian, Saturday 14 August 2010

http://www.guardian.co.uk/theguardian/2 ... r-conflict

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 03 Sep 2010 11:56

HT is testing waters with reports of PMs heart bleeding on Kashmir issue and to make sure he does not loose sleep, he is considering "path breaking" steps to impress Geelani.

We all know what the path-breaking steps are.

Manmeet · Post by **Manmeet** » 04 Sep 2010 20:03

MMS is going to make a big black stain on Sikh community. Some thing that may leave Sikhs never come out of........

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 04 Sep 2010 20:24

Sanku wrote:HT is testing waters with reports of PMs heart bleeding on Kashmir issue and to make sure he does not loose sleep, he is considering "path breaking" steps to impress Geelani.

We all know what the path-breaking steps are.

Sardarji does not have any support in the government or the party.

He is politically hobbled and has acquired a reputation for sharp practices.

Dead ducks can cause embarrassment onlee.

The mood of the aam jantha precludes any rapprochement with the pakis until afghanistan goes off the boil.

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 05 Sep 2010 07:22

Kashmiris defy fanatic barbarian Paki terrorist pig Geelani

Neshant · Post by **Neshant** » 05 Sep 2010 11:47

Suppiah wrote:Kashmiris defy fanatic barbarian Paki terrorist pig Geelani

This provides a good clue as to how the jehad stone throwing culture will evaporate. Basically its due to lazyness and a need to extort things for free from others. The solution is to return the people to doing work instead of giving them handouts and there will be no time for stone throwing antics in the streets. The more free handouts are given, the more they will bite the hand that feeds them because it pays. Do just the opposite.

"We lifted curfew across the Valley and are watching the situation," said Kashmir range IGP S M Sahai. Residents said they felt impelled to defy the separatists' protests. "We opened shops as we've suffered financially the last three months," said Srinagar shopkeeper, Abdul Rahim Dar. Auto-driver Javid Ahmad echoed Dar and said his family, like other daily-wagers, was suffering economic hardships. "I've not earned even Rs 50 in last two months. I had to get back to work for my family's sake," he said.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 05 Sep 2010 11:55

The stone throwing was carefully orchestrated to break the tourist inflow and Amarnath yatra and increase the distance between the Avg Kashmiri and rest people from J&K and other parts of the country.

They can not afford to let people on all sides catch on to the truth about Indian in general, it would be disastrous for the well nurtured psyche of alienation that they have built.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 05 Sep 2010 12:06

All stone pelters under 18 should be taken away from their parents, put in a reeducation camp for at least 2 years, and then depending on the willingness of the parents to take responsibility for the actions of their children, be allowed to return or not!

Manishw · Post by **Manishw** » 05 Sep 2010 12:53

Enough of 'bridging trust deficit's' , paying Jaziya etc. to radical K.M's.It is past time for the G.O.I to bring out the big stick now.

derkonig · Post by **derkonig** » 05 Sep 2010 13:32

^^^^
None of that can happen until the sekoolaar traitors are removed from power & a nationalist govt. takes up the reins in Delhi. The forum therefore must focus on getting the nationalists into power.

Venkarl · Post by **Venkarl** » 05 Sep 2010 15:05

derkonig wrote:^^^^
The forum therefore must focus on getting the nationalists into power.

Which forum?

derkonig · Post by **derkonig** » 05 Sep 2010 15:58

^^
I meant BRF must explore ways to get nationalist forces into power. Periodically this realization seems to dawn upon the posters here about how our national interests are being systematically compromised. Post this realization, there is a brief period of "disenchantment" against those responsible, but soon after its back to normal chalta-hai until the next outrage. All of this is of no use unless there is a concrete plan to weed out the traitors from our political scene. Until then it will always be a repetition of the same, even while each time the motherland sinks deeper & deeper into chaos.

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 05 Sep 2010 16:10

BRF as a forum is apolitical, and its perception of its role is clearly explained here. We have no duty towards the so-called "nationalists", "sekoolarists" or anyone else - especially to support their accession to power.

As stated on the Board Index page, "The Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum is a venue to discuss issues pertaining to India's security environment, her strategic outlook on global affairs and as well as the effect of international relations in the Indian Subcontinent. We request members to kindly stay within the mandate of this forum and keep their exchanges of views, on a civilised level, however vehemently any disagreement may be felt."

Not sure what happened to you derkonig, but you have been skating a thin line of late. Consider this a warning. Adapt please, or banning you may become an unavoidable necessity.

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 05 Sep 2010 16:46

The issue is not who is in power. It is what they do. A so-called nationalist govt may find its hands even more tied because of global perceptions and local left-wing pressure.

If we assume that MMS & Co are not ready to give Kashmir valley (forget about the rest) on a silver plate to Pakbarian animals, (IMHO that assumption is valid), then the current dispensation can be viewed as our own yeevil yindoo brand of taqiya against the ROP fundoos like Geelanipig that are creating this mess. The message is 'we are soft onlee...we are liberal onleee' that does not stop policemen/army from speedily granting the wish of any Kashmiri Pakbarian wannable that wants to be real Pakistani to be so, in the next birth, after he has enjoyed his 72..

Anindya · Post by **Anindya** » 06 Sep 2010 04:50

Concessions are on the way, says HT...

From http://www.hindustantimes.com/News-Feed ... qus_thread

The Centre has sought "guarantees" from the separatists that they will ensure an end to stone throwing, street protests and violence before it announces any concessions in Jammu & Kashmir.

A highly placed source in the state government, who played a pivotal role in bringing hard line Hurriyat leader Syed Ali Shah Geelani to talk about dialogue, told HT: “There’s a willingness in the government to walk the extra mile (to restore peace), but it can’t be a unilateral move. It has to be reciprocated.”

Separately, J&K Chief Minister Omar Abdullah told HT in an exclusive interview: “I will soon be able to offer a package (of measures) to pacify the protesters. I’ve had extensive discussions with home minister (P Chidambaram) and UPA Chairperson Sonia Gandhi and am hopeful we’ll be moving forward on solutions in my meeting with the Prime Minister next weekend.”

However, there is a nagging suspicion that no one, not even Geelani, has the wherewithal to enforce the guarantee sought by the Centre.

Since June 11 this year, a police crackdown on street protests and stone-throwing youth have left 64 people dead and many more wounded. The Centre wants to end this cycle of violence, and is willing to take a risk, but not beyond a point.

The official, who is involved in the behind the scenes preparations for the talks between the government and the separatists, said: “In the absence of such a guarantee, the Centre and the state government feel any concession on demands for diluting the Armed Forces Special Powers Act or its withdrawal from some areas will open the doors for more radical demands.”

In this context, the official recalled the government's "bitter experience earlier this year. Twelve battalions were withdrawn from Kashmir's hinterland, but that did not stop the stone-throwing".

There is, however, a realisation in the government that Geelani, who has been changing his stance often, is now practically hostage to the more radical elements in his organisation. On Friday, he asked the youth to desert him if he parted ways with his known position — an open invitation to radical elements to overrule him if he "compromises his hard line stand". But despite such imponderables, the Centre feels its current initiative may offer the troubled state its best chance of peace

Jarita · Post by **Jarita** » 06 Sep 2010 05:07

^^ There has been a build-up
- Stone throwing
- Leveraging UPA mouthpieces like NDTV to build public opinion in favor of concessions

There is a faction in GOI which is clearly funded by outside groups and may hold others in control through blackmail. There appears to be a strange tension between various factions. Otherwise there is no reason for India to make any concessions now of all times.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 06 Sep 2010 06:08

One party that is clearly lurking in the backgrond pulling the right buttons is without a doubt TSP ISI. So note that concessions shought by TSP's proxies will be such that TSP will gain in some way shape or form. So for e.g., loosening of armed powers act or something similar so that LET can be pusshed. This diabolical game is being played right in front of us, and India is unable to call TSP's bluff for that matter the equally dangerous diseased RNIs like Pankaj Mishra or Barshat Peer or whoever. They never seem to protest TSP's machinations with even a fraction of a fraction of the vigor with which they demonize India.

Airavat · Post by **Airavat** » 06 Sep 2010 07:06

AFSPA for special circumstances

Centre is likely to explore the possibility of phased withdrawal of the AFSPA in three districts of Kashmir region — Srinagar, Budgam and Ganderbal — along with three in the Jammu region — Jammu, Kathua and Samba — where incidents of violence have shown a marked decline, official sources said.

"For special circumstances you require special laws. There are special circumstances in Jammu and Kashmir and that require special laws to deal with it," Army’s Northern Command chief Lieutenant General B S Jaswal said. "My troops are the finest in the world and whatever they do, they do it with good intentions. And if that good intention is questioned time and again, that will make their function difficult. It is very very important that they have AFSPA."

When asked to elaborate on the special circumstances in the State, the GOC-in-C said, "It is self explanatory. The situation which is there. If Army has to get in to carry out searches, etc, you have been seeing the ways they are taking on, in fact the Army for that matter. In case we don’t have this tool for immunity, then who will act."

Dire warning. The Islamists have become more active in the Kashmir region following the six years of PDP misrule, and they will use this opportunity to create more safe houses and bases for the terrorists.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 06 Sep 2010 08:02

Centre may lift AFSPA in Srinagar

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 503265.cms

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 06 Sep 2010 08:17

About Geelani

The second coming

http://www.hindustantimes.com/The-secon ... 96440.aspx

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 06 Sep 2010 08:39

abhishek_sharma wrote:Centre may lift AFSPA in Srinagar

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 503265.cms

Just as I predicted. Notice how carefully these things are calibrated so TSP is kept happy.

sum · Post by **sum** » 06 Sep 2010 08:54

A modest proposal on AFSPA

The Armed Forces (Special Powers) Act has come in for widespread criticism in Jammu and Kashmir, Manipur and other parts of the northeast because of the human rights abuses that have come to be associated with its operation. So strong is the sentiment against AFSPA in Kashmir that in recent months Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, Union Home Minister P. Chidambaram and Jammu and Kashmir Chief Minister Omar Abdullah have all spoken of the need to re-examine the law. The Army, on the other hand, says this is unnecessary.

The Army Chief, General V.K. Singh, has gone so far as to say that the demand for the dilution of AFSPA is being made for “narrow political gains.” On his part, Lt. Gen. B.S. Jaswal, GOC-in-C, Northern Command, has compared the Act to scripture. “I would like to say that the provisions of AFSPA are very pious to me and I think to the entire Indian Army. We have religious books, there are certain guidelines which are given there, but all the members of the religion do not follow it, they break it also … does it imply that you remove the religious book …?”

On paper, AFSPA is a deceptively simple law. First passed in 1958, it comes into play when the government declares a particular part of the northeast (or Jammu and Kashmir under a parallel 1990 law) a “disturbed area.” Within that area, an officer of the armed forces has the power to “fire upon or otherwise use force, even to the causing of death, against any person who is acting in contravention of any law or order for the time being in force in the disturbed area prohibiting the assembly of five or more persons or the carrying of weapons or of things capable of being used as weapons or of fire-arms, ammunition or explosive substances.”

Even though activists have made this the focus of their criticism, giving soldiers the “right to kill” is not, in my opinion, AFSPA's principal flaw. After all, if a ‘law and order' situation has arisen which compels the government to deploy the Army, soldiers have to be allowed to use deadly force. Even a private citizen has the right to kill someone in self-defence, though the final word on the legality of her or his action belongs to the courts. Similarly, a civilised society expects that the use of deadly force by the Army must at all times be lawful, necessary and proportionate. Here, the Act suffers from two infirmities: the requirement of prior sanction for prosecution contained in Section 6 often comes in the way when questions arise about the lawfulness of particular actions. Second, AFSPA does not distinguish between a peaceful gathering of five or more persons (even if held in contravention of Section 144 of the Criminal Procedure Code) and a violent mob. Firing upon the latter may sometimes be justified by necessity; shooting into a peaceful assembly would surely fail any test of reasonableness.

Leaving this issue aside, however, it is important to recognise that AFSPA does not give an officer the unqualified right to fire upon and cause the death of any person in a Disturbed Area. At a minimum, that person should have been carrying weapons or explosives. The shooting of an unarmed individual, and the killing of a person in custody, are not acts that are permissible under AFSPA. Force is allowed in order to arrest a suspect but the fact that the Act authorises the use of “necessary” rather than “deadly” force in such a circumstance means the tests of necessity and proportionality must be met.

Over the years that AFSPA has been in operation, the Army has opened fire countless times and killed hundreds, if not thousands, of people. Whenever those killed have been armed insurgents or terrorists, there has been little or no public clamour against the Act. It is only when the armed forces violate the provisions of the law and indulge in the unlawful killing of persons — especially unarmed civilians — that voices get raised against AFSPA. The protests in Manipur in 2004 reached a crescendo because of the death in custody of Th. Manorama and scores of others like her. In Kashmir, sentiments against the Armed Forces Act got inflamed because of fake encounter incidents like Pathribal and Macchhil.

If today people are questioning General Jaswal's “religious book,” it is not so much because of its provisions as because of the failure of its custodians to act when the law is flouted. The Lord's Word threatens sinners with fire and brimstone, eternal damnation or the endless cycle of births and deaths. But AFSPA holds out no such horrors for the soldiers who violate its provisions. Section 6 says “no prosecution … shall be instituted, except with the previous sanction of the Central government, against any person in respect of anything done or purported to be done in exercise of the powers conferred by this Act.” This requirement confers de facto impunity on all transgressors. Thus the CBI may have indicted army officers for the murder of innocent civilians at Pathribal in 2000 but their trial cannot take place because the Central government refuses to give sanction. What is worse, the Minister concerned does not even have to give any reasons.

The ostensible logic behind this Section, a variant of which can be found in Section 197 of the CrPC and in many Indian laws, is to protect public servants from frivolous or vexatious law suits. But though it has not ruled on the ambit of AFSPA's Section 6, the Supreme Court has often declared that the object of Section 197-type protection is not to set an official above the common law. “If he commits an offence not connected with his official duty he has no privilege.”

In the Pathribal case, the CBI took the view that abducting and killing unarmed civilians in cold blood could not be considered part of “official duty.” Not only did the MoD reject this logic, it moved the Supreme Court for quashing of the case on the ground that it has not granted sanction to prosecute. At no time has it been asked to furnish reasons for denying sanction.

A government which has faith in the actions of its officers and the robustness of its judicial system ought never to shy away from allowing the courts to step in when doubts arise. And yet, in case after case, legal proceedings get stymied by the denial of official sanction.

Section 6 could thus be amended to read: “No prosecution … shall be instituted against any person in respect of anything done or purported to be done in exercise of the powers conferred by this Act where the Central government provides reasons in writing and the competent court upholds the legal validity of these reasons.”

Such a provision would prevent good officers from being prosecuted for killings which result from acts of good faith while allowing the bad apples to be prosecuted for their crimes. The government would still have the right to intervene on behalf of a soldier who has committed an illegal act. But this would require a Minister to take personal responsibility for a decision that would, after all, be tantamount to denying justice to the victim's family. In the Pathribal case, for example, Defence Minister A.K. Antony would be compelled to inform the trial court of his reasons for opposing the prosecution of soldiers indicted by the CBI for murder. And the court would get to rule on whether Mr. Antony's reasons were valid or not.

There is no reason why this inversion of the “previous sanction” provision cannot be replicated across the board in all Indian laws to cover situations where human rights abuses are alleged. Such a provision would not disturb the basic provisions of AFSPA. But it would bring that “religious book” in closer conformity with an even holier tome, the Constitution of India.

Now that the sounding board of the GoI, SV has spoken ( written!!) , i am 1000% sure that the exact same things that he has written in this article ( Article 6 being modified etc) will be changed in the AFSPA...

Sad that the GoI has to bow to Paki funded stooges!

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 06 Sep 2010 10:45

Guys,

Just a request, please wait for the GOI to come up with actual proposal before going on the offencive against MMS, Sonia, Kangers, etc.

Reason I make this request is simple. If in the dark days of the 1990s they did not budge on this subject then. They are not going to make any major concessiosns to the terrorists today.

Also I will bring to the attention the Parliamentry resolution on J&K. It has to be honoured by the GOI.

As far as AFSPA is concerned. Let people write what they want to write about it. The deployment of the army is Illegal without it. Also any dilution of its provisions will make the act useless. As far as the deployement of the Army is concerned.

So am confident that ti will not be diluted, in a major way.

JMT.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 06 Sep 2010 10:48

Wow, these guys are pure geniuses, so now when the security forces are attacked they will send a written request to New Delhi and wait for a written response.

Till then the Terrorists and their sympathizers are supposed to wait and watch.

This is pretty much a death warrant for Indian forces, ack thoo on anyone who thought of this and on those who bat for this.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 06 Sep 2010 10:58

Sanku,

That is precisly the reason why the AFSPA will not be diluted. The people writing against it have no idea, for what conditions and situations the act was enacted. Any area where the AFSPA has to be implimented is an area whech has suffred an a major breakdown of constitutional order. Which is what makes the deployment of the army nesessary, in order to restore the Indian constitution.

In this situation, making it toothless will serve no purpose. At least where the Indian state is dealing with a total break down in the loacl law and order situation is concerned.

So I don't foresee any major change in the AFSPA.

JMT

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 06 Sep 2010 11:04

Pratyush, I dont share your confidence on the ruling dispensation, these are the people who go to international junkets and announce "my heart bleeds for Pakistan issues with terrorism" when Pakistan is killing Indians by 100s back home. If not for the institutional inertia of Indian establishments the nation would be already a basket case with every organization behaving like CBI.

These are dark days, lets just hope that the storm passes without causing too much damage -- to hope that things will or will not happen based on whether they are right for the country is completely misplaced optimism. For my part I am merely keeping a tab of damages to India and its institutions that will have to be repaired when better people are at helm. (and the list is long)

sum · Post by **sum** » 06 Sep 2010 11:43

Pratyush wrote:Sanku,

That is precisly the reason why the AFSPA will not be diluted. The people writing against it have no idea, for what conditions and situations the act was enacted. Any area where the AFSPA has to be implimented is an area whech has suffred an a major breakdown of constitutional order. Which is what makes the deployment of the army nesessary, in order to restore the Indian constitution.

In this situation, making it toothless will serve no purpose. At least where the Indian state is dealing with a total break down in the loacl law and order situation is concerned.

So I don't foresee any major change in the AFSPA.

JMT

I don't somehow share your confidence going by the shrill trial balloons being floated by the UPA-II mouthpieces, Hindu( SV) and NDTV ( Burkha) ...

sum · Post by **sum** » 06 Sep 2010 13:08

In between the gloom, some good news:
JeM chief killed in encounter

Militant outfit Jaish-e-Mohammad chief Umar Khatab was killed and an army jawan wounded in a fierce gunbattle in Jammu and Kashmir’s Poonch district today.

Khatab was killed in the gunfight with security forces in Bhatti-Dar area at Mendhar early this morning, Brigadier General Staff (BGS), 16 Coprs, S. Dua told PTI.

Acting on a specific information that some militants were hiding in Bhatti-Dar area, Rashtriya Rifles troops and police launched a search-and-cordon operation.

During the searches, militants fired at security forces who retaliated triggering a fierce gunbattle in which Khatab was killed and an army jawan wounded, Brigadier Dua said.

Khatab had taken over as JeM head after the killing of its former chiefs, Dawood and Fazal, in separate encounters with security forces in Poonch district last year.

During the gunbattle which was still raging, militant Jabeer and three ultra sympathisers were apprehended.

Two AK rifles, a Chinese pistol, a grenade and two magazines and Rs. 62,000 (Indian currency) were recovered from the scene.

2 years, 3 chiefs of JeM dispatched to meet their 72.

Good work, security forces...May the power be with you!!

Nihat · Post by **Nihat** » 06 Sep 2010 17:56

The AFSPA has to go sometime, perhaps it is a chance for the people of the Valley to show the rest of the nation wether they are capable of being civilized people or not or they are forever destined to be stone throwing religious animals.

This is probably as good a chance as any, if the stone pelting cotinues unabted for the next 6 months to an year or so and militancy shown even a semblence of reviving then the act should be back in all its force again.

Stan_Savljevic · Post by **Stan_Savljevic** » 06 Sep 2010 18:02

sum wrote: 2 years, 3 chiefs of JeM dispatched to meet their 72.

Boss, look out for Abdullah Yuni, he is the LeT "chief" who has been eluding the folks for a couple of years now. SATP has been crying hoarse on the Yuni fellow. Also, till Masarat Alam is arrested, the "flower"-brigade will still have oomph.

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 06 Sep 2010 18:29

A legal question - when enemy forces enter India openly or secretly, as happened in kargil, which act or law guides the armed forces? AFPSA? Can they be prosecuted for killing a Paki soldier, armed/unarmed/uniformed/otherwise? Just apply same rules...no need for act onlee...remember, no formal war was declared on Pakistan during kargil, so there is no question of war-time provisions etc.

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 06 Sep 2010 18:35

I think Stalinist rapist goon puppet yellow journalists are launching an attack on Gen. Jaswal primarily because they want to make their paymasters in Beijing look good and proper for refusing visa. Look at it from that perspective and any irrelevant comment by foreign journalists that pretend to be Indian will be seen in context..

As we all know, in India, most people, including policemen, rarely come to rescue of accident victims, even if they are lying half dead on the street and hospitals refuse to take them, because of red tape. Treacherous yellows want Indian army soldiers to be put in same position - having to keep their guns in their pockets, even as they are assaulted and killed.