tejas wrote:I am actually from Andhra and don't understand Hindi.
How many members are from Andhra in BRF ?
brihaspati wrote:Ah! pity we have to run this dhaga on China by bashing the British and their Pakifications - all in English!
Karna_A wrote:(a) India with its 17 major languages would never have been united, but for British language and governance system, as it was impossible for all 500+ Kings to agree on one system and one language.
surinder wrote:Before crediting the British for giving unity, we need to look how the vast Maratha kingdom could flourish with so many languages? Until the British had to liquidate this empire by wars, it functioned with multiple languages.
The Sikh kingdom, though smaller & less diverse, also worked with multiple languages. It could attract military talent from places as far away as gangetic planes, central India & also in minute quantities from Europe & US.
If there is a strong core of the nation, the language used by that core can be the lingua franca of the country. That is what happened with Mughals who ruled using Farsi over an empire as big as the British. This is what happened with the Sikhs & Marathas. Language is an issue when the core/center is weak & non-existent.
A senior defence ministry official here said one of the reasons for not holding the drill this year was the austerity drive of the Centre. “It costs a lot of money to requisition an Indian Air Force aircraft and fly the soldiers to Kunming with all their equipment and sustain them,” he said.
tejas wrote:Ramana garu, if I thought it would make one iota of a difference I would gladly write to the editor. However it will not. After China-Pakistan, I despise the UQ more than any other country on this planet. I cannot recall in the history of intelligent life on this planet, another instance when so few people were responsible for so much misery across the globe.
I buy nothing British and will never step foot in that country. The EIF clause of the shitty bitty was promulgated by our Chinese blothers and none other than the UQ. They can't stand the thought of SDREs having their own nukes while both their nukes and SLBMs are made in the USA. While people on this forum were cheering, I was fuming when the IAF bought the Hawk from Bae. Anyway sorry for the off topic rant.
Seems a bit strange that you hold such strong anti-British sentiments due to the harm they have caused India in the past yet you have no problem living in the USA, a country who through their support of Pakistan since 1947 has caused India far more damage than the UK during this period. How about a boycott of the USA too?
Karna_A wrote:brihaspati wrote:Ah! pity we have to run this dhaga on China by bashing the British and their Pakifications - all in English!
But there are lot of positives as well:
(a) India with its 17 major languages would never have been united, but for British language and governance system, as it was impossible for all 500+ Kings to agree on one system and one language.
(b) The civil service system as Merit before British was not the main criteria, and caste/religion/region had the upper hand. Of course some Kingdoms were exception.
(c) English Language as Telugus, Tamils, Malayalis, Marathis, Kannadigas, Bengalis and Punjabis could speak with the Gangetic plains India in a common language.
RayC wrote:It is the Hindi wallahs who have cause the rot! It is time to search for the naughty elves within and not blame others!
Sanku wrote:RayC wrote:It is the Hindi wallahs who have cause the rot! It is time to search for the naughty elves within and not blame others!
No RayC that is not correct at all, this is OT for the thread so I will just say that I have had this discussion with some south Indian language speakers as before where they make the same claim and go on to say that it is all because of discrimination to them that the entire north gangs up against them because after all whats the big difference between Hindi and Punjabi and Bengali and Gujrati after all.
The whole thing is a conspiracy to keep their special language down.
The damage that the British have done is precisely this, the fact that all Indians (repeat ALL INDIANS) consider themselves a special intrests group that other Indians are out to get and have lost the prior pre-British era of common Indian link languages and ALL learned Indians being aware of more than one link language.
Certainly English is a good language to learn and no one is saying its not, but when Indians need to chasten an Indian link language and other Indians in order to support English and show such marked reluctance to a Indian link language as opposed to firangi language (yes its a firangi language, sorry) we know that the damage is done.
With all due respect your post to me is just another symptom of exactly the same problem that I see with English and with the lack of Indian linguistic unity which was damaged by the Invasion.
Yes I know the counter argument is that English is the new Indian language, I dont buy it though
PS> I will appreciate if you will continue this discussion in Nukkad or some other thread (not here) and just post a link here so we can got there.
What’s the big difference between Hindi and Punjabi and Bengali and Gujrati after all. :?
It is so evident that you don’t understand languages. There is just one small difference – they don’t understand each other! Of course, one thing is common – it makes a big circus!!
Thank you for your advice, I don’t visit Nukkad. Not my cup of tea. Too puerile! If you would have heeded your own advice of Nukkad, you would posted your post there and not have me giving you the rejoinder.
Karna_A wrote:The Maratha Kingdom was a loose federation something like Soviet Union is today. But it was also the one of the worst periods in Indian history due to the Pindaris:
All the differernt rulers like Mughals/Sikh were ethnic based and a King could only come from the same ethnic background. So all these rulers tended to mistreat minorities.
Acharya wrote:At least three large kingdom/empires would have been formed from 1700-1890. THey would be in the same stage/development as the Russian empire in 1900.
Brihaspati wrote:The British interrupted the reconquista that was going on. It was Islamic disruption that broke up linguistic commonality - evident in the primary north-south divide. It was disruption of unity that broke up language and religion. Not diversity in language and religion that broke up unity.They realize that political and military disruption leads to linguistic and faith diversity.
Surinder wrote:If there is a strong core of the nation, the language used by that core can be the lingua franca of the country. That is what happened with Mughals who ruled using Farsi over an empire as big as the British. This is what happened with the Sikhs & Marathas. Language is an issue when the core/center is weak & non-existent.
It’s the season of China-bashing in India. In bad old socialist days, the ruling party in India was quick to conjure up the “foreign hand” to distract public attention from a host of domestic crises. Now, it’s the turn of market-driven media to manufacture “external threats” to spike their TRP ratings.
But blaming the “testosterone-driven” media for sexing up the spectre of China threat, as top officials and the army chief have done, is only part of the story. It’s easy to scoff at “conspiracy theorists,” but paranoia is sometimes an act of good citizenship. Instead of discrediting the media, it’s important to understand why the China threat story sells in the overheated media marketplace in India.
Hah, at the beginning - wasn't it Burkha Apa and Co., sexing it up - thats a grave aspersion to the female gender dominated NDTV!“testosterone-driven” media for sexing up the spectre of China threat
Sanku wrote:As Harbans pointed out English was almost chosen so that India could piggy back on the existing knowledge in the dominant western world, since the Brits etc had destroyed our own and left us far behind.
Hari Seldon wrote:Good point and while at it, why not give up the yingliss language and shirts-trousers as well? Why not fight against the entire world because someone somewhere must've hurt yindia someplace, no?
RayC wrote:English is the international link language and it allows a whole lot of people of India to emigrate and gets jobs beyond the Indian frontiers. It relieves the burden on the Indian govt to provide employment. Is that a bad thing?
brihaspati wrote:On my very first lunch when I first visited an Eng-uni I was asked "innocently" "oh you speak English so fluently. Did you learn it here?" pat was the reply "oh no I learnt it in India, I have actually been forced to forget and lose a large bit here" the persons' face darkened immediately.
surinder wrote:Sanku wrote:As Harbans pointed out English was almost chosen so that India could piggy back on the existing knowledge in the dominant western world, since the Brits etc had destroyed our own and left us far behind.
Chosen by who? Lord Bentick? Thomas Babington McCaulay?
Not everyone in Beijing speaks in the silky language of the foreign ministry. Thursday’s parade is certain to provoke an outpouring of virulent nationalism. Curiously, the enemy most often spoken of is India. The censors permit alarmingly frank discussion on the internet of the merits of a war against India to secure the Tibetan plateau. “Help the Maoists take over power in India to pay them back for hosting the Dalai Lama,” said one contributor.
Gerard wrote:China reaches out on 60th anniversary
Nervous other powers are encouraging the Chinese to become “responsible stakeholders” in the international system that Mao once sought to overturn. “Nobody wants to repeat what happened when imperial Germany and Japan emerged on the world stage a century ago,” said a British diplomat with long experience of negotiating with the Chinese.
Speaking last week at the UN, the Chinese president committed to stop the spread of nuclear weapons, saying “all countries should strictly comply with non-proliferation obligations, refrain from double standards and tighten and improve export controls”.
Western diplomats find the new tone encouraging, coming from a country that gave the designs for its own atomic bomb to Pakistan in a cold-blooded move to weaken their joint rival, India.
The censors permit alarmingly frank discussion on the internet of the merits of a war against India to secure the Tibetan plateau.
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