1. No one is crying out US arm sales to pakis ,only freebies
US freebies, have strings, More Pakistan takes the better. Also, Purchased and copied arms(which Russia doesnt do anything about) kills as much as Freebies.
So please explain how these strings help India ? The strings are to protect US. Why will US give away TOW missiles, LGB kits etc and ask them to not use against India?? Who will pakistan use them against?
At least by buying the arms they can't afford, forcing them on the downward spiral much faster!
Kavu wrote:For their own benefit not ours, There is more , take 1965. IF they are our friends, why stop at E.Pak
For their own benefit?? Have you even read about the incident or what the Russian admiral said? Do you even know that Russia used their veto in the security council for our benefit which US and UK was pushing for? Talk about clutching at straws here!!
4. People may be living off US economy, but no one is advocating cutting all ties with US. They in fact encourage more US-India trade, but only limit the defence purchases due to US sanctions and their fickle policies that change with each president
Quite selective isnt it
Yup, I wonder who would like to purchase from someone who can use it later to put pressure on you, or rather put sanctions and don't even offer spares. I think the seaking helicopters were grounded because IN was too lazy to repair them
And withholding all the LCA related FCS that India was working on with LM, that too was probably because we didnt pay them!
5. Whether people know you from your handle or not doesn't matter to many forumites. What matters is your arguments and facts. Like you yourself mentioned, compared to us losers, you have a life off the internet. So reading here once in a blue moon and making assumptions out of that limited reading makes you post your invalid assumptions that people here challenge. So you resort to calling majority Indians as foolish. I don't know if you include yourself into it or not
There is nothing to assume huge leeway is given to Russia, the amount damage Russians have done to Indian Defense Industries to keep their market as well as done to the Indian Armed Forces capability through faulty products, delays, price increases, and not to mention corrupt practices to sell T-90 and Gorshkov and various others down the Indian Tax Payers throat is appalling all the while arming China to the teeth., It is quite evident about which tune this forums sings, I wouldnt say the about the Forum admins though. Therefore it must be a reflective of the Indian Populace, if that is the case, yes they are foolish, most of'em.
And I guess that includes you too
You also need to remember that other countries wouldn't sell their wares to India at that time, or the credits that Russia offered India. Please read up more on the AN-32 purchase, it is available on BR. Also, did you read about Adm Mehta's statements that no one else offered us an aircraft carrier, and that at $2 billion, it was still cheaper compared to alternatives?
And all defence manufacturers indulge in bribery and corruption, and here we are ourselves to blame. Even Bofors and HDW had corruption scandals, and quite a few companies including Denel were blacklisted.
People have taken Russia to task when required. So claiming that Russia is favored is plain wrong.
6. Russia has helped India in many defence and space projects and are continuing to do it in projects like Arihant etc. Similarly the french too weren't against India after the 1998 tests. Given the fact that even recently, Admiral Mullen, the joint CoS of US forces was calling for putting more pressure on India to resolve disputes with Pakistan, giving more leverage to US is foolish.
Russia has done all it has, all for a price. Nothing more, and also since we keep a blind eye to China. Others dont, since they dont need our money. While Russians do.
Ok, let us accept your argument that Russia did it for a price. Now, pray educate us on why US won't even do it even if we pay it?? Why are some of our defence and space establishments still under US sanctions? We weren't begging like the pakis to give us free stuff, we offered to buy it at market rates.
Will the US offer us cryogenic engines if we pay them? Will they help us with the nuclear submarine design and construction if we pay them?