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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby NRao » 27 Apr 2009 20:55

gauravsurati wrote:Their Servers IP addresses normally reside in class D IP range. Which is different from our home or office IP addresses. This makes them complete different entity from the world outside. Not sure about MoD but Pentagon must be practising this. But I would suspect if someone says its got full proof security. There is always one or the other way. Even major companies practise something called demiliterized zone (DMZ) in their networks making hacker feel they have cracked into something serious but still far from secret stuff..kind of honeytrap. :wink:


DMZ, etc are trivial stuff. Def has rather sophisticated stuff. I think this was a set up. Nothing classified got out as far as I know.

Anyways, topic out of scope for this thread. Need to wind down.

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby H.B.Krishna » 27 Apr 2009 21:52

gauravsurati wrote:Their Servers IP addresses normally reside in class D IP range. Which is different from our home or office IP addresses. This makes them complete different entity from the world outside. Not sure about MoD but Pentagon must be practising this. But I would suspect if someone says its got full proof security. There is always one or the other way. Even major companies practise something called demiliterized zone (DMZ) in their networks making hacker feel they have cracked into something serious but still far from secret stuff..kind of honeytrap. :wink:


As if Class D ip range is a alien one and entire NCW will be hosted in M$ Windows and Tomcat :lol:
The defense networks will have to be secured at the bottom physical layer itself, and every layer upwards. Forget hacking, what is the use of NCW if it is not jam proof?

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby Rakesh » 28 Apr 2009 07:42

U.S., India, and Japan Open Malabar 2009
http://www.c7f.navy.mil/news/2009/04-April/18.htm

The United States will be represented by the 7th Fleet flagship USS Blue Ridge (LCC 19), guided missile destroyers Fitzgerald and USS Chafee (DDG 90), fast attack submarine USS Seawolf (SSN 21), and various P-3C Orion and SH-60 Seahawk aircraft.


The first time the US Navy is sending one of their most advanced attack subs for a Malabar exercise.

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby Nihat » 28 Apr 2009 11:44

Has there been any recent News on the Advance Technology Vessel , which was initially supposed to be launched for Sea Trials in Jan. 09 but got delayed till May.

Has it been delayed further?

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby keizer » 28 Apr 2009 11:56

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NEWS/news ... wsid=10783

Lockheed Martin briefs Indian Navy on Aegis missile defence system

Delhi, April 23 (IANS) US aerospace major Lockheed Martin has briefed the Indian Navy on its ship-mounted Aegis ballistic missile defence system and is also open to integrating it with indigenously developed armament, company officials said Thursday.
“We have briefed the Indian Navy on what is the only system that can cope with the highest state-of-the art threats,” Dan Howard, Lockheed Martin’s senior advisor for Asia and Pacific affairs, said at a select media interaction here.

“As for the response, that’s something you’ll have to ask the Indian Navy about,” he added.

Howard also said the company was open to collaborating with India’s Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) on integrating its Prithvi Air Defence Shield (PADS) with the Aegis launcher and command and control system.

“Yes, we are open to collaborative measures. It all depends on what you (the Indian Navy and DRDO) want,” the official said.

The Aegis system, explained Richard G. Kirkland, president for South Asia of Lockheed Martin Global Inc., “is not meant to defend the ship it is mounted on but tasked to defend a broad area of sea lanes”.

He pointed out that 14 successful tests of the Aegis system had been conducted so far to intercept incoming targets within and outside the earth’s atmosphere, including one in November 2007 in which two short-range ballistic missiles were near simultaneously intercepted and destroyed.

And, in February 2008, a long-range missile fired from a specially-modified Aegis system successfully shot down a toxic US satellite with a precision strike that ensured that no “hot” debris fell earthwards.

“We completed the modification in 60 days,” Kirkland pointed out.

The Aegis system can track more than 100 missiles with its electronic systems and supercomputers, and engage them according to their threat priority.

It can engage, and strike, targets in the air, on sea, on the surface, and also sub-surface. The system’s command and decision-making core allows its computers to differentiate between missiles, debris, and friendly aerial vehicles, launching an attack only on what needs to be attacked.

Apart from the US Navy, the Aegis system is operational on Japanese, South Korean, Norwegian, Spanish and Australian naval vessels.

It is currently deployed on 85 ships around the globe with more than 20 additional ships planned or under contract.

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby AmitR » 28 Apr 2009 18:52

keizer wrote:............


American trolls have overrun BR forums. Not sure why this troll is being tolerated by the mods.
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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby Nikhil T » 29 Apr 2009 00:03

@AmitR
The same news was posted by the admins in the news section, so no trolling here :). And can you please not quote the whole article while posting something. Its a pain to scroll for a one-liner comment.

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby p_saggu » 29 Apr 2009 01:13

Rakesh wrote:U.S., India, and Japan Open Malabar 2009

The United States will be represented by the ... fast attack submarine USS Seawolf (SSN 21), and various P-3C Orion and SH-60 Seahawk aircraft.


The first time the US Navy is sending one of their most advanced attack subs for a Malabar exercise.

I am impressed, this looks like the US is pulling out all stops in interacting with India. In a decade, US India relations in all spheres, Military, business and trade, scientific co-operation have the potential to rival those between the US and Britain.

OR

Because the seawolf is a super snooper, sent in to lend its sensitive ears to further mapping the acoustic signature and the post tsunami changed sea bed geography.

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby svinayak » 29 Apr 2009 05:19

p_saggu wrote:
I am impressed, this looks like the US is pulling out all stops in interacting with India.

THis means that US navy was surprised by the PRC Navy and what it unveiled recently. They need an alliance which can take on the PRC navy in SC sea and IOR

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby Vick » 29 Apr 2009 05:26

Man, I'm so tempted to say something right now but will hold my tongue. I love it when I'm right though!

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby Singha » 29 Apr 2009 07:03

sent in to lend its sensitive ears to further mapping the acoustic signature and the post tsunami changed sea bed geography.

they have a few specialized subs and ships for doing that (one of which got tagged by
PRC recently). if any mapping is desired by submarine, they do it quietly not sending it via
a exercise.

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby Rakesh » 29 Apr 2009 07:43

I am tempted to think along the first scenario that p_saggu mentioned, but I believe the USS Seawolf will not leave the area even after the exercise is over. Snooping on the Indian Navy's upgraded Kilo boats could be one possibility. Or perhaps USS Seawolf has just returned from snooping on the PRC's new boats and just happens to be in the vicinity of the Malabar exercise. It could be something as simple as that.

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby Austin » 29 Apr 2009 16:45

Interesting USS Sea Wolf presence in the exercise , this would be a nice chance for the Russians to send their Akula-2 to snoop test its sesors/sonars against one of the quietest SSN in the ocean.

The IN is besides other ship represented by a Delhi class DDG , so they will have some ASW training with Sea Wolf , no submarine from Indian Side

Exercise Malabar 09

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby chetak » 29 Apr 2009 23:57

Austin wrote:Interesting USS Sea Wolf presence in the exercise , this would be a nice chance for the Russians to send their Akula-2 to snoop test its sesors/sonars against one of the quietest SSN in the ocean.

The IN is besides other ship represented by a Delhi class DDG , so they will have some ASW training with Sea Wolf , no submarine from Indian Side

Exercise Malabar 09



You can bet your boots that there will surely be uninvited russian, chinese and paki presence during Exercise Malabar 09.

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby putnanja » 30 Apr 2009 00:54

Rakesh wrote:I am tempted to think along the first scenario that p_saggu mentioned, but I believe the USS Seawolf will not leave the area even after the exercise is over. Snooping on the Indian Navy's upgraded Kilo boats could be one possibility. Or perhaps USS Seawolf has just returned from snooping on the PRC's new boats and just happens to be in the vicinity of the Malabar exercise. It could be something as simple as that.


Very true, with the new sensitive electronics on board, the seawolf is snooping on India too, no doubt about that.

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby Nikhil T » 30 Apr 2009 01:42

chetak wrote:
Austin wrote:Interesting USS Sea Wolf presence in the exercise , this would be a nice chance for the Russians to send their Akula-2 to snoop test its sesors/sonars against one of the quietest SSN in the ocean.
You can bet your boots that there will surely be uninvited russian, chinese and paki presence during Exercise Malabar 09.


It doesn't matter if Sea Wolf gets some of our signatures, what matters is - if they do pass it on to Pukis or not. (passing to China seems out of question)

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby NRao » 30 Apr 2009 01:58

Is there anyone who does NOT snoop on another? India being an exception.

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby Anurag » 30 Apr 2009 04:07

NRao wrote:Is there anyone who does NOT snoop on another? India being an exception.


Sure sure...
:twisted: :mrgreen: 8) :rotfl:

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby Austin » 30 Apr 2009 09:47

chetak wrote:You can bet your boots that there will surely be uninvited russian, chinese and paki presence during Exercise Malabar 09.


Pakis lack the reach and Chinese would love to be there but lack the technological sophistication to track top notch US subs and very capable Indian and Japanese ships.

The Russians on the other had has the capability and strategic interest to snoop on the exercise , specially when the presence of Sea Wolf is well advertised in advance and Pacific being its backyard.

It wont be surprising to see a Akula 2 or an Oscar 2 snooping on its prime target USN SeaWolf.

Since IN is not represented by any Sub ( IN would any way will not bring a Kilo in any Indo-US exercise for its own well being ) so signature gathering is not a prime concern.

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby narayana » 30 Apr 2009 11:47

Sorry if posted before,2 month old pic of Vikramaditya,seems to be in Good shape :)
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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby SivaVijay » 30 Apr 2009 19:10

Lockheed Martin briefs Indian Navy on Aegis missile defence system


Will the Indian weapon systems be brought under a unified command where US will have direct control on our weapons :eek: :( or will the control be under Indian navy ? If it is going to be under Indian navy how will then US control it? through possible backdoors in the system unknown to us.... :shock: ? I am little lost here..... :oops: :oops:

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby kit » 30 Apr 2009 20:29

My info is a bit dated and i dont remember all details but during Kargil the French ( or US) did manage to prevent IAF from using some of the weaponry bought from them.Israelis did help out here.If I remember right one of the (american and a french plane too ?) from one their battle groups in West Asia were over Indian territory at one time, incident was not made much of though.Sorry if i seem to be a bit vague here.

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby wig » 30 Apr 2009 20:46

i cannot recall where i read it- it was long ago; during kargil 1999- the french navy's nuclear powered aircraft carrier charles de gaulle spent most of the time in the arabian sea and airplanes from this carrier were flying some kind of monitoring patrols. Gurulog could probably elucidate more on the naval doctrine and the exact nuances of what the french navy were up too.

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby Rakesh » 01 May 2009 08:21

Two shots of a model of a Project 28 Class ASW corvette.

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NAVY/Project28.html

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby SivaVijay » 01 May 2009 11:07

Wasn't this supposed to be stealth? Is this stealth enough for picketing? :-? gurus please shed some light......

The VLS cluster in the rear is it AA or Ash...(looks like AA)? If it either what about the other....? You need something better than the aft gun against surface threats though it is specific to ASW?

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby Vishal_Bhatia » 01 May 2009 11:14

Sorry for going off-topic...

Can anybody shed light on the IN, PLAN and USN submarine incident that happened near the Indonesian coast (or some where in that region; I'm not too sure) just when the earthquake that caused the 2004 Indian Ocean Tsunami occurred?

Thanks in advance, and apologies if this is not apt.

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby John » 02 May 2009 04:03

SivaVijay wrote:Wasn't this supposed to be stealth? Is this stealth enough for picketing? :-? gurus please shed some light......

The VLS cluster in the rear is it AA or Ash...(looks like AA)? If it either what about the other....? You need something better than the aft gun against surface threats though it is specific to ASW?

Wasn't supposed to be stealthy, it is ASW corvette and low budget (price tag is about 4 for 600 million IIRC). The VLS cluster is Barak SAM.

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby Prem Kumar » 02 May 2009 08:23



Interesting article, though towards the end I felt the author meanders along without making a point. I always read Hindu articles looking to filter out its obvious "pro-China & pro-commie" tilt. Its gotten significantly worse & the newspaper has gone downhill ever since N. Ram took over. Exceptions are reports by TSS.

I will stop now at the risk of going OT

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby Rakesh » 02 May 2009 21:44

New Image added in Tomasz Grotnik's naval art album;

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NAVY/Gall ... t/Grotnik/

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby Rakesh » 04 May 2009 00:17

Exercise Malabar 2009 is over as of today (May 03rd). Please click on the link below to view images;

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NAVY/Gall ... 9/Malabar/

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby HarshS » 04 May 2009 11:21

Interesting that many of the Malabar photos have been taken by a Cynthia Griggs, Mass Communications Specialist, 2nd class (and one's by another person, 3rd class).

The USN certainly has fascinating specializations. Wonder when IN will have a similar specialization?

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby Gaurav_S » 04 May 2009 12:13

Couple of photos found. I hope am not breaking any copyright rules.

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PACIFIC OCEAN (May 2, 2009)--Rear Admiral Anurag G. Thapliyal, Flag Officer Commanding Eastern Naval Command (FOCEF) and Rear Admiral Hitoshi Noguchi from the Japan Maritime Self Defense Force (JMSDF) shake hands as they are escorted by Vice Admiral John M. Bird, Commander U.S. 7th Fleet, on the flight deck of amphibious command ship USS Blue Ridge (LCC 19). The admirals were aboard for breakfast in the Admiral's cabin in conclusion of Exercise Malabar 2009. The Japan Maritime Self Defense Force (JMSDF) and U.S. Navy are participating in Malabar, an annual exercise led by the Indian Navy. Blue Ridge is commanded by Capt. Thom W. Burke and serves under Commander, Expeditionary Strike Group (ESG) 7/Task Force (CTF) 76, the Navy's only forward deployed amphibious force. Blue Ridge is the flagship for Commander, U.S. 7th Fleet. Task Force 76 is headquartered at White Beach Naval Facility, Okinawa, Japan, with an operating detachment in Sasebo, Japan. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 3rd Class Daniel Viramontes/Released) 090502-N-7280V-023


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PACIFIC OCEAN (May 1, 2009) - Lt. Cdr. Hemanth Gopal, right, of the Indian Navy talks with Sailors aboard amphibious command ship USS Blue Ridge (LCC 19) during a Visit, Board, Search and Seizure (VBSS) drill as part of Exercise Malabar 2009. The Japan Maritime Self Defense Force (JMSDF) and U.S. Navy are participating in Malabar, an annual exercise led by the Indian Navy. Blue Ridge is commanded by Capt. Thom W. Burke and serves under Commander, Expeditionary Strike Group (ESG) 7/Task Force (CTF) 76, the Navy's only forward deployed amphibious force. Blue Ridge is the flagship for Commander, U.S. 7th Fleet. Task Force 76 is headquartered at White Beach Naval Facility, Okinawa, Japan, with an operating detachment in Sasebo, Japan. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 3rd Class Daniel Viramontes/Released)

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby Gaurav_S » 04 May 2009 12:20

HarshS wrote:Interesting that many of the Malabar photos have been taken by a Cynthia Griggs, Mass Communications Specialist, 2nd class (and one's by another person, 3rd class).

The USN certainly has fascinating specializations. Wonder when IN will have a similar specialization?


Mass Communication Specialist are only with USN. Their main task is to maintain public relations via audio/video content. As USN undertakes many exercises with various navies in a year their special MCS need is justified. Myself not 100% sure if other major navies have such specialist.

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby Rakesh » 04 May 2009 18:54

gauravsurati wrote:
HarshS wrote:Interesting that many of the Malabar photos have been taken by a Cynthia Griggs, Mass Communications Specialist, 2nd class (and one's by another person, 3rd class).

The USN certainly has fascinating specializations. Wonder when IN will have a similar specialization?


Mass Communication Specialist are only with USN. Their main task is to maintain public relations via audio/video content. As USN undertakes many exercises with various navies in a year their special MCS need is justified. Myself not 100% sure if other major navies have such specialist.


Well seeing how India has regular exercises such as SIMBEX, MILAN, MALABAR et al....we too need to get such specialists. It is really sad that in this day & age, I have to visit a US Navy website to get pictures of the Indian Navy. For crying out loud, even Pakistan knows how to wield the 'public relations' flag and they use it to great advantage.

gauravsurati: Nice Images...where did you get them from? US 7th Fleet website?

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby Rakesh » 04 May 2009 19:12

gauravsurati:The images you added are indeed from the US 7th Fleet website. However, I am looking for a large sized image of the second photograph. Can you please provide the link? Thanks.

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby Gaurav_S » 04 May 2009 19:15

Flickr, looks like commander of 7th Fleet also has access to Internet.

http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=exercise+malabar+2009

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby Rakesh » 04 May 2009 20:22

Thanks Gaurav. I actually got that picture from the US Pacific Command website. The US Armed Forces really know how to put up a show! I have updated the Malabar '09 gallery again with the new images. Take a look;

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NAVY/Gall ... 9/Malabar/

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby rkhanna » 05 May 2009 01:26

Notice the Helmets on the Indian VBSS Team.. Not bad for a change.


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