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Re: India-US News and Discussion

Postby svinayak » 02 Jul 2009 09:40

http://guanabee.com/2009/06/the-fellows ... n-c-street

Yesterday during South Carolina Governor Mark Sanford’s bizarre press conference, he said that a group called, “C Street” has been counseling him and his wife on their marital problems. I.e. the fact that he’s having an affair with one Maria Belen Chapur (or Shapur depending on who you read) of Buenos Aires, Argentina. That name “C Street” also came up last week when Nevada Senator John Ensign confessed he was having an extra-marital affair. So, who is this group?

Turns out C Street refers to a four-story townhouse located on C Street in Washington, D.C. two blocks from the capital. It’s owned by C Street Center, a sister organization of The Fellowship, a non-partisan Christian group that sponsors the National Prayer Breakfast–anonymously. Indeed, despite having spent almost 1 million dollars on last year’s breakfast, The Fellowship was not listed on the invitation and most attendees continue to think the breakfast is sponsored by the President or Congress. Furthermore, The Fellowship very quietly rents $600 apartments–a steal in Washington, D.C.– to eight members of congress on C Street.

Everyone involved says there is no conflict of interest, but a further look into The Fellowship reveals a fascinating history of secret Christian policy making dating back to the 1940’s when Methodist evangelist Abraham Vereide brought the prayer group idea to Washington, D.C. from Seattle for fear that Socialists were ruining America. What follows is but a sliver of their amazing record of influence over former Presidents and dictators from across the globe and even pop musician Michael Jackson:

The amount of financial pull The Fellowship holds over our nation’s policy makers raises serious concerns about their ability to do their jobs without letting their religious affiliations get in the way. When you compound that with the fact that many of these guys, (Samford, Ensign, Durenberger to name a few), are not even living up to the morals they are secretly imposing on their ignorant constituency, we are left with a lot more questions than answers. Like, should the separation of church and state, a principle derived from the First Amendment of the Constitution of the United States, deny politicians the right to accept housing from a religious group?


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Re: India-US News and Discussion

Postby csharma » 02 Jul 2009 13:08

Acharya wrote:http://guanabee.com/2009/06/the-fellowship-governor-mark-sanfords-secretive-christian-landlords-on-c-street

Yesterday during South Carolina Governor Mark Sanford’s bizarre press conference, he said that a group called, “C Street” has been counseling him and his wife on their marital problems. I.e. the fact that he’s having an affair with one Maria Belen Chapur (or Shapur depending on who you read) of Buenos Aires, Argentina. That name “C Street” also came up last week when Nevada Senator John Ensign confessed he was having an extra-marital affair. So, who is this group?

Turns out C Street refers to a four-story townhouse located on C Street in Washington, D.C. two blocks from the capital. It’s owned by C Street Center, a sister organization of The Fellowship, a non-partisan Christian group that sponsors the National Prayer Breakfast–anonymously. Indeed, despite having spent almost 1 million dollars on last year’s breakfast, The Fellowship was not listed on the invitation and most attendees continue to think the breakfast is sponsored by the President or Congress. Furthermore, The Fellowship very quietly rents $600 apartments–a steal in Washington, D.C.– to eight members of congress on C Street.

Everyone involved says there is no conflict of interest, but a further look into The Fellowship reveals a fascinating history of secret Christian policy making dating back to the 1940’s when Methodist evangelist Abraham Vereide brought the prayer group idea to Washington, D.C. from Seattle for fear that Socialists were ruining America. What follows is but a sliver of their amazing record of influence over former Presidents and dictators from across the globe and even pop musician Michael Jackson:

The amount of financial pull The Fellowship holds over our nation’s policy makers raises serious concerns about their ability to do their jobs without letting their religious affiliations get in the way. When you compound that with the fact that many of these guys, (Samford, Ensign, Durenberger to name a few), are not even living up to the morals they are secretly imposing on their ignorant constituency, we are left with a lot more questions than answers. Like, should the separation of church and state, a principle derived from the First Amendment of the Constitution of the United States, deny politicians the right to accept housing from a religious group?




The same thing was mentioned in NPR today who wrote a book on the influential christian fundamentalist church called the Family. Apparently these guys are very well connected and they even have a Buddhism demonisation day and Hinduism demonisation day.

http://www.amazon.com/Family-Secret-Fun ... 0060559799

Checking in on a friend's brother at Ivenwald, a Washington-based fundamentalist group living communally in Arlington, Va., religion and journalism scholar Sharlet finds a sect whose members refer to Manhattan's Ground Zero as "the ruins of secularism"; intrigued, Sharlet accepts on a whim an invitation to stay at Ivenwald. He's shocked to find himself in the stronghold of a widespread "invisible" network, organized into cells much like Ivenwald, and populated by elite, politically ambitious fundamentalists; Sharlet is present when a leader tells a dozen men living there, "You guys are here to learn how to rule the world." As it turns out, the Family was established in 1935 to oppose FDR's New Deal and the spread of trade unions; since then, it has organized well-attended weekly prayer meetings for members of Congress and annual National Prayer Breakfasts attended by every president since Eisenhower. Further, the Family's international reach ("almost impossible to overstate") has "forged relationships between the U.S. government and some of the most oppressive regimes in the world." In the years since his first encounter, Sharlet has done extensive research, and his thorough account of the Family's life and times is a chilling expose.

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Re: India-US News and Discussion

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http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Opin ... 725194.cms

Based on what Brahma Chellaney writes, I wonder if it makes sense for India to give any large military deals like MRCA to US.

What the US seems to be doing is squeezing India strategically while expecting full economic benefits in terms of military deals, nuclear reactors etc.

Based on what people are writing, people like Blackwill, Sumit Ganguly, Brahma Chellaney, B Raman, it appears that India should not expect anything from this administration. What they will get is a few speeches here and there and then be expected to give big ticket economic deals to the US. Yesterday there was some low level functionary saying that IS is not neglecting India and that was reported in Rediff.

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Re: India-US News and Discussion

Postby rkirankr » 02 Jul 2009 14:47

Just a thought. Gurus here please pardon the mistakes if any.

What would happen if India conducts all its trade with SAARC(forget pakis), south east asia and china in currencies other than dollars(i,.e, if they are not doing it already).
It seems the entire world is financing US through the dollar. All the effort which US puts is print the dollars.

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Re: India-US News and Discussion

Postby ashish raval » 02 Jul 2009 15:12

I strongly believe that US was/is not in favour of super-power India. US knows that India has/had lot of Russian friends in ministry partly because of fact that India was strongly pro-Russia during cold-war. It will take another 10-15 years to infiltrate the ministry with pro-US thinkers/planners. However, in long run US will align its interest with that of India not because of its new find love, it will be because of economic compulsion and market for their products in India. Remember strong India is good for US civil aviation, nuclear, defense and technology industry. Right now Indian market is of little/no interest to them. Democrats/Republicans are two sides of same coin. They reason India is annoyed partly because of fact that Democrats are hell bent on undoing everything that Bush had done in the past in terms of foreign policy initiatives and in doing so I fear that US-India relations will go downhill if India does not take crap what US throws at them which will surely be the case. In this light, I strongly feel that India should cut US to its size and strongly avoid any kind of uttering, let alone talk on Kashmir because it is the issue that US wants to keep alive and squeeze India diplomatically in future. If there is any mention of Kashmir, we should bluntly tell in front of media that it is a bilateral issue to be solve between India and Pakis.

I strongly believe that Obama will do everything he can to reduce its dependence on China/India in terms of manufacturing and service industry respectively. It is very critical time for planners/thinkers in India because it is on growth tragectory and any mis-directed steps will severely dent India's growth trajectory which is what China is actively looking for. India needs massive investment in manufacturing, education, infrastructure and hi-tech goods manufacturing as much as tune of 250 billion dollars inorder to raise the stature of India to a level where it will be taken seriously on international front. Otherwise, we should sit back and relax uner developing nation tag for next 50 years atleast.

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Re: India-US News and Discussion

Postby ashish raval » 02 Jul 2009 15:15

rkirankr wrote:Just a thought. Gurus here please pardon the mistakes if any.

What would happen if India conducts all its trade with SAARC(forget pakis), south east asia and china in currencies other than dollars(i,.e, if they are not doing it already).
It seems the entire world is financing US through the dollar. All the effort which US puts is print the dollars.



A simple way to reduce the dependence is barter trade. You give me 10 apples, I give you 10 banana's.

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Re: India-US News and Discussion

Postby vina » 02 Jul 2009 16:45

What if the other party does not want bananas , but something that you possible don't have, like kiwi ,say?

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Re: India-US News and Discussion

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csharma wrote:http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Opinion/Editorial/TOP-ARTICLE--Courting-The-Dragon/articleshow/4725194.cms

Based on what Brahma Chellaney writes, I wonder if it makes sense for India to give any large military deals like MRCA to US.

What the US seems to be doing is squeezing India strategically while expecting full economic benefits in terms of military deals, nuclear reactors etc.

Based on what people are writing, people like Blackwill, Sumit Ganguly, Brahma Chellaney, B Raman, it appears that India should not expect anything from this administration. What they will get is a few speeches here and there and then be expected to give big ticket economic deals to the US. Yesterday there was some low level functionary saying that IS is not neglecting India and that was reported in Rediff.


Said this long back, it is time India improved. Instead of depending on other countries. Too much reliance on externalities and very little internal development.

Buy the MRCA only if it suites India, not as a political tool, etc.

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Re: India-US News and Discussion

Postby ashish raval » 02 Jul 2009 16:58

vina wrote:What if the other party does not want bananas , but something that you possible don't have, like kiwi ,say?

Then they do trade with kiwi producing nation. Alternatively, we can offer bananas to kiwi producing nation get kiwis in return and buy apples.

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Re: India-US News and Discussion

Postby ashish raval » 02 Jul 2009 17:04

NRao, everyone believes that there is no alternative to being self-dependent prime example of which is France and Germany and partly Russia. But what can we do when despite having money national leadership do not have will or we are not producing world class scientific project managers as west does.

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Re: India-US News and Discussion

Postby Vinod Ji » 02 Jul 2009 18:07

ashish raval wrote:
A simple way to reduce the dependence is barter trade. You give me 10 apples, I give you 10 banana's.


BTW Currency is a via media for barter trade..Catch word here is CURRENCY "International trade is nothing but barter anyway""!!

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Re: India-US News and Discussion

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Vinod Ji wrote:
ashish raval wrote:
A simple way to reduce the dependence is barter trade. You give me 10 apples, I give you 10 banana's.


BTW Currency is a via media for barter trade..Catch word here is CURRENCY "International trade is nothing but barter anyway""!!



Yes it is true in a way but that currency need not to be US Dollar's. The problem is International bourses which usually trades in US Dollars and hence US keeps on printing money in return of gas, goods etc while others keep on feeding them in return of computer chips, $$'s and Jumbo-Jets.

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Postby Jamal K. Malik » 02 Jul 2009 20:33

India a significant actor on international stage: US
http://www.ddinews.gov.in/Homepage/Homepage+-+Other+Stories/IND.htm
The Obama Administration believes that India is an important and significant actor on the international stage and it would like New Delhi to play a greater role at the regional and global level.

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Re: India-US News and Discussion

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Jamal K. Malik wrote:India a significant actor on international stage: US
http://www.ddinews.gov.in/Homepage/Homepage+-+Other+Stories/IND.htm
The Obama Administration believes that India is an important and significant actor on the international stage and it would like New Delhi to play a greater role at the regional and global level.

Indian leaders are satisfied with just sweet talk and flattery. That is all they need to pacify Indian elite and get what they want

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Re: India-US News and Discussion

Postby ashish raval » 02 Jul 2009 21:47

^^ very tersely and precisely put Acharya.

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Re: India-US News and Discussion

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Acharya wrote:Indian leaders are satisfied with just sweet talk and flattery. That is all they need to pacify Indian elite and get what they want


so are paki leaders. after all we are genetically same only.

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Re: India-US News and Discussion

Postby CRamS » 02 Jul 2009 23:38

ashish raval wrote:^^ very tersely and precisely put Acharya.


Makes me throw up that India would even pay attention to that kind of trash talk.

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Re: India-US News and Discussion

Postby Prem » 03 Jul 2009 00:57

CRamS wrote:
ashish raval wrote:^^ very tersely and precisely put Acharya.


Makes me throw up that India would even pay attention to that kind of trash talk.


Hope Indian leeders note the contempt they are being held in by Uncle. Is there real need for Hillary to visit Dilli?

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Re: India-US News and Discussion

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I strongly believe that US was/is not in favour of super-power India.


No great power is in favor of the rise of peer competitors. Throughout history, they have acted to impede this. The British did much mischief against the US. It was only after the US Civil war that they reconciled themselves to US power.

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Re: India-US News and Discussion

Postby Vinod Ji » 03 Jul 2009 02:57

ULTIMATE OPTIMIST " one day one prime minister within this century will reply to an invitation of the white house that his sister's son's brother in laws's family is going to picnic and he is invited there hence he expects white house to understand and be sensitive to his priorities"

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Re: India-US News and Discussion

Postby Rony » 03 Jul 2009 10:30

White House to have India Desk at National Security Council
Implementing the commitment of US President Barack Obama to deepen Indo-US strategic ties, the White House has carved out a separate India Desk at its National Security Council (NSC).

India is only the second country after Russia to be handled separately by a Senior Director at the National Security Council, thus indicating the significance being attached to New Delhi by the Obama Administration, which is keen to take the ties between the two nations to a new level.

"We have recently done a slight restructuring of the National Security Council whereby Donald Camp has been appointed to be the Senior Director exclusively for India, because we want to put focus on that relationship," NSC spokesman Mike Hammer said.

"This is rather unusual," he added.

"It reflects our commitment to try and develop a strategic partnership that is going to be in the interest of both countries. That simply reflects our commitment and interests in strengthening what we already feel is a good relationship that can be furthered deepened," Hammer said.

The spokesman said Russia is the only other country which has an exclusive Senior Director at the NSC. "That is the only other example we have," he added.

"This is coming out of the President's interest based on a very good relationship he is developing with Prime Minister (Manmohan) Singh. And of course, the President very much looks forward to welcome him at the White House in the Fall," Hammer said.

On behalf of Obama, National Security Advisor General James Jones had invited Singh to visit White House this fall; which has been accepted by the Prime Minister. This visit is separate from that of the September visit of the Prime Minister to attend the G-20 Summit in Pittsburg.


Russia - American Rival

India - ?

And where is China, the 'Strategic rival' of America, or so say the western experts and the gullible Indian imitators ! Or is it all just hog wash ?

The DDM reporter thinks this is a signal of american 'commitment' to India. No wonder a section of Indians consider slumdog millionaire as arrival of India on international scene !

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Re: India-US News and Discussion

Postby csharma » 03 Jul 2009 10:48

What is this India desk business to show that India is important? If India is important to US why did Hillary Clinton not visit India on her first trip to Asia even though policy planning staff recommended it.

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Re: India-US News and Discussion

Postby harbans » 03 Jul 2009 15:46

When dealing with Americans..Indian bureacrats must see this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxmccYBXJLg

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Re: India-US News and Discussion

Postby bala » 03 Jul 2009 21:33

I recently watched CNN's coverage of Afghan/TSP US Army operations. The marines are apparently targeting Helmand area. Maps show clean demarcation lines between Afghanistan, Pakistan and Iran. However what is disturbing and must be protested is that Kashmir is shown in dark hatched marks divided into three pieces. The J&K portion of India is also in such shadings. The US is fighting a lawless Afghan / TSP where borders are ignored. The only dispute is the portion of K that TSP and China are holding. J&K is a democratically elected state government. Boo to CNN.

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Re: India-US News and Discussion

Postby harbans » 03 Jul 2009 21:54

However what is disturbing and must be protested is that Kashmir is shown in dark hatched marks divided into three pieces. The J&K portion of India is also in such shadings.

I have been saying this for years: Make Kashi, Mansarover, Kailash, Lahore, Haripur, Swat, Tibet disputed. Claim it. CNN and Western media have been showing Arunachal also in dotted separate lines if you noticed. Even Google Earth. Try it.

This is becoming a joke. Every tom dick and harry neighbour claiming something from India. India South Block should make a statement that China's credibility on Tibet being a part of China is being studied.. for starters (put in 2 profs with some standing who are not leftist) and you'll get a few months laer a good technical and analytical analysis wy China's claim to Tibet is so mediocre it pales into insignificance with India's historical, linguistic and traditional linkage to Tibet as opposed to Han China's. Fa Hseins quote to boot 4th Cenury AD: "travelling through the high mountains of Tibet..i encountered just around 1000 men, all practising the religion of India" (not exact, as from memory) Thats the famed Chinese traveller who came into India via Tibet..1700 years ago. Aahh then why should India forget Mansarover and Kailash. Just a few lame military excursions deep inside and back should do the CNN/ BBC dot dot mapped disputed territory trick. Let people know and talk about it in the world media. India claims Kailash, Mansarover...We seriously deserve more agressive and determined and strategically aware leadership.

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Re: India-US News and Discussion

Postby SwamyG » 03 Jul 2009 22:02

Acharya wrote:Indian leaders are satisfied with just sweet talk and flattery. That is all they need to pacify Indian elite and get what they want

It is because....
  • They have comprehension difficulties.
  • They are very naive - possibly the variety that thinks all that glitters is gold.
  • Do not have a healthy skepticism.
  • They pretend they are fools, there by fooling others to falsely think they (indian leaders) are fools.
  • Have huge egos that need to be only stroked.
  • Do not have any strategic thinking.
  • Do not have vision/goals for India.
  • Do not expect and demand more.

Probably there are some more that can be added to the list.

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Re: India-US News and Discussion

Postby NRao » 05 Jul 2009 03:29

India Joins Russia, China in Questioning U.S. Dollar Dominance

Dollar's Days of Dominance Dead

While it may not constitute the final “nail in the coffin”, India commemorated the 4th of July by joining China and Russia in announcing they were seeking “alternatives” to the U.S. dollar (as “reserve currency”). With yet one more “prop” removed from the gangrenous greenback, this left only the submissive Japanese as the last major holder of U.S. dollars who strongly supports its continued status.

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Re: India-US News and Discussion

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NRao wrote:India Joins Russia, China in Questioning U.S. Dollar Dominance

Dollar's Days of Dominance Dead

While it may not constitute the final “nail in the coffin”, India commemorated the 4th of July by joining China and Russia in announcing they were seeking “alternatives” to the U.S. dollar (as “reserve currency”). With yet one more “prop” removed from the gangrenous greenback, this left only the submissive Japanese as the last major holder of U.S. dollars who strongly supports its continued status.


So what BO was offering on sidelines was just that? Both Brazil and India have refused. And Russia just got the military supplies route to AfPak.

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Re: India-US News and Discussion

Postby Chinmayanand » 05 Jul 2009 07:39

If China is so worried about Dollar's worthlessness , why does it continue buying US treasuries? China is free to diversify into any currency , it wants or it can buy gold or commodities.Why all this non-sensical hupla dupla ? China owns about 700 billions of treasuries that Fed, Japan and oil sheikhdoms will buy anytime from China.After selling it , China will have no levergae over US.
If dollar is worthless, others are worse.Dollar is world's reserve currency because US military might is unchallenged.If China can beat it down, Yuan may take its place.
Chinese are just farting with their mouth. :P

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Re: India-US News and Discussion

Postby Manny » 05 Jul 2009 09:00

Obama's 1983 College Magazine Article

http://documents.nytimes.com/obama-s-19 ... rticle#p=1

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Re: India-US News and Discussion

Postby bart » 05 Jul 2009 12:40

Jobs Report: A Blow to Optimism
http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnf ... 670329.htm

The article does not mention India even once. Yet check out the comments section:
http://app.businessweek.com/UserComment ... tCode=spec
Virtually every single one of the 200+ comments are bashing India. Much more jobs are lost to China, Latin America, Japan, and EU than to India, but India seems to be a kosher target.

Also there seems to be a bunch of posters with no work, just posting dozens of comments all day against India. Many of them are just throwing racist insults, or peddling made-up facts or illogical arguments. A few are quite articulate and have a genuine point. Most of them just seem to be rednecks who can barely spell properly or sustain a civilized debate. Also from the grammar and sentence structure of some of the posts the authors seem to be Chinese or Pakistani.

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Re: India-US News and Discussion

Postby harbans » 05 Jul 2009 13:15

^^This one's gotta be a paki..madrassa mah writen all over it: :mrgreen:

Indian Growth Jul 4, 2009 8:10 PM GMT India's economy is currently $1 trilion. USA's is $14 trillion. Even at the unsustainable growth rate of 10%, in 10 years, India's economy will only be $1.1 trillion. That means it will take over 140 years at 10% growth every year for India to catch up to USA. India will be the biggest economy in 10-20 years? Keep dreaming.

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Re: India-US News and Discussion

Postby bart » 05 Jul 2009 14:47

^^^Or he might be a redneck, for whom the 10% of 1 trillion simple interest calculation itself was a huge achievement. The average Paki and the Cleetus type folks have a lot in common - blind adherence to religion, inbreeding, guns and lawlessness, and propensity to believe in all kinds of crap from Jinns to UFOs to televangelists/jihadis and conspiracy theories of Jews controlling the world.

One more fun article:

Advantage, India: Are Indian CEOs Better than U.S. Execs?
http://www.businessweek.com/globalbiz/c ... 158349.htm
Its not written in an inflammatory manner and not demeaning in any way to US managers, any sensible person would find it interesting as a comparison between management cultures.

Nice comment that has Paki written all over it.
jcage Jul 4, 2009 10:13 PM GMT Most of the articles about India are usually written by Indian and specially the one praising India superiority! Talking about Bias and lack of objectivity! I can believe that BusinessWeek would allow this type of RSS and BJP propaganda passing for objective news!
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But I hope there are a lot more folks like the below, as then competing with them will be like shooting fish in a bowl:

Kiddinge me? Jul 3, 2009 8:44 AM GMT The reason that many American companies are failing in part relying on Indians. So they cannot compete with European and Far Eastern companies run by themeselves. Outsourcing management to Indians may be a critical reason for the falls.
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Dave Jul 3, 2009 6:51 PM GMT Sorry to say this but having been to India, we (Americans) should not fear them as in the end, they are a rather noisy and dirty democracy that will take generations to even be at the level we are. God bless the USA!


And despite the recession and collapse of the American economy, this guy cant get shafted enough by his high quality yum bee ayes:
Quite Comical Jul 4, 2009 6:37 PM GMT LMAO. 3rd world, quasi-failed states producing CEO that are better than Yale educated MBA execs....can't stop laughing

:rotfl:

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Re: India-US News and Discussion

Postby Manny » 05 Jul 2009 18:44

bart wrote:Jobs Report: A Blow to Optimism
http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnf ... 670329.htm

The article does not mention India even once. Yet check out the comments section:
http://app.businessweek.com/UserComment ... tCode=spec
Virtually every single one of the 200+ comments are bashing India. Much more jobs are lost to China, Latin America, Japan, and EU than to India, but India seems to be a kosher target.

Also there seems to be a bunch of posters with no work, just posting dozens of comments all day against India. Many of them are just throwing racist insults, or peddling made-up facts or illogical arguments. A few are quite articulate and have a genuine point. Most of them just seem to be rednecks who can barely spell properly or sustain a civilized debate. Also from the grammar and sentence structure of some of the posts the authors seem to be Chinese or Pakistani.


I can't blame them for their frustration. H1-B Visa and L1 Visas are being abused left right and center. Most oft quoted reason,. Can't find qualified people here to do the same job? Are you kidding me? Maybe they can't find the workers to work for more than 8 hrs a day and get paid only for 8 hrs. But don't say they can't find qualified workers here.

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Re: India-US News and Discussion

Postby Baljeet » 05 Jul 2009 19:40

SwamyG wrote:
Acharya wrote:Indian leaders are satisfied with just sweet talk and flattery. That is all they need to pacify Indian elite and get what they want

It is because....
  • They have comprehension difficulties.
  • They are very naive - possibly the variety that thinks all that glitters is gold.
  • Do not have a healthy skepticism.
  • They pretend they are fools, there by fooling others to falsely think they (indian leaders) are fools.
  • Have huge egos that need to be only stroked.
  • Do not have any strategic thinking.
  • Do not have vision/goals for India.
  • Do not expect and demand more.

Probably there are some more that can be added to the list.


[*] Almost all of these leaders were born before Independence, they still believe only Goras have the ability, wherewithal, wisdom, strength to be leaders. Their self esteem is lower than slumdog, so licking boots of Goras is their salvation
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Re: India-US News and Discussion

Postby bart » 05 Jul 2009 19:51

Manny wrote:
I can't blame them for their frustration. H1-B Visa and L1 Visas are being abused left right and center. Most oft quoted reason,. Can't find qualified people here to do the same job? Are you kidding me? Maybe they can't find the workers to work for more than 8 hrs a day and get paid only for 8 hrs. But don't say they can't find qualified workers here.



Have you read the comments? Most of those guys have a tenuous grasp of grammar and spelling and are barely coherent over the incessant childish insults. I would be surprised if too many of them are skilled IT workers.

There may be *some* visa abuse going on, but that pales in to comparison with the laws and ethics the American companies, citizens and govt flout the world over.

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Re: India-US News and Discussion

Postby suryag » 05 Jul 2009 22:23

bart wrote:^^^Or he might be a redneck, ...

Nice comment that has Paki written all over it.
jcage Jul 4, 2009 10:13 PM GMT Most of the articles about India are usually written by Indian and specially the one praising India superiority! Talking about Bias and lack of objectivity! I can believe that BusinessWeek would allow this type of RSS and BJP propaganda passing for objective news!
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jcage Jul 5, 2009 5:06 PM GMT Yes Singh! All the troll in BusinessWeek are Pakistani and Chinese while all the India poster are well spoken and pristine bloke! Typical Indian nationalist mentality that can not see their own fault and only see fault in others! It is always somebody fault for their own problem. Now it is the Chinese and Pakistani that are passing for Indian! I guess that Indian posters are well behave all the times in the many internet forum and posting well researched response! NOT! Now your statement that "Indians don't gloat over NRI CEO's." Oh really! I would not surprised if Hindu Nationalist forum would be gloating over it the whole times while spending incredible amount in time in attacking UK, USA, China, Australia, etc for real or imaginary "afront"!

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Re: India-US News and Discussion

Postby harbans » 05 Jul 2009 22:45

Bart ji..Singh is yours truly :) JCage was a poster here BTW. And his Paki avatar is following proceedings here i guess. Prodded him further.
Paki's are really.....................Paki. :mrgreen:


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