India-US News and Discussion

[putnanja]

ofcourse! the CIA has supreme control and authority on the Air Forces of all nations on the planet. GOD, the CIA has taken over the entire world? the program was being led by the local govt. the CIA were acting as advisers or helpers at best. if the local air force wanted to so something on their sovereign territory, there's not much the CIA can do. they clearly said, "stop" several times. i'm not sure what else those CIA officers could possibly do, other than pointing guns at the peruvian pilots...which would have been suicide.

Prad, did you read the transcript fully? This is what the transcipt says...

"Tell him to terminate," says one of the CIA operatives to the Peruvian ground contact. " No. Don't Shoot. No more, no mas."

The Peruvian ground contact shouts at the pilot, "Stop! No mas, no mas, Tucan no more."

"God," says one of the CIA pilots.

My question is, if CIA was sure, why didn't they say so earlier? Read the transcript again, it was the CIA which alerted the Peruvian AF. Once CIA had doubts, they then asked the Peruvians if they were sure!!! Finally, after hearing screams, they told the Peruvian contact to stop which they did.

Please read the transcript and understand what I am trying to say before making sarcastic comments

[ramana]

Philip, You shouldn't have posted that in this thread as its not on topic. It could be in the Intel thread but even there it could be off topic.
And folks please stop discussion on that subject. One off topic post and folks follow like lemmings.

jarita, If you find out post here.

[pgbhat]

edit: saw ramana's post.

[Philip]

Sorry guys.I couldn't seem to find a suitable thread.In retrospect,poss. the Intl.Mil thread.The intriguing point is that such ops are currently being carried out in the Af-Pak region,where secret black project aircraft are being used by the CIA/US in similar ops,where the targets are the AL Q mob and the Talibs.There have been several controversial attacks killing hundreds of Afghan civilians.It appears that the US has learnt nothing and is playing true to form.

In Haiti,the US "missionaries" have been caught trying to allegedly kidnap children.I personally saw in the aftermath iof the tsunami,a uniformed army of US NGOs at work in southern Sri Lanka.They brought with them no aid nor relief and locals on investigating their "work" found them doing "counselling"! The same gameplan was in the pot for the lucky Iraqis,where an army of Christian soldiers were waiting to descend upon the hapless Iraqis and convert them.However,the insurgency put paid to that plot.The funding of suspicious Indian religious outfits by US "missionaries" should be carefully watched.

US missionaries charged with child kidnapping in Haiti

Ten American missionaries arrested in Haiti for trying to take 33 children out of the country after last month's earthquake have been charged with child kidnapping and criminal association

Ten American missionaries arrested in Haiti for trying to take 33 children out of the country after last month's earthquake were charged today with child kidnapping and criminal association.

The group, most of whom are members of an Idaho-based church group, were sent back to jail today after a closed court hearing in the Haitian capital, Port-au-Prince.

Their lawyer, Edwin Coq, said that the judge had found sufficient evidence to file charges against his clients, who were arrested last Friday at Haiti's border with the Dominican Republic while trying to take the busload of ­children out of the country without documents or permission.

He said that under Haiti's legal system, there will not be an open trial, but that a judge will consider the evidence. It could take the judge three months to render a verdict, he added.

Each of the kidnapping counts carries a possible sentence of five to 15 years in prison.

One of missionaries, Laura Silsby, told reporters as she entered the court: "We expect God's will be done. And we will be released."

The group, who were being held at the headquarters of Haiti's judicial police, deny they were engaged in child trafficking and said they were just trying to help some of the thousands of orphans left destitute and abandoned by the 12 January earthquake.

They have been described as "kidnappers" by Haiti's prime minister, Jean-Max Bellerive, who said that they "knew what they were doing was wrong".

On Thursday, a mother in a remote village outside ­Haiti's main earthquake zone told reporters how she allowed her twin sons to be taken by the missionaries because they promised to provide a life of hope and opportunity for her children.

Maggie Moise, who has eight children, said she was contacted by a local man who works in an orphanage in the village of Calebasse, an hour and a half's drive from the centre of Port-au-Prince, and was told that "some white people" wanted to help her family.

"They said they wanted to go with our children and told us 'don't worry, everything will be fine'," she said.

The Baptists said they had planned to take abandoned children orphaned in the earthquake and raise them at a new orphanage in the Dominican Republic. But according to locals, none of the children taken from Calebasse were orphans nor even particularly desperate. Few houses in the village have suffered any damage in the quake.

[CRamS]

Philip:

Please update me on this as I haven't been following it closely. Usually the anglo saxon missionaries want to 'save souls' by converting, brainwashing, and showing how much superior Christianity is over pagan religions etc. But kinship with the blacks is furtherest on their minds. To that end, what is the motive behind trying to kidnap black kids? White kids from Eastern Europe, Russia etc; its a different story. I am puzzled as to why Lily white missionaries from Idaho would want black kids.

[svinayak]

Philip:

Please update me on this as I haven't been following it closely. Usually the anglo saxon missionaries want to 'save souls' by converting, brainwashing, and showing how much superior Christianity is over pagan religions etc. But kinship with the blacks is furtherest on their minds. To that end, what is the motive behind trying to kidnap black kids? White kids from Eastern Europe, Russia etc; its a different story. I am puzzled as to why Lily white missionaries from Idaho would want black kids.

They need kids from every nation who will be raised and then sent to penetrate that society. Think of Avatar in the real world.

[ramana]

Last night BBC was saying that the foreign media in Port Au Prince was shocked at the judge pressing chargeson the ten accused! They thought atleast nine of the accused will be quietly allowed to board the waiting plane which is still there. The one remaing was the chief instigator and planner of the scam.

While on the subject anyone recall the role of the priest in Chennai who shipped of a girl and falsified her age while doing that?

[habal]

Philip:

Please update me on this as I haven't been following it closely. Usually the anglo saxon missionaries want to 'save souls' by converting, brainwashing, and showing how much superior Christianity is over pagan religions etc. But kinship with the blacks is furtherest on their minds. To that end, what is the motive behind trying to kidnap black kids? White kids from Eastern Europe, Russia etc; its a different story. I am puzzled as to why Lily white missionaries from Idaho would want black kids.

They need kids from every nation who will be raised and then sent to penetrate that society. Think of Avatar in the real world.

there is also another aspect. Like in Nithari, kids are used for human sacrifice in certain circles which believe that sacrificing a child can give immortality.
this is a popular belief in satanism, freemasonism.
some folks go to great lengths and use elaborate cover to get this done.

[sanjaychoudhry]

The same gameplan was in the pot for the lucky Iraqis,where an army of Christian soldiers were waiting to descend upon the hapless Iraqis and convert them.

America is the Saudi Arabia of the Christian world.

[Jarita]

^^^ Thats a good one. Can we quote you

[KLNMurthy]

Philip:

Please update me on this as I haven't been following it closely. Usually the anglo saxon missionaries want to 'save souls' by converting, brainwashing, and showing how much superior Christianity is over pagan religions etc. But kinship with the blacks is furtherest on their minds. To that end, what is the motive behind trying to kidnap black kids? White kids from Eastern Europe, Russia etc; its a different story. I am puzzled as to why Lily white missionaries from Idaho would want black kids.

Haiti though nominally catholic has a strong poytheistic tradition ("voodoo") which evangelicals consider devil-worship and it is one of their big obsessions to "save" haitian kids from it. Recall in this context Pat Robertson's remark that the quake is a punishment for haitians retaining their polytheistic traditions. Voodoo played a strong role in inspiring the fight of Haitians to become free of French rule & slavery in the 1700s.

[KLNMurthy]

Last night BBC was saying that the foreign media in Port Au Prince was shocked at the judge pressing chargeson the ten accused! They thought atleast nine of the accused will be quietly allowed to board the waiting plane which is still there. The one remaing was the chief instigator and planner of the scam.

While on the subject anyone recall the role of the priest in Chennai who shipped of a girl and falsified her age while doing that?

From hearing NPR interviews etc. I got the sense that Haitians are very proud of their polytheistic tradition and open religious environment and sensitive about Americans' trying to paint their religion as savage or devil-worship etc. That probably accounts for the strict action they are taking even under difficult circumstances.

[Rangudu]

CRS,

The motive of these "missionaries" seems to be an age old one - greed.

The woman who is leading this is known to be a scam artist and has piled up debt. She most likely was going to use these kids in an illegal adoption ring and make $$.

Given the time and approvals needed for legal adopting, there is a huge market in the US for illegal adoption of kids from poor countries.

BTW, some reports say that this scam was planned well before the earthquake...

[svinayak]

C
The woman who is leading this is known to be a scam artist and has piled up debt. She most likely was going to use these kids in an illegal adoption ring and make $$.

Given the time and approvals needed for legal adopting, there is a huge market in the US for illegal adoption of kids from poor countries.

BTW, some reports say that this scam was planned well before the earthquake...

In simple terms this is known as human trafficking

[sanjaychoudhry]

Abduction of children by missionaries is happening in India too.

Without knowledge of parents, he adopts schoolkids
A Brazilian missionary has been accused of religious conversion of schoolchildren by fraudulently means at Faridabad in Haryana. The affidavit submitted by Dimas De Souza, the founder-trustee of Comademat Charitable Trust, in a Delhi court clearly mentions that the children have been adopted by him, a fact which he had concealed from their parents. Further, De Souza got the minor girls belonging to poor families admitted to convent schools and showed himself as father of all the over a dozen children ‘adopted’ by him.

The parents of the children told The Pioneer that they were unaware of their children being adopted by the missionary. They, instead, said that the missionary had promised them to return their children after their studies (Class XII) in the best of schools in Faridabad. Records collected by the police reveal that all children were given Christian names; De Souza as their father and their permanent addresses have also been replaced with the address of the hostel run by the missionary.

The parents of two rescued girls, Anila and Soni, denied that they had agreed to give away their children for adoption. “He has not given me any document. However, he asked me to sign on some papers which were in English,” said Suresh Paswan, who resides in Mandi village and hails from Madhubani in Bihar. “They changed their hostel from Green Field Colony to Sector 21-D but did not inform us. His mobile phone is also switched off. We have to take the help of media and police to know whereabouts of our girls,” added Paswan. The girls were rescued on Tuesday last after police intervention.

http://info.faridabadmetro.com/2009/12/ ... y-in-dock/

Child traffickers from North-East set up base in Tamil Nadu
Hundreds of children from the northeastern states are being trafficked by well-networked groups, who have found a safe haven in Tamil Nadu.
The rescue of 76 malnourished children, from Manipur and Assam, from a home at Kuzhithurai in Kanyakumari district this week is only the tip of a vast network, which receives crores of rupees from churches and agencies abroad by showing a large number of children under their "care".

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 500852.cms

[abhishek_sharma]

FP's photo essay of child labor in India

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2 ... d_and_milk

[abhishek_sharma]

This is the price of friendship with US (or "kiss of death")

http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts ... ke_brigade

Richard Holbrooke, the special representative for the issue formerly known as Af-Pak will visit Georgia "shortly," with plans to finalize the deployment of Georgian troops to Afghanistan.

...

In Georgia, they are calling it the "Holbrooke Brigade," according to a source close to the Georgian government. The plan is for 750 Georgian troops to be deployed in Helmand province at the personal request of Gen. David Petraeus, the source said, who was impressed with their effectiveness along the Iranian border during operations in Iraq. According to the current plan, they will be under U.S. command and supplementing 350 Georgian troops already in country as part of the International Security Assistance Force.

It will be the largest per-capita contribution of any country in Afghanistan other than the U.S. One lingering question that the Georgians plan to raise with Holbrooke is whether the U.S. will offer them any military aid for the mission.

[Philip]

CRAMs,my experience with missionaries in India as a child,most of whom who were very Victorian in their outlook,generally had a simple agenda.Preach the gospel of Christ (Love God,love thy neighbour...) and serve in some form.The act of service/self-sacrifice,was an act of love towards fellow human beings.Therefore,hospitals,work with lepers,educational institutions were the manner in which they served both God and man.Most of these missionaries were from Europe.They generally led a spartan puritan lifestyle,eschewing glitz and glamour and worldly possessions.This generation of missionaries has virtually died out with many who chose to stay behind and die in India rather than return to their native lands.There was a distinct separation of state and soul in their doctrine.

You have to read some of the books on the emergence of the Bush dynasty and the Neo-cons to see that in another part of the world,another style of "Christian soldier" was being groomed for a global mission.These were styled more on the earlier "Peace Corps" ,but their agenda was very different.Here,the "Body-count" as in Vietnam was important.Souls could be bought,no problem with that! The emergence of Televangelism in N.America,with their millionaire televangelists who had air-conditioned dog kennels,spawned a new agressive fundamentalist ,popular "Christianity" that I personally feel even Christ might've found unconfortable with.Grabbing souls at any cost,using any means was the objective.Funding of Evangelical movements in countries where established "orthodox" Christianity already existed,was pursued,because such established sects could not be bent to follow orders.They were too independent of thought and to bring them under control was extremely difficult because they had over centuries and milennia,as in India,become indigenous Christian movements! The tale is often told how the Portugese were astonished to find an Indian Christian tradition in the Malabar Coast well established when they arrived and they reportedly destroyed most of the old records of the "Syrian Christians" in an attempt to supplant their Catholicism instead.

In other words,these new EJ groups were actually suspected of following orders from the sinister arm of the state.Thereby,vital decisions of the country targeted ,could be affected by converts/members of these groups who acted in concert-like an army,where decison making at every level of govt.,etc., could be influenced through members at the helm of sensitive posts.Iraq,Afghanistan,the tsunami and other disaster areas have seen the arrival of these entities in the aftermath of the event and the speed with which they arrived.I posted a little while ago how weapons in Afghanistan and Iraq were actually being "Christianised" with words from the Bible inscribed on them! The "Christianisation" of America's current wars is a real fact and the fundamentalists in the US have succeeded in penetrating the highest levels of decision making .What we are seeing in Haiti,the alleged abduction of "black"children,is literal physical "soul-capturing".There have been in recent years controversies about adoption agencies operating in Turd-world countries including India.This is not to say that all those adopting children have sinister motives,but child-trafficking-at least obtaining hug amounts from prospective parents ,using adoptions for mercenary purposes is one accusation in the past.

Haiti is not going to be the last incident (the Baptist "baby-snatchers") where the activities of the EJs and their tribe will not be at work.Just wait for the next disaster and the action replays!

[KaranR]

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quote="Philip"]CRAMs,my experience with missionaries in India as a child,most of whom who were very Victorian in their outlook,generally had a simple agenda.Preach the gospel of Christ (Love God,love thy neighbour...) and serve in some form.The act of service/self-sacrifice,was an act of love towards fellow human beings.Therefore,hospitals,work with lepers,educational institutions were the manner in which they served both God and man.Most of these missionaries were from Europe.They generally led a spartan puritan lifestyle,eschewing glitz and glamour and worldly possessions.This generation of missionaries has virtually died out with many who chose to stay behind and die in India rather than return to their native lands.There was a distinct separation of state and soul in their doctrine.

Separation of the State and religion and not soul.Soul always belonged to the Church.

The True Christianity died when Paul took over. The Pope slaughtered the Cathcart and other Jewish sects’ true follower of Christianity who were no different to Buddhist and Hindu monks.

It’s easy to open different institutions when you mange to robe the world and the country you wish to convert. Spartan life, [joke] but they could always retire to their wonderful houses and benefits of the imperialist ill-gotten gains. What Generation missionary are you talking about?

I suggest you read the coming of the British to India and the dirty work of these Victorians. As the African leader said, “They gave us the Bible and took our land.” In India they took more; their [Indian’s] dignity to make a living; and then open up missionary and show how generous they are. Do you know these people during the famine only gave food if the poor converted to Christianity? This was one of many causes or abuses that gave birth to 1857aggression against the British. Even today in India during the Tsunami some Christians’ only gave help if they converted.

Christianity is the tool of the west to dominate the world; like Islam is the tool for the Arabs. American took over where the European left.

The idea of the American’s Christians is; if they all converted to their ways of Christianity, there is less chance of war with America. India is the prime target.
Pious people don’t go-around breaking other people doors.

India is now number one in child sexual abuse by the white Christan's foreigners. These so called white Christians, open some centre in Indian to help the poor but really are sexually abusing the children. All with the help of the local politicians. This sexual perversion is named as the “Catholic disease”.
I salute the Haiti’s rulers in locking up these animals, sexual perverts, kidnappers and human trafficking.
Shame on Indian politicians and so called religious leaders who don’t have the guts to stop the Americans and other white’s people abusing their children.
PS:
Phillips
This is not meant be a personal on you.
Regards.
KiranA

[JE Menon]

Stick to thread topic people. No more child-snatching, EJ stuff on this thread.